Official Denon AVP-A1HD/AVP-A1HDCI and POA-A1HD/POA-A1HDCI owners thread. - Page 53

I took a quick look at your link and they make some interesting products. Are they Aussie only? I've never seen them here and didn't notice anything on the site about international dealers/distributors.

So did mine and have to say it's geting better! It's pissing down with rain at the moment over here and thunderstorms.Solution: everything Off!

That's what I'd expect, Seth. In fact, I'd expect any difference in your comparison to be a function of the players. Wouldn't you think that a digital signal coming in, regardless whether it's HDMI or optical, would get processed exactly the same in the AVP (assuming identical settings)? I haven't read the technical details on this, but it just seems to make sense.

Looking forward in getting my blu ray Transport in a couple of weeks!

Franin

are you near quennsland? my son went to bond university last semester.
he had the best time.
it only cost me 22k and i did get a nice boomerang.
i would love to visit don't know if i can handle the 23 hour flight.
he is very happy that i got the avp because now he gets my lexicon

No the other side in Western Australia. Queensland is where the most action is they have Warner Bros etc and it's were most tourist go.Where we are it's a very quite city compared to the rest.Yes I went to europe to see my sister and the long flight did not agree with me either.You happy with the AVP? I love it.

It's crazy, but the HDMI sound was dramatically worse than the coax or optical. My buddy was over, he's a pro-audio exec, ran a BIG recording technology company, and assured me that HDMI was not baked yet as an audio spec. I told him he was wrong, that digital was digital, but he convinced me to try the difference and waddaya know, he was right about the sound quality. Crazy, never read a thing about this, but I'm convinced.

Alebonau may be correct in that my amp ain't up to the task. I understand that lots of people like their Outlaws, but how can a first-gen $900 amp stand up to B&W Nautilus speakers driven by a $7k proc? Of course again this could be wishful thinking, and the issue could be the AVP. My concern is that I'm going to chase the issue with a new amp, new high-end cables, etc. and still not love where I'm at.

One question I asked earlier was in regards to the balanced vs. unbalanced outputs. Is there any chance that the balanced sound a lot better? I'm running unbalanced, so could that be an issue?

All-in-all I'm bummed. I really want the Denon AVP to live up to its billing. I need a super-configurable controller for all of my family's needs, and an 'esoteric' premium 2-channel system for music listening. If I can have it all in one box it is easily worth $7k. If not I'm back to square one, and not even sure if I can return the AVP.

Is anyone on this board using the AVP with a sub-standard amp? Is anyone else on this board not 100% happy with the sound of the AVP? Should I be calling Denon asking for their rep to come over & listen to my system?

Definitley give that a go!

HDMI sounding worse than Toslink makes absolutely no sense. The resolution and bandwidth requirements of the HDMI 1.3 standard alone should make it a certainty. I had a $500 Yamaha 663 here for a bit, it was 1.3, and frankly it didn't hold a back seat by much to anything I've heard prior. I definitely attributed that to HDMI 1.3.

Franin, you've go to give the Audyssey a go. If you're not to enamored with the thought of room EQ I believe the AVP gives you a "front" option where the Audyssey will not EQ your mains but will do the subs and surrounds. Audyssey's main strength is what it does for the bass frequencies - well worth a try IMO.

So how then do I describe the results?

Maybe - and I stress maybe - my DVD player is doing the D/A conversion (from a CD) and then sending the converted audio down the wire on the HDMI cable. It's a low-end DVD player, so my guess is the D/A converters are pure crap. In this case the whole thing would make sense, since I'd be comparing the analog outs of the DVD player to the AVP, which should smoke it.

However, the same held true for the Apple TV. When I switched the HDMI to Optical, the sound opened up. I can't imagine the Apple TV is doing D/A conversion internally.

BTW: On the DVD player, I sent the Optical to the AVP's CD input. So I can just toggle back-and-forth frokm CD input to DVD input and the same player is sending the same audio, and I can immediately hear the difference in inputs. Optical just kills the HDMI. As my buddy said, "it's like a whole new speaker system."

I'm going to keep tweaking and will report. I have a lot of lossless audio ready to test, I have an EQ ready to play with, and hopefully I can get the thing sounding right.

Again I ask: is there ANYONE on this board that has not been 100% happy with their AVP for music?

I don't question that you're having a problem with 2CH in your setup, but it seems a little premature to blame the whole HDMI spec for something that no other AVP users seem to be experiencing. It's true that HDMI is not fully "baked" in the sense that it is an evolving spec, but it's perfectly capable of conveying digital audio data, as evidenced by the millions of systems where it's probably doing exactly that at this very moment. Seth made the comparison you refer to and saw no real difference, and no one else has reported the problem either. Objectively, I really think the focus should remain on your particular AVP and setup.

Some posters have tried to offer suggestions here but you haven't responded to them yet. Specifically:

• What 2CH source are inputting via HDMI?
• Have you tried turning off Audyssey?
• Have you tried resetting to factory defaults and starting over?

Will do mate once room treatment is done.I've paid for it and now waiting for delivery and a time with the HAA caliobrator.Once thats all done I will do it to top it off.I was told by my HAA calibritor recently it does fnish it off quite nicely.BTW what time is it your end guys? it's 2:44pm over here!

Two thoughts.

• Some components will not output proper signals simultaneously through multiple outputs. From your description, it sounds like you are having your CD/DVD player and your Apple TV do exactly that in your testing. Disconnect the HDMI when outputting optical and vice versa. (I once tried to A/B test the component and HDMI output of my HD-TiVo, only to discover that the component signal was funky & unreliable if the HDMI cable was attached even only on the TiVo end.)
• It sounds like you're a little unsure about what your source equipment is outputting. This is critical. Check each source's settings (and manual) to ensure that the players themselves treat these outputs the same.

Like many others here, I've been with this thread from the start and this has not come up as an issue.

It's midnight here in the Pacific Northwest! I forget where the dateline is- is it Saturday afternoon for you?

yes Im at work at the moment!

On Saturday??? That supposed to be HT tweak & play day. Work should never interfere.

I'm sitting here watching David Letterman. Do you guys get him?

yes we do very late at night also! Unfortunaltey my day off is the Sunday and a day during the week.

Hey, I saw earlier that you're waiting for the Blu-Ray transport. I assume you mean the Denon 2500. I'm just curious to know whether it's replacing another BD player, and why you decided on that one?

It's going to be a region A.I mainly watch all HD movies and I will be replacing my SD player.I will then have 2 region B and 2 region A and 2 HD DVD players.

Yikes. You'll have them all hooked up simultaneously?

Yes, thats what 6 hdmi inputs are for! Love to know if Denon would be able to produce a BR player one day which can carry the new audio formats through the Denon Link.

I'm new to Denon with the AVP, so not terribly familiar with Denon link. I thought it was just a proprietary digital audio-only connection. What would be the advantage of carrying the audio signal over Denon Link versus HDMI?

It's late here. Will check for your response tomorrow.

TripleTapper - I was very impressed with the two reviews you posted and with this product! thank you. It seems they only offer a US model though and not something that will work for us in the UK... Anyone knows of anything of the same high quality result that will work in the UK? What I liked very much about the product TripleTapper wrote about is that the reviews clearly showed it worked, it wasn't over hyped, the fact the screen shows the current incoming and used power is very cool, and the battery option is a great way to shut-down the system or avoid temp power outages. I'm craving one now that will work for me in the UK ...

hi prog. denon link, like i-link that pio and sony used to use, is a jitter free conection which is unlike hdmi or coax/optical. the other benefit being a proprietory link is some other little niceties in use which I'm sure franin can let you know about as he has a 3930. denon link is particularly good for multichannel hdaudio eg dvda/sacd as dont need to worry about the vagaries of analog multichannel as its all handled over digital and jitter free.

I'm hoping one day denon does bring out a blu-ray player with denon link and dvd/sacd/dvda capability as their previous universal players used to. I'll just have to wait patiently till that comes

As Al explained thats the good thing about it is it's a Jitter free connection.It's just pure audio that can handle anything and it's clean.

Good night mate, you will be up soon!

What exactally is the use of the Denon Link between the AVP and the POA? I thought it would turn the POA on when I turned on the AVP, but no deal.

have you set the POA link on? in the AVP GUI: go into manual setup/option 1 and you will see a menu for POA