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post #23881 of 25955
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Originally Posted by DoctorO View Post

Any of you guys hooking up the new Oppo 105 to the AVP? I am especially interested in whether the video section of the new Oppo would be an upgrade compared with the AVP's video section for playing standard def DVD.
Yes and yes biggrin.gif. The video processing in the Oppo players is excellent. Since I'm a beta tester for Oppo, you might consider me a bit biased, but the reviews that are out there speak for themselves. That said, if using it with the AVP, I'd suggest going with the Oppo BDP-103, use HDMI for everything, and put the $700 savings into something else. Even though the BDP-105 analog outputs are excellent, the use of room correction is more important, so sending a digital signal into the AVP makes more sense than using the analog outputs.
post #23882 of 25955
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

So am I the only one that can't connect to server, when attempted a firmware update?

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Originally Posted by Picasso Moon View Post

I checked about a half hour ago and got through fine. No new updates for my upgraded AVP.

No problems here either nor were there any updates for my upgraded AVP.
post #23883 of 25955
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Originally Posted by giuseppe001 View Post

Hi Daniel
thank you very much for you help.
It is very appreciated.
Now is all clear.
When i will have my new AVP and POA's i post my review
Tks
Giuseppe

No problem next time i am in Milan you can buy me lunch smile.gif, Not sure why but each time i think about Italy i think about food and the weird fact i discovered years ago that many italian woman have a weird addiction to a substance called Nutella.

Now that i think about when i travel up in Europe i think about drinks and when i move down i think about food is this just me (and yes i know what you all think when you in Amsterdam) ?

Daniel.
post #23884 of 25955
So I got the Expendables 2,

I was hoping to see the DTS Neo:X show up but all it says is DTS HD-MSTR Audyssey DSX instead.

When you go into 2 channel mode and look up DTS Neo X, it says it is only for 2 channel playback.

I only have a 9.2 system, not an 11.1.... could that be a reason?

Is it not the full compatibility for this? Is it not going to show up for these things that are flagged for DTS Neo:X?

So many questions!!
post #23885 of 25955
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Originally Posted by djdmt View Post

So I got the Expendables 2,
I was hoping to see the DTS Neo:X show up but all it says is DTS HD-MSTR Audyssey DSX instead.
When you go into 2 channel mode and look up DTS Neo X, it says it is only for 2 channel playback.
I only have a 9.2 system, not an 11.1.... could that be a reason?
Is it not the full compatibility for this? Is it not going to show up for these things that are flagged for DTS Neo:X?
So many questions!!

What are you trying to do.............Are you trying to use the front wides or heights?
post #23886 of 25955
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Well i started with tannoy's (dual concentric) eyris line. Then i moved to revel (performa) but that didn't do it for me so went back to the tannoy until i made
up my mind. always had a weakness for the 800 line and think the 802D2 is good upgrade over the older 802 models so its time to start planning getting a full
setup in this range is a not a small thingie so need to plan a little smile.gif probably get them in the next 3 months.
Daniel.

Way cool, amigo. I like the 800 line. Only 3 months to get $18k USD for new 802Di's. You sir know how to party.
post #23887 of 25955
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Originally Posted by DoctorO View Post

Any of you guys hooking up the new Oppo 105 to the AVP? I am especially interested in whether the video section of the new Oppo would be an upgrade compared with the AVP's video section for playing standard def DVD.

I'm using a 103 to my AVP and couldn't be happier. Well, I could be, but that's a post for an entirely different forum.wink.gif
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Yes and yes biggrin.gif. The video processing in the Oppo players is excellent. Since I'm a beta tester for Oppo, you might consider me a bit biased, but the reviews that are out there speak for themselves. That said, if using it with the AVP, I'd suggest going with the Oppo BDP-103, use HDMI for everything, and put the $700 savings into something else. Even though the BDP-105 analog outputs are excellent, the use of room correction is more important, so sending a digital signal into the AVP makes more sense than using the analog outputs.

An SACD question. The 103 doesn't send DSD over HDMI 1. Is there any benefit from using HDMI 2 to send the AVP a pure DSD signal? Or will the PCM from HDMI 1 suffice?
post #23888 of 25955
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Yes and yes biggrin.gif. The video processing in the Oppo players is excellent. Since I'm a beta tester for Oppo, you might consider me a bit biased, but the reviews that are out there speak for themselves. That said, if using it with the AVP, I'd suggest going with the Oppo BDP-103, use HDMI for everything, and put the $700 savings into something else. Even though the BDP-105 analog outputs are excellent, the use of room correction is more important, so sending a digital signal into the AVP makes more sense than using the analog outputs.

In my quick testing, I believe the direct XLR connection from my new Oppo 105 into the AVP sounds a bit warmer/smoother than via HDMI for two channel listening, but need to do some more testing. The 105 is quite a beast. Well not quite as much as my AVP/POA. smile.gif. I am not using the video processing as I am running it into a Lumagen XE3D for that. SJ
post #23889 of 25955
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

What are you trying to do.............Are you trying to use the front wides or heights?

I'm using the front heights. I got 9.2 going on here.


(taken from the manual)
I believe this is why?


(edit)


I guess it's a limitation of the AVP that non dts-hd signals can only utilize the Neo:x.... and if its a DTS-HD master, then the audyssey ASX does the job instead! ?

hmmmm....
Edited by djdmt - 11/21/12 at 4:07pm
post #23890 of 25955
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Originally Posted by djdmt View Post

I'm using the front heights. I got 9.2 going on here.

(taken from the manual)
I believe this is why?
(edit)

I guess it's a limitation of the AVP that non dts-hd signals can only utilize the Neo:x.... and if its a DTS-HD master, then the audyssey ASX does the job instead! ?
hmmmm....
Try turning off dsx in the parameters/audio/dsx soundstage menu
post #23891 of 25955
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

I'm using a 103 to my AVP and couldn't be happier. Well, I could be, but that's a post for an entirely different forum.wink.gif
An SACD question. The 103 doesn't send DSD over HDMI 1. Is there any benefit from using HDMI 2 to send the AVP a pure DSD signal? Or will the PCM from HDMI 1 suffice?
Well, if you're using Audyssey, then the signal needs to be converted to PCM at some point before Audyssey can be applied. The Oppo does an excellent job with this conversion, so IMHO, there's really no benefit to using HDMI 2 to send DSD to the AVP.
post #23892 of 25955
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Originally Posted by SJHT View Post

In my quick testing, I believe the direct XLR connection from my new Oppo 105 into the AVP sounds a bit warmer/smoother than via HDMI for two channel listening, but need to do some more testing. The 105 is quite a beast. Well not quite as much as my AVP/POA. smile.gif.
If you're not using room correction, then it's certainly worth experimenting with using the analog outputs on the 105. But if using room correction which will only work with digtal signals, I would suggest keeping the signal digital into the AVP to avoid the extra digital to analog (in the Oppo) and analog to digital (in the AVP) conversions, in which case the BDP-103 would make more sense.
post #23893 of 25955
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Well, if you're using Audyssey, then the signal needs to be converted to PCM at some point before Audyssey can be applied. The Oppo does an excellent job with this conversion, so IMHO, there's really no benefit to using HDMI 2 to send DSD to the AVP.

I prefer my 2-channel music to be unprocessed. But with multi-channel SACDs I don't mind Audyssey. I will use HDMI 1 with my MCH recordings.
post #23894 of 25955
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

No problem next time i am in Milan you can buy me lunch smile.gif, Not sure why but each time i think about Italy i think about food and the weird fact i discovered years ago that many italian woman have a weird addiction to a substance called Nutella.
Now that i think about when i travel up in Europe i think about drinks and when i move down i think about food is this just me (and yes i know what you all think when you in Amsterdam) ?
Daniel.
Hi Daniel,
if you come in Italy, in Milan you will be welcome at my home.
My wife is very good to prepare food, cakes.....
And, yes, lol about Amsterdam. I have nevere been but i will because my wife loves VIncent Van Gogh and she would see the museum.

so we will se in the next future...:-)

Thanks
Giuseppe
post #23895 of 25955
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

No problem next time i am in Milan you can buy me lunch smile.gif, Not sure why but each time i think about Italy i think about food and the weird fact i discovered years ago that many italian woman have a weird addiction to a substance called Nutella.

Heh, I just made home-made Nutella today (it's Thanksgiving here in the US), as I had a bunch of very nice organic Hazelnuts. Man, it is ten times better than the commercial stuff. If you really want to impress someone (a lady?), roll your own. It's amazing. cool.gif
post #23896 of 25955
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Originally Posted by JonFo View Post

Heh, I just made home-made Nutella today (it's Thanksgiving here in the US), as I had a bunch of very nice organic Hazelnuts. Man, it is ten times better than the commercial stuff. If you really want to impress someone (a lady?), roll your own. It's amazing. cool.gif

Just came back from work no thanksgiving in Amsterdam frown.gif.

But for all who do have this, have a good thanksgiving and share the hazelnut joy smile.gif

Daniel.
post #23897 of 25955
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Originally Posted by giuseppe001 View Post

Hi Daniel,
if you come in Italy, in Milan you will be welcome at my home.
My wife is very good to prepare food, cakes.....
And, yes, lol about Amsterdam. I have nevere been but i will because my wife loves VIncent Van Gogh and she would see the museum.
so we will se in the next future...:-)
Thanks
Giuseppe

Thanks for the invite, i hope the avp/poa's will work for you.

I visit more than a few places in europe every year, we do alot of european tv projects. In Italy with RAI, Cinecitta Luce and aamod but somehow we end up in Rome for meetings most of the time. Now i have no problems in visiting Rome on the food front but Milan also sounds like a good place to hang out smile.gif

Daniel.
post #23898 of 25955
Does anyone know where to find a Denon AVP-A1HDA Brand New in Europe?
I found a Denon POA-A1HD and now i want the matching processor....
post #23899 of 25955
I'm quite happy with my AVP-1HDA. I love Audissey.
I don't care for the 3D & new dsp stuff of the upgrade, but i'm tempted by the Audssey 32. What do you suggest? Will it be a noticeabel sonic improvment over my actual non-upgraded AVP? Or is a (partial) waste of money?
post #23900 of 25955
^^^

ime, going from xt to xt32 is a significant upgrade, and if i owned an avp, i know i would get the upgrade done...
post #23901 of 25955
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Originally Posted by locutus2k View Post

I'm quite happy with my AVP-1HDA. I love Audissey.
I don't care for the 3D & new dsp stuff of the upgrade, but i'm tempted by the Audssey 32. What do you suggest? Will it be a noticeabel sonic improvment over my actual non-upgraded AVP? Or is a (partial) waste of money?

if you already love the EQ system then run not walk and have the update done.We have talked about it many times and the conclusion seems to be that 99% of the people are happy with the update. The 3d part is not the killer feature but all the small effects of having 4x the cpu power has effects on decoding, eq, new formats etc etc. That combined with new modes and keeping your unit's value up makes it a easy pick. The bad news is you need to send it in and trust the people with your unit. If you want people here can probably point you to a trusted upgrader.

Keep in mind these update boards are running out and it seems (one person told me) the upgrade price in Europe went up from 1200 to 1400 now.

Daniel.
post #23902 of 25955
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Originally Posted by MV_Cinema View Post

Does anyone know where to find a Denon AVP-A1HDA Brand New in Europe?
I found a Denon POA-A1HD and now i want the matching processor....

Yes i know someone who decided he wanted one 2 days ago and found one at a dealer yesterday and got it (my guess in the Netherlands or Germany).

Daniel.
post #23903 of 25955
I recently purchased an OPPO 103 after talking directly to an OPPO technician in which I advised him I would be hooking it up to my Denon AVP. I was trying to decide between the OPPO 103 AND the 105. Oppo advised me that using the HDMI direct into the AVP it would be better to purchase the 103 versus the 105 since the AVP has all the other extra functions that the 105 puts out over the 103.
post #23904 of 25955
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

if you already love the EQ system then run not walk and have the update done.We have talked about it many times and the conclusion seems to be that 99% of the people are happy with the update. The 3d part is not the killer feature but all the small effects of having 4x the cpu power has effects on decoding, eq, new formats etc etc. That combined with new modes and keeping your unit's value up makes it a easy pick. The bad news is you need to send it in and trust the people with your unit. If you want people here can probably point you to a trusted upgrader.
Keep in mind these update boards are running out and it seems (one person told me) the upgrade price in Europe went up from 1200 to 1400 now.
Daniel.


I"m gettin my update for 1000e.
I might take my unit in on monday and have it back and ready on tuesday.
post #23905 of 25955
Still an upgrade holdout here, due to the loss of surround B. I am really interested in the upgrade because I am not that impressed with Audyssey Pro (without 32); of course, we do have the room from hell, so I don't know if even the 32 could help much. We just upgraded our four surround A's last summer, and have enjoyed separate surrounds ever since the Denon 5800 or so (a long time); we're not giving up the A/B setup...still, no one has found a practical workaround??
post #23906 of 25955
^^^

fyi, xt + pro is still xt...

xt32 is a different beast... smile.gif
post #23907 of 25955
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Try turning off dsx in the parameters/audio/dsx soundstage menu

That didn't work. Neo:x still won't turn on.
post #23908 of 25955
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Originally Posted by DoctorO View Post

Still an upgrade holdout here, due to the loss of surround B. I am really interested in the upgrade because I am not that impressed with Audyssey Pro (without 32); of course, we do have the room from hell, so I don't know if even the 32 could help much. We just upgraded our four surround A's last summer, and have enjoyed separate surrounds ever since the Denon 5800 or so (a long time); we're not giving up the A/B setup...still, no one has found a practical workaround??

Being in the same boat as you...originally, I reviewed the issue with my contacts in Denon Engineering both here and in Japan and it is not possible to switch between Surround A or B and H or W. There is not enough signal processing and memory to support this and, as all the digital signal processing is dedicated to a channel it cannot be removed. The channel assignments are accomplished in the analog domain not the digital domain. Denon would have to create a custom version of firmware to remove the H/W processing and replace it with Surround A/B channel processing. This is not going to happen.

The significant improvement in XT32 over XT, for me, was actually worth the inconvenience of losing Surround A/B. I have even installed height speakers now so that the new signal processing doesn't go to waste. smile.gif

The "easiest" way to support two sets of surrounds after the upgrade is to create two custom sets of EQ with each set of speakers connected by themselves and load the new EQ either from PRO if you have it (the fastest method) or save the AVP settings to a PC/MAC and reload them as you want; takes about 15 minutes to load.

Alternatively, per my earlier post, I have the convenience of being able to use the EQ for my larger music surrounds for my much smaller film surrounds. This works as they are all the same distance from the MLP, require the same LF crossover frequency, have the same sensitivity and both pairs have a very similar frequency response at the MLP. Using the smaller speaker EQ for the larger music speakers does not work.
Edited by Digione - 11/24/12 at 12:38pm
post #23909 of 25955
Hi,

Just to let you know i am convinced there is a weird software bug in the upgraded units. Yesterday my center signal dropped about 20dB in signal. We had this after a the upgraded and a reset solved it (to about 2dB) and the unit has been fine for months until now. I know others have had this too and the reset helped.

I checked all kinds of things like rerouting signals to other boards and excluding as much as i can and i doubt its hardware since if you compensate all sounds fine. So i reset the unit several time and each time the problem returned but too a different level (very weird).

I ended up having to push the center channel (bridged) to +4dB so have enough range but it should be at -6dB since its bridged. The fact that its 10dB also makes me think its a bug.

So keep your eyes out for this and check your levels using the internal test signals every few weeks to catch it.

Daniel.
post #23910 of 25955
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Hi,
Just to let you know i am convinced there is a weird software bug in the upgraded units. Yesterday my center signal dropped about 20dB in signal. We had this after a the upgraded and a reset solved it (to about 2dB) and the unit has been fine for months until now. I know others have had this too and the reset helped.
I checked all kinds of things like rerouting signals to other boards and excluding as much as i can and i doubt its hardware since if you compensate all sounds fine. So i reset the unit several time and each time the problem returned but too a different level (very weird).
I ended up having to push the center channel (bridged) to +4dB so have enough range but it should be at -6dB since its bridged. The fact that its 10dB also makes me think its a bug.
So keep your eyes out for this and check your levels using the internal test signals every few weeks to catch it.
Daniel.

Thanks for the heads up Daniel.
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