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post #14221 of 25097
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Originally Posted by locutus2k View Post


Question: is Denon aware of the thing? Is an AVP bug related (as i suppose) or A1UD?
Does someone has some word of mouth/news on how Denon is treating this bug?

I was confident that this last update would resolve the bug, but is not

I am beginning to think this is the way it works: that Denon does not consider it a bug...
post #14222 of 25097
That's a pity because i need to use both outputs and every time i have to unplug/plug to make it work correctly.
post #14223 of 25097
13 minute updatem, no problems. No perceived benefit, but no problems...
post #14224 of 25097
Almost same here 3 mins update went smooth as usual , no difference , i mean substantial , that worths to say something for.
post #14225 of 25097
Well we can never say Denon does not gives us updates.
post #14226 of 25097
I got a nice surprise today, I thought my good friend & dealer got me a very good deal on the S8 v.2's because they're coming out with with the v.3's... when lo & behold a nice shiny pair of v.3's arrived!! Pics to follow... I gotta go buy a lottery ticket!
post #14227 of 25097
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

I got a nice surprise today, I thought my good friend & dealer got me a very good deal on the S8 v.2's because they're coming out with with the v.3's... when lo & behold a nice shiny pair of v.3's arrived!! Pics to follow... I gotta go buy a lottery ticket!

Not fair why don't these things happen to me .

Congrats i hope you ordered them in piano black ?

Daniel.
post #14228 of 25097
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Well we can never say Denon does not gives us updates.

What we can say is they should provide updates about the updates. There system is near perfect but how hard can it be to put 'this update does xxx' in the update screen ?

Daniel.
post #14229 of 25097
One other change to my system was the additon of a PS Audio GCA-100. I bought it to swap the 500w modules out of my GCA-MC in order to have a dedicated amp for my mains, the 100's modules went into the GCA-MC to power my IB sub instead of the plate amps I was using.
post #14230 of 25097
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Not fair why don't these things happen to me .

Congrats i hope you ordered them in piano black ?

Daniel.

Well, all things considered this industry has made stupid money off my OCD so it's nice to catch a break!

Nope, Cherry - that's what my HT's accent wood is (and CC too).
post #14231 of 25097
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

What we can say is they should provide updates about the updates. There system is near perfect but how hard can it be to put 'this update does xxx' in the update screen ?

Daniel.

Have you read the direct translations? They make no sense at all. First someone in Denon Japan needs to understand English in order to to create a discription that is meaninful.
post #14232 of 25097
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Originally Posted by Aesculus View Post

Have you read the direct translations? They make no sense at all. First someone in Denon Japan needs to understand English in order to to create a discription that is meaninful.

I'm not sure that would help. I don't think CE makers like to reveal too much about this stuff, as that would create very specific expectations on our end. As long as we don't really know what updates were supposed to to, we can't say whether they were effective or not.
post #14233 of 25097
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

I got a nice surprise today, I thought my good friend & dealer got me a very good deal on the S8 v.2's because they're coming out with with the v.3's... when lo & behold a nice shiny pair of v.3's arrived!! Pics to follow... I gotta go buy a lottery ticket!

The value of having a dealer that like cannot be overemphasized.

I'm glad he/she provided more than you expected: A lot of companies talk about good customer service. Your experience is good customer service.

Eric
post #14234 of 25097
Though I've owned my current AVP for several months, I've only started movie playback in ernest over the past few nights. Last night, I played Kung Fu Panda on blu-ray (wonderful movie!) and encountered something that proved to be rather annoying. I watched the trailers first which were not encoded in Dolby True HD like the main movie (I believe the trailers used stereo PCM but I'd have to double-check with the AVP's audio signal monitor to be sure). I set the AVP's master volume to -4 db for the trailers which was loud, but not uncomfortably so (the level I like for movies in general). When the main movie started and Dobly True HD engaged the volume dropped a bit. Not in an abrupt way but just enough that I instinctively wanted a bit more gain. So I raised the volume on the AVP but it maxed out at -7 db. This was a bit lower than I wanted but I had no choice. The AVP's volume bar stopped at -7 db. Then things got more interesting. I cycled through several THX surround modes to try and get a feel for which one I preferred as the movie played. Each time I selected a different mode and checked the max gain the AVP allowed, it dropped .5 db (-7.5, -8.0, -8.5 etc). Once the max level dropped to -11 db it fell no further; meaning I could choose different surround modes and consistantly raise the master volume to -11 db, but no higher (which is too low for most of the movies I watch). I've experienced no adverse effect with lowering the master volume; it would drop to inaudablility as expected by holding the - volume rocker.

After replaying the trailers and few minutes of the main movie several times, I found a correlation. When I increased the gain on the trailer, the max gain allowed on the main movie also increased. Specifically, when I played the trailers at -0 db (very loud), the main movie would allow a max volume of -3 db, which proved to be the level I wanted more or less. However, if I cycled through the surround modes (THX and non-THX) I experienced the same .5 db drop in max gain allowed again per mode until settling at the floor of -11 db.

Another interesting tidbit: Following the blu-ray title, I tried a DVD with no movie trailer (though it does have a nice music preamble-Star Trek The Motion Picture-Director's Cut). I don't recall the max volume the AVP allowed (I was tired at this point) but it was easily as loud as I could stand and then some. Thus, so far this volume issue appears unique to the blu-ray source.

One more thing: The max volume I could set on the blu-ray movie trailers was + 2 db (uncomfortably loud, but I just wanted to see what the threshold was for troubleshooting purposes). Conversely, on two-channel music played from my HTPC in pure-direct mode (a different source from the dedicated blu-ray player I use for movies), the master volume can consistantly go as high as + 16 db.

In summary, I can get the volume I need for blu-ray movies by raising the gain on its trailers first, but should I have to do this at all? What's going on here? Is there a setting in the blu-ray player (Panasonic DMP-BD30) that I need to change? I've never experienced anything like this previously.

Thanks.

Eric
post #14235 of 25097
Wow, Eric that's a puzzler - I know I've experienced volume cuts when engaging some of the post processing like THX+PLIIx, but never noticed a problem getting enough gain on the actually volume control. I know there's settings for the volume control like maximum gain and start-up volume etc., I wonder if that's engaged and affecting things?
post #14236 of 25097
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Originally Posted by elockett View Post

In summary, I can get the volume I need for blu-ray movies by raising the gain on its trailers first, but should I have to do this at all? What's going on here? Is there a setting in the blu-ray player (Panasonic DMP-BD30) that I need to change? I've never experienced anything like this previously.

Thanks.

Eric

Hmm, that does seem odd. I've never had an issue getting enough volume out of any content. And mine starts to get really loud around -20dB or so; I don't think we have ever come close to playing anything at -4dB.
post #14237 of 25097
Whew! I'm glad this worked out in the end Mark. That was a scary scenario you described.

Eric




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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

it made it

I had to do a microprocessor reset and it works now

now I have to reload all my settings

this is a good reminder for you guys to save your settings

I will be reluctant to try another FW update for a while though
post #14238 of 25097
I experience those same mometary volume cuts when switching surround modes but the .5 db max volume cut was unexpected to say the least.

That's good advice to check the AVP's volume control settings. I never explicity touched them but I don't know how they're set either.

I'm also going to watch a few more movies (DVD and blu-ray) over the next few evenings to see if the KFP disc was a fluke.

Eric


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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

Wow, Eric that's a puzzler - I know I've experienced volume cuts when engaging some of the post processing like THX+PLIIx, but never noticed a problem getting enough gain on the actually volume control. I know there's settings for the volume control like maximum gain and start-up volume etc., I wonder if that's engaged and affecting things?
post #14239 of 25097
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Hmm, that does seem odd. I've never had an issue getting enough volume out of any content. And mine starts to get really loud around -20dB or so; I don't think we have ever come close to playing anything at -4dB.

Yeah same here, for movies between -15db to -20db and with M/C music I get to concert levels at about -10db to -8db and a little higher with 2ch.
post #14240 of 25097
-20 would be too low on my rig for practially all content or sources I listen to. I'm listening to a uncompressed Johnny Cash CD now streamed from my NAS at -15 db ("moderate" volume) via the AVP's master volume control and that's about as low as I have gone for any CD in my collection. I have to turn the gain up to - 6 or 7 for many ablums, and even 0 to + 2 db for a few of them (mainly orchestral works for whatever reason).

I think differences in power amp input sensitivity and RCA versus XLR I/O could account for some of this, though my main speakers are pretty effecient. As a practical matter, I've really had no compliants about my AVP's volume until my movie experience with KFP last night. Indeed, if I could run the volume as high as +16 db on movies like I can for my music source, I'd really have no problem at all. Not that I would ever play any source or content at anything near +16 db. I'm just saying it would be nice to have that headroom for all sources.

IMS, didn't other AVP owner's complain about lack of gain on their units early on in this thread?

I'll experiment some more, and if I can't come up with a good solution within this thread, I'll contact Denon tech support and see what they have to say about it.

Eric



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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Hmm, that does seem odd. I've never had an issue getting enough volume out of any content. And mine starts to get really loud around -20dB or so; I don't think we have ever come close to playing anything at -4dB.
post #14241 of 25097
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Originally Posted by elockett View Post

-20 would be too low on my rig for practially all content or sources I listen to. I'm listening to a uncompressed Johnny Cash CD now streamed from my NAS at -15 db ("moderate" volume) via the AVP's master volume control and that's about as low as I have gone for any CD in my collection. I have to turn the gain up to - 6 or 7 for many ablums, and even 0 to + 2 db for a few of them (mainly orchestral works for whatever reason).

Yikes - I'd be wearing earplugs at those volume levels.

I think differences in power amp input sensitivity and RCA versus XLR I/O could account for some of this, though my main speakers are pretty effecient.[/quote]
Proper speaker calibration (or a good Audyssey run) should acount for things like power amp input sensitivity, RCA/XLR connections, and/or speaker sensitivity. The only significant variable here should be what each of us considers loud. I typically listen to TV at about -20 and movies at about -10 and it's usually plenty loud - I adjust accordingly for loud or quiet program material.
post #14242 of 25097
In late August, I checked with two different (well known) B&M shops in town regarding the AVP A1HD. Both told me it was a special order item. I went with the one that gave me the best deal. The catch was that I would have to wait a month for delivery.

I'm upgrading the whole system, so I'm just stacking things up as they come in. The speakers will still be a while, so I'm not really in that much of a hurry. I hope to have everything up and running by early to mid December.

Today I received an e-mail saying the AVP A1HD was still on backorder. I just thought I'd ask if others had a bit of a wait to get their unit.

Thanks,
Chris
post #14243 of 25097
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Originally Posted by ctouhey View Post

In late August, I checked with two different (well known) B&M shops in town regarding the AVP A1HD. Both told me it was a special order item. I went with the one that gave me the best deal. The catch was that I would have to wait a month for delivery.

I'm upgrading the whole system, so I'm just stacking things up as they come in. The speakers will still be a while, so I'm not really in that much of a hurry. I hope to have everything up and running by early to mid December.

Today I received an e-mail saying the AVP A1HD was still on backorder. I just thought I'd ask if others had a bit of a wait to get their unit.

Thanks,
Chris

At this point? When I bought mine last year I had to wait a few days just because the local Magnollia did not stock it and had to get it from the warehouse.
post #14244 of 25097
Congrats on your purchase Chris.
A lot of people on this thread were early adopters and had ordered the unit before it was released - so they had to wait..
I'm not surprised at it being back-ordered since with this economy inventories will kept low and it could be a "made to order" product because of that.
post #14245 of 25097
Chris: have you updated the firmware? I remember there were volume issues with early firmwares, maybe your unit comes with a old fw revision.
post #14246 of 25097
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by locutus2k View Post

The DL4 jitter free function of the A1UD player matched to the AVP has a bug. I think the bug is present on the integrated models, too.

- A1UD connected by HDMI+DL4 to AVP does not work (the third blue light does not come out) if both the AVP HDMI outs are connected at the same time.

- In some cases it doesn't work also if the HDMI 1 output *only* of the AVP is in use.

- It *always* work if HDMI output #2 *only* of the AVP is in use

I've seen/heard of many users who confirmed the bug. Some dealer, too, suggest to use only hdmi ouput #2 on the AVP to avoid this issue.

Question: is Denon aware of the thing? Is an AVP bug related (as i suppose) or A1UD?
Does someone has some word of mouth/news on how Denon is treating this bug?

I was confident that this last update would resolve the bug, but is not

Both jomark911 and myself have informed Gene DellaSala over at Audioholics about this issue. He is in contact with Denon Japan about this, and they are looking into the issue. Hopefully a solution for this will be offered soon.


Seth
post #14247 of 25097
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Originally Posted by locutus2k View Post

Chris: have you updated the firmware? I remember there were volume issues with early firmwares, maybe your unit comes with a old fw revision.

All the problems where before the Dynamic Volume update so if that is installed its not the issue i had, With the AVP and POA combo i never go over to the + side infact i have it locked at +0dB. Keep in mind that dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume when turned on can have some weird effects on sources like music make sure esp. dynamic volume is not turned on by mistake.

Just to be complete here is the 'old' dynamic eq bug we had on the AVP about 5 months ago : http://www.xs4all.nl/~daniel/ht/avpbug.wmv the volume went up by itself about 25dB.


Daniel.
post #14248 of 25097
Hai,

Just because the topic has come up, and i feel this is also a good indication on when and if we can expect a AVP update. Copy from a different thread :

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I emailed Jeff Talmadge, director of product development for Denon NA about availability of the AVP-CIX. Here's his reply:

"That project is on hold till next summer at the earliest, sorry to inform you."
-----------

So probably atleast a year away from shipping since this means they things and are doing a redesign probably based on some 1.4 items (my guess).

Daniel.
post #14249 of 25097
Quote:
Originally Posted by elockett View Post

Though I've owned my current AVP for several months, I've only started movie playback in ernest over the past few nights. Last night, I played Kung Fu Panda on blu-ray (wonderful movie!) and encountered something that proved to be rather annoying. I watched the trailers first which were not encoded in Dolby True HD like the main movie (I believe the trailers used stereo PCM but I'd have to double-check with the AVP's audio signal monitor to be sure). I set the AVP's master volume to -4 db for the trailers which was loud, but not uncomfortably so (the level I like for movies in general). When the main movie started and Dobly True HD engaged the volume dropped a bit. Not in an abrupt way but just enough that I instinctively wanted a bit more gain. So I raised the volume on the AVP but it maxed out at -7 db. This was a bit lower than I wanted but I had no choice. The AVP's volume bar stopped at -7 db. Then things got more interesting. I cycled through several THX surround modes to try and get a feel for which one I preferred as the movie played. Each time I selected a different mode and checked the max gain the AVP allowed, it dropped .5 db (-7.5, -8.0, -8.5 etc). Once the max level dropped to -11 db it fell no further; meaning I could choose different surround modes and consistantly raise the master volume to -11 db, but no higher (which is too low for most of the movies I watch). I've experienced no adverse effect with lowering the master volume; it would drop to inaudablility as expected by holding the - volume rocker.

After replaying the trailers and few minutes of the main movie several times, I found a correlation. When I increased the gain on the trailer, the max gain allowed on the main movie also increased. Specifically, when I played the trailers at -0 db (very loud), the main movie would allow a max volume of -3 db, which proved to be the level I wanted more or less. However, if I cycled through the surround modes (THX and non-THX) I experienced the same .5 db drop in max gain allowed again per mode until settling at the floor of -11 db.

Another interesting tidbit: Following the blu-ray title, I tried a DVD with no movie trailer (though it does have a nice music preamble-Star Trek The Motion Picture-Director's Cut). I don't recall the max volume the AVP allowed (I was tired at this point) but it was easily as loud as I could stand and then some. Thus, so far this volume issue appears unique to the blu-ray source.

One more thing: The max volume I could set on the blu-ray movie trailers was + 2 db (uncomfortably loud, but I just wanted to see what the threshold was for troubleshooting purposes). Conversely, on two-channel music played from my HTPC in pure-direct mode (a different source from the dedicated blu-ray player I use for movies), the master volume can consistantly go as high as + 16 db.

In summary, I can get the volume I need for blu-ray movies by raising the gain on its trailers first, but should I have to do this at all? What's going on here? Is there a setting in the blu-ray player (Panasonic DMP-BD30) that I need to change? I've never experienced anything like this previously.

Thanks.

Eric

Hi eric , i think -4db is quite loud, but if it's ok with you then no problem.
The point is it the volume should not max out - 11db in any way.
Check the volume's set up , to see if the limiter at 0 db or -10db or whatever else is activated.Also bare in miind that there are some differences in max volume allowed from source to source , and regarding the playback program, like true hd , dts hd master or 2 ch music .
Conclusion what you experienced must not be wright.
Check your settings and we'll talk again.



Edit , also as daniel says check the dynamic volume, personaly i have it deactivated.
post #14250 of 25097
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Yeah, I think it looks like a great addition to their line-up:


I just saw this comment posted on the 4810 thread:

Originally Posted by konoyaro View Post
I posted this in another Denon thread but since there's been speculation about the AVP-CIX here:

I emailed Jeff Talmadge, director of product development for Denon NA about availability of the AVP-CIX. Here's his reply:

"That project is on hold till next summer at the earliest, sorry to inform you."

Next summer at the EARLIEST? Ouch! My speculation is that Denon, after seeing the box as originally proposed didn't have the feature-set of the Onkyo's on the market, pulled it back in for a total re-design.

My decision to use the 4810 I bought on Tuesday as a pre-pro paired up with a POA is looking better-er & better-er!
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