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Originally Posted by Ganymed4 View Post

I am happy that you could achieve what you wanted and that you 'got the AVP virus' biggrin.gif

Me too and I have to say, I played today a little bit with mine and I understand how much other manufacturers learned from this excellent unit. Just think about how to use the menu and it was done four years ago, the settings. I was used to it, by my Onkyo/Integra Pre-amp - but they acheived it later. It's all just there. Amazing Denon.
I mean shifting the top units of the D&M brand to Marantz is OK but if the best Marantz can do is a 'tuned' 4520, this will be not my playground. I need something better, like the AVP. But I think, that the AVP can last at least five more years. 4k is not a problem with a separate HDMI link directly to the display and I don't think the sound formats won't change this much.
OK 11.1 is coming - it seems, but the problem is the amount of hardware you need - power amps and especially speakers.

For me personally 9.2 with heights will do. It is nice - according to the Expendables 2 BD, I tested - but it is an overkill regarding speakers in a living room. I can't places wides - point. It is also always a trade-off between what your living habits are and the amount of equipment you can put into a given room.

For me 9.2 is ok but 11.2 will never make it. Happy with AVP, because it has the best sound, I know.

Im hoping to have the AVP last for a long while, I guess the next one to look at is if Dolby Atmos hits home, but then again were talking about a whole new level of theatre experience and another 5 years I think.

The only thing I believe that is always improving in HT is the visual side.
post #24302 of 25955
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Did you just call my AVP a ship ?

If it was a ship i would not be jumping !, Someone would have to make me walk the plank...


Daniel.

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post #24303 of 25955
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Keep in mind modes like stereo/direct/pure-direct can be tuned on the avp, so you can indeed change if the sub works, if dsp's are turned on and/or audyssey will be used. Personally i use 2 channel's pure direct with the sub on and audyssey.

Daniel.

How do you get the sub to work with 2 channel pure direct on the AVP? My doesn't work with direct or pure direct, only stereo. Thanks.
post #24304 of 25955
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Originally Posted by Ganymed4 View Post

I am happy that you could achieve what you wanted and that you 'got the AVP virus' biggrin.gif

Me too and I have to say, I played today a little bit with mine and I understand how much other manufacturers learned from this excellent unit. Just think about how to use the menu and it was done four years ago, the settings. I was used to it, by my Onkyo/Integra Pre-amp - but they acheived it later. It's all just there. Amazing Denon.
I mean shifting the top units of the D&M brand to Marantz is OK but if the best Marantz can do is a 'tuned' 4520, this will be not my playground. I need something better, like the AVP. But I think, that the AVP can last at least five more years. 4k is not a problem with a separate HDMI link directly to the display and I don't think the sound formats won't change this much.
OK 11.1 is coming - it seems, but the problem is the amount of hardware you need - power amps and especially speakers.

For me personally 9.2 with heights will do. It is nice - according to the Expendables 2 BD, I tested - but it is an overkill regarding speakers in a living room. I can't places wides - point. It is also always a trade-off between what your living habits are and the amount of equipment you can put into a given room.

For me 9.2 is ok but 11.2 will never make it. Happy with AVP, because it has the best sound, I know.

Yes I agree. The AVP is in a class all to itself. It only misses 11.2, has enough channels to do 11.1 but the Audyssey in the AVP doesnt offer height and widths at the same time. Seems to me it could be done with and optional upgrade for owners that want 11.1, but that's how little I know.

Anyway the 9.3 AVP is awesome. Sound is incredible. Totally versatile, Blows away the MX150 which costs $12,000 vs $9,000 with upgrade. Haven't compared to the $30,000 Krell, but I would bet the AVP could hold its ground.
post #24305 of 25955
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Originally Posted by FlyBoy1999 View Post

How do you get the sub to work with 2 channel pure direct on the AVP? My doesn't work with direct or pure direct, only stereo. Thanks.

You have to enable the sub in the AVP menu. Go to 2CH Direct/Stereo. Select Custom under the setting > Subwoofer yes > LFE+Main.
post #24306 of 25955
@Dahlgren, 50khz, 100khz, in your player is a sacd only filter, ..Just read your posts. If you have any questions feel free to pm me. UD 9004 is A1UD, without DL4.So if in doubt i will be happy to answer you.


John.
post #24307 of 25955
May be somebody wrote here about this already but I finished my Audyssey Pro measurement today and found some interesting differences to my old Onkyo. I already exchanged some e-mails with Audyssey and even they don't tell me everything - which is understandable for me - I gathered some background information on how they deal with the manufacturers.
I am writing this, because I already wrote, that I was really surprised about the quality of the AVP sound with Audyssey XT, before the upgrade. At this point of time, I couldn't make a Pro measurement, because the original CI models with XT were only sold in the US - at least to my knowledge.

First of all, the Pro measurement is really worth it, I sat there, listening with open mouth. Amazing what this does. I can understand, why people were writing here that they liked this feature the most after the upgrade. I can only underline this.

However, I found some quite remarkable differences to the Audyssey Pro implementation of my former Onkyo Pre-Amp, also using the Pro version of Audyssey XT32. First of all: 75 dB seems to be different for Onkyo and Denon. Please note: I have an existing HT in 9.2 at home and changed only the Pre-Amp. The starting point of the measurement is the 75 dB volume adjustment of the subs. I have two, which means I have to do that. For Onkyo, I had to put my two THX U2 sub-woofers to about '9 o'clock' on the volume dial. I always found this too low but the Audyssey equipment showed even 78 dB for this setting. Well, what happened when I did the same with Denon? Had to turn it up to '12 o'clock', which is the THX recommended setting.
Then, if you have two sub-woofers, each should be measured for each position. Well, Onkyo's implementation does this only for the first position, all subsequent positions both are measured together. Denon not. All positions each sub-woofer is measured independently. Also the Pro result for Onkyo shows only one frequency curve for both sub-woofers, Denon has two.

I mean, this is really interesting, because I always had the feeling that with this 75 dB setting and subsequent measurements there is something wrong, in relation to the Onkyo. Now I know.
Seems as if Denon makes everything right here and I can hear that. Great and another confirmation for me, that an 'old' unit can beat a new one and thank you Denon for taking good care about the details.
Edited by Ganymed4 - 1/13/13 at 2:18pm
post #24308 of 25955
Can someone explain the Transducer and its function and use?
post #24309 of 25955
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Originally Posted by dahlgren View Post

Can someone explain the Transducer and its function and use?

I believe that it is used to drive devices like the Buttkicker to shake rattle and roll your chair.
post #24310 of 25955
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Originally Posted by Digione View Post

I believe that it is used to drive devices like the Buttkicker to shake rattle and roll your chair.

Yes, a very unique feature of the AVP-A1 HD.
post #24311 of 25955
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Originally Posted by Digione View Post

Not me, my AVP will be buried with me smile.gif.

Me too. Nothing else comes close to meeting my needs, and as an older guy with lots of "legacy" format stuff to play, nothing new will come close. If it dies, I will have to look for a used one!
post #24312 of 25955
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

@Dahlgren, 50khz, 100khz, in your player is a sacd only filter, ..Just read your posts. If you have any questions feel free to pm me. UD 9004 is A1UD, without DL4.So if in doubt i will be happy to answer you.


John.

Thank you I will.

Jerry
post #24313 of 25955
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Originally Posted by Digione View Post

I believe that it is used to drive devices like the Buttkicker to shake rattle and roll your chair.

What the heck is a buttkicker?
post #24314 of 25955
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Originally Posted by dahlgren View Post

What the heck is a buttkicker?
A very quick and simple Google search will answer that for you...
post #24315 of 25955
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Originally Posted by dahlgren View Post

What the heck is a buttkicker?

Is when someone kicks you in the butt. biggrin.gif

On a serious note its just a transducer that sits under the chair and vibrates.
post #24316 of 25955
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Originally Posted by dahlgren View Post

What the heck is a buttkicker?


Think of it , well actually is a vibrator , attached to your sofa, chair, whatever, that vibrates , passing those vibes to you.
post #24317 of 25955
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

Think of it , well actually is a vibrator , attached to your sofa, chair, whatever, that vibrates , passing those vibes to you.

Thx
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Is when someone kicks you in the butt. biggrin.gif

On a serious note its just a transducer that sits under the chair and vibrates.

Thx probably feels like that.
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

A very quick and simple Google search will answer that for you...

Thx for your assistance. Did that now and see what it is.
post #24318 of 25955
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

Think of it , well actually is a vibrator , attached to your sofa, chair, whatever, that vibrates , passing those vibes to you.

I knew i should have taken screenshots of their website they changed it now :

Before they had all kind of female users on their website enjoying their products in pr shots (the buttkicker) and their faces had a look on them that made me wonder what the story was they wanted to convey smile.gif.

I guess someone told them it was a confusing message and they now don't have any faces in their pr stuff at all...

Pity always made me smile.

Daniel.
post #24319 of 25955
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post


Before they had all kind of female users on their website enjoying their products in pr shots (the buttkicker) and their faces had a look on them that made me wonder what the story was they wanted to convey smile.gif.

Daniel.

Internet Archive Waybackmahine to the rescue.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080531015016/http://www.thebuttkicker.com/home_theater/index.htm

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Originally Posted by Picasso Moon View Post

Internet Archive Waybackmahine to the rescue.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080531015016/http://www.thebuttkicker.com/home_theater/index.htm


Thanks i tried that yesterday but could not fine most of the images anymore, they somehow escaped the wayback machine... But here is a second one.. again i remember there where more and worse ones.

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^^
the woman in that last one looks like she's having more fun than she should be wink.gifbiggrin.gif
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We are all VERY familiar with that look, aren't we.wink.gif
post #24323 of 25955
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

We are all VERY familiar with that look, aren't we.wink.gif

It really depends on the movie we are playing...

Daniel.
Edited by danielo - 1/15/13 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

We are all VERY familiar with that look, aren't we.wink.gif

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We are all VERY familiar with that look, aren't we.wink.gif

Somehow rings a bell...rolleyes.gif
post #24326 of 25955
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Originally Posted by Ganymed4 View Post

We are all VERY familiar with that look, aren't we.wink.gif

Somehow rings a bell...rolleyes.gif

+1

But I thought that this thread was all about the A1HD.wink.gif
Edited by Digione - 1/16/13 at 4:21pm
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Well, I'll change the subject and hopefully keep it on topic........well sort of. smile.gif

I thought I would post this in the displays area but didn't really see a suitable thread so I thought I would ask you guys here since most of you are very knowledgeable (flatter, flatter).

For years I have noticed faint vertical lines at times in my picture. It is mostly obvious in the upper portion of the screen especially during lighter images (sky scenes, etc..) I have had this with rear projection, LCD and now plasma sets. I have had it with Onkyo, Harmon Kardon and Denon AVRs and now the AVP. I see it on most any source from broadcast TV and bluray. I thought maybe it was something in my setup but I have even seen it in hotel room tv's. Yesterday, I confirmed it was not in my setup: We went and saw THE HOBBIT on 3D IMAX (had to drive 40 miles) which uses DLP technology and it was really evident on the big screen.

I can only assume it is some form of motion interpolation or screen resolution issue but I am at a loss as to why we can now have such a fantastic picture that is ruined by this faint vertical striping.

Can any of you pros explain what I am seeing and if there is any known solution? Or, at the least, tell me where I should post this.cool.gif

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Well, I'll change the subject and hopefully keep it on topic........well sort of. smile.gif

I thought I would post this in the displays area but didn't really see a suitable thread so I thought I would ask you guys here since most of you are very knowledgeable (flatter, flatter).

For years I have noticed faint vertical lines at times in my picture. It is mostly obvious in the upper portion of the screen especially during lighter images (sky scenes, etc..) I have had this with rear projection, LCD and now plasma sets. I have had it with Onkyo, Harmon Kardon and Denon AVRs and now the AVP. I see it on most any source from broadcast TV and bluray. I thought maybe it was something in my setup but I have even seen it in hotel room tv's. Yesterday, I confirmed it was not in my setup: We went and saw THE HOBBIT on 3D IMAX (had to drive 40 miles) which uses DLP technology and it was really evident on the big screen.

I can only assume it is some form of motion interpolation or screen resolution issue but I am at a loss as to why we can now have such a fantastic picture that is ruined by this faint vertical striping.

Can any of you pros explain what I am seeing and if there is any known solution? Or, at the least, tell me where I should post this.cool.gif

Thanks.

Well, this should be posted in a thread about display problems. I don't have this and I am using a SIM2 D80E projector and never had this problem. However, I can think of this banding by your personal eye vision. I have experienced people who can not stand a single chip DLP with color wheel. I am also not able to see this problem on LCDs or even 'The Hobbit' in the cinema - but it was 48 Hz presentation. But it may be there and it also may be a personal perception problem or something, I can not see.

I sometimes also see faint things in picture reproduction, but I put this to my personal, daily form. However, it could be there and only you recognize it.

Just my two cents

PS: The AVP has a remarkably better picture than all AV Pre-Amps I know.
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Well, I'll change the subject and hopefully keep it on topic........well sort of. smile.gif

I thought I would post this in the displays area but didn't really see a suitable thread so I thought I would ask you guys here since most of you are very knowledgeable (flatter, flatter).

For years I have noticed faint vertical lines at times in my picture. It is mostly obvious in the upper portion of the screen especially during lighter images (sky scenes, etc..) I have had this with rear projection, LCD and now plasma sets. I have had it with Onkyo, Harmon Kardon and Denon AVRs and now the AVP. I see it on most any source from broadcast TV and bluray. I thought maybe it was something in my setup but I have even seen it in hotel room tv's. Yesterday, I confirmed it was not in my setup: We went and saw THE HOBBIT on 3D IMAX (had to drive 40 miles) which uses DLP technology and it was really evident on the big screen.

I can only assume it is some form of motion interpolation or screen resolution issue but I am at a loss as to why we can now have such a fantastic picture that is ruined by this faint vertical striping.

Can any of you pros explain what I am seeing and if there is any known solution? Or, at the least, tell me where I should post this.cool.gif

Thanks.

If these are vertical lines that are equally spaced then at a guess it is possibly either clock data lines or a resolution issue that relates to the data steps that the processing can create. I can create a similar effect on my BENQ W10000 (DLP) if I deliberately mess with the gamma curve and brightness/contrast controls. If they are caused by the internal clock this may just be a grounding issue unless their is a flaw in the display design.

My 2 cents.
post #24330 of 25955
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Originally Posted by Digione View Post

If these are vertical lines that are equally spaced then at a guess it is possibly either clock data lines or a resolution issue that relates to the data steps that the processing can create. I can create a similar effect on my BENQ W10000 (DLP) if I deliberately mess with the gamma curve and brightness/contrast controls. If they are caused by the internal clock this may just be a grounding issue unless their is a flaw in the display design.

My 2 cents.

Thanks Paul. Yes, they are equally spaced pin-stripe type lines. I don't see them all the time nor do I see them consistently with the same show/material: They will be there one minute and then gone the next. On broadcast material, some channels are worse than others. For example, the Public TV channels are worse (This Old House). What really made me think it was not my setup was seeing it on the 3D IMAX the other day. You are probably right with it being the brightness/contrast/gamma settings. I tend to favor a higher gamma and the Imax theater may have boosted these settings to get the brightness up for the 3D.

Sorry to hijack the thread - if anyone has any more suggestions please PM me.

I will go away now.wink.gif
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