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post #24391 of 25955
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Originally Posted by Ganymed4 View Post

Let me see, if I can find it in Ask Audyssey.
Sorry, I can't publish the link here due to privacy reasons.
The whole Answer from Chris was:
...Dynamic EQ is absolutely necessary if you listen at any volume level below reference (0 dB). It must always be on to make sure the balance is maintained at lower listening levels.
Don't worry about the subwoofer dynamic range. It doesn't matter where the level on the sub is set. It's just a relative setting."....
Listening to the sound of 'Dredd' in 9.2 with the AVP was just exactly what I always wanted to hear. I hope this answers your question. In doubt, please use Ask Audyssey.
But at the end, you are right, it is absolutely optional. However, I found it most helpful, if you are using XT32. For XT, I would find it too much. Or in other words: There is a difference in the implementation of DEQ in XT and XT32.
Thnx for the quote and I think we agree that it is in fact NOT "absolutely necessary if you listen at any volume level below reference (0 dB). It must always be on to make sure the balance is maintained at lower listening levels."

I like DEQ but it is an optional EQ tweak. It performs its intended EQ function quite accurately for film. However for music it often produces inbalance in two major ways. One, it can boost the bass too much, so usually requires adjustment to the track by use of RLO, as I'm sure you're aware. With MC music it boosts surrounds way too much and IME even using the proper RLO setting to tame the bass is not enough. For MC music, having to tweak RLO and then tweak the fader is too much trouble for me. So for MC music I just turn off DEQ and turn up MV.

I do not not take Chris' statement quite so literally in this ex.
post #24392 of 25955
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Thnx for the quote and I think we agree that it is in fact NOT "absolutely necessary if you listen at any volume level below reference (0 dB). It must always be on to make sure the balance is maintained at lower listening levels."

I like DEQ but it is an optional EQ tweak. It performs its intended EQ function quite accurately for film. However for music it often produces inbalance in two major ways. One, it can boost the bass too much, so usually requires adjustment to the track by use of RLO, as I'm sure you're aware. With MC music it boosts surrounds way too much and IME even using the proper RLO setting to tame the bass is not enough. For MC music, having to tweak RLO and then tweak the fader is too much trouble for me. So for MC music I just turn off DEQ and turn up MV.

I do not not take Chris' statement quite so literally in this ex.

I sort of would like to have a similar DEQ/RLO for center channel loudness. I have issues with my hearing (sensitive) so I tend to listen at lower volumes but when I do this with some movies, mostly movies with a lot of dynamics (gunshots, explosions, etc.) I have to really turn the volume down but when I do this, I lose center channel level too much. I have experimented with the DEQ/RLO ad nauseum but to no avail and I can't simply boost the center volume because I listen to a lot of mch music where it is just fine. I may have to purchase another Oppo and set it up with its own AVP settings for movies. Might be a good excuse to go ahead and spring for the new BDP 103 or 105.wink.gif
post #24393 of 25955
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Thnx for the quote and I think we agree that it is in fact NOT "absolutely necessary if you listen at any volume level below reference (0 dB). It must always be on to make sure the balance is maintained at lower listening levels."

I like DEQ but it is an optional EQ tweak. It performs its intended EQ function quite accurately for film. However for music it often produces inbalance in two major ways. One, it can boost the bass too much, so usually requires adjustment to the track by use of RLO, as I'm sure you're aware. With MC music it boosts surrounds way too much and IME even using the proper RLO setting to tame the bass is not enough. For MC music, having to tweak RLO and then tweak the fader is too much trouble for me. So for MC music I just turn off DEQ and turn up MV.

I do not not take Chris' statement quite so literally in this ex.

You are welcome.

Yeah, I read a similar discussion on Ask Audyssey and there, Chris is not this specific and determined in what he is writing about the use of DEQ. Because I rarely listen to music - only background music - I found DEQ ok. However, I also didn't like the idea to have it turned on by default. But it seems it adds the amount of bass, I personally like.

But it is optional. No doubt.
post #24394 of 25955
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

I sort of would like to have a similar DEQ/RLO for center channel loudness. I have issues with my hearing (sensitive) so I tend to listen at lower volumes but when I do this with some movies, mostly movies with a lot of dynamics (gunshots, explosions, etc.) I have to really turn the volume down but when I do this, I lose center channel level too much. I have experimented with the DEQ/RLO ad nauseum but to no avail and I can't simply boost the center volume because I listen to a lot of mch music where it is just fine. I may have to purchase another Oppo and set it up with its own AVP settings for movies. Might be a good excuse to go ahead and spring for the new BDP 103 or 105.wink.gif
DVol on evening will help with dialog. Also, I believe you could use a dedicated "Quick Select" with the CC boosted, then another QS to restore CC to nl.

If not, just hit the Ch Level button and up the CC a bit, then back down after. Nah, that's a PIA, you need another Oppo..biggrin.gif
post #24395 of 25955
^^
I'll try dynamic volume. Already using all the quick selects.

I am sure it is just me. My wife doesn't generally like the loud extremes either and the times we have had friends over, we generally keep the volume down too. For movies, I rarely listen to anything higher than -18 but mostly I am in the -22-28 range. No where near reference level.
post #24396 of 25955
Hi. I am trying to diagnose a fault with my AVPA1HDA:

The unit powers up fine, but I cannot get any sound from the phono or XLR outs on any source, although the unit recognises the input fine.

I am sure the unit used to "click" when you turned the left hand source select knob.

It doesn't now.

Can someone confirm wether or not turning the knob to select a different source makes the unit (ie relays) click ?

Any other assistance greatly appreciated.

Thanks Tom
post #24397 of 25955
Hi, I am trying to find out what is the problem of my POA

I connect my FL speaker to my L1 bank of the amp, when using channel tester, and everything at default, my left speaker will always hisss louder than others.
So I swapped my front speakers, same, so it's not because of the speakers.

I then swap the xlr at the AVP, and noticed that, which ever speaker that uses that L1 bank amp from the POA, will be louder

Also, when watching movie or listen to music it is signicificant louder as well just like when testing with channel tester.

What is happening? Is it my AVP or POA's falut?

Thanks
post #24398 of 25955
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Originally Posted by Tom Edge View Post

Hi. I am trying to diagnose a fault with my AVPA1HDA:

The unit powers up fine, but I cannot get any sound from the phono or XLR outs on any source, although the unit recognises the input fine.

I am sure the unit used to "click" when you turned the left hand source select knob.

It doesn't now.

Can someone confirm wether or not turning the knob to select a different source makes the unit (ie relays) click ?

Any other assistance greatly appreciated.

Thanks Tom
Have you tried using the AVP's radio source or the built-in test tones? Have you tried doing a factory reset? Those are a few things I would try before anything else. Also, what are you using for an amp and do you have a way to confirm that amp is working properly?
post #24399 of 25955
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Originally Posted by cglin222 View Post

Hi, I am trying to find out what is the problem of my POA

I connect my FL speaker to my L1 bank of the amp, when using channel tester, and everything at default, my left speaker will always hisss louder than others.
So I swapped my front speakers, same, so it's not because of the speakers.
When say "So I swapped my front speakers, same", does this mean that after swapping your front right speaker is now louder than the others?
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I then swap the xlr at the AVP, and noticed that, which ever speaker that uses that L1 bank amp from the POA, will be louder

Also, when watching movie or listen to music it is signicificant louder as well just like when testing with channel tester.

What is happening? Is it my AVP or POA's falut?
If swapping which speaker is connected to L1 and swapping which output on the AVP is connected to L1 always results in the speaker connected to L1 being louder than the others, then the fault is almost certainly with the POA.
post #24400 of 25955
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

When say "So I swapped my front speakers, same", does this mean that after swapping your front right speaker is now louder than the others?
If swapping which speaker is connected to L1 and swapping which output on the AVP is connected to L1 always results in the speaker connected to L1 being louder than the others, then the fault is almost certainly with the POA.

Hi, So when I said swaping speakers, it is still the FL speakers that hisss louder, so that's why I was certain not the speaker problem
Thanks for your valuable input, I will try to swap out the POA and check once again.
post #24401 of 25955
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Have you tried using the AVP's radio source or the built-in test tones? Have you tried doing a factory reset? Those are a few things I would try before anything else. Also, what are you using for an amp and do you have a way to confirm that amp is working properly?

Yes, tried NET/USB and external blu ray source via HDMI. The front panel lights up as normal and shows all relevant symbols but nothing from the RCA or XLR outs.

The power amps it is going to work fine.

I have tried a factory reset and updated the firmware to latest version frown.gif

Thanks Tom
post #24402 of 25955
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Originally Posted by cglin222 View Post

Hi, So when I said swaping speakers, it is still the FL speakers that hisss louder, so that's why I was certain not the speaker problem
Thanks for your valuable input, I will try to swap out the POA and check once again.

This happened to me once. The fix was simple, I power cycled the AVP and that fixed it. You might want to try a power cycle.

Brad
post #24403 of 25955
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Originally Posted by BRADH View Post

This happened to me once. The fix was simple, I power cycled the AVP and that fixed it. You might want to try a power cycle.

Brad

Hi, Brad

I've actually shut off my AVP many times, so are you saying that it might also be the AVP now and not the POA?

Also, why when I do channel tester, when down to SR or SL forgot which, my sub was also hissing too?
I connected the sub from sw1 (audio pre-out) on avp to LFE in on my sub, is this correct? well, actually the installer that brought the stuff connected it

and also set the sub to use LFE+main

Is my AVP/POA defected somehow? since I got it as a demo unit sale from bestbuy magnolia...

I am thinking of switching to MC8207 for my ML Montis, but I am liking the AVP, but worst case, if AVP is also defected, what is another good pre/pro to get? Marantz 8801?
I wanted one with xlr cd in to connect my oppo105

Thanks
George
post #24404 of 25955
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Originally Posted by cglin222 View Post

Hi, So when I said swaping speakers, it is still the FL speakers that hisss louder, so that's why I was certain not the speaker problem
Thanks for your valuable input, I will try to swap out the POA and check once again.

What do you have hooked to your AVP ? I'm curious if you are using any analog stereo inputs.
post #24405 of 25955
@cglin222

I would also make sure it isn't a ground loop. Hiss noise can be a hum to some folks.
post #24406 of 25955
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

@cglin222

I would also make sure it isn't a ground loop. Hiss noise can be a hum to some folks.

Happened to me once where I plugged an Ipod Dock (stereo analog ) I kept getting a cracking sound coming from the L channel speakers, even swappeed RCA cables and at the end found out it was a faulty power board that the Ipod dock was connected to. eek.gif Sometimes a simple thing like that can drive you crazy.

But RCA cables are know for being a problem when it comes to hissing.
post #24407 of 25955
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Originally Posted by cglin222 View Post

Hi, Brad

I've actually shut off my AVP many times, so are you saying that it might also be the AVP now and not the POA?

Also, why when I do channel tester, when down to SR or SL forgot which, my sub was also hissing too?
I connected the sub from sw1 (audio pre-out) on avp to LFE in on my sub, is this correct? well, actually the installer that brought the stuff connected it

and also set the sub to use LFE+main

Is my AVP/POA defected somehow? since I got it as a demo unit sale from bestbuy magnolia...

I am thinking of switching to MC8207 for my ML Montis, but I am liking the AVP, but worst case, if AVP is also defected, what is another good pre/pro to get? Marantz 8801?
I wanted one with xlr cd in to connect my oppo105

Thanks
George

Hi George

For me it was just a hiss coming out of one of the front channels. Power cycle fixed it for me. You could do a hard reset and see if that helps (use the web interface and back
up your setting first). At least this way you can elminate the AVP one way or the other.

Brad
post #24408 of 25955
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

What do you have hooked to your AVP ? I'm curious if you are using any analog stereo inputs.

From my AVP all balanced FR/FL/C/SR/SL to my POA
Sub SW1 audio pre-out to LFEin on MartinLogan Depth i
TV to oppo105 directly, oppo hdmi 2 out to AVP DVD hdmi in (to use the video from oppo directly)
From Oppo105 XLR out to AVP CD XLR in
TV to AVP Monitor 1 out
post #24409 of 25955
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Originally Posted by BRADH View Post

Hi George

For me it was just a hiss coming out of one of the front channels. Power cycle fixed it for me. You could do a hard reset and see if that helps (use the web interface and back
up your setting first). At least this way you can elminate the AVP one way or the other.

Brad

Hi, Brad

When you say power cycle, do you mean just turn on/off the power switch? or do you pull the power cord at the back while device in on? or off?
I did a hard reset once, still same thing.

But let me know of your method when you meant power cycle, I'll try it out

Thanks
post #24410 of 25955
Hi,

BTW, anyone know if I were going to change POA to McIntosh, how do I connect the control link?
from AVP mini jack out labled room to room to McIntosh ZA in?

Thanks
George
post #24411 of 25955
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Originally Posted by cglin222 View Post

Hi,

BTW, anyone know if I were going to change POA to McIntosh, how do I connect the control link?
from AVP mini jack out labled room to room to McIntosh ZA in?

Thanks
George

You wouldn't use the Control Link if you're going to a McIntosh amp. You'd just assign one of your trigger outputs.

Why would you go from POA to MC8207? That's a sideways move at best. If you want to upgrade from the POA, you'd want to get a combo of MC303, MC252, etc.
post #24412 of 25955
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

You wouldn't use the Control Link if you're going to a McIntosh amp. You'd just assign one of your trigger outputs.

Why would you go from POA to MC8207? That's a sideways move at best. If you want to upgrade from the POA, you'd want to get a combo of MC303, MC252, etc.

Just the cost of things, I got AVP/POA at very cheap discounted price since they are demo units, if replacing MC8207, I don't have to pay much difference, maybe another 500 - 1000 or so.
But getting MC303 and MC252 amounts to huge differences, unless I can find some where used.

Thanks
post #24413 of 25955
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Originally Posted by cglin222 View Post

Hi, Brad

When you say power cycle, do you mean just turn on/off the power switch? or do you pull the power cord at the back while device in on? or off?
I did a hard reset once, still same thing.

But let me know of your method when you meant power cycle, I'll try it out

Thanks

George,

Just the small power button on the right of the standy by button. Have you done a hard reset? Its worth a try. Dont forget to use the
web interface and save you settings.

Brad
post #24414 of 25955
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Originally Posted by BRADH View Post

George,

Just the small power button on the right of the standy by button. Have you done a hard reset? Its worth a try. Dont forget to use the
web interface and save you settings.

Brad

Hi, Brad

Ya, I actually did on/off power button, still same thing, also try the hard reset
Maybe there is a sequence to it, hard reset then power cycle... let me try that again

Thanks
George
post #24415 of 25955
Hey cglin222 and BradH, as MartinLogan owners and proud AVP owners as well, please join Seth (Oyeah32 - thread starter) and myself over on the MartinLoganOwners forum if you ever have questions relating to your speakers and such.

Also make sure to read my handy guide on doing Audyssey measurements for MartinLogans, as there are some guidelines unique to those speakers.

Cheers,
post #24416 of 25955
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Originally Posted by JonFo View Post

Hey cglin222 and BradH, as MartinLogan owners and proud AVP owners as well, please join Seth (Oyeah32 - thread starter) and myself over on the MartinLoganOwners forum if you ever have questions relating to your speakers and such.

Also make sure to read my handy guide on doing Audyssey measurements for MartinLogans, as there are some guidelines unique to those speakers.

Cheers,

Thanks Jonathan,

I joined about a year ago. The first thing I read was your Audyssey guide and it was very helpful. Also I love you center SL3, a labor of love and it sounds like it was worth the effort.

Brad
post #24417 of 25955
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Originally Posted by JonFo View Post

Hey cglin222 and BradH, as MartinLogan owners and proud AVP owners as well, please join Seth (Oyeah32 - thread starter) and myself over on the MartinLoganOwners forum if you ever have questions relating to your speakers and such.

Also make sure to read my handy guide on doing Audyssey measurements for MartinLogans, as there are some guidelines unique to those speakers.

Cheers,

Hi, Jonathan

Thanks for the link, I just bought ML, and is very proud to own it
I have Montis, Depth I, Stage X (soon, getting the first order), and FX2 for surrouds!!

Thanks
George
post #24418 of 25955
I still don't get it why doing channel tester, my Surround R and sub would hisss out sound....
This is bothering me ......

Any experts out there that might know the problem?

I reset everything, power cycled, I connected everything via xlr to poa except rca pre-out from sw1 (avp) to the ML depth i's LFE in, and set sub LFE+main
Is this ok?

Thanks
George
post #24419 of 25955
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Originally Posted by cglin222 View Post

I still don't get it why doing channel tester, my Surround R and sub would hisss out sound....

From sub, is it a hiss or a hum?

If a hum, then it's likely a common grounding problem. As you are using an RCA to connect to the Depth, this can easily be an EMI interference pickup from a transformer near the cable, or a ground loop between sub and pre-amp.

To test, plug the sub into the same power strip / outlet as the preamp and see if it goes away. If it does, then its a ground loop. Here's the definitive guide to understanding and dealing with ground loops.

As for the surround right 'hiss', can you please characterize it a bit more. How loud relative to other sounds? how close do you have to be to the speaker to hear it? etc.

BTW- a great tool for all audiophiles, is a sound measurement setup. If you have an iOS device, I highly recommend the Studio Six Digital Audio Tools App. Use the RTA when testing for Hiss and report back frequency and level. Better yet, post a screen shot of the measurement.

Cheers,
post #24420 of 25955
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Originally Posted by JonFo View Post


BTW- a great tool for all audiophiles, is a sound measurement setup. If you have an iOS device, I highly recommend the Studio Six Digital Audio Tools App. Use the RTA when testing for Hiss and report back frequency and level. Better yet, post a screen shot of the measurement.

Cheers,

As a side note THX Tune up tool is free for the next 2 days. Far from perfect but can be handy sometimes.

Daniel.
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