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post #20491 of 25965
Nearly here

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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Have you tried to make the adjustments and then save into one of the Quick Select positions on the front panel of the unit?

Thanks for this Willy J - it does seem to have worked though only as a setting for specific sources up to a maximum of three.

I feel that Denon should have made it possible to save a full manual setup that functions across all sources in the same way they have for Audyssey settings. They spend many pages on the manual explaining manual setup and then ignore the need to save it. Perhaps the upgraded firmware that must go along with the XT32 and HDMI 3D board (a mere £1300 I gather) will have this facility. For those of us who have systems which require setting beyond -12dB the Denon version of the auto-setup is not sufficient, even Audyssey themselves state that speakers and amps that require -12dB or beyond are not guaranteed to be accurate unless you resort to manual adjustment http://ask.audyssey.com/entries/2028...-mains-at-12db

Dave
post #20493 of 25965
That was exactly my problem when I did my last Audyssey pro calibration.
On the Audyssey pro report I could see that I needed to change some settings up to 4db
Got out my good old Audiocontrol analyser to check that out and figured it was accurate.
Did a manual speaker level adjustment and changed the reference level from 75db to 80db.
Now all is perfect.
post #20494 of 25965
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Originally Posted by Spizz View Post

Nearly here

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not long to go indeed
post #20495 of 25965
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Originally Posted by DJB of Poole View Post

Thanks for this Willy J - it does seem to have worked though only as a setting for specific sources up to a maximum of three.

Yes, I agree: Three is not enough. For my current needs, 5 quick selects would be perfect. I think Denon overlooked the convenience and importance of these quick selects and should have provided many more than just three.

We can wish and hope the software will be changed in the upcoming firmware update so that it saves the settings in some other manner and is accessable via remote rather than a hard push button on the unit which would allow more quick select positions; But, I suspect this is not a feature requested by a lot of people or it would have been addressed before......Will know when we know.

Glad it worked for you. BTW, I use one of the quick selects for my analog TT setup, one for Tivo, and one for BluRay/Hi Res music via Oppo. Works great as I always have to return the unit to Tivo 'mode' before turning it off in order for the HDMI/CEC to work properly (I keep the AVP OFF most of the time and just watch TV using an inexpensive Onkyo 2 channel recvr and a couple of small Polk bookshelf speakers in a rack under my plasma display).
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Originally Posted by Spizz View Post

Nearly here


Let's all sing together now:

All I want for Christmas is an upgrade AVP, an upgrade AVP, an upgrade AVP. All I want for Christmas is an upgrade AVP, an upgrade AVP, an upgrade AVP.......

post #20497 of 25965
Hi all, I would like to know if any of you or your friends have had a chance to listen to an Onkyo PRSC5508, and if so how would you rate it against your beloved AVP
if money was no object then yes I would not be asking this qustion but as it quite a bit of money would like an idea of how much a gap there would be.

If I was to go the Onkyo route it would be there new PRSC5509 but think there is not much difference to last years model.

Also does anyone know what hardware will be changed in the AVP upgrade?

Thanks for any input
post #20498 of 25965
CEDIA gone! Not a peep about the upgrade!?! I can't even find anything about Denon even being there...
post #20499 of 25965
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post
Glad it worked for you. BTW, I use one of the quick selects for my analog TT setup, one for Tivo, and one for BluRay/Hi Res music via Oppo. Works great as I always have to return the unit to Tivo 'mode' before turning it off in order for the HDMI/CEC to work properly (I keep the AVP OFF most of the time and just watch TV using an inexpensive Onkyo 2 channel recvr and a couple of small Polk bookshelf speakers in a rack under my plasma display).
I have made similar arrangements - one set as purely analogue as possible with no Audyssey at all for the vinyl, one set without Auydssey and pure direct for multichannel SACD, and one set with all Audyssey processing for HT. My ears tell me this works pretty well. Other sources just have to make do because there are no further presets. I'm very grateful for your suggestions because it has largely solved the problems.

Dave
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Originally Posted by Ashmanuk View Post

Hi all, I would like to know if any of you or your friends have had a chance to listen to an Onkyo PRSC5508, and if so how would you rate it against your beloved AVP
if money was no object then yes I would not be asking this qustion but as it quite a bit of money would like an idea of how much a gap there would be.

If I was to go the Onkyo route it would be there new PRSC5509 but think there is not much difference to last years model.

Thanks for any input

I think the answer to that question depends on the what the rest of your system and room are like and what your listening habits are.
I had an Integra 9.8 (same as Onkyo 885) it wasn't up to par with the AVP in a lot of fronts, but with digital inputs and the hi-rez codecs it got reasonably close. If I was doing just movies and casual music listening, I don't think I'd step up to the AVP.
Music is a priority for me, I had a good acoustical room and the rest of my system was up to par so the move was a no-brainer for me.

This is very much a case where the law of diminishing returns is in play, and the value of going for an AVP over the Onkyo is one that only you can determine really.
post #20501 of 25965
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

I think the answer to that question depends on the what the rest of your system and room are like and what your listening habits are.
I had an Integra 9.8 (same as Onkyo 885) it wasn't up to par with the AVP in a lot of fronts, but with digital inputs and the hi-rez codecs it got reasonably close. If I was doing just movies and casual music listening, I don't think I'd step up to the AVP.
Music is a priority for me, I had a good acoustical room and the rest of my system was up to par so the move was a no-brainer for me.

This is very much a case where the law of diminishing returns is in play, and the value of going for an AVP over the Onkyo is one that only you can determine really.

Hi rnrgagne,

Yes I see what you mean law of diminishing returns is quite a fast space and no one can answer that for another person
All my amps are Bryston and I absolutely love them, the oldest two 2LP are 19 years old each there for my SL/SR and SBL/SBR 4bst for centre and 4bsst for for fronts and two SVS PC13 Ultras oh I love them too come to think of it my speakers are American amps are Canadian :-0 yet I live in the UK
As I said in last post if money was no object then the AVP would be in my rack now I love both films and music and want both to sound good but I do listen to more music by habit

Thanks for your input
post #20502 of 25965
Well good luck, and enjoy whichever path you take.

Of course if you do go for the AVP, I'm sure you'll be coming back to report!
post #20503 of 25965
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

Well good luck, and enjoy whichever path you take.

Of course if you do go for the AVP, I'm sure you'll be coming back to report!

Thanks and I bet you are all waiting with trepidation for XT32 if you,ve had this from new then what an amazing value for money unit after three years and your getting an upgrade that most manufacuers will find hard keeping up with.
Nice one DENON
post #20504 of 25965
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Originally Posted by Ashmanuk View Post

Thanks and I bet you are all waiting with trepidation for XT32 if you,ve had this from new then what an amazing value for money unit after three years and your getting an upgrade that most manufacuers will find hard keeping up with.
Nice one DENON

Yea thats for sure, for me it will be like using the avp for the first time again. infact by denon offering this upgrade has totally blown me away, i still cant believe that denon has gone to all this trouble. Its a funny thing you know, i have had the opportunity to buy some other products related to home theatre but havnt thought about deviating from denon. At the moment i am really happy with denon and the amount of support i have recieved. To me, this upgrade seem like it is a case of good will on behalf of denon for spending good money on a good product. This avp thread has also been of great benefit to me also.
post #20505 of 25965
Hey Fellow AVP owners!

I had to power cycle my router last night and was checking the connectivity of my AVP when I came across an 18 minute firmware update. Keeping consistent with the July update, there is no info about this on their website. FYI: I'm in the U.S.
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Originally Posted by frahengeo View Post

Hey Fellow AVP owners!

I had to power cycle my router last night and was checking the connectivity of my AVP when I came across an 18 minute firmware update. Keeping consistent with the July update, there is no info about this on their website. FYI: I'm in the U.S.

Thanks for sharing that info. I did mine, and like you said it was an 18 minute update. Once I find out what it was for, I'll post it on the Wiki and on the first page of this thread.


Seth
post #20507 of 25965
Hi guys , hi Seth, recent search for updates here in eu shows none available.
post #20508 of 25965
When I tried last night it said there was an (upgrade) no updates. When I clicked upgrade it went to (authenticing or something like that) then server busy.

I will try again tonight.

Brad
post #20509 of 25965
I just get "Connection Fail" messages. On a wired, 6 mbs network.
post #20510 of 25965
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

I think the answer to that question depends on the what the rest of your system and room are like and what your listening habits are.
I had an Integra 9.8 (same as Onkyo 885) it wasn't up to par with the AVP in a lot of fronts, but with digital inputs and the hi-rez codecs it got reasonably close. If I was doing just movies and casual music listening, I don't think I'd step up to the AVP.
Music is a priority for me, I had a good acoustical room and the rest of my system was up to par so the move was a no-brainer for me.

This is very much a case where the law of diminishing returns is in play, and the value of going for an AVP over the Onkyo is one that only you can determine really.

Actually I owned the Onkyo 885 and now own the 5508
The 5508 is in another league than the 885

perhaps a lot due to to the new XT32?

The 5508 is still not a very musical piece...the 885 was even less so

While I have heard the Denon AVP...I think musically it would be head and shoulders above the Onkyo...HT( using the same amp) would be close..if I were a betting man

I did an A/B at one my local stores with the Integra version of the Onkyo 5508 against the Anthem statement

My ears said the Integra was 90% of the Anthem for HT and 60% of it for music

I paid 70% less for the Onkyo than the Anthem would have cost me....so it almost worth it to buy a dedicated preamp for music and still save quite a bit of money

las..there have been some reliability issues with the Onkyo...supposed to be a simple fix and I am shipping mine off next week for it

Its a stellar piece ...and factoring in the $$..made it an easy decision for me

But I did see a Denon AVP for 50% of retail the other day....and that made me think about an upgrade

But then there is cost upgrade to get XT32 etc

How much is that?


Warren
post #20511 of 25965
I just checked mine (USA) and there was an 18 minute update available so I went ahead and OK'd it to do the update.
post #20512 of 25965
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

But I did see a Denon AVP for 50% of retail the other day....and that made me think about an upgrade

But then there is cost upgrade to get XT32 etc

How much is that?

The upgrade was announced here in the USA at $1099. If you are serious about buying an AVP you might want to call some of the online dealers (ONECALL, Crutchfield, etc.) to see what they are selling a new AVP for. They are not allowed to show discounted prices so you probably can get an AVP for much less than retail and it will come with the full warranty (unlike a used one).

If you are not in a hurry, you might want to just wait until after the update is officially released (4th Qtr 2011 or 1st Qtr 2012?) and see how they will be handling the upgrade to new AVP purchasers. It doesn't appear they will be coming out with a new model so newly manufactured units will have the update already installed and I would imagine they will be priced higher than current retail but how much higher remains to be seen. Until the upgrade actually starts happening, it is all speculation (from me or anyone else).
post #20513 of 25965
About that upgrade: will it do 11.1 DSX? I notice there are 12 XLR outputs, but 3 of those are labeled "sw", so this would make it 9.3 if the sw outputs could not be reasigned.

If it does 11.1 DSX, it's the first pre-pro that does that, to my knowledge.
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[quote=WillyJ;20962560]The upgrade was announced here in the USA at $1099. QUOTE]

Are they actually doing the upgrades now?
post #20515 of 25965
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

The upgrade was announced here in the USA at $1099. If you are serious about buying an AVP you might want to call some of the online dealers (ONECALL, Crutchfield, etc.) to see what they are selling a new AVP for. They are not allowed to show discounted prices so you probably can get an AVP for much less than retail and it will come with the full warranty (unlike a used one).

If you are not in a hurry, you might want to just wait until after the update is officially released (4th Qtr 2011 or 1st Qtr 2012?) and see how they will be handling the upgrade to new AVP purchasers. It doesn't appear they will be coming out with a new model so newly manufactured units will have the update already installed and I would imagine they will be priced higher than current retail but how much higher remains to be seen. Until the upgrade actually starts happening, it is all speculation (from me or anyone else).

The one I saw for 50% of retail was at an authorized Denon dealer

On another note...the same shop where I A/B'ed the Integra and the Anthem pieces told me that he didn't bring in a Denon AVP...but that he could order one for me

He said his customer base that is spending that much money typically wants an Anthem.

So..I have never heard the Denon AVP


Warren
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

Hi guys , hi Seth, recent search for updates here in eu shows none available.

Hi John,

Will be interesting to see what the update is for, as it's not available in other parts other than the US at this point.

I'm just patiently waiting (as many others here are) for an exact start date for the upcoming hardware upgrade. Are you getting your AVP upgraded?


Seth
post #20517 of 25965
This is odd. When I tried to find the update I was told I had the latest firmware.
post #20518 of 25965
Did the update ... don't know what it is for though ...
post #20519 of 25965
Saw this posted here-

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post20938703

Quote:


This is the latest info from DenonJeff:

"News will go out end of this month. Upgrade service to start in early November, price is $999 and any authorized service center can do the upgrade which is about a 4 hour process. Audyssey Pro ready is what we mean. Upgrade will include:

3D Pass through
Audyssey MultEQ 32 with Subwoofer level matching
Audyssey DSX
dts Neo:X
Dolby PLIIz"

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To further clarify (as the Denon website is confusing on this point) ... the upgrade will NOT include the Audyssey Pro Installer kit ($550 kit +$150 license), rather the upgrade will allow the unit to be "ready" to be connected to a Pro Installer kit either purchased separately or via a Pro Installer doing a calibration on your unit.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Spizz View Post

Saw this posted here-

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post20938703

Very cool! $999 is even better! So a November time frame. I only wish there was an authorized Denon service center in my area so I wouldn't have to ship my AVP all the way across the country.

Thanks for sharing the news!


Seth
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