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post #23971 of 25095
12/4/12 at 5:45pm
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..The only problem that I have with my AVP is that once it is set to auto for HDMI input mode, it needs this in order to activate DL4, it always resets itself to HDMI digital input mode when I play any other disc. This means every time I want to use DL4 I need to set the HDMI input mode to Auto again. Have you seen this issue?
So what you are seeing is right if I understand you correctly.

FWIW, I have the DBP A100 (4010) connected via HDMI & DL (CAT5) to the AVR A100 (4311) . It seemlessly and correctly switches back and forth from DL4 BluRay to DL3 function for other discs without any fiddling of HDMI input mode.
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post #23972 of 25095
12/4/12 at 6:50pm
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

FWIW, I have the DBP A100 (4010) connected via HDMI & DL (CAT5) to the AVR A100 (4311) . It seemlessly and correctly switches back and forth from DL4 BluRay to DL3 function for other discs without any fiddling of HDMI input mode.

Glad to hear DL4/DL3 switching works well with the AVR. I reported the issue to Denon USA and they believe that it is a firmware bug in the AVP. The HDMI input menu actually changes its setting from Auto to Digital without me touching it. Has anybody else seen this issue using DL4 with the AVP?
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post #23973 of 25095
12/5/12 at 4:51am
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Just curious, what mode or modes to listen to primarily for your CD's (PLII, Direct, etc.)? I have been experimenting and I really like PLIIx with Audyssey FLAT for CDs. It seems to give them a warmer, richer tone. Always open to what others are doing. (I have the XT32 upgrade.) Thanks.

I use PLII music primarily. since I have a really good center (I designed it so I know wink.gif ), and I've been a longtime fan of TriField (on my old Meridian pre), so I tend to listen in multichannel most of the time.

I do keep Audyssey normal, but then, my electrostats are plenty bright, so the high-end roll off is nice.

PL II music mode is actually derived from the Michael Gerzon research that is also behind TriField.
It's worth checking out the various controls the the music mode presents in our AVPs, very nice to adjust front to back settings and the width control is subtle but effective.
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post #23974 of 25095
12/5/12 at 5:54am
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It's worth checking out the various controls the the music mode presents in our AVPs, very nice to adjust front to back settings and the width control is subtle but effective.

Thanks for the tip - I will look into that.
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post #23975 of 25095
12/5/12 at 8:03am
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Works for me, just type in the IP address you gave it into the URL bar.

I got it working. Turns out "Bing" was re-directing to a search engine in the URL bar, when I opened a second browser it didn't do that.
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post #23976 of 25095
12/5/12 at 10:19am
That's what happens when you use "Bing"!!! Haw haw....
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post #23977 of 25095
12/6/12 at 5:46pm
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My 2nd POA-A1HDCI arrived today. Things started out well. After asking them VERY nicely, the UPS guys (thanks to the holiday season, the trucks have 2 guys for the next few weeks) agreed to bring the amp up the front steps and put it just inside the front door onto a moving blanket rather than just put it into the garage. They got a huge thanks from me when they were done. Once the amp box was on the blanket, I was able to drag the blanket (and amp, of course) into the destination room without too much effort. There was no notable damage to the outer or inner boxes other than a few minor nicks. When I got it out of the boxes, both rear handles were bent. One has a relatively mild bend, but the right one (looking from the back) is badly bent to the point of blocking an RCA input and a few speaker connections. I decided not to unpack it further until I hear back from the AVS store, so it's still in the plastic bag for now. There doesn't appear to be any other cosmetic damage, but I won't know for sure until it comes out of the bag. I'm fairly optimistic that there won't be any functional issues as I ran into a similar problem with POA #1 when I bought it a few years ago - at the time the dealer was able to get me a replacement handle and swapping them is a simple matter of removing a few screws. I'm hoping that replacement handles are still available. If not, we'll see what happens. The amp is obviously usable without the handles, but that sort of thing would presumably affect future resale value.

Once I get the above sorted out and assuming the amp itself is fine, I'm curious what people think about biamping versus bridging. I've got a 7.2 channel system, so I'll have enough amp channels to either bridge channels for all 7 speakers or biamp all 7 speakers and have 6 channels left either way for future use. My speakers are the older B&W 800 Matrix series - 802 Series 3 front left/right, HTM center, and 804 sides and surrounds. I can obviously try it both ways, but to biamp I would need to make some speaker cable changes (the cables for the front 3 would need to be changed, my side and surround cables already have 4 conductors). Bridging wouldn't require me to change any cables. I got the impression biggrin.gif that Roger Dressler isn't a fan of bridging, but what do others think about the 2 options and Roger, what do you think about biamping?
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post #23978 of 25095
12/7/12 at 12:31am
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My 2nd POA-A1HDCI arrived today. Things started out well. After asking them VERY nicely, the UPS guys (thanks to the holiday season, the trucks have 2 guys for the next few weeks) agreed to bring the amp up the front steps and put it just inside the front door onto a moving blanket rather than just put it into the garage. They got a huge thanks from me when they were done. Once the amp box was on the blanket, I was able to drag the blanket (and amp, of course) into the destination room without too much effort. There was no notable damage to the outer or inner boxes other than a few minor nicks. When I got it out of the boxes, both rear handles were bent. One has a relatively mild bend, but the right one (looking from the back) is badly bent to the point of blocking an RCA input and a few speaker connections. I decided not to unpack it further until I hear back from the AVS store, so it's still in the plastic bag for now. There doesn't appear to be any other cosmetic damage, but I won't know for sure until it comes out of the bag. I'm fairly optimistic that there won't be any functional issues as I ran into a similar problem with POA #1 when I bought it a few years ago - at the time the dealer was able to get me a replacement handle and swapping them is a simple matter of removing a few screws. I'm hoping that replacement handles are still available. If not, we'll see what happens. The amp is obviously usable without the handles, but that sort of thing would presumably affect future resale value.
Once I get the above sorted out and assuming the amp itself is fine, I'm curious what people think about biamping versus bridging. I've got a 7.2 channel system, so I'll have enough amp channels to either bridge channels for all 7 speakers or biamp all 7 speakers and have 6 channels left either way for future use. My speakers are the older B&W 800 Matrix series - 802 Series 3 front left/right, HTM center, and 804 sides and surrounds. I can obviously try it both ways, but to biamp I would need to make some speaker cable changes (the cables for the front 3 would need to be changed, my side and surround cables already have 4 conductors). Bridging wouldn't require me to change any cables. I got the impression biggrin.gif that Roger Dressler isn't a fan of bridging, but what do others think about the 2 options and Roger, what do you think about biamping?

If no other damage is there (check) you can remove (and so replace) the handles thats how it was designed. The handles are optional but they put them on for easy install and to protect (and sounds like it did) the connections esp. the XLR's when they are plugged in (thats why they are longer as the xlr's).

edit: i should learn to read the post full first smile.gif

Daniel.
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post #23979 of 25095
12/7/12 at 2:01am
Hi guys,

Need some Advise, im just not feeling the Onkyo PR-SC 5509, i am looking to upgrade either to Anthem Dv2 or a Denon and was wandering if anyone here has experiences with both processors and can fill me in. I need something with better SQ for 2 channel and for movies. The onkyp is rather boring.
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post #23980 of 25095
12/7/12 at 3:20am
How well is your room treated? Are you certain it's not your speakers?
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post #23981 of 25095
12/7/12 at 6:22am
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Originally Posted by Bassfeen View Post

Hi guys,
Need some Advise, im just not feeling the Onkyo PR-SC 5509, i am looking to upgrade either to Anthem Dv2 or a Denon and was wandering if anyone here has experiences with both processors and can fill me in. I need something with better SQ for 2 channel and for movies. The onkyp is rather boring.

I can't make any promises if the AVP or DV2 is less or more boring. But i do want to claim that AVP users in this thread are less boring smile.gif

Both units are of age, my feeling is that the AVP now is doing well again and with so little units left and its end of life status you can get amazing deals at times some of the prices ive seen would make me jump on one even at this (late) stage.

Daniel.
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post #23982 of 25095
12/7/12 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by Bassfeen View Post

Hi guys,
Need some Advise, im just not feeling the Onkyo PR-SC 5509, i am looking to upgrade either to Anthem Dv2 or a Denon and was wandering if anyone here has experiences with both processors and can fill me in. I need something with better SQ for 2 channel and for movies. The onkyp is rather boring.

I think you could flip a coin and be happy with either, but I think the robust and separate L/R balanced analog signal path of the AVP would give it a slight edge over the Anthem for 2ch material.
You could add the NAD M15 to your list as well. I thought that unit was exceptional with 2ch material, even though it's not a balanced pre-amp.
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post #23983 of 25095
12/7/12 at 9:43am
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

If no other damage is there (check) you can remove (and so replace) the handles thats how it was designed. The handles are optional but they put them on for easy install and to protect (and sounds like it did) the connections esp. the XLR's when they are plugged in (thats why they are longer as the xlr's).
Yes - assuming things are sorted out (see below), I'll just remove the handles so I can hook everything up and see if there are any functional issues.
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edit: i should learn to read the post full first smile.gif
Daniel.
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Unfortunately, there's actually a bigger concern before I proceed. The warranty paperwork indicates this is a B-stock / Refurbished unit which means a 1 year warranty instead of 3 years. It also represents a non-trivial price difference as Dakmart has refurbs listed for a "lot" less than I paid (out of respect for forum policies, I don't want to be much more specific than that other than to say I didn't pay MSRP). I called Denon a little while ago and they have to research this confused.gif - I would think they would be able to look up whether it's a refurb based on the serial number. But we'll see what they say. In the meantime, Denon has advised me not to remove the POA from the plastic wrapping. It looks like my Christmas present to myself is turning into a bit of a PITA frown.gif.
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post #23984 of 25095
12/7/12 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by Bassfeen View Post

Hi guys,
Need some Advise, im just not feeling the Onkyo PR-SC 5509, i am looking to upgrade either to Anthem Dv2 or a Denon and was wandering if anyone here has experiences with both processors and can fill me in. I need something with better SQ for 2 channel and for movies. The onkyp is rather boring.
At MSRP, I think it would be a tough call and given that the AVP is discontinued I would probably lean toward the Anthem.

However at the current discounts, and if you can find a new one, I think an upgraded AVP would be a FAR better value. And I agree with daniel that we're the less boring group biggrin.gif.
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post #23985 of 25095
12/7/12 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Yes - assuming things are sorted out (see below), I'll just remove the handles so I can hook everything up and see if there are any functional issues.
smile.gif
Unfortunately, there's actually a bigger concern before I proceed. The warranty paperwork indicates this is a B-stock / Refurbished unit which means a 1 year warranty instead of 3 years. It also represents a non-trivial price difference as Dakmart has refurbs listed for a "lot" less than I paid (out of respect for forum policies, I don't want to be much more specific than that other than to say I didn't pay MSRP). I called Denon a little while ago and they have to research this confused.gif - I would think they would be able to look up whether it's a refurb based on the serial number. But we'll see what they say. In the meantime, Denon has advised me not to remove the POA from the plastic wrapping. It looks like my Christmas present to myself is turning into a bit of a PITA frown.gif.
bummer about the damage but it might be a blessing in disguise if it turns out to be a refurb........
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post #23986 of 25095
12/7/12 at 4:43pm
What is the difference in HDMI Direct vs. not doing any video conversion, etc with the AVP besides allowing GUI? Thanks. SJ
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post #23987 of 25095
12/7/12 at 5:00pm
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

bummer about the damage but it might be a blessing in disguise if it turns out to be a refurb........
Naturally, Denon didn't get back to me today on this. Is it really this difficult for them to determine if a product is a refurb or not? My gut says that it's a refurb as it seems pretty unlikely that they would have put a "refurb" warranty sheet in with a brand new, A-stock, product. The good thing in all of this is that the AVS store seems to be a class act in handling this very professionally. They had asked me to email them pictures of the damaged handles, so I also included a picture of the warranty sheet. I got a call back a short time after I sent the email and it sounded like they had already started a conversation with Denon. They've offered me the choice of a full refund, or a partial refund (presumably to match Dakmart's price) if they can get replacement handles. My inclination is to return it if it is indeed a refurb since the warranty would only be 1 year rather than 3 and the damaged handles could be a hint of further damage that could surface sometime in the future. A partially cracked PCB could potentially work fine for a while and then end up being a very expensive repair a few years down the road.
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post #23988 of 25095
12/7/12 at 5:12pm
I had similar problems when I had a POA shipped to me last year. Neither the carrier (FedEx) nor Denon would take responsibility for it, and two boards near the bent handle were in fact damaged. Paid out of pocket--ouch! But at the time I couldn't even find another POA in stock anywhere.
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post #23989 of 25095
12/7/12 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by DoctorO View Post

I had similar problems when I had a POA shipped to me last year. Neither the carrier (FedEx) nor Denon would take responsibility for it, and two boards near the bent handle were in fact damaged. Paid out of pocket--ouch! But at the time I couldn't even find another POA in stock anywhere.
The POA amps really aren't packaged well enough by Denon to safely be shipped via FedEx or UPS IMO. It's sort of a miracle that they arrive more or less in 1 piece smile.gif.
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post #23990 of 25095
12/7/12 at 8:38pm
The Speakers are pretty good, I do have a seprate 2 channel system but driving some mucis through the Danley Horns is very statisfying, Its a diffrent animal compared to most usual speakers yet it can handle music very well.

Room is very well treated, with Accoustic panels being of 2 inch thick and 4 inch thick, including all 4 corners with bass traps.


Im debating between Denon, Arcam 888 or Anthem, 3D is not important too me. So HDMI 1.3 is fine
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post #23991 of 25095
12/8/12 at 7:14pm
Finally got around to playing my first 3d movie with my upgraded avp tonight........and ...............it works! Would recommend the movie (prometheus) to all you alien series fans too.
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post #23992 of 25095
12/8/12 at 11:00pm
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$2600 with the upgrade. You seem to be a lucky person can you buy some lottery tickets for me smile.gif
Very good deal sir. The last known new price in europe was 8999 euro + 1200 euro upgrade. Thats $13200 ....
Daniel.

I feel very lucky thank you. I also have to thank Magnolia HiFi, they have been wonderful. Thanks everyone.
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post #23993 of 25095
12/10/12 at 8:37am
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Naturally, Denon didn't get back to me today on this. Is it really this difficult for them to determine if a product is a refurb or not? My gut says that it's a refurb as it seems pretty unlikely that they would have put a "refurb" warranty sheet in with a brand new, A-stock, product. The good thing in all of this is that the AVS store seems to be a class act in handling this very professionally. They had asked me to email them pictures of the damaged handles, so I also included a picture of the warranty sheet. I got a call back a short time after I sent the email and it sounded like they had already started a conversation with Denon. They've offered me the choice of a full refund, or a partial refund (presumably to match Dakmart's price) if they can get replacement handles. My inclination is to return it if it is indeed a refurb since the warranty would only be 1 year rather than 3 and the damaged handles could be a hint of further damage that could surface sometime in the future. A partially cracked PCB could potentially work fine for a while and then end up being a very expensive repair a few years down the road.

AVS is going to take the POA back and issue me a full refund. While getting it boxed back up, I had the amp upside down briefly so I could get the inner box on and there was a very clear "REFURBUSHED - Warrany Void if Removed" sticker on the bottom covering one of the screws, so there's no question that Denon sent a refurb item to AVS. AVS has been absolutely professional about this since my initial contact about the damaged handles and I won't hesitate to do business with them again in the future. They're definitely a class act. It's all boxed up and ready for a buddy to help me get out the front door and down the steps so UPS can come get it.

Once I get my refund, I'm back to deciding what's next smile.gif.
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post #23994 of 25095
12/13/12 at 3:20pm
Hi all,

I am new to Denon AVP & POA. I got my POA from audiogon and AVP from amazon. The AVP box has a letter A and the unit front panel has a little label saying Upgraded Audyssey Dynamic Volume, what exactly is that mean?

Thanks
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post #23995 of 25095
12/13/12 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by freedom88 View Post

Hi all,
I am new to Denon AVP & POA. I got my POA from audiogon and AVP from amazon. The AVP box has a letter A and the unit front panel has a little label saying Upgraded Audyssey Dynamic Volume, what exactly is that mean?
Thanks

That just means it's a revision/update of sorts to the original AVP. I recall it also includes DenonLink 4th, where the original AVPs needed a firmware update to support DL4. What you really should consider is the hardware/software update to make your AVP the "3D" Edition. This will also give you Audyssey XT32, among other things, and brings the AVP back to pretty much state-of-the art for AV processors.

Question for you guys.... Ever since I upgraded my center/surround amp, I am finding that my surrounds are too high for my liking when I'm watching moves at low volume. Yes, I did re-run Audyssey with the Pro kit mic. wink.gif When I experience the louder-than-normal surrounds, I'm listening with Reference Level Offset at 0dB, and the Evening setting for Dynamic Volume. What do you recommend that I change, to lower the relative volume of the surrounds? Maybe RLO at -10dB?
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post #23996 of 25095
12/13/12 at 8:24pm
Thanks Sam!

I am thinking of getting it upgrade. Is it really worth it? I am in Ontario Canada and I would like to know how would cost for the upgrade.
I am currently using it with OPPO 95 which has 2 HDMI output, 1 goes directly to TV for 3D the other output to AVP for non 3D.
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post #23997 of 25095
12/13/12 at 8:38pm
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Thanks Sam!
I am thinking of getting it upgrade. Is it really worth it? I am in Ontario Canada and I would like to know how would cost for the upgrade.
I am currently using it with OPPO 95 which has 2 HDMI output, 1 goes directly to TV for 3D the other output to AVP for non 3D.
I think most of us who have gotten the upgrade would agree that it's worth the cost just to get the Audyssey XT32 portion of it.
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post #23998 of 25095
12/14/12 at 4:28am
@sam...

yes, you are on the correct path there, re: rlo...

for movies and mch music, try turning off dynamic volume, and start with a rlo of 5... that seems to take the edge off the "over boosted" surrounds for me...

tv "works best" for me with a rlo of 10, although 15 is preferable with fox sports broadcasts (for some reaons, they still mix the surrounds way too hot to start with)...
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post #23999 of 25095
12/14/12 at 4:44am
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

That just means it's a revision/update of sorts to the original AVP. I recall it also includes DenonLink 4th, where the original AVPs needed a firmware update to support DL4. What you really should consider is the hardware/software update to make your AVP the "3D" Edition. This will also give you Audyssey XT32, among other things, and brings the AVP back to pretty much state-of-the art for AV processors.
Question for you guys.... Ever since I upgraded my center/surround amp, I am finding that my surrounds are too high for my liking when I'm watching moves at low volume. Yes, I did re-run Audyssey with the Pro kit mic. wink.gif When I experience the louder-than-normal surrounds, I'm listening with Reference Level Offset at 0dB, and the Evening setting for Dynamic Volume. What do you recommend that I change, to lower the relative volume of the surrounds? Maybe RLO at -10dB?

Ive turned mine off, Im at -4db when the DTS HD Offset it is +4db
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post #24000 of 25095
12/14/12 at 4:45am
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

I think most of us who have gotten the upgrade would agree that it's worth the cost just to get the Audyssey XT32 portion of it.

I definitley agree. The pro kit also is an added advantage too smile.gif
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