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post #22081 of 25091
3/8/12 at 1:15am
what a pain..

there goes my plans to use the pro kit over multiple units..

might need need to check on multi use licensing


I was more think the route of 1 license to cover multiple models not multiple brands given that each brand has different options in play making impossible to use the 1 option kit for all, for that to happen everyone would have to use the same firmware and hardware no matter the brand you buy..


I can't see that happening anytime soon can you..
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post #22082 of 25091
3/8/12 at 2:24am
^^
Although as noted, a license must be purchased for each unit on which the Pro Kit is used, the same kit can be used across various brands, just as a Pro Installer would be able to do ... having the unit owner pay some fee for the service + the $150 license.
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post #22083 of 25091
3/8/12 at 3:41am
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Great post & excellent idea using the before graph to optimise speaker positions..

Of course OmniMic, REW, etc. are easier and perhaps better for that.
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...have you tried using the curve without midrange comp ?

Not yet. it's hard for me to prioritize more experimentation when I'm finally, after all these yrs, getting the SQ I want.

IIRC of the few who tried and posted, only one fellow preferred midrange comp off. IMO the type of speaker and the xover point from mid to tweet in the internal xover are likely to be relevant factors. Some day I'll do the A/B On/Off. I also want to try to do a custom curve moving the Audyssey "dip", which is at 3KHz, so it's closer to my Dali Helicon 400's actual xover which is 2.5K.
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post #22084 of 25091
3/8/12 at 5:42am
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Of course OmniMic, REW, etc. are easier and perhaps better for that.

Not yet. it's hard for me to prioritize more experimentation when I'm finally, after all these yrs, getting the SQ I want.
I also want to try to do a custom curve moving the Audyssey "dip", which is at 3KHz, so it's closer to my Dali Helicon 400's actual xover which is 2.5K.

I am the same,I like the sound of the standard curve (I use flat for music) & like to use what little time I get to listen to music rather than faff about trying different curves.
I have a feeling my Kef reference xover at 2.5k also,maybe one day I'll try moving the dip down too.
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post #22085 of 25091
3/8/12 at 6:01am
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AFAIK, not via the remote; however, you can do it via the "Dynamic EQ" button on the front panel. Otherwise, there are Dyn Volume discrete codes available if using a Harmony remote or RS-232 type remote.

Using a Quick Select button, you would set Dynamic Volume to ON and at a specific setting (ie. Day, Evening, Midnight) and then re-memorize the Quick Select button used for that source by pressing/holding the button for several seconds. You could then use another Quick Select button to set it to OFF for that same source.

Thanks. I do use the Harmony One for that system, so I will need to poke around in the software for Dynamic Volume Off/On toggle button.
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post #22086 of 25091
3/8/12 at 6:44am
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Thanks. I do use the Harmony One for that system, so I will need to poke around in the software for Dynamic Volume Off/On toggle button.

There are three discrete commands that work on both XT32 and Volume. Both off, XT32 On, XT32 and Dynamic Vol On

SJ
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post #22087 of 25091
3/8/12 at 6:52am
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There are three discrete commands that work on both XT32 and Volume. Both off, XT32 On, XT32 and Dynamic Vol On

SJ

Thanks. Because of a tip from another member, I did some digging and found this doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...LMVA2Ync#gid=0

I still don't see discrete Dynamic Volume On/Off, which would mimic the AVP's front panel button.

And then there's the whole issue of Logitech even giving me access to the above codes
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post #22088 of 25091
3/8/12 at 6:56am
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I had time tonight to run XT32 twice, and do some A/B'ing on some 5.1 SACDs, including James Taylor's "JT". This one in particular allows me to focus on vocal clarity and soundstage. Incredibly, the XT32 provided for a more realistic, less-pinched sound, especially in the vocals.

I have that SACD also and the vocals have always sounded a bit weak in comparison to the music. Thought it was just a bad recording or one of those SACD's that was upconverted or converted from a bad source. Sounds like our rooms might be similar or maybe our ears are both equally bad.
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post #22089 of 25091
3/8/12 at 7:51am
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I have that SACD also and the vocals have always sounded a bit weak in comparison to the music. Thought it was just a bad recording or one of those SACD's that was upconverted or converted from a bad source. Sounds like our rooms might be similar or maybe our ears are both equally bad.

Different songs have a bit different 5.1 vocal mix, i.e. hard center or spread out throughout the channels. So, it's a gives me a good reference for multi-channel balance/tone/integration.

Are you using XT32?
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post #22090 of 25091
3/8/12 at 8:11am
I was wondering how you can hookup 2 subs with PRO, with a 7.2 setup? I only see 8 inputs on PRO.

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Brad
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post #22091 of 25091
3/8/12 at 8:31am
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I was wondering how you can hookup 2 subs with PRO, with a 7.2 setup? I only see 8 inputs on PRO.

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Brad

They're talking about using the Pro calibration option within the AVP itself (you purchase a kit and license from Audyssey), not the standalone Pro unit.
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post #22092 of 25091
3/8/12 at 8:49am
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They're talking about using the Pro calibration option within the AVP itself (you purchase a kit and license from Audyssey), not the standalone Pro unit.

Ok so I would buy the pro kit http://www.shop.perfecthometheater.c...words=audyssey here and license from Audyssey. Is this what you are talking about? If so I guess I am lost on how it would hook up to the AVP.

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Brad
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post #22093 of 25091
3/8/12 at 8:52am
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Ok so I would buy the pro kit http://www.shop.perfecthometheater.c...words=audyssey here and license from Audyssey. Is this what you are talking about? If so I guess I am lost on how it would hook up to the AVP.

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Brad

Yes, that's what we're talking about. The kit hooks up to a computer and the AVP. Once the calibration is done, it gets loaded into the AVP and you pack up and put the kit away. The Pro kit gives you the option to use more measurements, allows more control over the response curve, and uses a higher quality microphone for the calibration.
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post #22094 of 25091
3/8/12 at 8:54am
How does the Pro kit load the data into the AVP?

And I can still do 3 separate subs with XT32, with independent correction for each?
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post #22095 of 25091
3/8/12 at 8:56am
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Yes, that's what we're talking about. The kit hooks up to a computer and the AVP. Once the calibration is done, it gets loaded into the AVP and you pack up and put the kit away. The Pro kit gives you the option to use more measurements, allows more control over the response curve, and uses a higher quality microphone for the calibration.

Ok. In the manual it show hooking up the 8 leads to the AVP, which would leave me one short with 2 subs. Unless I am missing something which wouldnt be the first time or the last.

Thanks for the help

Brad
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post #22096 of 25091
3/8/12 at 9:07am
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Different songs have a bit different 5.1 vocal mix, i.e. hard center or spread out throughout the channels. So, it's a gives me a good reference for multi-channel balance/tone/integration.

Are you using XT32?

I guess my point was that if XT32 improved that disc for your system then it (XT32) would also improve it on my system since I also found that disc to be a little out of balance with regard to vocals when compared to the rest of my SACDs.

More reason for me to get the upgrade.
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post #22097 of 25091
3/8/12 at 10:03am
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I guess my point was that if XT32 improved that disc for your system then it (XT32) would also improve it on my system since I also found that disc to be a little out of balance with regard to vocals when compared to the rest of my SACDs.

More reason for me to get the upgrade.

You should get it. XT was unbearable to me, so XT32 is a remarkable improvement.
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post #22098 of 25091
3/8/12 at 10:48am
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I still don't see discrete Dynamic Volume On/Off, which would mimic the AVP's front panel button.

After the upgrade, the front panel Dyn EQ button toggles between Dyn Vol ON/OFF just as item #27 (DynEQVolToggle) in that spreadsheet does as well.
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post #22099 of 25091
3/8/12 at 10:50am
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How does the Pro kit load the data into the AVP?

And I can still do 3 separate subs with XT32, with independent correction for each?

IIRC, the microphone plugs into one of the front panel RCA connectors for the front panel audio inputs, then there's a USB or RS-232 connection between the AVP and a Windows PC (or laptop) you run the Audyssey Pro software on. The software gives you a user interface to gather the calibration points, adjust your target curve, and finally load the final calibration into the AVP (over the USB / RS-232 connection). Not sure if you get independent correction for all 3 subs or just for 2 - someone else should be able to answer that.

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Ok. In the manual it show hooking up the 8 leads to the AVP, which would leave me one short with 2 subs. Unless I am missing something which wouldnt be the first time or the last.

What manual are you talking about? You hook your amps and subs up to the AVP. Basically, instead of using the el-cheapo Audyssey microphone that comes with the AVP, you use a better one and some software running on a Windows PC / laptop to do the calibration. Once the calibration has been done, you disconnect the microphone and PC.

Edit: Are you talking about the manualhere, page 14, where they discuss "Amplifier Connections to the Sound Equalizer"? If so, I'm not sure what they're talking about there - it's not something you need to worry about. The microphone connects to the calibrated microphone preamp and the output of that goes directly to the AVP. The only other connection needed is between the AVP and the computer that is running the Audyssey software. This thread may help explain things a bit better.
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post #22100 of 25091
3/8/12 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

After the upgrade, the front panel Dyn EQ button toggles between Dyn Vol ON/OFF just as item #27 (DynEQVolToggle) in that spreadsheet does as well.

The spreadsheet confused me because it says DYN EQ/VOL OFF > DYN EQ ONLY > DYN EQ/VOL ON, but if it works like the button, it will be fine.


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IIRC, the microphone plugs into one of the front panel RCA connectors for the front panel audio inputs, then there's a USB or RS-232 connection between the AVP and a Windows PC (or laptop) you run the Audyssey Pro software on. The software gives you a user interface to gather the calibration points, adjust your target curve, and finally load the final calibration into the AVP (over the USB / RS-232 connection). Not sure if you get independent correction

Cool, thanks. I'll go knock around the Audyssey Pro thread for a few more questions. I just need to sell my AS-EQ1, then I'll grab that Pro kit.
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post #22101 of 25091
3/8/12 at 11:16am
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IIRC, the microphone plugs into one of the front panel RCA connectors for the front panel audio inputs, then there's a USB or RS-232 connection between the AVP and a Windows PC (or laptop) you run the Audyssey Pro software on. The software gives you a user interface to gather the calibration points, adjust your target curve, and finally load the final calibration into the AVP (over the USB / RS-232 connection). Not sure if you get independent correction for all 3 subs or just for 2 - someone else should be able to answer that.



What manual are you talking about? You hook your amps and subs up to the AVP. Basically, instead of using the el-cheapo Audyssey microphone that comes with the AVP, you use a better one and some software running on a Windows PC / laptop to do the calibration. Once the calibration has been done, you disconnect the microphone and PC.

Edit: Are you talking about the manualhere, page 14, where they discuss "Amplifier Connections to the Sound Equalizer"? If so, I'm not sure what they're talking about there - it's not something you need to worry about. The microphone connects to the calibrated microphone preamp and the output of that goes directly to the AVP. The only other connection needed is between the AVP and the computer that is running the Audyssey software. This thread may help explain things a bit better.

Thats it. Maybe its for the stand alone EQ. I thought thats what was on the back of the Audyssey mic pre-amp and that was the way it hooked up to the AVP. Thanks for the link.

Thanks again for the help.

Brad
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post #22102 of 25091
3/8/12 at 12:39pm
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The spreadsheet confused me because it says DYN EQ/VOL OFF > DYN EQ ONLY > DYN EQ/VOL ON, but if it works like the button, it will be fine.

Understood. I can't comment from experience as I don't have a Harmony remote, however, would agree that the center command is redundant, and not sure what purpose it serves.
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post #22103 of 25091
3/8/12 at 1:12pm
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Not sure if you get independent correction for all 3 subs or just for 2 - someone else should be able to answer that.
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Yes it does.
Plus it now has a cool feature where you use it to set the SPL levels at the prime position so they're identically before you run the calibration. I think you set them betwen 75db to 80db.

This is a big hassle saving, I remember having to alter the volume on my subs after doing three measurements & starting over because I was getting -12db cuts that you don't want.
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post #22104 of 25091
3/8/12 at 6:00pm
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Understood. I can't comment from experience as I don't have a Harmony remote, however, would agree that the center command is redundant, and not sure what purpose it serves.

After the upgrade, you ARE NOT able to toggle the Dynamic EQ / Dynamic Volume on / off. I use to love this option (via my Harmony One remote), but it is no longer effective post upgrade. This button now just brings up the Audyssey Menu in the GUI/OSD. We discussed this a few pages back if you want to look into it more. Good luck.
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post #22105 of 25091
3/8/12 at 6:27pm
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After the upgrade, you ARE NOT able to toggle the Dynamic EQ / Dynamic Volume on / off. I use to love this option (via my Harmony One remote), but it is no longer effective post upgrade. This button now just brings up the Audyssey Menu in the GUI/OSD. We discussed this a few pages back if you want to look into it more. Good luck.

Damn. No one found a solution or work around? I guess for the time being I will have to use the front panel button.
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post #22106 of 25091
3/9/12 at 2:08am
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Damn. No one found a solution or work around? I guess for the time being I will have to use the front panel button.

not end of the world, it just brings up the menu which lets you select the choice you want in anycase
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post #22107 of 25091
3/9/12 at 2:26am
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not end of the world, it just brings up the menu which lets you select the choice you want in anycase

I actually prefer it this way
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post #22108 of 25091
3/9/12 at 2:38am
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Yes it does.
Plus it now has a cool feature where you use it to set the SPL levels at the prime position so they're identically before you run the calibration. I think you set them betwen 75db to 80db.

This is a big hassle saving, I remember having to alter the volume on my subs after doing three measurements & starting over because I was getting -12db cuts that you don't want.

My AVP is still away being 'done' but this change looks very useful because I used to get -12 dB on my front L/R/C speakers which cast doubt on everything I set up. So, I can pre-set this sort of thing with the latest firmware/hardware, right?
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post #22109 of 25091
3/9/12 at 3:48am
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No ... this feature only applies to the sub(s). Your best bet for highly efficient speakers (100db+) is most likely adding in line attenuators.
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post #22110 of 25091
3/9/12 at 3:49am
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After the upgrade, you ARE NOT able to toggle the Dynamic EQ / Dynamic Volume on / off. I use to love this option (via my Harmony One remote), but it is no longer effective post upgrade. This button now just brings up the Audyssey Menu in the GUI/OSD. We discussed this a few pages back if you want to look into it more. Good luck.

Thanks for the correction. I only pop into this thread every once in awhile and missed that discussion.
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