Official Denon AVP-A1HD/AVP-A1HDCI and POA-A1HD/POA-A1HDCI owners thread. - Page 758

Have a drink(s) and read AVS Forum. Although that may lead to spending even more $$$$s....

Reread his question/reply and have no idea how i got into zone-2 thinking sorry must have been some other mail i checked just before and mixed them up. Then i also don't know what JDSoothie is thinking because it should be possible and i think its limited how you outlined i know of no way to set these speeds, kind of a pity but al24 is fixed and probably later in the chain so even if possible would not be flexible.

Again sorry to confuse.

Daniel.

On p. 17 of the Owner's manual it indicates ...

Make analog connections if you wish to record analog audio signals, or digital connections if you wish to record digital audio signals, depending on the types of connectors on the components being used.

which is what led to my previous response (and what is common to all the AVR models).

However, on p. 22 it indicates ....

If the signal inputted to ZONE2 is analog, change to PCM(2-channel) signal, and output it from ZONE2 optical output connectors.

which confirms the OP's intentions, so my mistake.

So to summarize my understanding so far:

An analog signal input to zone 2 can be output as analog or optical (digital) on the zone 2 outputs; However, the digital signal output would be limited to 16/44

I am thinking GSR's recommendation of the Benchmark unit is spot-on; I can easily leave the Benchmark in my rack and simply use the AVP to switch the analog output to the Benchmark via XLR and get a very good analog signal that I can then manipulate with the Benchmark to get the digital result I want. Looks like the Benchmark is bit and sample rate adjustable up to 24/192

The Benchmark was more an example of options that are available external to the AVP. My recommendation would be to just use the digital output from the AVP .

I'm definitely going to have to do some comparisons.

Thanks to all for their input. When I get around to actually ripping some vinyl, I will be sure to post my results.

Hi all,
I have been using my macmini connected to my AVP with an optical cable for my music for over a year now & I'm really happy with the sound,I have been wondering though if I can connect via a USB cable as I believe it eliminates jitter that spdif suffers from.

I would still want to use remote via phone/iPad to control the mac & not the built in interface though,anyone doing this,is it possible ?

Jason

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USB jack supports USB memory devices only (p. 69).

Thanks jdsmoothie,
so much easier to ask all the AVP experts here than look at the manual

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I quote the manual as that is all I have to go by (which as previously noted sometimes gets me in trouble ), not being affluent enough to step in you and your fellow AVP Owner's shoes.

You don't have to be affluent; Just borrow the money like everyone else in the world. (Then default on repayment and let others pay for it.)

In regard to the vinyl ripping with the AVP discussion, I saw this last night:

http://www.furutech.com/a2008/product2.asp?prodNo=374

At first blush, it looks like one of those phono stages with a USB output; However, it is more than that. The phono stage can be bypassed so that a line level analog signal can be fed to the ADC in the unit for output via USB. Also, it looks like it can convert up to 24/96 maximum which is more than sufficient for my needs. Not sure about the quality of the ADC chip and how it would compare to the AVP's so it is possible the AVP at 16/44 might sound better than this thing at 24/96. At $525.00 though, it might be something to fiddle with. They make some pretty good products and I think it is Japanese built.

I don't know that I could tell the difference between one ADC & another since most of them spec out within ridiculous tolerances, well beyond what we should be able to hear.

Still, I'm amazed how the AVP can retain that "organic" vinyl sound through the ADC/processing/room correction/DAC and analog output stages.

I don"t know about the bencxhmark , but i sure know about vinyl.
AVP"S onboard phono is a game. It will never work correctly with a low output cartridge.
Never. It is also a never well heard phono stage,
If you are looking onto someone try else where.
Just my 2 cnts

If i"m a bit rough i don"t mean to ....

Right, but an external phono stage can be connected to the AVP and then the AVP's ADC can be used to convert it to digital to record on his computer. The only question is whether the AVP's ADC is good enough for what he wants or if something external (such as the Benchmark ADC that I used as an example) would give him better results. Either way, use of an external phono preamp is the way to go.

I have been able to make quality vinyl rips on here using the analog phono in stage to the zone 2 optical out to my macbook with pretty solid results.

The AVP has one of the better built in ones I've heard since using multi-channel front ends, but I definitely got a big improvement using my GCPH.

I probably should have mentioned that above so jomark911 didn't have to get so rough!

All of the other MC front-ends I tried vinyl through just gave me a "so what" performance, and didn't do anything to re-kindle my interest. The AVP's phono stage was the first to hint there might be something better in store and that's what led me to the GCPH.

Never entered my mind to use the phono stage built into the AVP. I have a very nice all-tube Fosgate signature phono stage which has a huge soundstage. I run it in through the AVP's analog inputs.

Like rnrgagne, I find that my vinyl rig sounds pretty amazing through the AVP in analog format which then gets converted to digital for Audyssey and then back to analog for output. I tried straight analog all the way through but didn't like it - bass is a big issue in my room and I never could get it right without Audyssey engaged. The benefits of Audyssey greatly outweighed any loss all the conversions put into it.

If you're happy with the sound when using the AVP to convert the output from your phono stage to digital so Audyssey can be applied, then I suspect you'll be happy using the digital output from the AVP to record your LP's onto your computer as the A to D conversion will be the same.

Except that it would be at 16/44 and I am thinking I will need more......Won't know until I do some listening tests but I will definitely try the AVP first, by itself, to see how it sounds at 16/44 then maybe experiment with either the Furutech or Benchmark.

Even though it will be at 16/44, it should end up sounding exactly the same as it does today when you play your LP's through your AVP with Audyssey enabled. So if you play the recorded digital files through the AVP, I would expect it to sound exactly the same as playing the LP through the AVP. Of course, it's possible that if you use an external ADC to record at a higher quality level, you could end up with something that sounds even better (than playing directly from your phono stage through the AVP), but I suspect you'd have to get something at the Benchmark level or better to accomplish that (as a higher bitrate alone doesn't guarantee a better end result).

Just came back from Mykonos (greece) and had to be careful with jokes like that. But i did see a nice boat in the harbor :

http://www.proteksan-turquoise.com/y...the-water/nb53

Maybe i should try that tactic on that one, now where did i leave my credit card.

Daniel.

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Proof that some people just have way too much money..

I don"t know how deep you are into vinyl but let me post my experience since i"ve spend quite some time with it.
If the the tt, tonearm ,cartridge , are of a , at least good quality, you are going to need a separate phono stage to do the job. Specially if the cart is mc . On board phono doesn"t support mc cart"s. So a outboard phono can be used and it"s output send to avp for digitization. Although as previously said will be of a 16/44.1 nature. It sure does the trick , but not very convincengly.
A separate adc of higher class like 24/192 , would the job correctly. That is if you want to take full advantage of vinyl"s content.
There are studios all around that can take care of that , with a fair amount of money. It sure is the right way to do it.
I have tried to digitize vinyls through my sony dat recorder, 60es. Although i managed to capture most of the music information , there was something missing. The air , finesse , some small details that could not be captured.
Just my 2c"s

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Maybe I'm mis-interpreting you guys...

But I thought the ADC's in the AVP were 192/24 for all channels, including phono & multichannel analog inputs.

The AVP has Burr Brown PCM1804 ADC's which I believe are capable of 192/24 upsampling. At least that's the information I have.

Am I wrong?

Right - we've been talking about using an outboard phono preamp all along (in my case, a PS Audio GCPH). My phono equipment is: Basis 2001 Turntable, Benz Ruby 2 low output MC Cartridge, and a Graham 1.5 Tonearm. Other than the fact that a high quality outboard phono preamp should give better results, the use of the internal or an external phono preamp is really irrelevant to this discussion. The discussion is about how to get high quality analog to digital conversion that can be captured on a computer. For the sake of this discussion just assume we're talking about a any very high quality analog source that we want to record on a computer (it could be LP's or it could be something else).


This is something we need to check on (see below in my response to ss9001).


My assumption had been that the AVP converts analog inputs to digital at 16/44.1, since this is what it outputs on the Zone2 digital output. If Willy is happy with the sound he currently gets with an external phono preamp AND if the AVP does convert analog inputs to digital at 16/44.1, then recording the digital output from the AVP and then playing it back later ought to give identical results to just playing the original analog source through the AVP (assuming he's using Audyssey when he listens, resulting in the analog input always being converted to digital). But... (see below):


If you're right (and you very well could be), then the AVP must be downsampling the Zone2 digital output. That could very well be what's happening and if so, my theory that playing back the recording of the Zone2 digital output won't be the same as playing the analog source through the AVP (with conversion to digital to apply Audyssey). If this is the case, then an external ADC will indeed give the best results to make high quality digital copies of the analog source. This actually makes sense given just how good the sound is if you let the AVP digitize analog inputs so the processing in the AVP can be used.

Its not the boat but the 20 person crew that makes me doubt, I was drinking something and watching the crew have a meeting on one of the decks.

Daniel.

Don't you just hate it if you can't read the spam and now want to know what amp he means ... sigh.

Daniel.

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They likely weren't amps at all ... rather what these spam bots do is to copy part of a post from page 1 of the thread (to make it sound like a realistic post) and then paste their spam images to the copied post. In this case, the post below is where it was copied from ...