Official Denon AVP-A1HD/AVP-A1HDCI and POA-A1HD/POA-A1HDCI owners thread. - Page 347

Ok i se your poit , thanks a lot guys .
I'lll just use mine g-22k's phono stage at this time .!!! thank's guys.

Hi Mark,

It should be possible. Check from your Surround Parameters adjust menu, directly accessible from your remote.

________ Bob

Mark.. Denon is very nebulous in regards to turning this feature off..

If you read the manual, there is no "Re-EQ" defeat mentioned, and it is clearly engaged if you use THX Cinema modes.

However, there is a Cinema EQ parameter in the

GUI>Parameter>Audio>Surround Parameters>Cinema EQ.

Manual Pg. 50-51.

However, it isn't clear if this is THX Re-EQ or not, as it doesn't seem to be related to the listening modes.

It doesn't seem to be a toggle for Re-EQ, as specific THX settings (such as ASA distances) are in the specific THX menu.

Also, Audyssey recommends the "Flat" setting if you have Re-EQ engaged, and leaving Re-EQ off when using their "Audyssey" setting.

Cinema EQ is Denon's proprietary roll-off feature.

I guess I got spoiled by my Lexicon MC-12...you could play with all the settings! I still have to check out Bob's suggestion about the button on the remote.

Thanks.

Mark

Bob, I checked, and there are only a few parameters I can adjust when in THX Ultra 2 Cinema mode, and THX Re-EQ is not among them.

According to the manual, THX Re-EQ is not an adjustable parameter in any surround mode.

Mark

Hi Guys sorry to go OT a bit but any idea when the new firmware will available for DL4?

Hi Mark,

Then I found to be a sad oversight from Denon engineers to not give people the option in the AVP. In particular, in the THX Ultra2 Cinema mode.
It is very important for the owner to be able to turn off the Re-EQ feature
at will. I don't think I need to explain why to you, as I'm pretty sure that you
already know the reasons.

My bests to you, very respectable Mark.

________
Bob

that is correct I have seen specific comment from chris of audyssey that with thx to run wiht the audyssey flat setting whih is pretty easily enabled

Just read JT interview looks like it could cost us. It will be worth it regardless. I bet we will see new Denon BD players with DL 4 in 2010

The AVP Phono stage sensitivity is listed as 2.5 mv and the DL-160 output is rated at. 1.6 mv. In the real world the cartridge output has been tested at around 2 mv which will mean that it should work fine with the AVP. The 2.5 mv spec is the threshold for the quoted S/N ratio figures and the AVP should be sensitive enough to work with the DL-160.

Ordinarily I would advise people to steer clear of built in phono stages on AV amps ( they are usually included as an afterthought) but because the AVP does everything else so well, it is worth a shot. Let us know what you think.

Its never good when product launches are delayed for unspecified reasons

Very true

Ah, I see another one is also having fun with telnet-style API's

Yep, even though it's accessed via Ethernet, the underlying interface is dumb TTY CLI - style.

So best to program for that mode.

As an old hat at dealing with navigating those interfaces (back in the mid-'90's I used to be the Dev manager for Crosstalk communications products, anyone remember CASL programming?), I never assume a given output state given a specific input. Always check current state before issuing a new command.
And yes, patience is a virtue when dealing with this style of interface.

But I totally agree, it's 2009, there should we a WebServices style interface into the thing.

What product has been delayed?

Hi all, hope all is been going well. I am well and truly into the swing of setting up the HT room properly now (between work days that is).

The questions i have is 1st instead of mounting the Sides and Rears on the wall, would it be ok to mount/place them on top of solid book shelves. The book case i am looking at is below, LINK HERE, Black, White, Beechwood,



Assembled size
Width: 44 cm
Depth: 39 cm
Height: 185 cm
Max load/shelf: 13 kg

The side speakers are Aaron's HSS-600 (thanks to a nice forum member) and rears will be Energy Pro 3.5's(PDF 600kb).

Lastly i read a few pages back about talk of SACD's and players etc. More a question for the Aus guys, is where is the best place to get them from or should i not really bother to adding it to my collection and start building a BD Music library.

Thanks Again Guys.

Does the AVP have a feature similar to the Theta Casablanca's "center channel spread"? This feature basically allows a user defined amount of center channel signal to be redistributed to the left and right main speakers. In essence, 0 would be no effect (100% center channel signal to center speaker) and 100 would essentially mimic phantom mode.

I ask because I may have to place my Maggie CC3 center channel speaker below my pending projector screen (in route) about a foot above the floor. A CC3 owner recently reported that voices reproduced by his center placed this way (below a RPTV) was easily localized and disconnected from the screen image.

My understaning is that Theta's center channel spread was specifically developed to address this issue.

Eric

I should not be the one to throw stones since my room setup has no relationship to audio quality, but...

I think you would be OK for the rears if you could point the speakers down to the listener, but these are probably too high for the side surrounds. They need to be more at the listeners ear level and just behind from the diagrams I have seen. Will the side surrounds fit onto one of the shelves vs on top?

Hey Chris. Thanks for the quick reply mate. I see the point your making about the height aspect of the speakers, i completely forgot about that (530am here LOL).

There are various other versions/models that range in height from as low as 79 cm (bit low) EXPEDIT 4*4, 106 cm BILLY 3 Shelf, 128 cm BESTA 4 Shelves. The BESTA might be the best bet for the sides and 146 cmEXPEDIT 4*2 for the rears (couple little rubber feet to tilt down).

The other reason for the Bookcase type idea, is then when can keep various Memorabilia on the other shelves. Unfortunately the the shelves in the EXPEDIT series are not moveable so speakers will not fit.

Thanks Again (Back to page 341).

Scott

If my calculation is right, the bookcase is just over 6 feet tall (I wish the US would switch to metric like the rest of the industrialized world ). I think that will work fine for your side surrounds. My potential concern (and it's not a big one) about your rears would be if you're sitting to close to them for the sound from the Energy's drivers to disperse properly for a proper tonal balance (example: if you're sitting a meter from speakers elevated two meters above the floor). Audyssey, may be able to compensate for this via equalization, or perhaps you could point the Energy's toward your listening position. Again, this only applies if you're too close the the rears. If you have some distance they should work just fine too.

By the way, I ran into a similar situation (but perhaps for different reasons than yours) about mounting surround speakers. I live in a rental home at present so I don't want to punch too many holes in the wall. Thus, I came up with the following solution for my Maggie MMG-W side and rear surrounds (assist goes to the Magnepan Users Group):


Eric

Hi Eric. Another thanks for the reply. The first pic is of my room before anything has ben setup (purpose is for before and after shots).



This one is a Google Sketchup with measurements to give an idea of size of the room. The front lounge will be recliners (not a 2/3 seater like the rear seat) and is were 99.9% of watching listening will be done from.



Hope that clears it up a bit and explains things some more.

The denon DVD-A1UD, the new flagship bluray player.

Daniel.

Scott, the Sketchup drawing does clear things up (I love Sketchup by the way and I'm using it to design two homes at present). With those distances and your use of the front recliner for the most part, I personally think you'll be fine with the speakers on top of the bookcases you have in mind. Your side surrounds are either di or bi-poles (I didn't read the specifics in link you provided) so you'll still get an effective surround effect with the speaker elevated above ear level. If you believe in the THX concept of side surrounds, listeners should primarily hear the reflected sound from these speakers, not direct sound. Indeed, several speaker manufactures use dipole surrounds with drivers that face front and rear only and no driver facing listeners. At times, I've had to use the poor man's surround by taking monopoles like your Energy's and pointing the drivers at the ceiling (on top of bookshelves as tall as yours). It actually worked quite well, especially if they were complemented with monopolar rears in a 7.1 setup.

Further, I think you have enough distance from your main listening position to the rear wall that your Energy's will work well without tilt placed on top of the the bookcases you have in mind.

That's my two cents-others may differ.

Eric

Til when? Talmadge, in his interview, said there were some on the way...

Am I missing something?

For those that are interested, I'll answer my own question. The AVP does indeed have a similar feature like Theta's center channel spread. On the AVP, it's called "center image" (Pg 51 in the manual).

I believe this is only active when using DPLIIx on stereo material... perhaps comeone can confirm (my Denon is out of my theater right now.)

You're mostly right FilmMixer: Specifically "center image" applies to Neo6 Music mode (Pg 90 matix). There is another center spread feature called "center width that only applies to Dolby ProLogic IIx Music mode.

Good catch for you, sucks for me, though I'm going to proceed with my center speaker placement anyway (below the projecton screen) and hope for the best.

Eric

Placing them at ear level at times can cause distraction while having them up pointing down opens up the rear imaging more. But then again Scott see what works for you.

I'm currently using the Linksys WRT54GX2 wireless G router. I would like to get a more robust router. For example, my AVP is not in a wireless friendly place. I was thinking maybe the WRT31ON wireless N gigabit router will do the trick. A lot of you guys are much more router savvy than I. Any suggestions?

The latest news is an April release.

Hey there Waboman. I ripped my copy of "High Voltage" and iTunes grabbed the cover art for me. So not sure why it didn't grab it for you? On the discussion about the ATV etc. do any of you have a PS3/XBOX 360 at all. I only ask as i have both and have read with great interest about the ATV and being able to control with iPhone (which the wife and i have). My point is, is it worth getting an ATV for Music/Video streaming purposes when the only benefit i can is the use of the iPhone for control purposes (please correct me if i am wrong).


Hey they Frank, do you have a link to this interview at all. If it was already posted i apologise as i must have missed the link.


Just saying Hi Tasso (not replying to the quote), at the same time you do have a good point.


Hi again Frank. Since you had similar Side speakers, would you say they would be better placed in front, in line or just behind seating position. Then what height. I'm not disregarding the previous responses, just after Franks op' as he had similar speakers. The other query would be are the Aaron's best for the Sides and the Energy's for the rears or vice versa.

One more question. Regarding my wall plates, is it best to put "Naked" wire into the back of the plate or use Banana plugs. I was planing on using Banana plugs from the front of the plates to the AMP (POA) end of the cable.

Cheers