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post #22531 of 25965
Another silly question:
With the upgraded unit, would it be possible to have audyssey active on a different zone, even if it's actually the same set of speaker in the same location -just a different output/zone?
post #22532 of 25965
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Although on the AVR-XX11 and newer models there is now a separate headphone channel level setting, AFAIK, on the AVP it is the same as the front main speaker channel level setting. If not currently using the Quick Selects, you could setup a Quick Select for the source you listen to with the headphones with the front mains set to 0db, although another Quick Select would then also have to be setup with the -6db setting as well.

Thanks thats what i figured as a work around but i don't see why the h*** they so channel settings at all on headphones can anyone come up with a good use ?

Daniel.
post #22533 of 25965
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Originally Posted by orologio View Post

Another silly question:
With the upgraded unit, would it be possible to have audyssey active on a different zone, even if it's actually the same set of speaker in the same location -just a different output/zone?

You mean run Audyssey for something other than the main Zone? Not possible.

You could re-assign Front L/R to another set of pre-amp outputs and run an amp off of that.
post #22534 of 25965
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Originally Posted by sjht View Post

had mine done at media associates in mountain view. Done in a day. They were great to work with. Sj

+1
post #22535 of 25965
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post


You mean run Audyssey for something other than the main Zone? Not possible.

You could re-assign Front L/R to another set of pre-amp outputs and run an amp off of that.

Well, that was my hope, to be able to assign L/R to zone 2/4 digital out.... but I don't see how.
post #22536 of 25965
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Originally Posted by orologio View Post

Well, that was my hope, to be able to assign L/R to zone 2/4 digital out.... but I don't see how.

You can duplicate assign front l/r to sbl/sbr (if you're not using those channels) and send that signal somewhere. It won't be tied to zone 2' however, and it definitely will be analog.
post #22537 of 25965
So what do you guys think about the fan(s) in the AVP? I don't know if the volume from the fan has gotten any louder since I got the AVP 2+ years ago, but I am starting to notice it more. I can hear it from about 10ft away, when there is no music playing.

When I got my 3D update, I took off the top cover and blew out the innards with an air compressor. Plenty of force! It wasn't very dusty after two years, so I don't imagine it's gotten much worse in the 2 month's since I did that.

It's kind of a joke that Pure Direct doesn't really appear to shut off the video circuits, because the fan I hear (I think) is coming on to cool the Realta chip. Seems like Pure Direct would shut down almost everything, negating the need for fans.

My AVP is on the top shelf of a stand-alone rack, open on all sides, plenty of ventilation. If I get bored, maybe I will take it apart to see which fan is making the noise, and see if there is an ultra quiet replacement version.
post #22538 of 25965
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

So what do you guys think about the fan(s) in the AVP? I don't know if the volume from the fan has gotten any louder since I got the AVP 2+ years ago, but I am starting to notice it more. I can hear it from about 10ft away, when there is no music playing.

When I got my 3D update, I took off the top cover and blew out the innards with an air compressor. Plenty of force! It wasn't very dusty after two years, so I don't imagine it's gotten much worse in the 2 month's since I did that.

It's kind of a joke that Pure Direct doesn't really appear to shut off the video circuits, because the fan I hear (I think) is coming on to cool the Realta chip. Seems like Pure Direct would shut down almost everything, negating the need for fans.

My AVP is on the top shelf of a stand-alone rack, open on all sides, plenty of ventilation. If I get bored, maybe I will take it apart to see which fan is making the noise, and see if there is an ultra quiet replacement version.

There's a fan on the AVP? I never knew there was one on it; In fact, I added 2 of those PC fans to mine blowing across the top of the unit 'cause I was worried about the heat.

Did the upgrade add one?
post #22539 of 25965
Anyone with the upgrade actually tried the new 3D feature yet? Mine is in the shop today getting the upgrade done (nail bite) but was wondering if anyone has actually watched a Blu Ray 3D movie through the AVP with the upgrade.
post #22540 of 25965
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

There's a fan on the AVP? I never knew there was one on it; In fact, I added 2 of those PC fans to mine blowing across the top of the unit 'cause I was worried about the heat.

Did the upgrade add one?

No it has always been there but it has a limited function basically to keep the realta video chip cool. Now there are pictures out from pre-production units (we assume) that don't have them but as far as i know all production units have them :

with fan, notice they rerouted some of the wires :



without :



Daniel.
post #22541 of 25965
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

There's a fan on the AVP? I never knew there was one on it; In fact, I added 2 of those PC fans to mine blowing across the top of the unit 'cause I was worried about the heat.

Did the upgrade add one?

Yes, there's at least a couple of fans in the AVP. They were not added as part of the upgrade.

Run your AVP for an hour, then turn everything else off in the room. You should be able to hear the fan(s).
post #22542 of 25965
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

No it has always been there but it has a limited function basically to keep the realta video chip cool. Now there are pictures out from pre-production units (we assume) that don't have them but as far as i know all production units have them

Nice pics. Yep, here's the bugger. I though I saw more than one when I last had the top off.
LL
post #22543 of 25965
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

Yes, there's at least a couple of fans in the AVP. They were not added as part of the upgrade.

Run your AVP for an hour, then turn everything else off in the room. You should be able to hear the fan(s).

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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

No it has always been there but it has a limited function basically to keep the realta video chip cool. Now there are pictures out from pre-production units (we assume) that don't have them but as far as i know all production units have them :

with fan, notice they rerouted some of the wires :

(Picture omitted)

without :

(Picture omitted)

Daniel.

I probably have never noticed them running before because of the loudness of the 2 PC fans that I have rigged up blowing across the outside top of the case.

Just got my AVP back from the shop for the upgrade. Getting ready to sit down and sort it out (ugghh) and hook things up again.

For those of you in the Southeast US that want to use Norman's in Atlanta for the upgrade, so far I have had a pleasant experience overall. Will hold final judgement until I get the unit hooked up and confirm everything works as it should.
post #22544 of 25965
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

I probably have never noticed them running before because of the loudness of the 2 PC fans that I have rigged up blowing across the outside top of the case.

Yea, that's definitely going to drown out the internal fan!

It's only about as loud as a laptop fan, if that...

Good luck on the re-hookup. That's what I dread the most!
post #22545 of 25965
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

I probably have never noticed them running before because of the loudness of the 2 PC fans that I have rigged up blowing across the outside top of the case.

Just got my AVP back from the shop for the upgrade. Getting ready to sit down and sort it out (ugghh) and hook things up again.

For those of you in the Southeast US that want to use Norman's in Atlanta for the upgrade, so far I have had a pleasant experience overall. Will hold final judgement until I get the unit hooked up and confirm everything works as it should.

Congrats on the upgrade, and thanks for going first ;-)

I'll need to schedule mine for sometime in May.

2 PC fans top, eh? Must be something us HotLanta boys do, because my AVP also has 2 80mm fans atop the case, powered by a 12v transformer plugged into the switched outlets.
post #22546 of 25965
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

Nice pics. Yep, here's the bugger. I though I saw more than one when I last had the top off.

As far as i know there is only one inside the avp, and unlike in the older models its not controlled by anything it always runs. There are 5 inside the poa but these are controlled in ways you never hear them for one they only become active (if needed) when the volume is above -20dB.

Daniel.
post #22547 of 25965
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Originally Posted by JonFo View Post

2 PC fans top, eh? Must be something us HotLanta boys do, because my AVP also has 2 80mm fans atop the case, powered by a 12v transformer plugged into the switched outlets.

Well I'm in "Raincouver" and I added a fan as well, but just as a preventative measure. My AVP is in a sealed cabinet so I drilled a handful of 1-1/2" holes on the bottom shelf it sits on and mounted a fan on the top back to draw out the air.
I got a variable transformer to power it and found that dropping the voltage got it to an almost silent mode and that it moves enough air to keep the AVP nice and cool.
post #22548 of 25965
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

For those of you in the Southeast US that want to use Norman's in Atlanta for the upgrade, so far I have had a pleasant experience overall. Will hold final judgement until I get the unit hooked up and confirm everything works as it should.

Congratulations! Glad you had a good experience with Norman's
Very interested in your comments about the upgrade after you have it set back up.
post #22549 of 25965
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Originally Posted by JonFo View Post

Congrats on the upgrade, and thanks for going first ;-)

I'll need to schedule mine for sometime in May.

2 PC fans top, eh? Must be something us HotLanta boys do, because my AVP also has 2 80mm fans atop the case, powered by a 12v transformer plugged into the switched outlets.

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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

Congratulations! Glad you had a good experience with Norman's
Very interested in your comments about the upgrade after you have it set back up.

If you decide to go with Norman's, talk to Tim Keen. He is a technician but I coordinated everything with him and I think he understood my concerns with leaving it in the hands of others. I ordered the kit on a Monday and it arrived exactly 7 days later. I arranged the install for Friday at 10AM and they called me at 12:30PM for pickup.

I hooked everything back up yesterday just to verify it all works properly. Haven't tested everything or calibrated yet because today it went back into mothballs for a few more weeks while I finish up my room expansion. I sort of surfed through the GUI and spent maybe 2 hours playing with it and it seems OK so far. Probably won't get back around to tweaking things until June or July.

Today I am running all my low voltage wires in my attic wading through about 3 feet of blown in fiberglass insulation. Of course, we are having one of the warmest springs on record and I am hard-headed about doing things myself. Briefly regretted buying 10 gauge speaker wire for my front mains while up there fishing 100 feet of it around pipes, trusses, and HVAC! I am pooped and only halfway done - gotta get up early tomorrow and finish it up while still bearable up there.
post #22550 of 25965
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Today I am running all my low voltage wires in my attic wading through about 3 feet of blown in fiberglass insulation. Of course, we are having one of the warmest springs on record and I am hard-headed about doing things myself. Briefly regretted buying 10 gauge speaker wire for my front mains while up there fishing 100 feet of it around pipes, trusses, and HVAC! I am pooped and only halfway done - gotta get up early tomorrow and finish it up while still bearable up there.

Funny, I'm doing the same. I'm actually going to re-run my wires for my outdoor speakers from being a Zone 2 of the AVP, to a Zone 2 of my on-the-way 4311CI. I am going to start at 7am tomorrow. The attic will wear you out fast.
post #22551 of 25965
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

As far as i know there is only one inside the avp, and unlike in the older models its not controlled by anything it always runs. There are 5 inside the poa but these are controlled in ways you never hear them for one they only become active (if needed) when the volume is above -20dB.

Daniel.

Corect about avp"s fan. Wrong about poa"s fans. They are thermostat controlled and voltage controlled.Nothing to do with volume daniel.
Those fans kick in indepedently one of the other , according to the value of a thermistor on the respective chanel heat pipe.
post #22552 of 25965
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

Corect about avp"s fan. Wrong about poa"s fans. They are thermostat controlled and voltage controlled.Nothing to do with volume daniel.
Those fans kick in indepedently one of the other , according to the value of a thermistor on the respective chanel heat pipe.

Sorry i didn't list all the ways they are controlled, what i heard was that volume as also a parameter in this. Do you have specific information how they are controlled ?

Edit: if you are saying voltage controlled, its a power amp are we not saying thats volume based ? Or does it kick in if the rail voltage goes down or something ? Little confused please explain.

Daniel.
post #22553 of 25965
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

Funny, I'm doing the same. I'm actually going to re-run my wires for my outdoor speakers from being a Zone 2 of the AVP, to a Zone 2 of my on-the-way 4311CI. I am going to start at 7am tomorrow. The attic will wear you out fast.

I can only blame myself for having to run the wires this time. I created a media room (of sorts) 2 years ago but discovered it was too small (12x15). I had extra insulation added right after that to keep the sound down and help with utility bills. Now I am expanding the room to 15x20 and gotta re-run all the wires that are buried and hidden under the insulation. The closet where my gear is located is really hard to get to and I literally have to lay on my stomach and crawl around. Too many turns and nooks and crannies to run conduit so I am stuck doing it the hard way. Plus, I am going from 5.1 to 7.1 and adding in the front wides and adding Sub 2 cable to take advantage of the AVP upgrade features so I have even more wires to fish.

I timed things so it wouldn't be too cold or hot in the attic but old man Murphy got me again. I had to stop at 11AM this morning.

Good luck with your project and enjoy the 4311 - Must be nice to be a 2 Denon family. I think I saw where you upgraded your AVP so you are spending some bucks too.......
post #22554 of 25965
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Good luck with your project and enjoy the 4311 - Must be nice to be a 2 Denon family. I think I saw where you upgraded your AVP so you are spending some bucks too.......

I feel you pain brother. My house is 34 years old, which means lots of crawling on my stomach and avoiding ducting and a million wires. I decided (needed, really) to move my Cat5e home run from one room to another (office), and that means re-pulling every single drop in the house. It's a work in progress. I have U-verse via ethernet, so every room has a drop. A few weeks ago, I actually pulled dual Cat6 to a new location the living room via an outside wall. It was previously deemed "impossible", but after 3 weekends, I made it work. That drop will go down in the Wire Pull Hall of Fame

I'm actually a three-Denon-family, as I have a AVR-5800 in the bedroom. Stereo only.

Unfortunately, I'm going to have to come up with some more bucks, because last night the 5-channel Sony TA-N9000ES that I use to power the C/SR/SL for the AVP gave up the ghost I'm running the AVP just in stereo right now, and I'm not happy about it. Supposedly the Sony amp is fixable, but I took it apart today, and replacing the (potentially) problem resistors is more than I can handle.

Anyone seen a new-in-box POA on 70% off close-out?
post #22555 of 25965
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Anyone seen a new-in-box POA on 70% off close-out?

If I did, I'd probably buy it to get a twin for mine and bridge all channels just because .
post #22556 of 25965
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If I did, I'd probably buy it to get a twin for mine and bridge all channels just because .

And this thread is the only place on earth where we'd cheer you on for doing so!

Two years ago, Amazon had the POA for 35% off. I wanted to pull the trigger, but just couldn't. I really only need additional other channels of amplification!
post #22557 of 25965
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if i did, i'd probably buy it to get a twin for mine and bridge all channels just because :d.

+1!!
post #22558 of 25965
Vann's currently has a store demo (minor cosmetic blemishes) unit at 50% off MSRP and free shipping. Apparently they don't have the original box, but claim they'll pack it for safe shipping. Not a good enough discount to temp me even though they're probably selling it at about their cost.

DakMart has refurbs for about 42% off MSRP. I've heard so many mixed reviews of these guys, that I'm not tempted.

Amazon has 1 left in stock, but at full MSRP.

I guess I'll live with just the 1 POA for now .
post #22559 of 25965
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Sorry i didn't list all the ways they are controlled, what i heard was that volume as also a parameter in this. Do you have specific information how they are controlled ?

Edit: if you are saying voltage controlled, its a power amp are we not saying thats volume based ? Or does it kick in if the rail voltage goes down or something ? Little confused please explain.

Daniel.

Ok , here"s how it works.
Rail voltage has nothing to do with that.
Temperature sensors on the heat pipes ,sense the temperature. If a certain value is reached thermocouplers close to activate fan(s).If the rate of temp change is positive , meaning temp is still rising sensors read that and the monitoring circuit gives a voltage increase command to the fan(s).If further temp rise is observed the voltage increases more.Finally if a certain limit of temp is reached the monitoring circuit commands , what is called THERMAL SHUTDOWN.
There other thermocouples open, so the power goes off.
Power remains off until the thermocoupler cools down , a click may be heard.
Then it restores power back. Not volume controlled , but sensor controlled.
Basically a very simple way to monitor temp. The only modern touch is that it can increase or decrease fan"s speed.
Hope this helps.
John.
post #22560 of 25965
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

Ok , here"s how it works.
Rail voltage has nothing to do with that.
Temperature sensors on the heat pipes ,sense the temperature. If a certain value is reached thermocouplers close to activate fan(s).If the rate of temp change is positive , meaning temp is still rising sensors read that and the monitoring circuit gives a voltage increase command to the fan(s).If further temp rise is observed the voltage increases more.Finally if a certain limit of temp is reached the monitoring circuit commands , what is called THERMAL SHUTDOWN.
There other thermocouples open, so the power goes off.
Power remains off until the thermocoupler cools down , a click may be heard.
Then it restores power back. Not volume controlled , but sensor controlled.
Basically a very simple way to monitor temp. The only modern touch is that it can increase or decrease fan"s speed.
Hope this helps.
John.

What you talk about is simple temp control, which is fine with me i just heard it has a more complex system i guess my the info they gave me is wrong. You base this in schematics you have ?

Daniel.
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