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post #121 of 307
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Originally Posted by LeRoyK View Post

For those of you who are comfortable with going into the service menu, could you please post the factory settings for the following registers when in Movie mode.

BRTC
COLC
UVTT
CNTX

Look at them all in both Natural and Native aspect ratios. I plan to do another calibration of a stock 52" using Movie mode as a base. Getting those settings right will be important.

The settings can also vary with the input type, 1080i may be different than 1080p etc.

I would look myself, but I have been mucking with them too much to reconstruct the stock values.

Thanks,

LeRoy

Those settings don't change in movie mode.
The picture mode only changes user menu settings.
The service menu is global for all inputs/all picture modes.
post #122 of 307
LeroyK:

Here are my 52" Toshiba settings for Movie Mode from the SM

BRTC 75H
COLC 9DH
UVTT 75H
CNTX 7FH

Also, my original drive settings from factory were:

R-Drive 73H
G-Drive 7AH
B-Drive 82H

Looking forward to your new calibration info!
post #123 of 307
Sotti

Would you be willing to post your currently optimal settings for the 42RV530U? I don't have any expertise but I thought I'd write down the default settings from the service menu and then input your optimal settings to see what I think.

What impact do you think these settings would have on XBox 360 gaming and DVD Viewing?

Thanks in advance.
post #124 of 307
Thanks sotti

The RV350 and XF550 share many behaviors, but some of the service menu settings appear to act differently between the two models.

Yours allows you to change the cuts a bit, our does not (at least in the only service menu we currently have access to)

Yours shares the value of COLC between resolutions and modes. I can testify that my XF550 does not. I was embarassed by this last week when I had dialed in my color saturation using Native mode. The TV show we wanted to watch had some trash in the top two lines, so I switched to Natural mode. The color saturation setting I had dialed in so carefully went out the window. I needed to go into the service menu and set COLC in Natural mode as well. Even though the DVR was still sending the same 1080i signal on HDMI 1.
post #125 of 307
Thanks mikey, anyone else? I want to get a sense of the range (if any)

I see that mikey's factory R-Drive value is a click different than some in the spreadsheet. They must be touching them up somewhere in the manufacturing process.
post #126 of 307
The observation that Movie mode handled sharpness a bit differently than the other modes started me on this path.

I was also curious about Dynamic Backlight. If I could catch it working, that would be bad. But if I could watch whatever I wanted and never notice it working for me, that would be good. I have not caught the Dynamic Backlight once over a wide variety of material starting in Movie mode.

My meter does see the effects in a higher contrast ratio. Good show Toshiba.

To start this calibration I decided to begin in Movie mode.

I then set Dynamic Backlight On and Backlight to 50 in the user menu.

From there, I went to the test disk and set Contrast to 95 (CNTX 7F) and moved BRTC to 80 with user Brightness at 50. These settings avoid both Black and White crush at both ends of the grayscale.

For color temps I decided to calibrate with Medium Temp in the user menu and an anchor R-DRV of 72H, I went for a 6500 temp average and did ok with G_DRV at 5E and B-DRV at 56.

These settings give me a contrast ratio of 1757:1 with a top gray luminance of 51.471 ftL. the bottom gray is .029 ftL (darker than my calibrated CRT)

With the grays sorted, I then turned my attention to color.

I have tried in the past using Color Master to tame Green with results that did not give me warm fuzzies. This approach is a bit different, tame Green using the Color saturation controls, then use Color Master to restore the levels of the other colors. I am pleased with the results shown below.



Blue is the only color that is off of the mark. The Blue Color Master control does work, the hue and saturation change visibly on screen, but my meter does not indicate much change. I think the Blue will be alright.

Here are the settings all in one place.

Movie Mode

Picture Settings
Contrast 95
Brightness 50
Dynamic Backlight On
Brightness 50
Color 50
Tint 0
Sharpness 50

Color Master On
Red Hue 0, Saturation +28, Brightness 0
Green Hue -10, Saturation 0, Brightness 0
Blue Hue 0, Saturation +28, Brightness 0
Yellow Hue +7, Saturation +20, Brightness 0
Magenta Hue -15, Saturation +28, Brightness 0
Cyan Hue -1, Saturation -4, Brightness 0

Advanced Settings
Dynamic Contrast Off
Static Gamma -4
Color Temperature Medium
B Drive 0
G Drive 0

Service Menu
R-DRV 72H
G-DRV 5EH
B-DRV 56H
BRTC 80H
COLC 58H
UVTT 75H
CNTX 7FH

Those are my settings and I like them. When I have some time, I plan to reset my Service Menu to the factory defaults to see if I can duplicate these results using only the user menu.

One more thing... I cut the COLC value to 50H for my DVR feed. It is not that the DVR has a different color level than my Blu-ray player, but rather television programming is so variable in color saturation level. I prefer the look of undersaturated to that of oversaturated color, so I cut the COLC register for the DVR feeds of 1080i. I left the COLC value at reference level for Blu-ray and DVD at 1080p and 480p.

The COLC setting is odd, it appears that 1080i and 1080p both have two settings, one for streched and the other for Native. 720p has just one COLC setting. 480i and 480p appear to share the same COLC setting no matter what aspect is chosen. BRTC, UVTT and CNTX seem to follow the same pattern.

I have not been happy with MediaFire for hosting my pic or chc files, send me a private message and I can send you the .chc file.
LL
post #127 of 307
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Originally Posted by LeRoyK View Post

Thanks sotti

The RV350 and XF550 share many behaviors, but some of the service menu settings appear to act differently between the two models.

Yours allows you to change the cuts a bit, our does not (at least in the only service menu we currently have access to)

Yours shares the value of COLC between resolutions and modes. I can testify that my XF550 does not. I was embarassed by this last week when I had dialed in my color saturation using Native mode. The TV show we wanted to watch had some trash in the top two lines, so I switched to Natural mode. The color saturation setting I had dialed in so carefully went out the window. I needed to go into the service menu and set COLC in Natural mode as well. Even though the DVR was still sending the same 1080i signal on HDMI 1.



what ya know you're right I just checked a couple of inputs, the RGB drives and cuts are constant but the colc did change between inputs.
post #128 of 307
Thank you LeroyK for the settings. I tried them out last night and the color on my 52" was a little to orange and red for peoples faces. So I used your settings as the template for my greyscale, but put in the Blu-ray DVE to see what I could do with the color filters. Lo and behold, using LeroyK's settings with the Colormaster changes I made, my set looks FANTASTIC. Thank you LeroyK for the info as I am sure that is the proper "backbone" settings for greyscale on this television. All I needed to do was tweak the Colormaster for my set.

FWIW, here are the Colormaster settings I currently use on my Toshiba:

Color Master On
Red Hue 0, Saturation +28, Brightness 0
Green Hue +30, Saturation +30, Brightness 0
Blue Hue 0, Saturation +28, Brightness 0
Yellow Hue +6, Saturation +30, Brightness 0
Magenta Hue +10, Saturation +25, Brightness 0
Cyan Hue 0, Saturation +28, Brightness 0

FYI- As LeroyK pointed out in a previous post - changing the Brightness setting on the Colormaster can add some noise to certain colors. I added +10 brightness to Cyan and my picture had all sorts of issues going on for that color on several TV programs last night.
post #129 of 307
LeroyK, Thanks for all the different calibrations you have done. I have tried a few of them on my 52" and the picture quality was far superior then what I had setup using the DVE HD Basics disc.

I want to get a colorimeter of my own but after numerous searches on this forum I was unable to determine the difference between the i1 Display2 and the Display LT. Does anyone know? I will post my settings once I actually make a decision and buy one. Thanks in advance.
post #130 of 307
This time I put my service menu back to stock settings for Movie mode and redid my calibration. I used the first column of tne JAM2001 spreadsheet for the stock settings.

R-DRV 74H
G-DRV 7AH
B-DRV 85H
BRTC 75H
COLC 9DH
UVTT 75H
CNTX 7FH

Start in Movie mode.

Set Backlight to 50 and DynaLight On.

Set Contrast to 95 to prevent White crush
Set Brightness to 58 to prevent Black crush with true black

In Avanced settings put Static Gamma at -4 for a better gamma tracking

Set the Color Temperature to Warm with B Drive at -9 and G Drive at -6

Your TV is now calibrated to a 6500 gray scale.

Contrast ratio is 1710:1 with a 0% gray luminance of .031 ftL and a 100% gray luminance of 52.9 ftL



For colors I am going to lower overall color saturation to get Green onto the CIE target. This puts overall Color at 28.

Now I used Color Master to restore Red, Blue, Yellow and Magenta saturation and put them on target with hue.

Here are the final numbers.

Movie mode

Contrast 95
Backlight 50
DynaLight On
Brightness 58
Color 28
Tint 0
Sharpness 50

Advanced Picture Settings

Dynamic Contrast Off
Static Gamma -4
Color Temperature Warm
B Drive -9 G Drive -6

Color Master On

Red
Hue 0
Saturation +25
Brightness 0

Green
Hue -9
Saturation 0
Brightness 0

Blue
Hue 0
Saturation +25
Brightness 0

Yellow
Hue +6
Saturation +18
Brightness 0

Magenta
Hue -8
Saturation +25
Brightness 0

Cyan
Hue -7
Saturation -5
Brightness 0

Those color settings result in this CIE color graph.



If you are like most people these settings are just a starting poiint. But you may find it a bit easier to get it ''just right" starting with these settings as a base.

Good luck and happy clicking
LL
LL
post #131 of 307
Does the Colormaster control only affect the iindividual color selected or does it have some effect on the greyscale setting also?
post #132 of 307
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Originally Posted by mikey ra View Post

Does the Colormaster control only affect the iindividual color selected or does it have some effect on the greyscale setting also?

No, I have not noticed an influence.
post #133 of 307
If you followed the proceedure in post #130 to calibrate to the 709 standard, but feel like the Greens are too washed out with those settings. Here is an easy fix. Turn off Color Master and set the user Color control to 40. The meter indicates that with the stock settings in the service menu, 40 gives the proper 21% Red luminance. Green and Cyan will be off of the chart; just as Toshiba intended; but will not be washed out.

Here is what the meter sees with Color Master off and Color at 40.



If you followed post #126 into the Service Menu, the COLC should be 88H with the user Color control at 50. (Yes, 9DH is more than 10 clicks higher than 88H, the COLC control has a finer grain to it.)

Somewhere out there is a setting you will enjoy.
LL
post #134 of 307
LeroyK,

I've been super busy lately with projects around the house, but I hope to have time to post your new settings in the spreadsheet pretty soon.

One question though...Are you going to stay with the settings in post #126 or #130?
post #135 of 307
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Originally Posted by jerryrice80 View Post

LeroyK, Thanks for all the different calibrations you have done. I have tried a few of them on my 52" and the picture quality was far superior then what I had setup using the DVE HD Basics disc.

I want to get a colorimeter of my own but after numerous searches on this forum I was unable to determine the difference between the i1 Display2 and the Display LT. Does anyone know? I will post my settings once I actually make a decision and buy one. Thanks in advance.

Hi Jerry,

Sorry I have not answered your post sooner, I was hoping someone with better knowledge of the available probes would answer your question. I don't have an answer for you. I know that I can spend a lot of time with my probe, and I have improved upon the modes that Toshiba gives us with my inexpensive probe and HCFR. You might ask your question in a new thread for the Display Calibration forum, someone should have an answer or an opinion for you.

P.S. Are you the Jerry Rice who has appeared on with 'Dancing with the Stars'?
post #136 of 307
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Originally Posted by jam2001 View Post

LeroyK,

I've been super busy lately with projects around the house, but I hope to have time to post your new settings in the spreadsheet pretty soon.

One question though...Are you going to stay with the settings in post #126 or #130?

What am I using now... well it is a cross between post #126 #130 and #133 right now. I am keeping the Red, Green and Blue drives in the Service Menu at your stock settings, using the Warm Temp with Blue and Green drive offsets from post #130 in the user menu.

That way Sport and Standard modes look just like Toshiba intended on my TV.

I like to set the User Color control at 50, so I am using the service menu COLC control to set the color saturation. This also has an advantage in that I can turn down COLC for my DVR source at 1080i. So 1080p, 720p and 480p are at 88H, 1080i is set to 80H and may go a couple of clicks lower as I watch more. Remember to set both Natural and Native aspect modes the same.

I like to set the Brightness control at 50, so the BRTC control is set to 80H for all resolutions and aspect modes.

I left the tint control at the stock 75H for everything. The control has a very fine grain and a few clicks one way or another doesn't change the picture much.

Finally I am leaving Color Master off for now and letting Toshiba control the colors. Yes I know Green and Cyan are off the chart, but I like what I see without Color Master better than settings that comply with the 709 chart.

Will I mess with it some more? Probably not until we figure out how to set the cuts.

I think I have answered most of the questions I had about how the system works. Of course one of our contributers could spark another burning question that needs to be messed with.
post #137 of 307
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Originally Posted by LeRoyK View Post

P.S. Are you the Jerry Rice who has appeared on with 'Dancing with the Stars'?

I wish...Though if I had his NFL money I would have a much different home theater system.

I went ahead and bought the LT. From what I could tell the hardware is the same but the software for the Display2 has more features that are geared toward photographers.
post #138 of 307
Jerry:

It will be interesting to see what you new meter registers.
post #139 of 307
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Originally Posted by jerryrice80 View Post

I want to get a colorimeter of my own but after numerous searches on this forum I was unable to determine the difference between the i1 Display2 and the Display LT.

they are identical, it is the software that comes with them that is different...and if you use ColorHCFR, that doesn't matter. That being said, I got a slightly used Display2 off eBay for less than a new LT
post #140 of 307
see, you answered your own question, lol.
post #141 of 307
Hey Leroy...do you find the colormaster to be better than the HL167s? I set my colors the same way you described...lowering green within spec, and then suing the CM to set the other points...still have some noise since I had to up the brightness some on yellow...I know the LX177 had the Colormaster Pro which was supposedly better than the HL167s have...wondering if the new sets have the Pro version in them
post #142 of 307
Joe:

The only time I got noise was when I moved the Colormaster brightness settings on any color.
post #143 of 307
LeRoy you are badassness, embodied.
post #144 of 307
Can these settings apply for the XV540U, I have a 42" also, I've heard they are the same aside from a thinner bezel.
post #145 of 307
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Originally Posted by event View Post

Can these settings apply for the XV540U, I have a 42" also, I've heard they are the same aside from a thinner bezel.

Unfortunately any settings someone posts for their TV are for their TV only. Unit to unit variation will most likely cause one TV's settings to be anywhere from slighty to drastically different on someone else's TV of the same model nevermind a TV of a completely different model.
post #146 of 307
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Originally Posted by sperron View Post

Unfortunately any settings someone posts for their TV are for their TV only. Unit to unit variation will most likely cause one TV's settings to be anywhere from slighty to drastically different on someone else's TV of the same model nevermind a TV of a completely different model.

That being said, I've found LeroyK's posted settings to work great with only some minor tweaking. So posted settings are sometimes a great place to start and see.
post #147 of 307
Yeah, I've messed around with some of the posted settings and found that my original service settings had red and blue set a tad high, blacks when playing Gears and RB6 Vegas were purplish, not anymore, below are new settings on my 42XV540U...

R-CUT - 00H
G-CUT - 00H
B-CUT - 00H
R-DRV - 82H
G-DRV - 6EH
B-DRV - 89H
BRTC - 81H
COLC – BDH
UVTT - 7BH
CNTX - 7FH
SHRC - 08H
VBIS - 00H
CC - 90H
ID1 - 88H
GG - 40H
OPT1 - 00H
OPT2 - 00H
OPT3 - E2H
OPT4 - 6EH
OPT5 - 00H
VOLX - 64H

The below settings I use on Comcast HD, Upconvert DVD, and Xbox360 Elite (All using HDMI cables):

Contrast: 100
Backlight: 70, 60 on DVDs
Dyna Light: OFF
Brightness: 60
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 30, 45 on DVDs, 35 on Xbox360

Dyna Contrast: Middle
Static Gamma: 0
Color Temp: Medium
Cinema Mode: Film
Clear Frame: On
Film Stab: Smooth

Color Master:
Red: -2 for saturation and brightness
post #148 of 307
so leroy, with all these different settings, what is the FINAL finished setting for you? i see these combinations you mentioned from the different post..could you sum up the final settings. I want to use your setting and i'm a tad confused...i know nothing about calibration, but i DO know that YOU know...and i'm willing to trust your settings which you've worked so diligently to perfect, and you've done an outstanding job and a have been a great source of info for dolts like me who don't know squat about calibrating a tv.
post #149 of 307
Oh how I wish LeRoyK had a 40" XF550 instead of the 52"! Then I could try his settings. But alas I am convinced that the 40" units calibrate out completely differently. I just want to get a decent grey scale...
post #150 of 307
LeRoyK, you are the man!

This settings made my 52 look much better. On the PC, text is much more clear. My newly installed direct TV feed looks amazing as well.
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