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post #211 of 1583
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Originally Posted by Spearmint View Post

I’ve just taken a leap of faith and ordered a ST-1000. Looking forward to hearing how this amp performs in my system.

My system is a combined 2ch/ HT setup and is still using a 7ch A/B amp for the centre and surrounds, the ST-1000 is for the mains. It’ll be interesting how it mates with my Moon P5 pre.

Hi Spearmint,

I almost order the same amplifier a few weeks ago but held back in the end. Very much looking forward to your review and just a quick note, this ICE Power amp will need >250-300 hundred hours to show its true sonic character. Hang in there if the initial impression is underwhelming.


jasper
post #212 of 1583
thats alot of hours , am im an impatient person. How can we speed up that process? Leave it powered on 24 hours a day for 12.5 days ? Or does it have to be on at normal listening levels?
post #213 of 1583
Hi :-)

I have the 7 x 500W Wyred4Sound and found that after 2 couple of hours it was sounding very good indeed. It may well have gradually improved more after that.. But its was way good enough then to be really impressive... So it may well get subtly better over a few hundred hours.. But that's just good news if it has (I am not fussy enough to tell).

I have noticed that if it is left on it is slightly nicer sounding than when first turned on from cold. But this is just for a few minutes.. So Iam debating whether to turn the trigger off and leave it on idle. Proably would if I did more stero critical listenning...

Geoff
post #214 of 1583
It's draw is relatively small to leave on 24/7 (less than most plasma's when left on), so you won't be wasting a lot of money.
post #215 of 1583
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Originally Posted by JasperT View Post

Hi Spearmint,

I almost order the same amplifier a few weeks ago but held back in the end. Very much looking forward to your review and just a quick note, this ICE Power amp will need >250-300 hundred hours to show its true sonic character. Hang in there if the initial impression is underwhelming.


jasper

Hey Jasper,

I checked the tracking and see the amp is already in the country. I'll probably leave it for a week before doing any critical listening, but will leave the Sonos to keep things ticking over in the mean time. With any luck I may get the amp Today, if not early next week, still excellent service IMO.
post #216 of 1583
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Originally Posted by Geoff Costello View Post

Hi :-)

I have the 7 x 500W Wyred4Sound and found that after 2 couple of hours it was sounding very good indeed. It may well have gradually improved more after that.. But its was way good enough then to be really impressive... So it may well get subtly better over a few hundred hours.. But that's just good news if it has (I am not fussy enough to tell).

I have noticed that if it is left on it is slightly nicer sounding than when first turned on from cold. But this is just for a few minutes.. So Iam debating whether to turn the trigger off and leave it on idle. Proably would if I did more stero critical listenning...

Geoff

Are you still happy with the performance and sound of the amp Geoff?

Two hours is not too bad, I'm sure I can find things to do like check the forums for that period of time. Then at least I'll be able to get some idea of how the amp is going to perform in my system.
post #217 of 1583
Hey Spearmint :-)

I'm glad you were brave... I'll be interested in your feedback.

Yes I am still very happy with the amp.. I could not ask for a better amp in my situaiton. I would recommend it to anyone.

The serfvice and delivery from Wyred to Australia is great isn't it... If you used DHL - get on to them about customs. They are reallt fast to Australia (2 days) a little slow at clearing customs (3-5 days) and you want them to know to call you as soon as they get a customs cost (if there is one) to get yoru credit card to pay for it. Otherwise it seems to take a while for them to gear and and get a department to call you to create and account and get payment. Call them durign the day and pre-do this.. Makes it smoother in my experience.

Geoff
post #218 of 1583
I've had my focus on the Anthem P5 5 channel amp and I have to admit the Wyred 4 Sound is making me hesitate a little bit.

What I like about the Anthem P5 is that it puts out I think 325 watts per channel and is fully balanced as well. I don't know if any of the WFS amps are balanced.

Basically, how would the Wyred 4 Sound amps stack up against the Anthem P5?
post #219 of 1583
Hi,

Yep, they aere fully balanced with XLR connectiors and FET input buffers etc.

One of the main reasosn I bought the,
post #220 of 1583
I have the Paradigm Signature S8's and C5 center speaker and I like the idea that I can configure an amp to have 3 channels solely directed to powering those 3 speakers and then having lesser powered amps for surrounds.

The Signatures are fairly efficient 8 ohm speakers and even though I'd like to have 500 watts for each, I think that's overkill (plus more expensive). Of course, Anthem is heavily promoted to power Paradigm since they're part of the same company, but from the review I read on W4S, it sounds like that amp would do a great job in bringing out the best in the Signature speakers.

I also like the fact that the W4S amp is balanced and I can use XLR connectors to whatever pre/processor I'm going to end up with. Now if I can just figure out what kind of speaker cable and interconnects to use, I'd be very happy.
post #221 of 1583
Jim ,

I think im in the same boat u are bro. I have definitive speakers 5.1 setup , 7002's , clr2500 , and monitor 350's . I had a halo a21 amp hooked up to the towers and could not believe how good the sound was. It was sooo transparent , etc.. But it draws sooo much power and runs very warm. My office is like a sauna with all the electronics running. I was going to get the parasound 5 channel 250 watt a51. But now i read this thread and am going to move to the wyred4sound amps.

I have not read a back review of these ICE amp technology. People love the d-sonic and bel canto ones and the pioneers with the built ins. If those are good than why not get the one with the better internals (wyred4sound).
From what i read , they take it a step further. The amp gives all the power you need , plus upgrade capability at a fair price. Awsome transparency and sonics from what i read , and clarity.

When i get back from hawaii on the 5th of sept. , im going to buy the 5 channel , 500x3 and 250x2 amp. I am 99 % sure that i will make the right choice and this amp will stay for years to come.
post #222 of 1583
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Originally Posted by Spearmint View Post

Hey Jasper,

I checked the tracking and see the amp is already in the country. I'll probably leave it for a week before doing any critical listening, but will leave the Sonos to keep things ticking over in the mean time. With any luck I may get the amp Today, if not early next week, still excellent service IMO.

I would be interested to hear your impression with your W4S. A few weeks ago I got a pair of almost new Bel Canto Ref 1000 unheard to go with my Supratek Chenin tube preamp. When i first powered them up, i was quite disappointed and very tempted to dump them on ebay after a few days. To my ears, it was all dense mid range with limited high frequency extension and poor instrument separation. I thought to myself what was that 6moons reviewer on about with his raving review back in 2006. Incidentally, the same reviewer is coming up with one for the W4S monoblocks.

Luckily i asked around and a few people advised me to persevere with at least 200 hours on the ICEpower module before i pass my judgement on them. So i logged a few hours a day of music playing with the amps left permanently left on and sure enough the sound changed quite a bit over 2-3 week period. I did put my old Bryston 4BSST back in 3 times over this period to compare the sound and the changes were not sublte to my ears. First time round, i thought the Bryston was much better. Second time round , the ICEamp was much closer to my taste while still retaining its smooth mid range.The last time was done just before i listed the Bryston on ebay to confirm my decision.

The Bryston is now gone via ebay and i don't miss it. Over the last week and and half, I've not detected much further sonic change/improvement and the main impression is of good clarity/resolution while still retaining a smooth/ beguiling mid range. But PRAT could be a bit better though.

Despite my current favourable impression of them , I'm still contemplating replacing the Bel Canto with the W4S monblocks as i was told the W4S modified input stage will make life easier for my high output impedance tube preamplifier, with possible better bass.
post #223 of 1583
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Originally Posted by JimmyDaves View Post

I have the Paradigm Signature S8's and C5 center speaker and I like the idea that I can configure an amp to have 3 channels solely directed to powering those 3 speakers and then having lesser powered amps for surrounds.

The Signatures are fairly efficient 8 ohm speakers and even though I'd like to have 500 watts for each, I think that's overkill (plus more expensive). Of course, Anthem is heavily promoted to power Paradigm since they're part of the same company, but from the review I read on W4S, it sounds like that amp would do a great job in bringing out the best in the Signature speakers.

I also like the fact that the W4S amp is balanced and I can use XLR connectors to whatever pre/processor I'm going to end up with. Now if I can just figure out what kind of speaker cable and interconnects to use, I'd be very happy.

I'm using a Wyred modified PS Audio unit with the 1000ASP modules for my Signature S4's & C3. I find that ICE mates very well with the Sigs, the top end resolution is just what the doctor ordered for the Sigs' excellent tweeters. I only run my S4's down to 60hz and no doubt you'll run your Sigs full range, so you'll also be able to appreciate the incredible sense of control and extention the ICE amps have with the bottom end.
post #224 of 1583
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Originally Posted by JasperT View Post

I would be interested to hear your impression with your W4S. A few weeks ago I got a pair of almost new Bel Canto Ref 1000 unheard to go with my Supratek Chenin tube preamp. When i first powered them up, i was quite disappointed and very tempted to dump them on ebay after a few days. To my ears, it was all dense mid range with limited high frequency extension and poor instrument separation. I thought to myself what was that 6moons reviewer on about with his raving review back in 2006. Incidentally, the same reviewer is coming up with one for the W4S monoblocks.

Luckily i asked around and a few people advised me to persevere with at least 200 hours on the ICEpower module before i pass my judgement on them. So i logged a few hours a day of music playing with the amps left permanently left on and sure enough the sound changed quite a bit over 2-3 week period. I did put my old Bryston 4BSST back in 3 times over this period to compare the sound and the changes were not sublte to my ears. First time round, i thought the Bryston was much better. Second time round , the ICEamp was much closer to my taste while still retaining its smooth mid range.The last time was done just before i listed the Bryston on ebay to confirm my decision.

The Bryston is now gone via ebay and i don't miss it. Over the last week and and half, I've not detected much further sonic change/improvement and the main impression is of good clarity/resolution while still retaining a smooth/ beguiling mid range. But PRAT could be a bit better though.

Despite my current favourable impression of them , I'm still contemplating replacing the Bel Canto with the W4S monblocks as i was told the W4S modified input stage will make life easier for my high output impedance tube preamplifier, with possible better bass.

The amp never turned up on Friday, so it'll be this week for sure.

I didn't know you'd gone over to Bel Canto Jasper, I'm glad you're enjoying them, it's also a bit of a relief for me since I've not heard these style of amps regardless of brand in any system that I'm aware of, my purchase was based purely on others opinions.
post #225 of 1583
One thing I'll be checking and of course comparing to my Elektra amp, is this amps 3D sound stage, I've read comments from several people that quite a number of digital amps suffer from a flat almost 2d sound stage, I'm not implying that these ones do. Currently my system has IMO phenomenal 3D presentation, and I would not like to loose this.
post #226 of 1583
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Originally Posted by Spearmint View Post

The amp never turned up on Friday, so it'll be this week for sure.

I didn't know you'd gone over to Bel Canto Jasper, I'm glad you're enjoying them, it's also a bit of a relief for me since I've not heard these style of amps regardless of brand in any system that I'm aware of, my purchase was based purely on others opinions.

It was a punt for me as well when i came across this near new used pair.
But i'm still keen to try Stuart's new amp in the future when he gets round to make them.



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Originally Posted by Spearmint View Post

One thing I'll be checking and of course comparing to my Elektra amp, is this amps 3D sound stage, I've read comments from several people that quite a number of digital amps suffer from a flat almost 2d sound stage, I'm not implying that these ones do. Currently my system has IMO phenomenal 3D presentation, and I would not like to loose this.

I was very conscious of this too when i was reading up on Class D/IcePower amp.
In my case,width aplenty but front to back depth is just about par with the previous Bryston or may be slightly behind. Not bothering me enough.
post #227 of 1583
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Originally Posted by JasperT View Post

It was a punt for me as well when i came across this near new used pair.
But i'm still keen to try Stuart's new amp in the future when he gets round to make them.





I was very conscious of this too when i was reading up on Class D/IcePower amp.
In my case,width aplenty but front to back depth is just about par with the previous Bryston or may be slightly behind. Not bothering me enough.

Thanks Jasper,

I'm really looking forward to getting this amp.

I've seen Stuarts CAD images of his new gear, he is a very talented individual. I do wish him well in his endeavours and Harry of course.
post #228 of 1583
In the process of ordering mine.... very excited.
post #229 of 1583
Marc,

Be sure to let us know how you like it. As I said to you last week, I'll be ordering on after the first of the year!

Best regards,
post #230 of 1583
rnrgagne:

How much power are you using for your Signatures? I was pretty much set on the Bel Canto amps after reading in a review how well they mated with Paradigm Signature 8's. The amp in the review was the Bel Canto integrated however.

Originally, I liked the idea of either the Bel Canto M300's or M1000s monoblocks. I thought having a preamp/processor with Balanced outputs into the balanced inputs of monoblocks would be a great idea.

For me, having the best quality power for the left, center and right speakers is my main concern. Also, since home theater is my main use for these speakers, I want an amp that really shines in the center channel and that dialogue is clear, detailed and natural sounding as well as the amp being totally in control of the S8's as well.

It wasn't until recently that Wyred 4 Sound entered into the picture and made me reconsider the Bel Canto choice. I'm sure either amp would be a fine choice, but I do want an amp that produces a great midrange, a tight defined bass and an extended detailed treble as well.

Bel Canto has been around longer and therefore, has received more press and Stereophile has even rated the M1000 as a Class A Recommended Component and I do like having a monoblock close to the speaker with short runs of speaker cable to the speaker. (Any recommendation on a speaker cable for the Signatures using W4S amps?)

Appreciate your recommendations, thoughts, advice, etc. Thanks!
post #231 of 1583
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Originally Posted by JimmyDaves View Post

I've had my focus on the Anthem P5 5 channel amp and I have to admit the Wyred 4 Sound is making me hesitate a little bit.

What I like about the Anthem P5 is that it puts out I think 325 watts per channel and is fully balanced as well. I don't know if any of the WFS amps are balanced.

Basically, how would the Wyred 4 Sound amps stack up against the Anthem P5?

I demoed The Aerial Acoustic LR5's with the P5 and hated it, for what that's worth. All power but no control. Then I got to hear the same speakers in the same room with the BAT-6200. The BAT was night and day better. Having said that I think I am going to take a chance and go with the Wyred for Sound amp myself once my room gets done.
post #232 of 1583
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Originally Posted by JimmyDaves View Post

rnrgagne:

How much power are you using for your Signatures? I was pretty much set on the Bel Canto amps after reading in a review how well they mated with Paradigm Signature 8's. The amp in the review was the Bel Canto integrated however.

Originally, I liked the idea of either the Bel Canto M300's or M1000s monoblocks. I thought having a preamp/processor with Balanced outputs into the balanced inputs of monoblocks would be a great idea.

For me, having the best quality power for the left, center and right speakers is my main concern. Also, since home theater is my main use for these speakers, I want an amp that really shines in the center channel and that dialogue is clear, detailed and natural sounding as well as the amp being totally in control of the S8's as well.

It wasn't until recently that Wyred 4 Sound entered into the picture and made me reconsider the Bel Canto choice. I'm sure either amp would be a fine choice, but I do want an amp that produces a great midrange, a tight defined bass and an extended detailed treble as well.

Bel Canto has been around longer and therefore, has received more press and Stereophile has even rated the M1000 as a Class A Recommended Component and I do like having a monoblock close to the speaker with short runs of speaker cable to the speaker. (Any recommendation on a speaker cable for the Signatures using W4S amps?)

Appreciate your recommendations, thoughts, advice, etc. Thanks!


I'm running my mains off the 1000ASP modules which are 500w@ 8 ohms and the same ones as in the Ref M1000's.
Bel Canto, Jeff Rowland, Rotel and D-Sonic all make amps with this module and some use the smaller 500ASP and 250ASP as well but as far as I know Wyred is the only one that does real modifications to the modules themselves and add an input stage that supposedly mates better with tube gear. The rest just add the case and connectors to the raw modules. So they should all sound identical. The Wyred might be the only one that has its' own sonic signature.
As far a speaker cables go I just use a dual run of 12g Home Depot twisted pair "in-wall" cable because I have a 30' runs.
post #233 of 1583
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post


Bel Canto, Jeff Rowland, Rotel and D-Sonic all make amps with this module and some use the smaller 500ASP and 250ASP as well but as far as I know Wyred is the only one that does real modifications to the modules themselves and add an input stage that supposedly mates better with tube gear. The rest just add the case and connectors to the raw modules. So they should all sound identical. The Wyred might be the only one that has its' own sonic signature.

J Rowland modifies theirs ICE modules too, using Lundahl transformer among others and you can buy a separate JRDG PC1 power correction unit to improve the swithcing amp performance. However you will be paying a lot more for the nice/jewel like casing and brand cache on top of the sonic quality.
post #234 of 1583
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Originally Posted by JasperT View Post

J Rowland modifies theirs ICE modules too, using Lundahl transformer among others and you can buy a separate JRDG PC1 power correction unit to improve the swithcing amp performance. However you will be paying a lot more for the nice/jewel like casing and brand cache on top of the sonic quality.

That may very well be the case, I don't have first hand knowledge, I'm going by a picture I've seen of the module inside the J.R. and there appeared to be no alterations from the original. Is the transformer external to the module?
post #235 of 1583
The amp turned up.

Besides the impeccable service, the packaging is first rate also. The amp is wrapped in plastic and suspended in the box via plastic bricks so it's well out of harms way from heavy handed delivery people, then on top of this it's also double boxed.

On first looks the amp is very well constructed, with excellent connections, and does look better in the flesh than the photos portray. I wouldn't say it's a statement piece but it's not ugly either, after all it's a power amp and doesn't need to be on parade if you don't want it to be. I've seen some amps that I would want to hide; this one is proudly on display in my system.

First thing I checked when powering the amp up was the noise it produced, I've a dedicated room and the noise floor is very low, I hate with a passion, AC Hum, and transformer buzz, this amp is as quiet as a church mouse, wow I was so happy.

So taking on board others suggestions that not to be to critical in the first few hundred hours, I had to check the 3D sound stage, since I've read some conflicting reports with regards to some digital amps. I've got some test discs that I use when auditioning gear, or when going to GTG's since its music I'm very familiar with so it gives me some form of benchmark. Fist up is Chant - Fourplay, besides other great things this track has to offer at the start there is a sound like sprinkles, there are two lots of them the first usually comes out into the room halfway, and the second lot comes up to the listener. Next up Private Universe - Crowded House, at the start of this is traffic noise and some voices, the sounds radiate out and around the listener, the third track I use is Montego Bay Spleen - St. Germain, this has a truly three dimensional sound stage that wraps right around the listener. One of the beauties of these three tracks is the 3D sound stage I listen for is right at the start so very easy to check and move onto the next track.

I'm not sure if the soundstage improves with hours up but I found in all three cases the soundstage was a bit shallower than the other A/B amps that I've used in my room, these being Elektra Reference, Elektra Theatre, and SGR plate amps. It's not far behind but for me a noticeable difference only because I was looking for it.

At the moment the Sonos is running so the amp is being continually run to clock up some hours, on the weekend I'll give it a workout in the listening department.
post #236 of 1583
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

That may very well be the case, I don't have first hand knowledge, I'm going by a picture I've seen of the module inside the J.R. and there appeared to be no alterations from the original. Is the transformer external to the module?


I don't have one and can't be 100% certain. May be some of the features i mentioned is not universal or not done to the earlier JRGD ICE amps.

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Originally Posted by Spearmint View Post

The amp turned up.

Besides the impeccable service, the packaging is first rate also. The amp is wrapped in plastic and suspended in the box via plastic bricks so it’s well out of harms way from heavy handed delivery people, then on top of this it’s also double boxed.

SNIP

At the moment the Sonos is running so the amp is being continually run to clock up some hours, on the weekend I'll give it a workout in the listening department.


That's a good read and feedback. Looking forward to Part 2.

Thanks,
jasper
post #237 of 1583
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Originally Posted by Influence View Post

Everything else in my rack is almost all black, so I'm trying to avoid silver.

Also, I see that you are touting new versions of the SX1000 amps. Will there be changes to the multi-channel amps in the near future as well?

Sorry I'm so late, but here is a picture of a mono on top of a stereo in black wrinkle finish.

Thank you for asking,

EJ
LL
post #238 of 1583
It looks much better in black,stealthy.
post #239 of 1583
I think one thing that the combination of black and silver provide, especially the way that the "Wyred 4 Sound" folks do it, i.e. with the silver centered portion forming an arrow down is that if you have components of both black and silver, the amp ties them together in color. A visual blending, if you will.
post #240 of 1583
Way freakin' better in Darth Vader Stealth Black.

I cannot understand the appeal of silver.

And two-tone is even worse... reminds me of old-fashioned 50s saddle shoes.

But, hey, feel free to enjoy them anyway.

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