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post #211 of 25965
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Originally Posted by Curious George View Post

Howdy Spearmint old buddy, I too am happy with the AVP (although I can only run it in 2 channel mode for a couple more weeks)...but my focus has been on running in a CD player for the last few days (how many times can the Doobie Brothers be repeat played do ya reckon? )

Looking forward to hearing the beast in all it's 7.3 glory when my Cinema is up and running mid April

Cheers,

Curious


Howdy Curious,

Any impressions on how the Denon compares to the Cary for 2ch reproduction?

I look forward to seeing and listening to your new lineup at some stage in the future.
post #212 of 25965
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Originally Posted by BladeRnR View Post

My Brother has purchased quite a few things from Rab (Whise Subwoofer, Arcam AV8 and DVD29, Marantz SR-12).

Thank for posting the website AL - I was unable to as I am a new user and I require 3 posts to do so. I might go down and have a listen to the 2 units as he'll have them setup quite soon.

Cheers

Blade


Welcome to the forum Blade.

BTW you and Simon are more than welcome to call by my place if you want to get a feel for the Pre in a domestic environment.
post #213 of 25965
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

I read your review of the Denon and it sounds convincing to me. I think what you have is a Denon pre/pro that sounds great with the new sound codecs, but average to good on the legacy formats. This being the case, for me, I'll wait for a Blu-Ray player with 7.1 analog outs, that can decode the new sound codecs. Of course it will also need a good crossover built in the player. Then, I can keep my Arcam AV9 thats in the top 5 best pre/pros available for any price.

The Denon Pre sounds great for all audio formats IMO. In all honesty I've not been unhappy with SD, Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, SACD, DVD-A, CD, or streamed audio performance through the Pre. The unit is quiet in operation, HDMI hasn't missed a beat, the Audyssey is sensational after a little tweaking and other than the crappy remote I couldn't be happier with the Pre.

What I'm alluding to is, IMO the audio doesn't make you sit back and say WOW, when compared to what I've heard with other Denon units. For the price I expected more in the WOW factor based on audio reproduction, but maybe that's just me.
post #214 of 25965
How is AVP compared to onkyo and integra pre/pro ? Anyone tested these ?
post #215 of 25965
Only feature I miss with avp is the possibility to add a lcd touch screen through a vga/dvi connection for accessing GUI without disturbing output on hdmi...
post #216 of 25965
You can access the GUI via the web (wirelessly if desired), and not disturb the HDMI Output. I use my laptop for this, while sitting on the couch.
post #217 of 25965
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Originally Posted by GoodSonics View Post

You can access the GUI via the web (wirelessly if desired), and not disturb the HDMI Output. I use my laptop for this, while sitting on the couch.

Ah, sounds good, One can see only GUI through web? Are there other stuff one can watch through web ? Does it disturb audio sent through wifi/lan ?
post #218 of 25965
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Originally Posted by GoodSonics View Post

Mozvz,

I think I have the AVP (Denon), set up pretty well now, and can make comments relative to the Proceed AVP2+6, and the Halcro. I just need to test out the 2-Ch Analog for you (I play 2-CH via HDMI). I should be able to post something by Saturday.

Here is something to think about. The Denon is smooth and dynamic. It is a pretty accurate unit. When you combine those attributes, with the Audyssey, and the EQ, you can make the Denon AVP sound pretty close to either the AVP2+6 or the Halcro.

The Denon has worked flawlessly with 5 HDMI sources/displays now. So far, I haven't found any bugs nor seen any buggy behaviour.

Darrell

Hey Darrell,

I look forward to your impressions on the Denon as well. I, like both you and Mozvz, have had both the Halcro and Proceed AVP2+6.
I actually used a Denon 3808 while my Halcro was away for the upgrade and thought it did a lot of things really well. I did not like using the Audyssey though as it seamed to restrict the dynamics in my system.

The one thing I always noticed the Halcro does better than any other processor is in the dynamics and steering especially in the surrounds. The Halcro does some sort of magic when it comes to making you believe sound is coming from somewhere other than your speakers. I believe you had problems with your Halcro though which sucks.

Have fun!

Mike
post #219 of 25965
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Originally Posted by Spearmint View Post

Howdy Curious,

Any impressions on how the Denon compares to the Cary for 2ch reproduction?

I look forward to seeing and listening to your new lineup at some stage in the future.


Yes mate, I'm carefully cellaring the Vasse Felix and Humidifying the Cuban's in readiness for our next gtg

I have the AVP set-up in the study for now hooked up to the Concerts 8s (with the SEAS drivers) no complaints so far (although it was a little harsh and compressed initially, it soon settled in) - once it's in the main listening area we can check it out with the Divas for a comparison

Hell, I'll invite Josh to bring an 11a when it's released so we can have a group listening session
post #220 of 25965
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Originally Posted by Spearmint View Post


What I’m alluding to is, IMO the audio doesn’t make you sit back and say WOW, when compared to what I’ve heard with other Denon units. For the price I expected more in the WOW factor based on audio reproduction, but maybe that’s just me.

For the price, it would have to make me say WOW, OH S_ _ _, and WOW again. My Arcam AV9 makes me say all of this, but only on the best recordings which can be quite transparent, three dimensional and pure ear candy. It adds nothing to the source. Why would I want to give up all this for the new codecs?
post #221 of 25965
Have any of you lucky owners tried playing music files from a USB drive? According to the manual, the AVP supports FLAC playback from one. This may be a way around a clumsy wireless GUI and a large library. Akin to a hard playlist. The manual is silent on the bit depth, but does mention support for up to 48 KHz sample rate. FLAC file transfer could bypass any USB interface jitter issues if done well.
post #222 of 25965
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Originally Posted by Wilfred View Post

Have any of you lucky owners tried playing music files from a USB drive? According to the manual, the AVP supports FLAC playback from one. This may be a way around a clumsy wireless GUI and a large library. Akin to a hard playlist. The manual is silent on the bit depth, but does mention support for up to 48 KHz sample rate. FLAC file transfer could bypass any USB interface jitter issues if done well.

Do you mean a directly-connected hard drive with USB interface? Or something smaller, a thumb-drive type thing? I don't see how that would get around the Denon's interface.... I must not understand the set-up you mean.
post #223 of 25965
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Originally Posted by Spearmint View Post

Welcome to the forum Blade.

BTW you and Simon are more than welcome to call by my place if you want to get a feel for the Pre in a domestic environment.

Spearmint - much obliged mate. I live in Maribyrnong for future reference. I anticipate starting to piece together a HT this year but I am in no rush as the next expected Australian shipment for the AVP-A1HD is August. If I have the opportunity to see / hear the unit in operation I will take it. Simon and I had quite a few forum enthusiasts drop in to hear what he had (Particularly the SVS B4 Subwoofer driven by a 2000 watt Quest amplifier). Loose specification for the HT so far is:

Aaron Hyperbole 600 Series speakers
SVS PB-13 Ultra Subwoofer (Possibly 2)
Denon AV-A1HDCI Pre
Elektra Theatre 7 Amplifier
Denon Universal BD Player (Hopefully released sometime this year).
JVC HD Projector / Stewart screen

That's the dream so I'll see how I go with it. The last HT I owned started with a Yamaha DSP-1000 and then I pursued my other passion (Cars) and handed over the reigns to Simon. I think HD has promted me to start again as I believe technology has kept pace nicely and it's an exciting time to get back into it ( have some 6 BD titles so I'm starting already). I was waiting for Denon to release their separates for quite some time.

My only technical question at this time regarding HD/SD Audio decoding is can it all be performed via the HDMI connection or are we still relying on Analog inputs these days? My forte is computers but I have not kept as close an eye on the HT scene as I once did

Greetings to all the Aussies here - it's a great thread.

Cheers

Blade
post #224 of 25965
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Originally Posted by BladeRnR View Post

~SNIP~
My only technical question at this time regarding HD/SD Audio decoding is can it all be performed via the HDMI connection or are we still relying on Analog inputs these days? My forte is computers but I have not kept as close an eye on the HT scene as I once did

Greetings to all the Aussies here - it's a great thread.

Cheers

Blade

All handled these days via HDMI; I removed quite a number of cables from the Rotel pre, and replaced them with fewer HDMI leads. Currently I have SD-DVD, HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, HD-STB, all connected via HDMI, and with the Sonos connected via Digital and The Marantz SA11 SACD via analogue, so basically seven cables in.
post #225 of 25965
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

Hey Darrell,

I look forward to your impressions on the Denon as well. I, like both you and Mozvz, have had both the Halcro and Proceed AVP2+6.
I actually used a Denon 3808 while my Halcro was away for the upgrade and thought it did a lot of things really well. I did not like using the Audyssey though as it seamed to restrict the dynamics in my system.

The one thing I always noticed the Halcro does better than any other processor is in the dynamics and steering especially in the surrounds. The Halcro does some sort of magic when it comes to making you believe sound is coming from somewhere other than your speakers. I believe you had problems with your Halcro though which sucks.

Have
Mike

Are you saying that the halcro implements PLII and other sound formats differently then other brands? How can that be? Please note that before I purchased the AVP I went very close to buy a used ssp200.
post #226 of 25965
Thread Starter 
Well now that I've actually been using my AVP-A1HDCI for about two weeks, I can now give my impressions of it's sound quality.

The thing with this pre/pro, and any other pre/pro for that matter, is that it needs time to sound its best. Straight out of the box with only 2 or 3 days will not give an accurate description of what this engineering marvel can offer. While I will honestly say that I was impressed with what I heard the first time I fired it up, now after two weeks the sound is getting even better. And I'm sure that after two to three months of use, this Denon pre/pro will fully reveal its sonic splendor.

Home Theater use (DTS-HD MA, Dolby TrueHD, Uncompressed PCM, DTS, Dolby Digital)

First I must say that each and every HDMI device (Blu-ray, HD DVD, Satellite), work perfect all the time. Video and audio goes through without a hitch. Kudo's to Denon for this. 1080p signals go through in all their glory, high def that goes in the Denon AVP goes out to the TV crystal clear. And standard DVD's going through the Realta processing makes standard DVD's look the absolute best they can look. The Reon chip in my Toshiba XA2 is really good, but Realta takes it up a notch. The video processing in the Denon AVP works extremely well for DVD's.

Bitstreamed audio via HDMI from Blu-ray, HD DVD, and DVD, all sound phenomenal decoded by the Denon AVP. I usually watch at least one movie a night, and on weekends two a night, so over the past 14 days I've seen at least 17 movies through the Denon AVP. With 12 on high def, and the rest on DVD. One thing I must note is that not all players sound the same when bitstreamed. I carefully compared my Sony S300 to my Denon 2500 using uncompressed PCM. Just so you know, I adjusted the sub level up +5db when listening to the Denon 2500 to compensate for the LFE bug, and then lowered the sub level -5db when listening to the Sony S300.

The thing that was apparent was the soundstage, the Denon is a bit smoother and not as forward in character as the Sony is. With certain movies (War, 3:10 to Yuma), the sound while very dynamic was a bit too forward for my taste. The Denon on the other hand was smoother, but still had all the impact and dynamics of the Sony. So I say not all players are created equal when sending out a bitstreamed uncompressed signal. I also had the opportunity to compare internal decoding done by the player (Toshiba HD-XA2), and done by the pre/pro (Denon).

While many claim "there is no difference", I totally disagree. I listened to a number of HD DVD's that have Dolby TrueHD soundtracks, and each and every time I much preferred the decoding done by the Denon. The sound character with internal decoding on the player gave a brighter sound that when listened to for long periods can be a bit fatiguing. The same movies via HDMI and decoded by the Denon sounded superb! Not bright, but open, detailed and rich. The sound is wide and deep, very dynamic, but never fatiguing. It's exactly what lossless should sound like! I have been extremely impressed with what this Denon pre/pro does with DTS-HD MA (Night at the Museum, Rush Hour 3, Hitman, etc), and TrueHD (Spider-Man 3, Bourne Ultimatum, V for Vendetta etc.).

Even the legacy Dolby Digital and DTS formats sound amazing on the Denon AVP. I rent a a lot of standard DVD's from Netflix, and each and every movie I've played through the Denon has sounded excellent! While the new high def audio codecs take the sound to a whole other level, plain DD and DTS still sound very impressive. And easily as good as I remember hearing from my Sunfire TGIII. That says a lot as my Sunfire did a fantastic job with DD and DTS soundtracks. So rest assured that the Denon AVP does a splendid job with legacy audio formats.

So IMHO this pre/pro definitely delivers the sonic goods!


Music sources (CD, SACD, DVD-A)

I have extensively listened to a number of 2 channel and mulichannel sources. I have my CD player connected to my Denon AVP via analog, and have listened to the Denon in "Stereo", "Direct", and "Pure Direct" modes. SQ in stereo is quite good, and pretty spacious (width and depth of sound is moderate). The sound is forward in character with "Stereo" mode, and to my ears could get tiring after long listening sessions. SQ in "Direct" mode takes CD music to another level. The difference between Stereo and Direct is huge. The sound character in Direct mode is very refined and very accurate, but much more pleasing to the ears, and is more neutral in its presentation. I really enjoyed listening to CD's in Direct mode.

Listening to "Pure Direct" mode took the accuracy a step further, and makes even the most intricate of sounds come to life. With Pure Direct there is no coloration to the sound at all. What is on the CD (good and bad) is exactly what you will hear. On perfectly mastered reference recordings the use of Pure Direct is an audiophiles dream come true. But beware when listening to material that is a bit too brash and bright in nature, as these things will faithfully come through. So for "most" of my listening I preferred Direct as it brought a good balance in sound, offering great sound quality to most CD's. Stereo mode is great for casual listening, but Direct and Pure Direct are definitely for true audio enthusiasts who want accurate sound.

For people who have subs, I highly recommend using them for 2 channel, even if the speakers are of the large full range variety. The use of the subs just takes the whole music listening experience further. So for me setting Main+Sub was a no brainer. And the ability to set the Denons crossover frequency to the setting you prefer is a major plus. The 70Hz setting sounded the best for my setup.

Now to see what the Denon's internal DAC's would do for 2 channel music, I used the Denon Transport via HDMI and listened to the same CD's (Yello-Zebra, John Mayall and Friends, and Johannes Linstead-Cafe' Tropical). I'm happy to say that the Denon easily matched and even slightly surpassed my dedicated CD player (Sony CDP-XA20ES). This really impressed me, as my Sony has always bested anything I've compared it to in my setup (Integra Research RDC-7, Sunfire TGIII). So this says a lot about the DAC's and dual differential circuitry in the Denon. I sure wish I owned the Sony CDP-XA7ES (the XA20's big brother), as that has balanced outs and I could report as to how it sounds connected that way. Maybe I'll find one for a good price and try it out. For both analog 2 channel and digital 2 channel the Denon AVP delivered in spades. It's an excellent 2 channel pre.

A couple of days ago I finally got to try out multichannel SACD. Since my old Yamaha DVD-S2300 universal player only has analog outs for high rez sound, I connected 6 cables to the Denon's EXT IN. For years I have been using an Outlaw ICBM-1 bass manager for my Yamaha S2300, as the player has no internal bass management. While the Outlaw "works" it's a bit cumbersome to use. Since all discs are recorded at different levels, I always had to physically go to the ICBM-1 and either raise or lower the bass volume. Sure once set for a certain SACD it was fine, but once I changed SACD's I then had to dial in the right bass level.

So when I learned that the Denon AVP offered A/D conversion on its EXT IN. I was very anxious to try it out and see how the bass management in the Denon would work for my SACD's. After I connected it I listened to the SACD of Peter White "Glow", and was totally blown away with the sound! The bass was 'THERE", it was deep, tight, and not boomy. But when listening , the bass was only part of the story, the whole presentation was the best I have heard in my setup, ever! The whole multi-channel audio landscape was wide, deep, dynamic, and rich with detail. I was hearing things that I had previously never heard before. And the sound oh the rich sound was smooth and very easy on the ears. I had previously never been too impressed with SACD's, as the sound was just too sterile and digital sounding.

SACD sound through the EXT IN. using the Denon's A/D conversion offers a wonderful sonic experience. If I had to describe the sound I would say that it was almost like listening to tubes. 6 channels of nice warm, silky smooth sound. The sound produced was very intoxicating. I am so impressed with the sound that I am now interested in SACD once again, and will be buying many more SACD's very soon. So for any of you who own older SACD/DVD-A players that only have analog outs and were curious as to what this Denon could do for your player, rest assured it's awesome! A++++ on the Denon's A/D conversion on the EXT IN.

In conclusion, the Denon AVP-A1HDCI has to be the most fully featured preamp/processor on the planet right now. And while it's learning curve is quite long, and many (myself included) will no doubt get a bit frustrated with setting up this beast of a pre/pro and figuring out all it's many functions, features and settings. Once it's finally setup,calibrated, and adjusted, the sonic attributes of this gem will ultimately win you over. I have to say that Denon has raised the bar very high with it's new preamp. From lossless high def movie soundtracks to 2 channel music to multichannel SACD, the Denon AVP-A1HDCI does all of them effortlessly and gracefully. The Denon is expensive, but well worth the price of admission.



Seth
post #227 of 25965
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Originally Posted by orologio View Post

Are you saying that the halcro implements PLII and other sound formats differently then other brands? How can that be? Please note that before I purchased the AVP I went very close to buy a used ssp200.

I am not sure exactly how to explain it but with the Halcro you have to get used to it first when it comes to steering of the sound. When I first got the SSP-100 there were a few times when I stopped the movie as I thought someone was at the door or a sound seamed to come from somewhere else in the house. It wasn't until I played back the same scene that I realized it was the sound scape the Halcro was reproducing. I have heard the same from other Halcro users.

This is not merely in PLII or IIx but also with regular DD and DTS as well as uncompressed PCM which the SSP-200 does. The dynamics of the SSP-100 and 200 are without equal in my experience. My subs have never gotten such a clean workout

I can honestly say that the Halcro made my speakers disappear like no other processor I have ever owned. That is probably the best way to describe the sound, you no longer listen to your speakers, just the soundtrack.

The Halcro is not the best music processor as the Theta CBIII I have heard was better for music from a friend who had one. I felt my previous Meridian G68 and Proceed AVP2+6 had a slightly fuller sound were the Halcro could sound thin with music. For movies though the others could not even come close IMO.

I do like what Denon has done with the 3808 which I used when my Halcro was away for an upgrade. I am sure the AVP-A1HD is even alot better so it will be interesting to hear what Goodsonics thinks as he also had a Halcro, not sure if the Halcro worked correctly though for Goodsonics.
post #228 of 25965
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Well now that I've actually been using my AVP-A1HDCI for about two weeks, I can now give my impressions of it's sound quality.

~SNIP~


Seth

Great write-up!

Thanks for posting your impressions.
post #229 of 25965
Ok, after a long night, everything is now installed. The Pre / Pro look very nice together. I must say the Pioneer Kuro 60" is Amazing. At the moment the big wow factor from the family is from the new screen... We had the Pio 5000EX before, and its not just the size, but also the PQ that is so much richer. I've set up the Denon DVD-A1XVA, PS3, Xbox360 and HTPC to the Pre. PC signal came through with no issues, which is refreshing because with the AVC-A1XVA it wasn't that smooth. I did notice I need to switch the HDMI signal in the Kuro from TV to PC manually otherwise the colors are washed out (its a known Vista bug I guess with the colors on 0-255).

The dealer had no XLR cables in stock, so the pre/pro are connected via RCA at the moment. Would be interesting to see if there's SQ change when I switch to XLR next week. I've setup the Pre wirless connection (very easy, including setting a WEP password) and then continued to configure the Pre from my laptop. Menu's through the web interface are pretty much the same as they were with the A1XVA. Despite the very nice new TV GUI of this Pre, its still much easier to set things up via a laptop through a wireless web inteface.
I didn't run the Audyessy yet, waiting for this evening when the kids go up to sleep. Seen a few segments from several blu-rays, a DTS demo disk. Everything is very nice so far.
post #230 of 25965
thank you [b]mjaudio[b] I appreciated your posting. As i mentioned before I was very close to get the halcro but, today that the a1hd is arriving, I will never know if I would have regretted not buying it.

On the other side reading Seth's post I got the impression that he is saying that pure direct -CD DACs- performed better than the denon DACs. Please excuse my ignorance in this field, i grossly simplified what Seth said, I have a lot to learn...
post #231 of 25965
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Do you mean a directly-connected hard drive with USB interface? Or something smaller, a thumb-drive type thing? I don't see how that would get around the Denon's interface.... I must not understand the set-up you mean.

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Originally Posted by GoodSonics View Post

Great... This thread will be helpful for the new owners.

Eric,

I am not Seth, but I will chime in about the Network audio. I am streaming .flac files from my NAS drive (that runs Twonky). The Sound Quality is very good. It beat my Sonus system. I am assuming that this is becuase the Sonus system uses a coaxial out and could be affected by jitter a bit. The sonus also could use a better power supply. the sonus is very convienient, but the AVP has a more pure sound. It provides an expansive soundstage.

The Interface is OK. I have been spoiled by the Sonus' Ipod like interface. The Denon is limited by its 5 key setup. It is a basic text type interface. It seems to suffice for small to medium music collections. I wouldn't want to scroll through a huge collection though. My collection is ~150 CD right now and the Denon interface is fine for that.

Darrell

Based on this observation by Goodsonics, I was wondering weather there was any difference between the way that files were accessed. Can the AVP be set to just start playing files on the USB drive when it is conected (it shouldn't matter what the physical format is, just the directory structure)? Somewhat like playing an LP. Speaking of which, has anyone tried the phono input?
post #232 of 25965
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

I do like what Denon has done with the 3808 which I used when my Halcro was away for an upgrade. I am sure the AVP-A1HD is even alot better so it will be interesting to hear what Goodsonics thinks as he also had a Halcro, not sure if the Halcro worked correctly though for Goodsonics.


MJ,

I went through 3 of the Halcros, trying to get one to work. I did get one that could play high res audio via the HDMI, but I had to run the video through the component connections. So, I was able to hear TruHD, DVD-A, SACD, etc. I know what you mean when you talk about the Halcros ability to have a 3-D like effect.

I will be able to test the last few things I want to test tomorrow, and I will post my thoughts tomorrow.

Darrell
post #233 of 25965
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Originally Posted by Wilfred View Post

Based on this observation by Goodsonics, I was wondering weather there was any difference between the way that files were accessed. Can the AVP be set to just start playing files on the USB drive when it is conected (it shouldn't matter what the physical format is, just the directory structure)? Somewhat like playing an LP. Speaking of which, has anyone tried the phono input?


Wilfred,

Files played via the network, use the same interface as when you use a USB drive. It lists the music, and you pick what you want to hear. There is no auto-start or auto-play.

Darrell
post #234 of 25965
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Spearmint View Post

Great write-up!

Thanks for posting your impressions.

Thanks.

A lot of people have been asking me, "we know it works well, has all the features you want, but how does it sound?" So I felt that it was time to give a detailed in depth review of this units sonic abilities.



Seth
post #235 of 25965
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Originally Posted by orologio View Post

thank you [b]mjaudio[b] I appreciated your posting. As i mentioned before I was very close to get the halcro but, today that the a1hd is arriving, I will never know if I would have regretted not buying it.

On the other side reading Seth's post I got the impression that he is saying that pure direct -CD DACs- performed better than the denon DACs. Please excuse my ignorance in this field, i grossly simplified what Seth said, I have a lot to learn...

Actually the Denon's DAC's sound every bit as good (and probably a tad better) that the ones in my stand alone CD Player. In my write up, I mentioned that I had also wanted to see what the Denon's internal DAC's would sound like, so I listened to the same CD's in the Denon 2500BTCI transport via HDMI. Here's a quote fom my review:

Quote:


Now to see what the Denon's internal DAC's would do for 2 channel music, I used the Denon Transport via HDMI and listened to the same CD's (Yello-Zebra, John Mayall and Friends, and Johannes Linstead-Cafe' Tropical). I'm happy to say that the Denon easily matched and even slightly surpassed my dedicated CD player (Sony CDP-XA20ES). This really impressed me, as my Sony has always bested anything I've compared it to in my setup (Integra Research RDC-7, Sunfire TGIII). So this says a lot about the DAC's and dual differential circuitry in the Denon.
post #236 of 25965
[quote=Now to see what the Denon's internal DAC's would do for 2 channel music, I used the Denon Transport via HDMI and listened to the same CD's (Yello-Zebra, John Mayall and Friends, and Johannes Linstead-Cafe' Tropical). I'm happy to say that the Denon easily matched and even slightly surpassed my dedicated CD player (Sony CDP-XA20ES). This really impressed me, as my Sony has always bested anything I've compared it to in my setup (Integra Research RDC-7, Sunfire TGIII). So this says a lot about the DAC's and dual differential circuitry in the Denon.[/QUOTE]

Thanks again for sharing your thoughts. I am happy to hear that.
Interesting enough, I have the same Sony CD player. I am trying to simplify things, that's the reason I bought the AVP in the first place, and I just can't that XA20ES go... love that machine.
post #237 of 25965
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Originally Posted by GoodSonics View Post

MJ,

I went through 3 of the Halcros, trying to get one to work. I did get one that could play high res audio via the HDMI, but I had to run the video through the component connections. So, I was able to hear TruHD, DVD-A, SACD, etc. I know what you mean when you talk about the Halcros ability to have a 3-D like effect.

I will be able to test the last few things I want to test tomorrow, and I will post my thoughts tomorrow.

Darrell

Very interested in your impressions Darrell.


Seth,

Very nice write-up. Thanks for taking the time.

Jim
post #238 of 25965
My package arrived, I will not open it in the next three days or so and I read on the box: made in china!
post #239 of 25965
Great Write up Seth! It's going to help a lot of people interested in this unit.
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Originally Posted by orologio View Post

My package arrived, I will not open it in the next three days or so and I read on the box: made in china!

China!?! I thought that these preamps would continue (at least for the near term) to be made in Japan. I wonder if all the Denon AVP's are now going to be coming out of China? I mean I have nothing against Chinese made products, but personally feel better if it says "Made in Japan". That's too weird.
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