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post #601 of 1513
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post


Now if we could get Wyred4Sound to implement a Subwoofer out for their 2 channel preamp, I would likely buy one for sure...

What do you say EJ and Rick...

Patrick

The Wyred preamp has 2 RCA outputs, and 2 XLR outputs. Just plug the sub into one of those sets of outputs.
post #602 of 1513
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

Yes the ARC seems like a great system - I did read Kal's take on it and he sees it as equal to the stand alone Audyssey SEQ. That's very high praise indeed. The on-board Audyssey Pro of the AVP has half the resolution of the SEQ, but again the value or need of the extra resolution is really room dependent IMO. I had the SEQ and the results I'm getting in my room are as just good with the AVP's Audyssey & a Pro calibration. I'm pretty sure both the Audyssey & ARC will make the SMS-1 redundant.

It's great that Anthem supports their products. So far Denon has been supporting the AVP quite well, I've done four firmware upgrades and two of them were actually to add features (Audyssey Dynamic Volume & 1080/24hz processing) and not just to fix bugs. Overall the AVP has come out of the gate relatively flawless.

I'd certainly consider the D2v2 if I were buying today, but as has been the case too often, when I was ready to buy, Anthem was behind the curve. That I suppose, is one of the negative things about being an early adopter like I tend to be. Usually that leads to regrets, but in the case of the AVP there is none this time, it's that good.

Thank you for that, its pretty much a horse a piece, with maybe some extra features that I have no need for going to the AVP. I have no bones toward either one, just trying to find which one is best for my application. As far as Anthem being behind the curve, I don't think the gap is that wide here, and the D2v seems to have a better scaler....

I have been looking at both recently, but with the price I got on the D2v I couldn't pass it up... I made the move yesterday...
I'm sure we will both be happy with our purchases...

You may be right about the redundancy with the SMS, I have 4 subs in that room, so I'll have to see how things measure out... Either way, the D2v, and the Wyred amp should be an awesome combo.

Thanks for your incite...

Regards....
post #603 of 1513
Has anyone purchased/listed to Wyred's Mini MC series? Especially if anyone has listened to the Mini series and the regular MC series and can comment on the differences.
post #604 of 1513
Which Amp? 5 CH (3 x 250w, 2 x 125w) or 5 CH (3 x 500w, 2 x 250w)
I'm learning toward the 3x500, 2x250, but is this amp too much "amp" for my speakers?

my setup:
-Paradigm Studio 100 Front
-Paradigm Studio 690 Center
-Paradigm Millenia 20 Rear
-Denon AVR-4306, upgrading to Integra DHC 9.9

I emailed EJ 2 days ago for recommendation, but no reply yet....

Thanks,
Mike
post #605 of 1513
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Originally Posted by mkv15 View Post

Which Amp? 5 CH (3 x 250w, 2 x 125w) or 5 CH (3 x 500w, 2 x 250w)
I'm learning toward the 3x500, 2x250, but is this amp too much "amp" for my speakers?

my setup:
-Paradigm Studio 100 Front
-Paradigm Studio 690 Center
-Paradigm Millenia 20 Rear
-Denon AVR-4306, upgrading to Integra DHC 9.9

I emailed EJ 2 days ago for recommendation, but no reply yet....

Thanks,
Mike

You can't have too much "Clean" power. Buy more and you won't be disappointed plus that will position you if you ever change speaker to someting that introduces a more difficult load. I had the same conversation with EJ a few months ago and suggested the larger amp and I've been very pleased. Well worth the extra $$$
post #606 of 1513
Im running the bigger powered amp in a 7 channel config with my Studio 100's I'm very happy with the sound. I agree with Happy, just get the best right from the get go, and never look back...
post #607 of 1513
Subgenuis37

My Integra DHC 9.9/Mini MC x 5 replaced my NAD T785. My set up is currently running with the Integra EQ flat. Most noticeable improvements in my set up was the clarity and accuracy in both movies and music. For music the vocals sound amazing, clean, smooth, and pure to performer. I used Norah Jones and Coldplay as reference because I have been to their concerts(my concert ticket gifts to my wife), and the quality of the CD recordings. For movies I used Ironman as reference. Vocals again was awesome. It sounds like the characters are sitting in the room talking to you. Any gunfire with shells hitting the ground. My favorite is when Ironman escapes and gets out of the cave. In the first chapter, when the dirt returns to the ground from explosions. You can hear every separate piece of dirt and differentiate many sizes of dirt. The older receiver you can only make out two maybe three pieces. The one concern I had was my first listen. I was concerned with the quality of the sound that came out. It improved by the first hour, I felt good at about 60 hrs, and proud at 300 hrs. One more thing, I had to set the Integra volume limiter to 70%(100dB peaks) for ear protection. 70% is freaking loud. The older receiver clipped at 95% volume at about the same dB levels.Hope this helps. You should post your speakers.

I found this link helpful on AVS for how much power you need.

http://www.stageaccompany.com/en/support/splcalc.php

This link to not go deaf.

http://www.dangerousdecibels.org/hearingloss.cfm

I will like to thank E.J. & Wyred 4 Sound for a great product.
post #608 of 1513
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Originally Posted by kilinko View Post

Subgenuis37

My Integra DHC 9.9/Mini MC x 5 replaced my NAD T785. My set up is currently running with the Integra EQ flat. Most noticeable improvements in my set up was the clarity and accuracy in both movies and music. For music the vocals sound amazing, clean, smooth, and pure to performer. I used Norah Jones and Coldplay as reference because I have been to their concerts(my concert ticket gifts to my wife), and the quality of the CD recordings. For movies I used Ironman as reference. Vocals again was awesome. It sounds like the characters are sitting in the room talking to you. Any gunfire with shells hitting the ground. My favorite is when Ironman escapes and gets out of the cave. In the first chapter, when the dirt returns to the ground from explosions. You can hear every separate piece of dirt and differentiate many sizes of dirt. The older receiver you can only make out two maybe three pieces. The one concern I had was my first listen. I was concerned with the quality of the sound that came out. It improved by the first hour, I felt good at about 60 hrs, and proud at 300 hrs. One more thing, I had to set the Integra volume limiter to 70%(100dB peaks) for ear protection. 70% is freaking loud. The older receiver clipped at 95% volume at about the same dB levels.Hope this helps. You should post your speakers.

I found this link helpful on AVS for how much power you need.

http://www.stageaccompany.com/en/support/splcalc.php

This link to not go deaf.

http://www.dangerousdecibels.org/hearingloss.cfm

I will like to thank E.J. & Wyred 4 Sound for a great product.

Thank you for the review! I am leaning toward the mini 5 as my speakers aren't that big, relatively efficient, and I will mostly be doing home theater. I am replacing an older HCA 1205 Parasound amplifier so the bump up in watts (140-250), channel isolation, and reduced distortion are weighting my buy decision at the moment. And the fact that my old Parasound is a bit of a space heater and I'm trying to cool the space off That reminds me kilinko, how warm/hot does the amp get when watching Iron Man (one of my favorite reference blu-rays as well)?
post #609 of 1513
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Originally Posted by subgenius37 View Post

Thank you for the review! I am leaning toward the mini 5 as my speakers aren't that big, relatively efficient, and I will mostly be doing home theater. I am replacing an older HCA 1205 Parasound amplifier so the bump up in watts (140-250), channel isolation, and reduced distortion are weighting my buy decision at the moment. And the fact that my old Parasound is a bit of a space heater and I'm trying to cool the space off That reminds me kilinko, how warm/hot does the amp get when watching Iron Man (one of my favorite reference blu-rays as well)?

I leave the Mini MC on 24/7. I used two thermometers. The temperature with the Pre/Pro off is 89 and 92 degrees fahrenheit. Watching Ironman at an average conversation 60 dB, and loud peaks around 80 dB it stayed the same temp. I checked the thermometers at 30 minutes, and 1 hr into the movie. Equipment is in a rack. Ambient temperature in rack room is 72 and 75 degrees fahrenheit with thermometers. Equipment below the Mini MC provided no additional heat during test. 3.5 inch vented space below the amp and 5.5 vented space on top with the Pre/Pro above. Hope this helps.
LL
post #610 of 1513
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Originally Posted by kilinko View Post

I leave the Mini MC on 24/7. I used two thermometers. The temperature with the Pre/Pro off is 89 and 92 degrees fahrenheit. Watching Ironman at an average conversation 60 dB, and loud peaks around 80 dB it stayed the same temp. I checked the thermometers at 30 minutes, and 1 hr into the movie. Equipment is in a rack. Ambient temperature in rack room is 72 and 75 degrees fahrenheit with thermometers. Equipment below the Mini MC provided no additional heat during test. 3.5 inch vented space below the amp and 5.5 vented space on top with the Pre/Pro above. Hope this helps.


This is perfect! Thank you so much for the added info. It sounds like the Mini MC doesn't add any or very little heat. It is now on the top of my very short list. Much appreciated! Great setup btw.
post #611 of 1513
FYI, RH said the review of the amps would be in June/July issue (April 28 mail date) of the Absolute Sound.

Cheers.
post #612 of 1513
does anyone know if i use Belden 1800F AES/EBU 110 ohm xlr cables could result in a more audible hiss from my speakers? I have the wyred4sound MC 500x3 250x2 amp. I never noticed hiss from my parasound halo. I like the wyred4sound mc amp alot better. I just hate the slight hiss with my ear 2 inches from the tweeter.

Maybe EJ can give an engineering perspective on this?


thanx Chris
post #613 of 1513
Thanks, Klao. Have you received your STP yet? Really interested in your impressions.
post #614 of 1513
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Originally Posted by Hogganbeck View Post

Thanks, Klao. Have you received your STP yet? Really interested in your impressions.

You're welcome, Hogganbeck. I asked that my unit be delivered around the end of this month. Will let you know my impression after then.

EJ told me imaging and soundstage depth/space are better than the STP stock version. I suppose Rick and EJ are still auditioning to see if it can be improved a bit further.
post #615 of 1513
Hello everyone,

I have to say that I'm quite impressed with the continual motion on our thread, and quite disappointed that I've allowed 2 pages to go by without responding. It doesn't feel like that much time has passed, but time flies when you're having fun.... My deepest apologies for anyone feeling left out. This was definitely not my intention, just ridiculously busy over here.

As always (as many of you have done) an email is a for sure way to get a timely response from me if needed. I think I've answered all the questions directed to me via email after the postings, but if there are any I've missed, please let me know. We are knee deep in framing in the 450sq feet of dedicated listening room in the shop, so it's been very noisy around here lately. Again thank you all for the support!

EJ Sarmento
sales@wyred4sound.com
www.wyred4sound.com
post #616 of 1513
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

Im running the bigger powered amp in a 7 channel config with my Studio 100's I'm very happy with the sound. I agree with Happy, just get the best right from the get go, and never look back...

Hello Warpdrv and everyone else!

I'm new here and I have read this thread with great interest as I'm about to purchase an amplifier. My short list has been whittled down to the Wyred 5ch, 3X500w + 2X250w and the comparable D-Sonic.

As I understand it, you have the 7ch versions of each brand and I was wondering if I might ask your initial impressions of any differences (sonically) between the two. Which ever one I purchase will be used to drive a new set of Paradigm Studio V.5's (100's, 690 & 590's).

Thank you in advance!

Cheers!

Brent
post #617 of 1513
Hey Brent.... Just logged back on, been extremely busy today getting ready, as my 65" Panny Plasma just showed up, and I got it installed this evening... Wow I'm really tired from moving things around, a big thanks goes out to Nuance for helping me

As of right now, I have done minor comparison between the 2 and sonically they are both very good amps, with maybe the edge of smoothness going to the Wyred amp. One thing I have tested was the noise floor, and the Wyred def pulls out on top in my mix and what I have to work with. Right now I am using a couple of Pioneer receivers as my preamps, so cleanliness is somewhat of a compromise BUT I have a Anthem D2v on order and hopefully on the way soon, and at that point I will be able to make some better comparisons of the 2 amps in a much better and more controlled environment.

So at this point I will have to refrain from giving any really analytical type answer until I can offer a more controlled swap of the 2 amps...

BTW, I have a 5 channel D-Sonic (2000-5) and a 7 Channel Wyred amp..
post #618 of 1513
Hey Warpdrv,

Thanks for the quick response. I'm glad to hear that you are tired because it is obviously a good kind of tired, what with the new 65" Panny and all!

I understand your reluctance in getting very analytical but I appreciate your initial impressions all the same. It sounds as though with the set up you have at the moment the Wyred has an edge and I have been leaning in that direction. I will be using it with an Integra DHC 9.9 although I would love a D2v...maybe next year after I finish with the renovations.

I look forward to a more in depth comparison but I will probably have made my purchase by then so it will be moot (but still interesting)!

Thanks again and Cheers!

Brent
post #619 of 1513
Warpdrv, I noticed in the pic you posted that your Wyred is tucked away in fairly tight quarters. Any heat issues after a spirited listening session? I have a custom made HT center and whatever I wind up with will be sitting in similar surroundings excepy there will be about 2" above and 7" on either side of the cabinet.
post #620 of 1513
Hey jazz.....

No issues with heat, and I have far less room in that cabinet then you will. Neither the D-Sonic nor the Wyred get much more then warm to the touch.... it just sits quietly back in that cabinet and does its job...

You'll be fine...
post #621 of 1513
Anyone compare the Mini 5 to the non-mini version for 2 channel audio? I am considering the Mini for my Song Series. But, well, I do music 60/HT 40, so I really want it to be sonically good for 2 channel. I am running the amp with Salk SongTower Rts.
post #622 of 1513
Anyone have a chance to listen to W4S new pre-amp?
post #623 of 1513
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

BTW, I have a 5 channel D-Sonic (2000-5) and a 7 Channel Wyred amp..

Are they the same modules for the main channels in each?
post #624 of 1513
Are any of the amps 2ohm stable? Specifically, I have a pair of 2ohm bass woofers I was thinking about pairing with a ST500.

Also, I read mention early in this thread about available active crossovers internal to the amps. I see no information on the website concerning this, is there a source for more information on the active crossover solutions the Wyred 4 Sound amps provide? ...HP/LP, Available XO Freqs, Slopes, etc?
post #625 of 1513
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Originally Posted by keenween View Post

Are any of the amps 2ohm stable? Specifically, I have a pair of 2ohm bass woofers I was thinking about pairing with a ST500.

Also, I read mention early in this thread about available active crossovers internal to the amps. I see no information on the website concerning this, is there a source for more information on the active crossover solutions the Wyred 4 Sound amps provide? ...HP/LP, Available XO Freqs, Slopes, etc?

Hello Keenween,

Yes, the 250 and 500W channels are 2ohm stable. The ST-500 and 1000 should drive your woofers without any issues.

I’m sorry about the lack of information on that; we need to add that in the near future. Basically, the larger MC amps offer a HP crossover on the front right and left channels. This allows a person to use a one amp to power a 5ch HT system and bi-amp at the same time. Could also just order a 4ch or 6ch for tri-amping.

Because internal crossovers are made to suit connected speakers, we couldn’t design the selectable crossover to match the need of every speaker. Basically the HP eliminates all low frequencies going to the top end of the speaker. So how would this sound better when the internal crossover is still in the speaker? This allows the amp to easily drive the top end. Without low frequencies going to the amplifier, the headroom is reserved for the higher frequencies. Low frequency transients can cause the amp to clip in all frequencies.

The crossover in the MC amps is a generic 80hz, 12db/octave which should work for any bi-ampable speaker. We could offer different crossover points if there are any special needs.

EJ Sarmento
sales@wyred4sound.com
www.wyred4sound.com
post #626 of 1513
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Originally Posted by WYRED 4 SOUND View Post

Hello Keenween,

The crossover in the MC amps is a generic 80hz, 3db/octave which should work for any bi-ampable speaker. We could offer different crossover points if there are any special needs.

EJ Sarmento
sales@wyred4sound.com
www.wyred4sound.com

Is the 3db/octave correct? First order crossover is 6 db/octave.

Regards,
Will
post #627 of 1513
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Originally Posted by Will Gibbons View Post

Is the 3db/octave correct? First order crossover is 6 db/octave.

Regards,
Will

Hello Will,

I'm not sure why I put 3 on there? It's actually 12db/octave. I will go back and correct the last post. Thank you for pointing that out.

EJ Sarmento
sales@wyred4sound.com
www.wyred4sound.com
post #628 of 1513
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

Are they the same modules for the main channels in each?

I'm sorry for missing this...

Yes, both amps are laid out the same, with the D-Sonic only being a 5 channel amp. 3x500 for the front 3, and 250w for the surrounds.
post #629 of 1513
Has anyone heard the new preamp yet? The only word I've heard on it is that posted by W4S on their site.
post #630 of 1513
topher

I asked that about 1/2 dozen post ago and got no response. I have been waiting to hear something from someone but .....
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