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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

These settings are source-dependent. If you want GUI overlay, you'll need to turn on the scaler. A = analog input scaling, H = HDMI input scaling. Helpful if your TV source is 1080i or 720p and you want the Realta to output 1080p60.

I thought the video convert was for on screen display. My pj is 1080p. I wonder if it will cut down on HDMI handshake lag if I simply turn off the scaler in the AVP. Also, the Realta is the oldest scaler in my chain. Any thoughts?
post #23342 of 25957
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Though I recall seeing some references to new boxes being included with the upgrade, I didn't get a new box. In fact, when I purchased the upgrade I asked if they could get me a quote on a new box, as mine is in somewhat rough shape, and the shop was unable to order me one. They said that Denon doesn't have them available.

Wow - that is strange. I took mine in without the box because they told me the kit came with a brand new box. Then, when I went to pick it up, the technician asked me if my box was in good shape and I said yes and they asked me if they could keep the new box (because they always needed nice big boxes). So, I assumed everyone got a new box. Maybe there was an option for the dealer to get a box shipped with the upgrade kit for those units that are shipped back to their owners..........Maybe my dealer ordered all the kits like that............Just a guess.
post #23343 of 25957
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Originally Posted by SJHT View Post

I packed mine in the original box to take it to the center for the upgrade. However, the center took it out of the box and I took the box back home. They didn't want it! SJ

They took my box and gave it back. But Denon Australia requested the old Mic and manual back.
post #23344 of 25957
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Wow - that is strange. I took mine in without the box because they told me the kit came with a brand new box. Then, when I went to pick it up, the technician asked me if my box was in good shape and I said yes and they asked me if they could keep the new box (because they always needed nice big boxes). So, I assumed everyone got a new box. Maybe there was an option for the dealer to get a box shipped with the upgrade kit for those units that are shipped back to their owners..........Maybe my dealer ordered all the kits like that............Just a guess.
Maybe I should call Denon directly and see if I can get any info from them. I really would like to get a new box just in case I need it. The box for my POA is also in somewhat rough shape - Value Electronics shipped it via regular FedEx Ground. I'm still surprised that FedEx accepted it.
post #23345 of 25957
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

..... But Denon Australia requested the old Mic and manual back.

Why would they want the old mic and manual back? To keep it out of the landfill?
post #23346 of 25957
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Maybe I should call Denon directly and see if I can get any info from them. I really would like to get a new box just in case I need it. The box for my POA is also in somewhat rough shape - Value Electronics shipped it via regular FedEx Ground. I'm still surprised that FedEx accepted it.

I can give you the phone number of my dealer here in Atlanta - maybe they can tell you more. I am 100% sure they told me there was a new box that came with the upgrade. I considered getting the new box to match the upgraded model (3D and XT32 markings on the box) but I thought I might be getting a little anal in keeping the darn box upgraded too.biggrin.gif
post #23347 of 25957
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Why would they want the old mic and manual back? To keep it out of the landfill?

Must be. I'm still puzzled as too why they want it back. I guess they must think there's money in audyssey mics.
post #23348 of 25957
They can probably use them in re-furb units that were returned without mics?
post #23349 of 25957
Quite possibly as that mic, DM-A505Z is only good with the AVR-4308CI, 5308CI and pre-upgraded AVP.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 8/30/12 at 7:30am
post #23350 of 25957
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

I can give you the phone number of my dealer here in Atlanta - maybe they can tell you more. I am 100% sure they told me there was a new box that came with the upgrade. I considered getting the new box to match the upgraded model (3D and XT32 markings on the box) but I thought I might be getting a little anal in keeping the darn box upgraded too.biggrin.gif
I may take you up on your offer, but will try contacting Denon first. It could just be that the place that did my upgrade asked for the wrong thing.
post #23351 of 25957
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Quite possibly as that mic, DM-A405 is only good with the AVR-XX08 models and pre-upgraded AVP.

Good point!!
post #23352 of 25957
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post


They took my box and gave it back. But Denon Australia requested the old Mic and manual back.

Same here Frank, i just got back home from brisbane with the unit upgraded and they also requested the old setup mic and main manual and cd rom disc.I took my unit down with the avp box and they gave me the same box back with new packaging but with a 3d sticker on the box. The new manual they gave me had some pages loose inside. Dont know what thats about.Page 14 and a few others nearly fell out.After running audyssy xt32 there is a huge improvement in clarity through my center channel being much louder and clearer than before. I am still trying to sort out my mains as they seem a little under volume but thats another story i am sorting out in the speaker section on this forum. But overall it is definately a step up from before and i am glad i got the upgrade.

post #23353 of 25957
Jut having some fun. The new super-de-duper XT32 mic.biggrin.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


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And the old "regular" Audyssey mic. Still on the stand.

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post #23354 of 25957
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

I thought the video convert was for on screen display. My pj is 1080p. I wonder if it will cut down on HDMI handshake lag if I simply turn off the scaler in the AVP. Also, the Realta is the oldest scaler in my chain. Any thoughts?

Just put it on auto ( if I remember ). Just dont touch the picture controls on the AVP. Someone might be able to chime in. Its been awhile.
post #23355 of 25957
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

Jut having some fun. The new super-de-duper XT32 mic.biggrin.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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And the old "regular" Audyssey mic. Still on the stand.
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just make sure you dont forget to change the mic before you start calibrations smile.gif
post #23356 of 25957
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

Jut having some fun. The new super-de-duper XT32 mic.biggrin.gif

Keep in mind that the DM-A409 is the same mic used on all versions of Audyssey used on Denon AVRs for the past 4 years (ie. XX09 and newer) and is interchangeable with the new ACM-1HB mic used on the new XX13 models as well as the ACM-1H mic used on Onkyo and Marantz AVRs over the past few years.
post #23357 of 25957
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Originally Posted by grassy View Post

..............After running audyssy xt32 there is a huge improvement in clarity through my center channel being much louder and clearer than before.

Same with my system. Solved a big problem with center channel clarity and loudness on all sources and modes but particularly with movies and DTS HD MA. That alone almost justified the cost of the upgrade.

I bought a boom mike just before the upgrade which helped a little bit but the upgrade was night and day difference on the center channel.
post #23358 of 25957
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Keep in mind that the DM-A409 is the same mic used on all versions of Audyssey used on Denon AVRs for the past 4 years (ie. XX09 and newer) and is interchangeable with the new ACM-1HB mic used on the new XX13 models as well as the ACM-1H mic used on Onkyo and Marantz AVRs over the past few years.

Makes me wonder what was so special about the original mic that came with the AVP and if some of them (mics) had problems or limitations and Denon determined that going to a more mainstream mic would be better?
post #23359 of 25957
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

I thought the video convert was for on screen display. My pj is 1080p. I wonder if it will cut down on HDMI handshake lag if I simply turn off the scaler in the AVP. Also, the Realta is the oldest scaler in my chain. Any thoughts?

I think you'd have to experiment to determine if this will impact lag. Since everyone's chain is different, there is no hard-and-fast rules for this kind of thing.

Regarding the Realta... I do realize it's getting old, but if all you need is I/P conversion, and scaling to 1080p (i.e. no resizing, cropping or advanced picture controls), I think it still does a wonderful job. I have done may comparisons and found that for both 480i and 1080i sources, it has few faults. Even the noise reduction is good! The only source I use it on is my AT&T U-verse. And it has 6Mpbs HD streams, that are pretty rotten to begin with. The Realta is never (!) tripped up by inverse telecine, or even overlaid text-to-graphics programs a la ESPN, like others I have used.
post #23360 of 25957
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post


Makes me wonder what was so special about the original mic that came with the AVP and if some of them (mics) had problems or limitations and Denon determined that going to a more mainstream mic would be better?

The first thing i noticed about the new mic was how light it is compared to the old mic which is a lot heavier. On my boom stand that i use also, the old mic just sat on top without the slightest hint of falling over, but the new mic was a little trickier to balancesmile.gif But i would not swap the end result of course. I watched the "Avengers" last night with the family, and i noticed that the center channel was  more "in my face" so to speak and connected me with the movie more. The new mic is definately apart of a better setup thats for sure.cool.gif

post #23361 of 25957
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Originally Posted by grassy View Post

Same here Frank, i just got back home from brisbane with the unit upgraded and they also requested the old setup mic and main manual and cd rom disc.I took my unit down with the avp box and they gave me the same box back with new packaging but with a 3d sticker on the box. The new manual they gave me had some pages loose inside. Dont know what thats about.Page 14 and a few others nearly fell out.After running audyssy xt32 there is a huge improvement in clarity through my center channel being much louder and clearer than before. I am still trying to sort out my mains as they seem a little under volume but thats another story i am sorting out in the speaker section on this forum. But overall it is definately a step up from before and i am glad i got the upgrade.


Congrats on getting your unit back. I'm surprised the manual fell apart you should tell them to get a new one. It's good to see it's a step up.
post #23362 of 25957
I am surprised you got a hard copy of the manual mine came on disk.
post #23363 of 25957
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post


Congrats on getting your unit back. I'm surprised the manual fell apart you should tell them to get a new one. It's good to see it's a step up.

Thats exactly what i did, i rang denon support and they contacted the service agent where i got the upgrade done and a new one is on its way.I sent them back the ripped manual. Shes all goodsmile.gif

post #23364 of 25957
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Originally Posted by grassy View Post

Thats exactly what i did, i rang denon support and they contacted the service agent where i got the upgrade done and a new one is on its way.I sent them back the ripped manual. Shes all good:)

That goods to see. smile.gif
post #23365 of 25957
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Originally Posted by GlenC View Post

I am surprised you got a hard copy of the manual mine came on disk.

Mine came on disc too.
post #23366 of 25957
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Originally Posted by GlenC View Post

I am surprised you got a hard copy of the manual mine came on disk.

It's not too bad they put it in a binder though you have to careful as the pages can easily rip.
post #23367 of 25957
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post


These settings are source-dependent. If you want GUI overlay, you'll need to turn on the scaler. A = analog input scaling, H = HDMI input scaling. Helpful if your TV source is 1080i or 720p and you want the Realta to output 1080p60.

Hi sam, my projector is 1080i , and i have the a1ud what does this mean for me in my case in order to get the best picture possible.

post #23368 of 25957
Kinda telling that brands still use a 4+ year old pre/pro amp in their demo setups this is at epsons booth/setup during IFA.



I always wonder why people would place the poweramps above the pre/pro they just like to lift the poa extra high during install ?

Daniel.
post #23369 of 25957
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Originally Posted by grassy View Post

Hi sam, my projector is 1080i , and i have the a1ud what does this mean for me in my case in order to get the best picture possible.

You have a 1080i projector?? Your projector is the old CRT style with big Red, Green, Blue lenses?
post #23370 of 25957
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Kinda telling that brands still use a 4+ year old pre/pro amp in their demo setups this is at epsons booth/setup during IFA.

I always wonder why people would place the poweramps above the pre/pro they just like to lift the poa extra high during install ?
Daniel.

I wonder why they do that also. Definitley a back breaker as it weighs quite a bit.
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