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post #10591 of 25091
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Originally Posted by Shutterman View Post

So true, tassop. Given the slowdown in demand for just about everything in the economy, it seems counterintuitive that the price is going up. However, I think there's a good chance we're seeing more the effect of rather large currency exchange rate changes than anything else.

Economist/finance types like me call this the currency risk factor when projecting costs. It was probably over two years ago (or more) when the numbers were run and funding allocated before they went into production. Even the best of 'em couldn't have forseen the economic chaos we have right now.

Just speculating here, but there might also be a conscious effort on the part of management to let their higher priced units absorb more of the financial impact than their lower priced units. Elacticity of demand coeffiecents are different at each price strata. In other words, the folks buying multi thousand dollar players are less likely to react to a bigger percentage change in price than those buying on the lower end of the scale would be to a smaller percentage change.

Bottom line...seeking to gain excessive profits may not be the motivating factor here. More likely they're just like everyone else in these dire times and doing what they can to get through them. However, in times of turmoil mistakes in strategy are easily made. Changing the price on this unit to such a large degree may prove to be one of them.

On the other hand, it's entirely possible I'm all wet about all of this and don't know what the heck I'm talking about! It wouldn't be the first time.

I agree that their pricing strategy is a bit puzzling. But they may be conditioning us so we think we are getting a bargain when the real world prices are lower than the MSRP. I just hope they don't restrict supply to keep the prices up.
post #10592 of 25091
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Trust me if I won the Lottery i would buy it.

Me too - want to go halves in a ticket?
post #10593 of 25091
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Originally Posted by locutus2k View Post

In my experience the THX PP on the AVP works much better than on other pre/pro. Especially if you have a THX Ultra2 subwoofer, enabling it along with Boundary Gain Compensation results in a much fuller sound, full of impact.
Give it a try.

I was wondering who else got some benefit with the bass management BGC. I have 2 x 1000 watt B&W subs and with all the THX management the bass is beautifully controlled, but with serious impact when required.
post #10594 of 25091
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Originally Posted by Aesculus View Post

Fair enough but then why the big push for DL4, which is only available on the AVP and the 5308?

To be all things to all people - and live up to the name "Universal"
post #10595 of 25091
if looking for a denon universal and the a1 seeming out of reach have patience guys, denonjeff said in his last interview there would be trickle down. have no doubt in a year or so we'll see true universals in the denon 3800 range level and the like. as denon used to have in previous generations at no so stratospheric price range.
post #10596 of 25091
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Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

if looking for a denon universal and the a1 seeming out of reach have patience guys, denonjeff said in his last interview there would be trickle down. have no doubt in a year or so we'll see true universals in the denon 3800 range level and the like. as denon used to have in previous generations at no so stratospheric price range.

The universal aspect is not a big deal for me. Its only picture and sound quality that will influence me to shell out that kind of cash for a disc spinner.(As I did with the 5910). I am hoping that some A/B comparisons with other players will reveal whether the PQ is better.
post #10597 of 25091
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Originally Posted by tassop View Post

Me too - want to go halves in a ticket?

Definitley
post #10598 of 25091
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Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

if looking for a denon universal and the a1 seeming out of reach have patience guys, denonjeff said in his last interview there would be trickle down. have no doubt in a year or so we'll see true universals in the denon 3800 range level and the like. as denon used to have in previous generations at no so stratospheric price range.

Hopefully one of the trickle down ones will be another transport.
post #10599 of 25091
Hi guys , just got in , and up the stairs ,first floor , with the heaviest 65 kilos ,i could imagine , ever.This thing is like a rock , and the weight can't be shifted.Pretty big box.
YEAH i just got it. Haven't opened it yet , cause it takes two to do that.
I;m thinking of all the changes i have to do to the rack , so that poa will fit in the last shelf , and i panick.
I will post as soon as i unpack it and put it on the rack and on.
post #10600 of 25091
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

Hi guys , just got in , and up the stairs ,first floor , with the heaviest 65 kilos ,i could imagine , ever.This thing is like a rock , and the weight can't be shifted.Pretty big box.
YEAH i just got it. Haven't opened it yet , cause it takes two to do that.
I;m thinking of all the changes i have to do to the rack , so that poa will fit in the last shelf , and i panick.
I will post as soon as i unpack it and put it on the rack and on.

Good on you Jomark, I know what you mean by heavy. I had my mate help me when I purchased the both and to help me install them. i've left mine on the bottom of the rack I did not want to see that crashing on top of another component. let us know of your impression.
post #10601 of 25091
Yeah Frank , mine will go on the bottom also, not because i worry of it crushing down , but because og the weight that can't be lifted 1.10m up.
I will let you know , but first i've got to find someone to help me unpack it , and move it , then reconfigure the rack , then put the monster on the bottom and sure that one is not going to be my wife.
Thank's for the wishes though.
post #10602 of 25091
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

Hi guys , just got in , and up the stairs ,first floor , with the heaviest 65 kilos ,i could imagine , ever.This thing is like a rock , and the weight can't be shifted.Pretty big box.
YEAH i just got it. Haven't opened it yet , cause it takes two to do that.
I;m thinking of all the changes i have to do to the rack , so that poa will fit in the last shelf , and i panick.
I will post as soon as i unpack it and put it on the rack and on.

Congrats Jo. Don't forget when lifting, bend the knees!
post #10603 of 25091
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Originally Posted by Aesculus View Post

Fair enough but then why the big push for DL4, which is only available on the AVP and the 5308?

Largley because Denon Link has worked out quite well and if it were able to send high rez codecs too then it would be an asset. But again when we're talking about the uber Denon, it is such a waste to pay for the analog section if you're just going to use it as a transport with the AVP. Now if the next gen 2500 had DL4 & SACD - that would be the ticket! (Oh and add automatic source direct too.)
post #10604 of 25091
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

Largley because Denon Link has worked out quite well and if it were able to send high rez codecs too then it would be an asset. But again when we're talking about the uber Denon, it is such a waste to pay for the analog section if you're just going to use it as a transport with the AVP. Now if the next gen 2500 had DL4 & SACD - that would be the ticket! (Oh and add automatic source direct too.)

I agree. With the current specs they are selling to a tiny fraction of customers who are not even Denon customers. With what you described they could have picked up most of the AVP owners and kept the install base clean. Who is doing product planning/marketing at Denon? They need a wakeup call. The uber Denon may be that wakeup call when they only sell a handful but were expecting a significant amount of the AVP and 5308 install base.
post #10605 of 25091
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Originally Posted by Aesculus View Post

I agree. With the current specs they are selling to a tiny fraction of customers who are not even Denon customers. With what you described they could have picked up most of the AVP owners and kept the install base clean. Who is doing product planning/marketing at Denon? They need a wakeup call. The uber Denon may be that wakeup call when they only sell a handful but were expecting a significant amount of the AVP and 5308 install base.

I think Denon are simply aiming at producing the best A/V disc spinner, period. It can't have a reputation for being the best unless it has the substance to be so. Recognition for which will have benefits across the entire product range.

I also think Denon know that there are a band of people who simply want the best anyway and who will not be deterred by the fact that much of the package will be redundant with the AVP. They would figure that these issues didn't stop sales of the 5910 or its effect of enhancing the product range.
post #10606 of 25091
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

Hi guys , just got in , and up the stairs ,first floor , with the heaviest 65 kilos ,i could imagine , ever.This thing is like a rock , and the weight can't be shifted.Pretty big box.
YEAH i just got it. Haven't opened it yet , cause it takes two to do that.
I;m thinking of all the changes i have to do to the rack , so that poa will fit in the last shelf , and i panick.
I will post as soon as i unpack it and put it on the rack and on.

congrats...

Oops did we forget to warn you its kinda big and heavy . Installing a POA is indeed a interesting job basicly the 'install once and never move again' type.

One tip don't change _any_ setting on the back of the amp except the control that has to be set to '1'. than connect the link cable between the avp and poa. Next don't panic if you don't get sound right away. You need to goto the option menu on the avp to setup the amps. Don't forget to put all 10 channels to xlr instead of rca i missed one the first time and it freaked me out figuring i had broken channel.

As a side note the poa does 'protect' itself i had a loose connection of one of my speakers a few weeks back and the amp shut itself down with a red blinking power light. It would only boot up again once i fixed the somewhat loose connection.

Daniel.
post #10607 of 25091
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Originally Posted by Aesculus View Post

Fair enough but then why the big push for DL4, which is only available on the AVP and the 5308?

I don't think denon provided any info on this. But why do you assume that all the lower models can't have a update for DL4 (the ones that now have DL3).

Daniel.
post #10608 of 25091
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

I don't think denon provided any info on this. But why do you assume that all the lower models can't have a update for DL4 (the ones that now have DL3).

Daniel.

I actually read that also that the avp and the 5308 are the only two units that will be getting the upgrade to dl 4
post #10609 of 25091
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Originally Posted by tassop View Post

I think Denon are simply aiming at producing the best A/V disc spinner, period. It can't have a reputation for being the best unless it has the substance to be so. Recognition for which will have benefits across the entire product range.

I also think Denon know that there are a band of people who simply want the best anyway and who will not be deterred by the fact that much of the package will be redundant with the AVP. They would figure that these issues didn't stop sales of the 5910 or its effect of enhancing the product range.

I think your reasoning (on Denon's behalf ) is probably correct, tassop. But here's where I see the flaw in this argument, and it applies to the new Pioneer 09FD as well:

Maybe they are indeed aiming to make the best possible player for the high-end market. But they seem to start from the assumption that the high-end consumer, who can and will spend $2-4K on a Blu-Ray player, doesn't already own any high-end gear! They designed these players as if we're all still using our first analog receiver or something! All the expensive audio technology in these players is utterly redundant for most (not all, I know, but most) of the people who would consider these players.

I simply don't undertsand the logic of this.
post #10610 of 25091
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

congrats...

Oops did we forget to warn you its kinda big and heavy . Installing a POA is indeed a interesting job basicly the 'install once and never move again' type.

One tip don't change _any_ setting on the back of the amp except the control that has to be set to '1'. than connect the link cable between the avp and poa. Next don't panic if you don't get sound right away. You need to goto the option menu on the avp to setup the amps. Don't forget to put all 10 channels to xlr instead of rca i missed one the first time and it freaked me out figuring i had broken channel.

As a side note the poa does 'protect' itself i had a loose connection of one of my speakers a few weeks back and the amp shut itself down with a red blinking power light. It would only boot up again once i fixed the somewhat loose connection.

Daniel.

You mean that it won't boot up at all with rca's?Sounds funny enough.I was going to connect it to avp with rca's.Are you shure it's not gona work?
.
Because if it doesn't i've got a problem and need to go out and shop some xlr's tomorrow first thing in the morning.
Thanks for the congrat's though
post #10611 of 25091
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

I think your reasoning (on Denon's behalf ) is probably correct, tassop. But here's where I see the flaw in this argument, and it applies to the new Pioneer 09FD as well:

Maybe they are indeed aiming to make the best possible player for the high-end market. But they seem to start from the assumption that the high-end consumer, who can and will spend $2-4K on a Blu-Ray player, doesn't already own any high-end gear! They designed these players as if we're all still using our first analog receiver or something! All the expensive audio technology in these players is utterly redundant for most (not all, I know, but most) of the people who would consider these players.

I simply don't undertsand the logic of this.

Yeah me too prog. What are they thinking?
I suppose they could make a transport version of the a1 , like they did with the 3800, 2500 , case.
post #10612 of 25091
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

I suppose they could make a transport version of the a1 , like they did with the 3800, 2500 , case.

Let's hope.

BTW, congrats on the new amp! And I like your new user description: "AVP-POA-BT user"
post #10613 of 25091
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

Yeah me too prog. What are they thinking?
I suppose they could make a transport version of the a1 , like they did with the 3800, 2500 , case.

Exactly, for me I don't really need analog
post #10614 of 25091
I apologize that this is so far afield, but I can't find a specific thread for this, and there are people here who are really into ripping & streaming their music. Anyone with a response can PM me if they prefer.

Does anyone know if there is a way to edit .flac or .wav files, or insert track breaks? I obtained a RAR compressed copy of a three CD set, where each disc contains four songs. But once I expanded the files, the four songs run together as one track. I really don't know if it was mastered this way originally, but I find it really inconvenient and want to break them up. Any suggestions?
post #10615 of 25091
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

I apologize that this is so far afield, but I can't find a specific thread for this, and there are people here who are really into ripping & streaming their music. Anyone with a response can PM me if they prefer.

Does anyone know if there is a way to edit .flac or .wav files, or insert track breaks? I obtained a RAR compressed copy of a three CD set, where each disc contains four songs. But once I expanded the files, the four songs run together as one track. I really don't know if it was mastered this way originally, but I find it really inconvenient and want to break them up. Any suggestions?

No experience but a Google search came up with these two:
http://www.medieval.it/content/view/28/70/
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/...howtopic=50113
post #10616 of 25091
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Originally Posted by tassop View Post

I think Denon are simply aiming at producing the best A/V disc spinner, period. It can't have a reputation for being the best unless it has the substance to be so. Recognition for which will have benefits across the entire product range.

I also think Denon know that there are a band of people who simply want the best anyway and who will not be deterred by the fact that much of the package will be redundant with the AVP. They would figure that these issues didn't stop sales of the 5910 or its effect of enhancing the product range.

I would agree there, just like the 5910 the a1 looks like it will be the best they can do adding BD, DL4 capablity and true balanced XLR capablity on top of the 5910. and from the looks at it. I suspect those buying it have already worked out its a "must have" for their own reasons and like the 5910 which was worth a quite bit imagine they'll sell a few of these as well regardless of the rrp its pegged at
post #10617 of 25091
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

I think your reasoning (on Denon's behalf ) is probably correct, tassop. But here's where I see the flaw in this argument, and it applies to the new Pioneer 09FD as well:

Maybe they are indeed aiming to make the best possible player for the high-end market. But they seem to start from the assumption that the high-end consumer, who can and will spend $2-4K on a Blu-Ray player, doesn't already own any high-end gear! They designed these players as if we're all still using our first analog receiver or something! All the expensive audio technology in these players is utterly redundant for most (not all, I know, but most) of the people who would consider these players.

I simply don't undertsand the logic of this.

Sometimes I think Denon and other electronics manufacturers know us better than we think. I think they reason that people who buy high end gear are certainly discerning and appreciate quality , performance and technology. However, one element missing in the buying paradigm for enthusiasts of high end gear that is present for the same people in other purchasing decisions is necessity.

I think they know that people will buy it because it appeals to all those things that motivate buyers of high end equipment. And they have to load it with all the goodies to appeal to everyone.
post #10618 of 25091
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

You mean that it won't boot up at all with rca's?Sounds funny enough.I was going to connect it to avp with rca's.Are you shure it's not gona work?
.
Because if it doesn't i've got a problem and need to go out and shop some xlr's tomorrow first thing in the morning.
Thanks for the congrat's though

You can certainly use RCA's. I think Danielo assumed you would use XLR and was advising you to ensure had the switches on the POA correctly set. If you do use RCA, they should all be set to RCA on the rear panel.
post #10619 of 25091
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Originally Posted by Aesculus View Post

No experience but a Google search came up with these two:
http://www.medieval.it/content/view/28/70/
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/...howtopic=50113

Thanks Chris!! I might have to actually read a little bit, but it looks like I should find a solution in one of those.
post #10620 of 25091
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Originally Posted by tassop View Post

You can certainly use RCA's. I think Danielo assumed you would use XLR and was advising you to ensure had the switches on the POA correctly set. If you do use RCA, they should all be set to RCA on the rear panel.

Indeed. It will work but its not what you would expect to use. The combo has been designed as a fully balanced system. Your denon dealer should have advised you to start using xlr. So no need to run to the store you can start with rca but i would slowly walk to the store and get xlr cables anyway.

also don't change any switches on the back of the POA leave them all as they are except the control switch put that to '1'. attach the cable between the poa and avp. The AVP will fully control/override all the switches on tha POA.

glad to see more AVP-POA-BT users .

Daniel.
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