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post #23761 of 25091
11/3/12 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by Tom Edge View Post

Hi There.
I have just sold my AVPA1HDA to a guy. He is using phono pre outs in to Lexicon Power Amp.
I had it set up to a POA-A1HD by XLR without any problems at all.
He is struggling to get any sound out of it.
I have asked him to do a microprocessor rest but he is still not having any luck.
Any ideas guys ?
Thanks Tom

I hope this is not the case, but the only rca jacks labeled "phono" are INPUTS....if he is using the FL and FR RCA pre-outs, there is a different problem.
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post #23762 of 25091
11/3/12 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by whiter View Post

I've got an annoying problem with my AVP and hope somebody has an idea on how to solve it.
My left front speaker output provides a much lower output volume than the right one. In the channel output screen I've got to crank up the FL volume to +6 Db and leave the FR one set to 0 Db to get them at the same level. I've tried differend power amps, cables and speakers: same problem. So it's definitely something in the AVP, but I can't figure out what.
Any ideas?

We had that after a 3d update the center was about 6dB lower and sounded weird. Took the avp apart again, second time same thing. We did a reset of the microprocessor (2 times) and the second time it went away. No idea what it was but a reset seems to help.

Daniel.
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post #23763 of 25091
11/3/12 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

We had that after a 3d update the center was about 6dB lower and sounded weird. Took the avp apart again, second time same thing. We did a reset of the microprocessor (2 times) and the second time it went away. No idea what it was but a reset seems to help.
Daniel.

Thanks. Gave that a try 3 times (resetting, not taking apart smile.gif ) and it has helped a bit. It's only 2 Db lower now. Strrrrrange....

(Edit: This is also after a 3D upgrade, by the way)
Edited by whiter - 11/3/12 at 9:07am
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post #23764 of 25091
11/3/12 at 8:43am
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Originally Posted by jasonmichaelh View Post

I hope this is not the case, but the only rca jacks labeled "phono" are INPUTS....if he is using the FL and FR RCA pre-outs, there is a different problem.

Hi there. Yes he is using the RCA Pre Outs. Thanks Tom
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post #23765 of 25091
11/3/12 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

Due to HDCP rules they don't allow a HDMI source to be converted down to a S Video, Component, or Composite output.

I'm using the composite output from the AVP to a 7" LCD monitor and I have not encountered any problems with any video source from my Oppo or my Denon 5910CI via HDMI through the AVP. Works even with Bluray.
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post #23766 of 25091
11/3/12 at 1:29pm
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Originally Posted by FlyBoy1999 View Post

Thank you SIR. The oppo sounds like it will be just fine for me. I have another question that will probably sound silly but here it goes. Do streaming devices had any impact on the SQ? Also, assuming they are connect digitally to the AVP

No, you should not notice any SQ differences if digital.
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post #23767 of 25091
11/3/12 at 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by Tom Edge View Post

Hi there. Yes he is using the RCA Pre Outs. Thanks Tom

Wonder if he has run Audyssey yet; Could the gain be dramatically different from your setup to his? Are his cables fully seated?
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post #23768 of 25091
11/4/12 at 1:44am
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Originally Posted by whiter View Post

Thanks. Gave that a try 3 times (resetting, not taking apart smile.gif ) and it has helped a bit. It's only 2 Db lower now. Strrrrrange....
(Edit: This is also after a 3D upgrade, by the way)

Yes its strange you are the second person and i would not call it confirmed now but we had the same thing. 2dB seems within reason given room and other possible differences. I had it with the center so thats always a little weirder. Glad it helped.

Daniel.
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post #23769 of 25091
11/4/12 at 11:11am
Please help - no sound from BR discs but streaming and DVD playback fine.

Hello,

I just upgraded my AVP and I just switched to an Oppo 103 so I'm not sure where the issue is. I can play back DTS and Dolby DVDs no problem. Streaming multichannel works as well but I get no sound when I play back from my Oppo 103 from DTS or Dolby BR discs. I'm sure I set something wrong but I keep flipping through settings and so far haven't figured it out. I could use your help if you know what I should adjust. When playing back a movie it only no channels for audio input and I've selected the mutichannel main english track for my default. I can play back the commentaries. These are all orginal discs, not duplicates. I'm using HDMI from the Oppo 103 to the AVP.

I do notice when I go to speaker configuration (on the Oppo) and do a test tone - I don't get a test tone. Not sure if there is a way to turn off the speaker config (on the oppo) as I would imagine my preamp should be doing the speaker config work.

I'll post this in the Oppo thread as well not really sure where the issue is.

I've also tried setting the Oppo and the AVP to factory defaults.

Thanks
Edited by boe - 11/4/12 at 12:48pm
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post #23770 of 25091
11/4/12 at 3:28pm
Update - so I moved my BR player to my other AVP to try to narrow down if it would be an issue on both or not. When I moved the Oppo to the other AVP which had just come back with factory defaults (because of the update) it worked fine. When I reset m other AVP back to factory defaults(which also just came back from the update process), it still doesn't work with the Oppo so the issue is with the AVP, not the Oppo. I see there is an update available. It keeps failing at 1 min upld phase. I have it wired to the network so it isn't a wireless issue. I'll keep trying the firmware update 44min each time and see if I can resolve it with that. If I let it fail at 1% on its own it gets stuck in a look on retrying.

VPLD Firm 01min
Updating failed

I can let it sit like that for an hour or so or I can press the power (not standby) to reboot it.

If I do that I get
Please wait...
Update retry

And it will just keep looping that issue until I finally reset to factory defaults.
Edited by boe - 11/4/12 at 4:08pm
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post #23771 of 25091
11/4/12 at 10:05pm
I left it turned off for a while and it did the update.

Strangely though I checked and it said there was an update to perform (again). When I went to do the update it said connection unavailable. I'll try again tomorrow morning. Not sure why this AVP is being such a PITA and the other is working fine.
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post #23772 of 25091
11/5/12 at 6:33am
I've "successfully" done the firmware update 4 times - always finds that it needs a firmware update.

I've decided to call Denon.
I'm on the phone with Denon support - he can't seem to get that this is not a receiver. He's asked me for the model number 3 times.

40 minutes later they said bring it back to where the upgrade was done to see if they can fix it.

I did notice something which I mentioned to the "tech" from denon. As I was scrolling through the status items - it does say DSP1 Error 01 - I guess that is the source of the issue. Unfortunately the people on this forum seem to know much more about the product than the person I called as he said I should ask the guy who did the upgrade if he knows what that is.
Edited by boe - 11/5/12 at 7:05am
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post #23773 of 25091
11/5/12 at 7:24am
Hi Everbody,

I already ask these quistions to Seth but I am still wondering about the issue,,

I am from the Netherlands having a vacation in Thailand with my wife and now on the way to Hong Kong to get a brand new Denon AVP A1HDA 3D. I think its a wonder that I found one brand new incl the 3D upgrade.

Is it thru that there are only two BD players that have the Denon link 4? (A1U and the 4010) or are there others?
If I would pick up a A1UD is it right that the Realta chip in the A1UD, when connected to the AVP Start working together with the AVP and so enhance the quality video or when connected to the AVP, the AVP just takes over en let the Realta chip in the A1UD just sitting there.

The only way I connecting the player is thru the HDMI and DLink 4.
What are youre thoughs about the 4020 model ? This model is not gonna hurt me so much money wise as the A1 would


I never listen to the Denon AVP jet but I know its the best processor out there, problebly ever if you see where everybody (other brands) are going.
Maybe I can get a good deal on a A1UD player in HK but I did not find one jet

Wel thanks in advance,

Bye

Alex
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post #23774 of 25091
11/5/12 at 7:39am
Alex, I love the AVP, but if I was buying a new BR player, I'd get an Oppo 103 or an Oppo 105. They don't support the Denon link but are more advanced than any Denon BR player IMHO and a lot cheaper.
Edited by boe - 11/5/12 at 7:45am
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post #23775 of 25091
11/5/12 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

Alex, I love the AVP, but if I was buying a new BR player, I'd get an Oppo 103 or an Oppo 105. They don't support the Denon link but are more advanced than any Denon BR player IMHO and a lot cheaper.

Well I own a Oppo 83 but will I not miss the Dlink4? The no jitter thing sounds to me a feature i will be missing out on?
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post #23776 of 25091
11/5/12 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by Texas25 View Post

Well I own a Oppo 83 but will I not miss the Dlink4? The no jitter thing sounds to me a feature i will be missing out on?

I think unless you experience it for yourself, you won't know. I think for the most part the people on the Denon threads will suggest that it is amazing and will change your world and the people in the Oppo threads will say it isn't an issue any more and you won't notice the difference. Other than the few people who have switched from Denon to Oppo or from Oppo to Denon, it will be mostly people who can't say. And the other thing is - we don't all here the same things otherwise we'd all own the same speakers, amps, subs etc. Both players are top notch. The Denon's are built to "feel" very luxurious. The Denon's have the link for jitter. The Oppos are well constructed, have more current features, and are significantly less expensive when comparing feature set to feature set. I couldn't answer that question for you, if you get a chance to test both I would. The other thing you need do decide - what will you use it for more - audio only or movies.

I'll be honest, I don't think I've noticed jitter in the last 7 years on any quality player but I bet there are some people who could tell you they have.
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post #23777 of 25091
11/5/12 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

Alex, I love the AVP, but if I was buying a new BR player, I'd get an Oppo 103 or an Oppo 105. They don't support the Denon link but are more advanced than any Denon BR player IMHO and a lot cheaper.

I'm likely going to get the 105. Looking to have 2 channel via balanced cables into the AVP. SJ
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post #23778 of 25091
11/5/12 at 11:32pm
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Originally Posted by Texas25 View Post

Hi Everbody,
I already ask these quistions to Seth but I am still wondering about the issue,,
I am from the Netherlands having a vacation in Thailand with my wife and now on the way to Hong Kong to get a brand new Denon AVP A1HDA 3D. I think its a wonder that I found one brand new incl the 3D upgrade.
Is it thru that there are only two BD players that have the Denon link 4? (A1U and the 4010) or are there others?
If I would pick up a A1UD is it right that the Realta chip in the A1UD, when connected to the AVP Start working together with the AVP and so enhance the quality video or when connected to the AVP, the AVP just takes over en let the Realta chip in the A1UD just sitting there.
The only way I connecting the player is thru the HDMI and DLink 4.
What are youre thoughs about the 4020 model ? This model is not gonna hurt me so much money wise as the A1 would
I never listen to the Denon AVP jet but I know its the best processor out there, problebly ever if you see where everybody (other brands) are going.
Maybe I can get a good deal on a A1UD player in HK but I did not find one jet
Wel thanks in advance,
Bye
Alex

The idea with video processing that you only do it once, so either teh A1UD, AVP or your display. If good enough you let the display do it. Its soft of pick your battle each time but always limited to one of them.

Daniel.
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post #23779 of 25091
11/6/12 at 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

The idea with video processing that you only do it once, so either teh A1UD, AVP or your display. If good enough you let the display do it. Its soft of pick your battle each time but always limited to one of them.
Daniel.

oke, but the only way my player gonna be connected is thru HDMI and Dlink4 (not xlr) will there be a quality differance (sound and picture) between the a1UD and the 4010? Because I will not be using the Realta chip in de A1 because I am using the one in the AVP. Am I then. only using the A1 or 4010 as a transport or not? Why spend more money on a A1UD will 4010 be good enough? Thx in advance. Alex.
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post #23780 of 25091
11/6/12 at 11:16pm
Depends on what you want to do.
4010 cannot be connected with xlr for 2 ch . A1ud can.
picture quality probably the same among the two players.
The sound gets a bit of difference and specially the 2ch.
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post #23781 of 25091
11/7/12 at 2:03am
One other player w/DL4 is the DBP-A100 (Denon's 100th anniv version of the 4010)
Texas25 this might also be worth considering, if you can find one...
I have one and I'm very pleased with it...
From what I have read and heard, I would personally advise against the A1UD...
One advantage of the DBP-A100 is a 5 year warranty from Denon.
Maybe you can find one in Hong Kong, if not, you might try calling ListenUp in
Colorado or J&R music in New York ( they are both auth dealers in US that recently
had NIB close out deals not sure if they're sold out or not).
Accessories4less has refurb A1UD, 4010 and A100 units listed on their website tonight,
prices are discounted good but only 1 year warranty and I don't think they ship outside US...
I almost bought an OPPO, but decided to give Denon Link a try and now I guess
you can say I am a certified DL Kool-aid drinker eek.gif
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post #23782 of 25091
11/7/12 at 3:57am
My personal view, for bluray use it will be a wash the core players will be the same and i would pick the newest and smartest player. The difference will be on the audio usage only and then it depends mostly who do you want todo the dac parts. If you feel the avp should do it take the cheaper one if not well..

Daniel.
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post #23783 of 25091
11/7/12 at 10:36am
From someone who has a BDP-80, 83SE. 95, 105, and have had the other OPPOs, smart money is just to stick with the 103 if you have the AVP. Just use HDMI. The analog outputs of the better OPPOs is fantastic, but is basically a wash compared to the outstanding performance of feeding HDMI into an AVP.
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post #23784 of 25091
11/7/12 at 10:49am
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From someone who has a BDP-80, 83SE. 95, 105, and have had the other OPPOs, smart money is just to stick with the 103 if you have the AVP. Just use HDMI. The analog outputs of the better OPPOs is fantastic, but is basically a wash compared to the outstanding performance of feeding HDMI into an AVP.

I'd like to know if you've compared the two channel performance, preferably using the AVP's Pure Direct, of the 95 and/or 105, XLR verses HDMI? In short, is the DAC in the AVP as good as the one in the Oppo 95/105? To level the playing field one would have to use the balanced analog connection of the Oppo to the AVP, otherwise the HDMI option has the advantage.
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post #23785 of 25091
11/8/12 at 7:12am
Without having heared the 105 , i have a feeling that denon"s own a1ud sounds a bit better , since it does when compared to avp.
Jist a thought.
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post #23786 of 25091
11/8/12 at 7:43am
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Without having heared the 105 , i have a feeling that denon"s own a1ud sounds a bit better , since it does when compared to avp.
Jist a thought.
The Oppo BDP-95 and BDP-105 both sound very, very, good via their analog outputs (and as Sam mentioned, NDA prevents me from being any more specific than that regarding the 105). But in my room, having Audyssey turned on always sounds better than anything else. If the A1UD (I haven't used one) sounds better than the Oppo's, I highly doubt it would sound better enough to come anywhere close to justifying the huge price difference. The only real potential advantage for the Denon players, IMHO, is Denon Link and having used that with my 3930 I don't think it's worth getting a Denon player just for that.
Edited by gsr - 11/8/12 at 10:45am
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post #23787 of 25091
11/8/12 at 8:32am
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I'd like to know if you've compared the two channel performance, preferably using the AVP's Pure Direct, of the 95 and/or 105, XLR verses HDMI? In short, is the DAC in the AVP as good as the one in the Oppo 95/105? To level the playing field one would have to use the balanced analog connection of the Oppo to the AVP, otherwise the HDMI option has the advantage.

Yes, I've compared the two in the manner you're describing. However, I'm under NDA regarding the 105's performance, for the time being.

I can say this: for XLR in the 95 vs the DACs (HDMI input) in the AVP, it is a draw. With the tie breaker going to HDMI->AVP because of Audyssey XT32.
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post #23788 of 25091
11/9/12 at 2:48pm
OK Sam , what would you say comparing avp"s output as a dac vice a serious player , like oppo 105 , dig to dig to analog.
What i mean is having the oppo do the dac thing?
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post #23789 of 25091
11/9/12 at 3:00pm
As far as i know avp is a fair sounding dac , but without the finness found in the a1ud .
For music through hdmi for sacd"s a1ud sounds better if you connect it through xlr"s .That means analog all the way man.And there is where avp shows it"s teeth.
Analog reproduction brother , analog repro...............
Yeah i know its darker its something strange at times . But it sounds the way it should. Nothing more ,nothing less. Just the way it sounds,.




John.
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11/10/12 at 1:47am
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OK Sam , what would you say comparing avp"s output as a dac vice a serious player , like oppo 105 , dig to dig to analog.
What i mean is having the oppo do the dac thing?

Without starting a big discussion the dac setup (remember its more than just 1 chip, 48dac's in case of the avp) in both is of such highlevel and transparent that any differences should be more the route from/to the dac or other things they did. Thats what makes it difficult to compare since you get into personal taste.

Daniel.
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