Official Denon AVP-A1HD/AVP-A1HDCI and POA-A1HD/POA-A1HDCI owners thread. - Page 730

Originally Posted by BRADH

Now is that for 1 yr . If so they yes we are way behind.

Brad

Originally Posted by rnrgagne


Ha, I'm on my second lamp and my PJ's got a 5000 hr one. You guys are seriously under-performing!

Originally Posted by jbuccino

I just upgraded my speakers to a Paradigm Signature system (2xS8, 1xC5, 2xADP3 and 1xSUB1) and I am using my old Polk RT3000p floorstanding units as top height speakers. I ran Audyssey successfully and it recognized the S8s and the C5 as "Large" and set the crossover to 40Hz. The ADPs and the old Polks were set to Small with a 150Hz crossover. The SUB1 crossover was set to 80Hz.

My problem is that with normal stereo inputs there is no signal (or sound) from the sub. Any multichannel input plays normally and uses the sub appropriately.

Is there a setting I am missing or would this be considered "normal"? I would have thought that some signal would be played through the sub even though my fronts and center are Large.

Does anyone have any thoughts? Thanks.

Originally Posted by alebonau

interesting I wasnt aware they had made dynamic eq adjustable ? post upgrade. so what is the default setting I wonder corresponding to prior to the upgrade ? is the 0 db offset how audyssey expects us to use it ? and any adjustments +/- from that increasing or decreasing its effect ?

how does this offset work exactly ?

Originally Posted by BRADH

So it looks like the recommendations are based on the finding of the speaker and there lowest crossover. Which is correct, you should only raise the crossover never lower it.

Brad

Originally Posted by BRADH

Now is that for 1 yr . If so they yes we are way behind.

Brad

Originally Posted by rnrgagne

Brad, if you're talking about the Audyssey "Pro" choices, if it has "large" as the default, that's Denon telling it to do so. The manufacturer sets which in-room frequency response a speaker is capable of to determine whether to use a crossover. In some cases that's as high as 80hz, which is easy for most speakers to achieve. (Not sure what Denon's number is.)

With "Pro" the first choice in the drop down menu is the actual and preferred Audyssey crossover recommendation for a speaker set to large. The list is in preferential order.

Originally Posted by dbaydoun

I have noticed that after the upgrade, the Computer GUI settings do not work properly. Each time I make a change to a certain input, it makes that change for all the inputs. Example - I set the Source as DVD and tell it that the input is HDMI 1. Then I change sources to TV/Cable. Now my TV/Cable will show HDMI1 as my input, where it was previously HDMI 3. I ended up using the menu system on the OSD. Very frustrating. Am I missing something?

Originally Posted by dbaydoun

I have noticed that after the upgrade, the Computer GUI settings do not work properly. Each time I make a change to a certain input, it makes that change for all the inputs. Example - I set the Source as DVD and tell it that the input is HDMI 1. Then I change sources to TV/Cable. Now my TV/Cable will show HDMI1 as my input, where it was previously HDMI 3. I ended up using the menu system on the OSD. Very frustrating. Am I missing something?

Originally Posted by BRADH

By chance have you check to see if there are any firmware updates. I didnt try the computer GUI when I set mine up, I just used the OSD-GUI. After you made the changes with your computer did you save it. I did notice when saving my setup on the computer it took a long time before the AVP came back on after I clicked save config. One time it didnt save my setup it just keep say saving on the AVP. After 20 minutes I turned it off and closed the web browser, and started over. That time it worked fine. So maybe there is a problem with computer GUI interface.

Brad

Originally Posted by dbaydoun

Saving is not the issue. I can save (and yes it takes a while). The problem is that the changes I make to each individual source on the Computer GUI do not "save" for each individual source. Very frustrating. Yes, I have the most up to date firmware/update. Thanks for the help.

Originally Posted by WillyJ

Just curious, why aren't you using the OSD/GUI? The only time I used the computer interface was to get going at first so I could get the OSD/GUI.

Originally Posted by alebonau

frank what bookshelf speaker are they suggesting out of curiosity ?

well am pretty thrilled got a call this morning from the service centre saying that they had completed the hardware and software update on my avp and also done all the required testing and was ready to pick up just couldnt get there before closing today. but planning to be there early tomorrow to pick it up and then got the rest of the day to play !

bit of a job hooking all up and then will need to run full audssey etc so hopefully all plugged in and going and can pretty soon sit back and enjoy

Originally Posted by Franin

Firstly congratulations Al. Let us know how it all pans out. The speakers are the focal SR 1000be. I was told to keep the front sound stage the same (which is true) and I was curious to hear from other members that have used different speakers if its affected the front sound stage too much.

Originally Posted by alebonau


thanks frank will post back for sure

the SR1000be ?

as in these Frank ?

http://www.focal.com/en/home-audio-l...sr-1000-be.php

am confused, I actualy have these as my side surrounds. and they are awesome in those duties. but a lot more expensive $7k retail ? and I wouldnt call them bookshelf speakers. I would say the 1000be stand mount/bookshelf probably more fit that category ? and probably more like the price you were talking sure they havent got them confused ?

http://www.focal.com/en/home-audio-l...ra-1008-be.php

but am not sure to be honest either would really be required for the intended use though ?

personally Id say a couple of focal domes for heights of wides would probably do ?

http://www.focal.com/en/home-audio-l...akers/dome.php

they are actually very high quality speakers, full focal drivers, in a stylish package that are ideal for mounting for heights and wides I think ?

and having heard them I would say work in well in your all focal soundstage.

anyways just my thoughts frank

Originally Posted by Franin

Your right Al i got the model confused its the bookshelf. Dont get me wrong the speakers are worth every penny but for heights ???

Anyway ill have a look into it and do a bit more research.

Cheers

Originally Posted by Franin

Just curious i was talking to my installer and he said if i wanted to the upgrade and wanted to utilize the height channel i would have to get the same type of speakers in bookshelf( I understand why ). Problem is the bookshelf speakers are $4000 which will cost me $5500au( which includes the upgrade) just to do heights. Are any of you using different height speakers to your front speakers?

Originally Posted by alebonau

well am pretty thrilled got a call this morning from the service centre saying that they had completed the hardware and software update on my avp and also done all the required testing and was ready to pick up just couldnt get there before closing today. but planning to be there early tomorrow to pick it up and then got the rest of the day to play !

bit of a job hooking all up and then will need to run full audssey etc so hopefully all plugged in and going and can pretty soon sit back and enjoy

Originally Posted by WillyJ


I'm no expert by any means - and this is just food for thought here - but CHRIS K. (Chief Guru at Audyssey) told me that I could change my center channel speaker so that it no longer matched my fronts and that Audyssey will correct for any tonal differences between them. I know, this is contrary to everything out there about matching fronts and centers. I haven't tried it but I would think that if it is OK for fronts and center to be unmatched that heights and wides would be even less an issue just given their size and role. Audyssey is pretty amazing in what it does.

Originally Posted by alebonau


the 1000be bookshelf is a lovely speaker frank, I have a pair unused. but completely overkill I'd say for heights. theyd be more for use as mains or in a nice 2ch set, but heights be a bit of a waste I think ?.

Originally Posted by WillyJ

I'm no expert by any means - and this is just food for thought here - but CHRIS K. (Chief Guru at Audyssey) told me that I could change my center channel speaker so that it no longer matched my fronts and that Audyssey will correct for any tonal differences between them. I know, this is contrary to everything out there about matching fronts and centers. I haven't tried it but I would think that if it is OK for fronts and center to be unmatched that heights and wides would be even less an issue just given their size and role. Audyssey is pretty amazing in what it does.

Originally Posted by jason shep

+1,I'd have to guess that with XT32 you could get away with a lesser quality speaker for the height channels,in an ideal world they'd be the same as you're L & R for sure but it's a big expense when you have such high quality main speakers.

Originally Posted by WillyJ

I'm no expert by any means - and this is just food for thought here - but CHRIS K. (Chief Guru at Audyssey) told me that I could change my center channel speaker so that it no longer matched my fronts and that Audyssey will correct for any tonal differences between them. I know, this is contrary to everything out there about matching fronts and centers. I haven't tried it but I would think that if it is OK for fronts and center to be unmatched that heights and wides would be even less an issue just given their size and role. Audyssey is pretty amazing in what it does.

Originally Posted by rnrgagne

I take the view that you want your music producing speakers to be of the same family and that's the front five based on most available material. But for speakers like surround rear and heights where the signal is at best ambient or "manufactured" through an expansion algorithm, it makes no difference, you're not going to tell one way or the other.

FWIW, I've got $8k mains and $200 rear surrounds and I don't feel shame LOL!

When I had the Yammy Z9 I used some $150 Infinity's I bought at a close out sale for my width channels, and they sounded, well...... wide?

Originally Posted by rnrgagne

That makes sense, I doubt that most of us could hear a timber match difference between a center and mains even without Audyssey, unless they were miles apart.
I don't think our brain works that way, I think it tends to use sub-conscious logic to fill in the blanks or create the "whole" of what you're listening to. Add Audyssey and fuggetaboutit!