Official Denon AVP-A1HD/AVP-A1HDCI and POA-A1HD/POA-A1HDCI owners thread. - Page 615

can understand that, 3 years is a long time , but it does need to maintain its mantle if wants to stay as flagship.

the beaut thing wiht the avp having seen under the hood is that it does indeed have quite a modular nature. with separate hdmi board, separate tuner card. separate processor board, separate scaler / video board, separate analog boards etc. so update be easy I reckon. ps no one mentioned al32 ? again 24bit quite good enough but ....

yeah youd never know. ces is only a hop skip and a jump away...though denon at times been a bit reticent with info at these comments. typically been press releases that tend to detail more info, as was with audyssey updates, denon link 4 and the like. so never know ...one things for sure they wont say a thing officially until its a dead cert. thats one thing thats good with denon they dont just dangle carrots and then take them away or keep you waiting for years to come


hi spizz you hanging out for one ? it will be well worth it mate. 3 years on with mine ..no looking back

Yes Al. I am

Lol. I do like crankin' it up, Jason. Believe it or not, -18db is pretty loud in my setup.


Hehe. That is too cool. Well done, Daniel.

I just picked up from a distributor and unpacked mine AVP. It is bad that I've sold RS35 and sitting projectorless till RS60 arrives. So no movies for now

Quick question for fellow owners: does your AVP randomly lose HDMI input assignments for all sources (I have 4), particularly if it hasn't been used for a week or two? It doesn't lose any other settings that I can tell, only the HDMI assignments for all sources get reset to 0/None. Running the latest FW...

I apologize if this was posted/answered previously; I do try to keep up with this thread but rarely ever post here. Been enjoying my AVP since the spring of '08, and apart from this loss of HDMI input assignments and a defunct main remote (been meaning to call Denon about this for months now) I have enjoyed the AVP immensely. Here's to hoping for some meaningful upgrade announcement come CES time!

Nope. Rock solid in that department.

My biggest complaint still is the network interface which is shakey at best.

Wow, it's been quiet here lately. I'll just second the above by saying that in two years not a single I/O assignment has been lost or changed. The behavior you describe is indeed strange and would be very annoying.

We are doing a silent protest against denon for not telling us anything about the upgrade. That will teach them ! .

Daniel.

I've been out for awhile getting the AVP fixed, almost have everything working great with the Harmony one except 2 minor problems that I'm working on with their support that they can not even figure out yet. But to get to my main problem is: I can't seem to get my turntable working through the phono input, I currently have a Sony PSX-700 Turntable with a XL-44 moving coil cartridge from back in the 80's and since the AVP does not have a moving coil amp just a moving magnet amp, I plugged my turntable into my old Nikko beta-40 pre amplifier which has a moving coil amp built into it and then plugged inputs from both the phono 2 of the beta-40 into the AVP phono stage, and I also tried going from the beta 40 aux. input to the AVP phono stage which allows me to use the beta-40's moving coil amp. however I can't get sound to come out of the AVP in either mode. Any thoughts?: confused:

For starters, don't use the phono inputs on the AVP in this sort of configuration. Once your turntable goes through the phono stage in your beta-40, it should at that point be a normal line level signal just like a tape deck. Next, I'm not sure what you mean by "inputs from both the phono 2 of the beta-40" - you should be connecting a tape output loop or preamp output from the beta-40 into an appropriate (not phono) input on the AVP. If using the tape output loop, you may need to select the phono input as the device to record on the beta-40. I can't find any good pictures of the rear panel of the beta-40 or an owner's manual, so I can't provide any more specific advice.

You will never get sound from the AVP, if you keep plugging the AVP into inputs of the Nikko pre-amp, you need to use one of the Nikko's outputs into one of the AVP's aux inputs. Because the Nikko will be doing all the work as far as the playing anything on the turntable, DO NOT use the AVP's phono input, because you will overload it! But considering all this Mickey Mouse playing around with using the Nikko pre-amp and all it's circuitry to feed the AVP is more than likely going to screw up any advantage of using the moving coil cartridge, you probably would be much better off just buying a good quality moving magnet cartridge for your turntable, and use the AVP's own phono stage. Either that, or buy a dedicated moving coil pre-amp. You could also try a high output moving coil cartridge, as some of them will generate enough output signal to work on a moving magnet phono input.

My Submersive HP subwoofer arrived a few days ago and it's now setup in the location my Velodyne HGS-18 used to take. Before taking a bath selling off the Velodyne, I've decided to give a dual subwoofer configuration a shot and am not certain how I should configure the subwoofers. If I like the dual configuration, I may just keep the Velodyne or I may sell it and get a 2nd Submersive, but it's costing me nothing to give it a try, so why not .

The subwoofers are placed as follows:

Submersive - front right corner of the room. This is connected to the SW1 output on the AVP.

Velodyne - on the left wall, to the left and slightly behind the main listening location roughly at the half way point front to back. This is connected to the SW2 output on the AVP.

Since the subwoofers are not identical and are not symmetrical in the room, am I correct in assuming that I should go with 2SP MIX instead of 2SP L/R?

Is the LFE-THX mode preferred over the LFE+MAIN mode? As with lots of other things, the owner's manual doesn't exactly excel at explaining the real difference between the 2 modes.

On another somewhat related note, I noticed that my front L speaker level is being calibrated to -12db by Audyssey which is the maximum cut and therefore suggests that the correct value could be even lower. My front L, C, and R speakers are all using 2 channels on my POA - would it be best to stop bridging them and use a single channel so my calibration levels will get away from the adjustment limits? I think the center and right speakers are at roughly -8db and -10.5db. The speakers are B&W Matrix 802 Series 3 (front L/R) and B&W Matrix HTM (Center). My side and surround speakers are B&W Matrix 804's using single channels on the POA and are calibrating to -2db to -4.5db.

Actually you will be surprised talking to some of the Denon guys here( in Australia ) they believed that to be true. But anyway each to there own.

Wow old reply , Sorry i didn't mean to make fun of you but it seems weird that any sales oriented people at denon would say that. But i guess they are having the same problem as we have it will be getting harder and harder to claim the avp is top of the heap if its missing more and more features. That is probably the biggest reason for denon to fix a few issues.

Daniel.

As they stated 2 different beasts the AVP still there high end choice. He didn't bag the 4311 he just stated that the he believed going from an Avp to a 4311 will be a downgrade.

There is a halcro pre amp which a highend store is selling and I still get that over a receiver.

Running dual subs is a tricky proposition, with any sub or combination of subs placement is the critical issue since there's only so much room correction can do on its' own. The room and its' dimensions, and where you sit within that configuration are the biggest influences on bass performance. L/R is simple because placement generally mirrors the mains. But after that it really does depend on the room, and if you're running dual subs (not in the L/R configuration) you should absolutely use the 2SP Mix. (A generally good dual sub placement option is to have them oppose each other at front-center and back-enter for mode cancellation.)
You might actually get better performance by proper placement of the Submersive on it's own than running duals anyways, if you have the option of placement flexibility in your room of course.

LFE + Mains sends bass signals to the mains so that's a matter of what your mains can handle, and taste I guess. I don't use it and just stick with the LFE+THX setting even though my mains can go pretty low.

On the Audyssey calibration I wouldn't worry about the bi-amping, that's not likely the issue since gain should be similar AFAIK (and someone can correct me here if I'm wrong). The left being 1.5db hotter than the the right isn't unusual, but you're right though, -12db can be a concern. Since your front three are all being cut quite a bit I'd be inclined to think it's your primary listening position (1st measurement) and possibly a boundary gain thing or you're sitting in a peak location. If either is the case run a set of measurements with the mic a couple of feet forward or backward - just do three and see where it sets your mains. If the problem persists you might want to visit the Audyssey thread with a few more details.

There's a big difference being the top of the heap "feature-wise" and top of the heap in terms of audio performance. What it boils down to is what the value of those features vs the value of the difference in audio performance means to the individual.

To me there hasn't been a feature that has come out since the AVP hit the streets that has made me consider swapping it out. Well maybe a brief contemplation.... but I came to my senses pretty fast.

thanks for your feedback gsr & Johnla, I will work on it in a couple of weeks when I get back from vacation. Time to go south for the winter.

I guess i should not get into these things all the time , i agree with you just saying it is less then perfect to have your top model have less functions than the models below it leads to statements above by denon people themselves.

Let denon please announce the update already we are going into discussion loops like this ... and i admit i am the one doing it all the time... sigh

Daniel.

LFE+Mains will send bass to both if large is selected for mains. If small then LFE+Mains works like LFE+THX. In my case I use LFE+Mains so I can run my mains small with subs when using 5.1-7-1 movies and 5.1 music. For 2 channel music I run my mains full range. LFE+Mains allow me to have this setup (manual setup - audio- 2 channel direct/stereo).


I agree the -12db cut needs fixed. Is there a gain control on the POA?

Brad

Unfortunately, I don't have much placement flexibility. In addition to the current subwoofer locations, my only other real option would be to put a second Submersive in the front left corner of the room, which would presumably allow me to run the subs as L/R, but I think the Velodyne is just a bit too wide (the Submersive cabinet is taller and deeper, but narrower) to pull off putting it in the front left corner and I would think I'd ideally want to use identical subs in a L/R configuration. For now, I'm just trying this out to see how well it works - it's costing me nothing to try it since I already had the Velodyne sub around. If it doesn't work out, I'll just sell of the Velodyne and stick with 1 subwoofer or get a 2nd Submersive.


That's pretty much what I thought. My mains (B&W Matrix 802 Series 3 - this is the older original 800 series, not the current line) can handle reasonably deep bass, but certainly can't go as low as the subwoofers. So I'll stick with the THX option.


They're bridged, not biamped. My understanding is that bridging gives something like 6db of extra gain which would mostly explain why all 3 front channels have large cuts while the other 4 channels have more modest cuts.


I'm not at all concerned that the left is 1.5db hotter than the right (given my room, I'd actually be shocked if they ended up with the same calibrated level anyway), my only concern is that I'm hitting that -12db limit which could mean that it really needs more like -15db in which case it's running louder than it should.


No, the POA doesn't have a gain control. I think my best bet is to unbridge the front left / right speakers and see what I get. If nothing else, it's a relatively easy thing to try.

Ah, misread that first part.

That's a reasonable concern. I'd try a different 1st mic position before giving up on bridging. Is your primary listening position close to a wall or close to mid room?

The first could cause boundary gain and the latter could be a peak location.

Yeah the primary listening location isn't far from being mid room (front to back). Unfortunately, that isn't something I have too much control over - I can move it a few inches 1 forward or back, but that's about it. I also need to get my tripod out to mount the microphone to - I was in a hurry yesterday and just sat it on top of the (leather) sofa at about ear level.

Update - I got the tripod out and redid the calibration. Front left now ends up at -10.5db, center at -8.5db, and right at -10db. So I'm now away from the -12db limit and all is right with the world . It's quite possible that reflections off of the leather on the sofa were a problem when I had the calibration mic sitting right on the leather. With the tripod, the mic was also around 10 inches closer to the front of the room (and just about where my ear would actually be). And of course the bottom line is that it sounds great.

I'll need to recalibrate again after Christmas is put away - the tree (9 1/2 feet tall) and other decorations are in the room for the next few weeks which presumably changes the acoustics just a bit .

My initial impressions of the 2 subs working together are pretty good, but more listening is in order. I'll also need to run some tests with just the Submersive so I can make some comparisons and decide which way to go, but I'll probably wait until after the holidays to do that.

As usual, thanks for the useful feedback guys. It's been said many times before, but this is definitely one of the best threads here on AVS Forums.

having only watched one movie in the last 3 months seth I did indeed put mine on the market, fortunately didnt ! sell ! as had some huge pangs of regret since even putting up for sale. especially since watching the last movie sound of music. just made me realise what had to loose. my denon 4010 player a casualty though miss that already

the avp definitely one of the best av investments I'd have to agree. and your point that this whole thread that been going for the years it has and yet a celebration of it with us talking about more ways to enjoy it, rather than just dealing with bugs is pretty amazing in it self !


yes can see the point as well. it is flagship and should stay so ! sonically I dont see anything touching it but doesnt mean it cant have the lot that denon has to offer ..such is the avp ! let the legend continue !

A few inches can make a world of difference, as can using a tripod vs putting it on the couch.
You might want to consider the "Pro" calibration kit down the road, and certainly if they upgrade this beast with XT32.

Why oh why do I pass set up lines like this....

I actually have the pro calibration kit but haven't had the time to use it yet.