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post #20401 of 25091
8/26/11 at 9:32pm
Hello,

This thread is getting a bit long. Can someone tell me if they've finalized the update release date?

Can someone tell me the official list of what denon says the update will indeed update?

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post #20402 of 25091
8/26/11 at 9:55pm
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Hello,

This thread is getting a bit long. Can someone tell me if they've finalized the update release date?

Can someone tell me the official list of what denon says the update will indeed update?

Thanks
it is official and this is what we are getting in oz. one thing about these guys is they wont say a thing unless it is locked in, so this is what we do get. it says late 2011.
http://www.audioproducts.com.au/NewsInfo.aspx?NID=123
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post #20403 of 25091
8/26/11 at 9:55pm
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Hello,

This thread is getting a bit long. Can someone tell me if they've finalized the update release date?

Have you signed up with Denon at the link below to be directly notified when it will be actually available for owners in the US?


http://avrupgrades.denon.com/



"It’s Official! Denon will be offering an upgrade to our flagship A/V Surround components, the AVR-5308CI and the AVP-A1HDCI. The upgrade program will begin in October and will include the following feature enhancements to these already incredible products, ensuring them of being the entertainment centerpiece to their owners’ home.

What is included in this upgrade?

Audyssey MultEQ XT32 (including Audyssey Pro)
Audyssey DSX Surround Processing
Dolby PLIIz Surround Processing
3D Video Pass-through via HDMI


How do you get this upgrade?
The upgrade will be done via both hardware and firmware, and will be done at our many Denon Factory Service Centers around the country.


When will the upgrade be available?
More information on the upgrade process will be released in September, however we invite you to sign up to be the first to know about pricing and availability for this amazing Feature Upgrade from Denon!

How much does this upgrade cost?
To Be Announced, stay tuned. Sign up to be the first to know."
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post #20404 of 25091
8/27/11 at 6:41am
Thanks for the info!
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post #20405 of 25091
8/27/11 at 9:19am
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Emotiva XPA1 $999 500w @ 8ohms, 1000w @ 4ohms

World class? Never thought of them as such, but never really looked into them to be honest.

Definitely an internet marketing genius of a company. You can't mention the word amp on any forum without someone popping in and touting their praises.

You could fit seven ICEpower modules into one of their chassis though, or most kw amps for that matter.
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post #20406 of 25091
8/27/11 at 10:38am
Got bored waiting. New mobile upgrade for my home theatre, does not sound as good but gets me where I am going faster than my home theatre

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post #20407 of 25091
8/28/11 at 10:17pm
Hey ! Somebody can give me some advice here ? I am planning to buy the new upgraded version of AVP-A1HD to set up my 11.1 surround system on October ! And my set up now is a 9.2 system with a Onkyo PR-SC5508 and power amp is integra RESEARCH RDA 7.1 and Parasound A23 ! The RDA 7.1 is drive Front , Front wide , Centre an Surround ch ! The A23 drive the Surround Back ch ! An for the 11ch later , I will add one more A23 for Front Height ch !


The question is :
If I bought the POA-A1HD to replace my RDA 7.1 ! And bi-amp the Front Left , Centre and the Front Right ch ! (The POA has 10ch , is bi-amp the Front 3 ch use up 6 power amp of POA , and 4ch for the other , and A23 for another 4ch , total 11ch) And is it a good idea ? Or just leave the RDA to do the job ? Thx for any suggestion !
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post #20408 of 25091
8/28/11 at 11:30pm
the companion amp to the avp-a1 in bi-amp mode gives you 5 channels to play with..

thing $7,500 per amp not to mention 7,500 for the processor to boot, for half the cost you'll be looking at 11 xpa-1's just food for thought..
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post #20409 of 25091
8/28/11 at 11:41pm
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Originally Posted by mystic_sniper28 View Post

the companion amp to the avp-a1 in bi-amp mode gives you 5 channels to play with..

thing $7,500 per amp not to mention 7,500 for the processor to boot, for half the cost you'll be looking at 11 xpa-1's just food for thought..

So that mean don't waste the money ?
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post #20410 of 25091
8/29/11 at 12:14am
I would not go by much of anything that Mystic Sniper says. He is very good at making recommendations about equipment, that he himself does not even own, and in most cases, which is also equipment that he has no personal experience at all with either.
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post #20411 of 25091
8/29/11 at 12:17am
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I would not go by much of anything that Mystic Sniper says. He is very good at making recommendations about equipment, that he himself does not even own, and in most cases, which is also equipment that he has no personal experience at all with either.

So any suggestion ?
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post #20412 of 25091
8/29/11 at 1:05am
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Hey ! Somebody can give me some advice here ? I am planning to buy the new upgraded version of AVP-A1HD to set up my 11.1 surround system on October ! And my set up now is a 9.2 system with a Onkyo PR-SC5508 and power amp is integra RESEARCH RDA 7.1 and Parasound A23 ! The RDA 7.1 is drive Front , Front wide , Centre an Surround ch ! The A23 drive the Surround Back ch ! An for the 11ch later , I will add one more A23 for Front Height ch !


The question is :
If I bought the POA-A1HD to replace my RDA 7.1 ! And bi-amp the Front Left , Centre and the Front Right ch ! (The POA has 10ch , is bi-amp the Front 3 ch use up 6 power amp of POA , and 4ch for the other , and A23 for another 4ch , total 11ch) And is it a good idea ? Or just leave the RDA to do the job ? Thx for any suggestion !

I'd keep the RDA7.1 (I have a RDA7 for years and I still love it).
This unit is BAT design built by ATI, a master piece !
Try to find a second RDA7.1 and you'll rock !
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post #20413 of 25091
8/29/11 at 1:15am
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Originally Posted by jackox View Post

I'd keep the RDA7.1 (I have a RDA7 for years and I still love it).
This unit is BAT design built by ATI, a master piece !
Try to find a second RDA7.1 and you'll rock !

Agreed i think both adding RDA7 or the route you point out (using the 3 fronts of a POA and 4 for the backs) are fine solutions seems the RDA7 would be the cheapest route. Owning the POA i can say its a fine amp but not the best value.

Daniel.
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post #20414 of 25091
8/29/11 at 3:02am
Here is what I did.

I had great deals on Midwright KWA150SE so I when that road and kept the RDA7 for center and surround channels (leave 2 free outputs for DSX after the AVP upgrade).

But !!!! If I could have found a second RDA7 I would have buy a second one and use both instead !
The fact is there is none even second hand in Europe, so that could not be done.
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post #20415 of 25091
8/29/11 at 3:04am
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I'd keep the RDA7.1 (I have a RDA7 for years and I still love it).
This unit is BAT design built by ATI, a master piece !
Try to find a second RDA7.1 and you'll rock !

I think now is a bit difficult to find the other RDA 7.1 ! But I'm just wonder if there have a lot better when using bi-amp on Front 3 ch ?
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post #20416 of 25091
8/29/11 at 3:08am
Well the RDA7 cannot bridge channels so the only possibility is bi-amp.

I actually tried for fun my B&W 605S2 bi-amped with the RDA7 it sounded amazing.

Since I changed for B&W 803Di and 2 KWA150SE in mono mode.
All other channels still on the RDA7.

So the answer is that depends on your speakers really.
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post #20417 of 25091
8/29/11 at 3:09am
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post


Agreed i think both adding RDA7 or the route you point out (using the 3 fronts of a POA and 4 for the backs) are fine solutions seems the RDA7 would be the cheapest route. Owning the POA i can say its a fine amp but not the best value.

Daniel.

So the POA bi-amp is not so different with RDA ?
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post #20418 of 25091
8/29/11 at 3:48am
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Originally Posted by mystic_sniper28 View Post

the companion amp to the avp-a1 in bi-amp mode gives you 5 channels to play with..

thing $7,500 per amp not to mention 7,500 for the processor to boot, for half the cost you'll be looking at 11 xpa-1's just food for thought..

the thing with the POA is in bridged mode, doing 5 channels. it is then one of the very few few very rare trully balanced amps around. giving a full balanced path with the avp. ofcourse all that costs
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post #20419 of 25091
8/29/11 at 5:14am
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Originally Posted by tangcoma View Post

So the POA bi-amp is not so different with RDA ?

Those two do not sound the same.
Both are good and feature exclusive stuff that are not common to each other.
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post #20420 of 25091
8/29/11 at 5:15am
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Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

the thing with the POA is in bridged mode, doing 5 channels. it is then one of the very few few very rare trully balanced amps around. giving a full balanced path with the avp. ofcourse all that costs

There is plenty true balanced MCH amps ... question is, are they all as good as the POA and what's the price.
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post #20421 of 25091
8/29/11 at 5:35am
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There is plenty true balanced MCH amps ... question is, are they all as good as the POA and what's the price.

ah no jack. plenty of amps with balanced connectivity. but yeah numbers reduce greatly when look in and check how many are true balanced differential designs. the very nature of a balanced differential amp with its duplicated design adds significant cost. Meaning end up costing just about twice those of the single ended variety. and yeah the design implications make them of beastly proportions as well, not doing much for their popularity

as far as true balanced differential designs as good as the denon for the price. only one answer. do a back to back AB comparison in your system (speakers) between said amps and you will have an answer. all else will only be pure speculation or comparisons by others in a context that likely have very little relevance to yours
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post #20422 of 25091
8/29/11 at 5:43am
to do a bi-amp solution with the poa-a1hdci in 7-10 channels, so the conclusion of a bi-amp configuration for 11 channels you would likely need to $22,500 on amps alone so a complete 11 channel setup would likely cost you upwards of $30,000...

appose to $18,500 for avp-a1 and 11 xpa-1 or around $15,000 for avp-a1 and 11 upa-1's..

yes i don't own these products, I will freely admit that though if trying to save money this would be the route i would go if i was going the 11 channel configuration with the denon avp-a1 or even a 9 channel bi-amp setup..

My suggestion to people who wish to diss my comments as crap, you might want study up on the bi-amp abilities of the companion amp for the avp-a1 before dismissing what I have said..

given the in bi-amp you only 300w @ 8ohms and 500w @ 4ohms, even looking at the xpa-2 you're looking at 500w @8ohms and 1000w @4ohms at bridge mode, why would you spend top dollar for a 5 channel bi-amp vs a cheaper alternative..


don't get me wrong I would love to own both the avp-a1 and multiple poa-a1 though given the cost of the poa-a1 there is cheaper alternatives around with a bit more power, why waste the extra cash when it isn't needed..

you're paying alot for a bi-amped 5 channel with the max rating of 300w (8ohms) 500w (4ohms) draw your own conclusion whether or not the cost justifies the means.. keeping everything denon or not...
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post #20423 of 25091
8/29/11 at 5:44am
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Originally Posted by tangcoma View Post

So the POA bi-amp is not so different with RDA ?

please be aware that it is the bridge mode on the POA that takes it from a 10 channel amp to a 5 channel ie 2 channels operating in differnetial mode per channel. This is as very distinct to bi-amping
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post #20424 of 25091
8/29/11 at 6:00am
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Originally Posted by mystic_sniper28 View Post

to do a bi-amp solution with the poa-a1hdci in 7-10 channels, so the conclusion of a bi-amp configuration for 11 channels you would likely need to $22,500 on amps alone so a complete 11 channel setup would likely cost you upwards of $30,000...

appose to $18,500 for avp-a1 and 11 xpa-1 or around $15,000 for avp-a1 and 11 upa-1's..

yes i don't own these products, I will freely admit that though if trying to save money this would be the route i would go if i was going the 11 channel configuration with the denon avp-a1 or even a 9 channel bi-amp setup..

My suggestion to people who wish to diss my comments as crap, you might want study up on the bi-amp abilities of the companion amp for the avp-a1 before dismissing what I have said..

given the in bi-amp you only 300w @ 8ohms and 500w @ 4ohms, even looking at the xpa-2 you're looking at 500w @8ohms and 1000w @4ohms at bridge mode, why would you spend top dollar for a 5 channel bi-amp vs a cheaper alternative..


don't get me wrong I would love to own both the avp-a1 and multiple poa-a1 though given the cost of the poa-a1 there is cheaper alternatives around with a bit more power, why waste the extra cash when it isn't needed..

you're paying alot for a bi-amped 5 channel with the max rating of 300w (8ohms) 500w (4ohms) draw your own conclusion whether or not the cost justifies the means.. keeping everything denon or not...

I tend to agree because the fact of amazingly cost effective Emotiva amps.
But if we take Emotiva out of the picture the POA stay an interesting deal.
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post #20425 of 25091
8/29/11 at 6:05am
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Originally Posted by mystic_sniper28 View Post

to do a bi-amp solution with the poa-a1hdci in 7-10 channels, so the conclusion of a bi-amp configuration for 11 channels you would likely need to $22,500 on amps alone so a complete 11 channel setup would likely cost you upwards of $30,000...

appose to $18,500 for avp-a1 and 11 xpa-1 or around $15,000 for avp-a1 and 11 upa-1's..

yes i don't own these products, I will freely admit that though if trying to save money this would be the route i would go if i was going the 11 channel configuration with the denon avp-a1 or even a 9 channel bi-amp setup..

My suggestion to people who wish to diss my comments as crap, you might want study up on the bi-amp abilities of the companion amp for the avp-a1 before dismissing what I have said..

given the in bi-amp you only 300w @ 8ohms and 500w @ 4ohms, even looking at the xpa-2 you're looking at 500w @8ohms and 1000w @4ohms at bridge mode, why would you spend top dollar for a 5 channel bi-amp vs a cheaper alternative..


don't get me wrong I would love to own both the avp-a1 and multiple poa-a1 though given the cost of the poa-a1 there is cheaper alternatives around with a bit more power, why waste the extra cash when it isn't needed..

quite frankly I'd ask why youd need to bi-amp with an amp of these sorts. Bi-amping tends to benefit applications where using extremely demanding speakers and where using lower powered amps. In these situations I have myself always found you then end up asking the question why not use a better amp in the first place.

the POA seems to me a very flexible amp, if you had a very demanding front stage you could run bridged front stage and use 4 channels to run surrounds in a 7 cha setup. bi-amping surrounds ? running surrounds on bridge mode ? wouldnt have thought necessary ?

please keep in mind guys its the speakers that draw the power. how many speakers do you know draw that sort of power being quoted. especially if they are surrounds speakers ? on my home forum I have a sticky as to the amount of watts required. In most case rarely would many need in excess of 250W. the gains above that are greatly diminishing. Particualrly so when you keep in mind just about all of us would be utilising actively biamped surround setups where a sub is in play taking away great amounts of power requirement. As it will be the sub covering off the 80hz and below range which is what tends to swallow up the watts !
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post #20426 of 25091
8/29/11 at 6:10am
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Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

please be aware that it is the bridge mode on the POA that takes it from a 10 channel amp to a 5 channel ie 2 channels operating in differnetial mode per channel. This is as very distinct to bi-amping

Very true !
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post #20427 of 25091
8/29/11 at 6:15am
I was only using Emotiva as an example that's all, I personally don't give 2 shits about bi-amping though some do swear by it that's all...

though the person asking about it must want to do it alot..

I was merely pointing out a cost effective solution is all..
if you couldn't get the likes of emotiva then there would another 50 co's standing in the wings to take emotiva's place. to offer a cost effective solution..
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post #20428 of 25091
8/29/11 at 6:31am
Plus bi-amping is not perfect.
I was explained that the half use of the speaker's filter is not such a good idea for the amps themselves, for this or that I cannot recall the exacte reasons.

It looks like the best way is active bi-amping.
This adds the use of an active 4 way adjustable filter (or two 2 ways) and the speaker's filter must be defeated.

In the end simple things stay the best and the use of a more powerfull amp is the easy way to go.
That said I did try passive bi-amping, but I stick to the big amp solution.
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post #20429 of 25091
8/29/11 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by jackox View Post

Plus bi-amping is not perfect.
I was explained that the half use of the speaker's filter is not such a good idea for the amps themselves, for this or that I cannot recall the exacte reasons.

It looks like the best way is active bi-amping.
This adds the use of an active 4 way adjustable filter (or two 2 ways) and the speaker's filter must be defeated.

In the end simple things stay the best and the use of a more powerfull amp is the easy way to go.
That said I did try passive bi-amping, but I stick to the big amp solution.

Thx for your suggestion ! So I will keep my RDA 7.1 and just wait for the AVP upgraded !
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post #20430 of 25091
8/29/11 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by tangcoma View Post

And my set up now is a 9.2 system.

With two subs, and assuming your mains are crossed-over to them, the benefit of passive bi-amping is even less significant, so pretty much a waste of wire really.
You can bridge channels to get more power, but the question is do you "need" to? Your room, speakers, and their distances to the listening position will dictate the answer to that.

Surround channels don't use much power at all, so maybe keeping the RDA-7 and picking up a modest five or seven channel amp for those might be the ticket. Something like a used Anthem PVA 5 or 7 would be what I'd hunt for.
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