Official Denon AVP-A1HD/AVP-A1HDCI and POA-A1HD/POA-A1HDCI owners thread. - Page 822

Originally Posted by Ganymed4 

I know transducers only from a friend, who is using them together with a Marantz 7005. They are working well but can not replace a real LFE bass. It just 'kicks your butt' when there should be very low bass. This works, is a nice effect but I don't see it as a substitute for a really strong subwoofer or subwoofers. For the AVP I don't have any experience. Have you tried Dynamic Volume from Audyssey? I never used it, but it is said, it should do the same trick as the Night Listening Mode of the AVP.

Originally Posted by Digione 

Just spoke with Denon engineering here in Mahwah NJ. There is nothing listed internally for an update for 3D upgraded models. The only short update that is available is the SACD LF fix from 2012. Maybe it was not included in the upgrade

That SACD upgrade was to fix:

When playing SACD using Denon-Link, volume of bass (from subwoofer output) is very low.

When SACD is played, the output power level decreases because of operating of the Down Mix.

When 2ch signal of SACD is played, the output level decreases 3dB by the operation of the PLIIx / PLIIz

I just noticed that the above list includes PLIIz. That wasn't available on the non upgraded AVP was it, so I wonder if they have had to re-release the patch??

Originally Posted by Digione 

Chris at Audyssey warned me about this issue some time ago and advised me to keep my external Audyssey Sub EQ, which runs XT32, driven by one sub output from the AVP. So I manage to get the best of both worlds by first equalising my two subs with the Audyssey SubEQ then running the XT32 in the AVP using Pro. The double DAC conversion was not to be considered relevant or audable by Chris so I have never changed the setup. I suppose the combined XT32 + XT32 gives me XT64 and according to my measuremsnt is ruler flat to about 15Hz.

Originally Posted by Picasso Moon 

That is interesting. I have been happily running my upgraded AVP straight into a pair of SubMersive HP's for close to a year now. But I also still have my AS EQ1 which I decided not to sell since they don't make them anymore. When I get a chance, I think I'll hook it up like you have described and see if I can hear any difference between the SubEQ setup the Denon non-SubEQ setup .

Originally Posted by Hi-Res 

Does anyone know if the firmware updates for the Upgraded units have included a fix for the "When playing SACD using Denon-Link, volume of bass (from subwoofer output) is very low" problem?

Originally Posted by WillyJ 

^^
Sounds similar to my issue. It is a very low frequency. I can hear it above everything else. It is like the sub is too loud but even if I cut if way back, I still hear the thump. It is very isolated or limited frequency. Almost like someone is banging on the wall or running up the stairs. It doesn't last long and it isn't throughout the listening session. It is limited to certain records and even certain songs on the record.
I too thought maybe it was turntable rumble but it is a Rega P9 mounted on a rigid wooden shelf and my experience with rumble would be something that was always present, especially noticeable during quiet passages. This is actually only noticeable when music is playing. I am running it through a Fosgate Signature all-tube phono stage into my AVP. It is confined to my vinyl setup: I don't hear it at all with any other sources. The subs are matching Infinity Prelude MTS subs.

Maybe it is in the tubes............I can always switch it out with the one built into the AVP and see if I can isolate it. Just haven't had the time to play around with it yet.

Originally Posted by WillyJ 

^^

Can you recommend some (subsonic filters)? What brand and model are you using?

Originally Posted by Digione 

This update for the AVP was released in early 2012 and fixed the low LF problem with DSD SACD over DL. The update was included in the latest 3D upgrade, so if you did the upgrade you should be OK. If you didn't do the upgrade run the firmware upgrade and it should be downloaded as it is still listed as an available update on the Japanese website.

Originally Posted by Hi-Res 

I did do the 3D upgrade, and I have downloaded the latest firmware (including the recent 3 minute update) but it seems to me that the problem was not corrected. When I play an SACD using Denon Link, I need to adjust the subwoofer volume to a higher level than when playing DVD-Audio. Do others that have upgraded units notice this difference?

Originally Posted by WillyJ 

I think I am going to try to get the built-in eq activated again. In looking at my old graphs from many years ago, there is a huge db dip in the higher frequencies which I think means the lower frequencies would be boosted too much. I think the idea is to get a fairly flat response and what I see is nothing near flat - the lower frequencies are much higher db than the higher freqs. Not sure if Audyssey would be able to handle this much deviation especially with 2 separate subs.

Originally Posted by mikey mo 

I have attempted to reveiw the upgrade instructions contained on the CD (My God for $1,000.00 they can't provided an updated "book"), and I can't find whether or not the S-VHS imputs have been rendered useless. What am I missing?

Are the S-VHS imputs inoperable?

Originally Posted by Sam S 

You mean the S-video inputs? Why would they be disabled?

Originally Posted by mikey mo 

I know S-VHSi on the way out as further evidenced by the new OPPO players being built w/o analog outputs.

Originally Posted by Johnla 

It was not at all Oppo's choice to no longer have them, they can't have analog video outputs anymore. The reason Oppo, along with other brands of new blu-ray players no longer have a analog video output, is strictly due to the newer blu-ray licensing rules that now forbid them from being on all new blu-ray players that recently tool effect. Do a google search for "analog sunset" if you want more info about it.

Originally Posted by mikey mo 

I have attempted to review the upgrade instructions contained on the CD (My God for $1,000.00 they can't provided an updated "book")?, and I can't find whether or not the S-VHS inputs have been rendered useless. What am I missing?

Are the S-VHS inputs inoperable?

Originally Posted by Ganymed4 

I would love to confirm this but I don't have any analog output devices. Sorry.

But according to the manual the AVP can convert all lower resolution inputs to HDMI - VBS RCA - you mean this with Y/C(?) - and S-VHS. I also have no idea what a non-standard Y/C input shall be? Can you please help. Thanks

Originally Posted by Digione 

Yes you are correct the manual clearly shows that any input HDMI,component, composite video or Y/C (S-VHS) can be upconverted and output over the HDMI monitor connections, see page 9 in the manual for the main zone. On the same page in notes, last bullet, that under some circumstances the conversion may not work. This issue is also brought up on page 46 in the Note regarding Video Convert.

I would have thought that these notes would only apply to some strange non-broadcast line and frame rates that the hardware had not been designed to accept, not a Y/C SD 480I signal.

Heres hoping somebody can get the Y/C inputs to work. If you do please let us all know what you did to enable them[]/b].

Originally Posted by Sam S 

I literally just tried S-video on both front and rear inputs on my upgraded AVP, and they work just fine. I initially had a bit of trouble, even after making the requisite A to H video conversion, but then I cycled through the inputs and got a picture.

If you're certain you have the proper parameters set up to accept S-video, including disassociating HDMI with that input, then cycle through some inputs, or even turn the AVP on/off.

Originally Posted by Digione 



When you say "proper parameters" can you be any more specific, I understand disassociating HDMI and setting A to H.

Originally Posted by Sam S 

I'd have to go by memory now, but you're on the right track. I normally don't use analog video inputs, but of course you have to configure those parameters involving I/P conversion, etc. Make sure your source is outputting s-video ( you may have to unplug HDMI if you're testing from a cable box, like I did).

Originally Posted by mikey mo 

I hate to admit, but I still cannot get the S-VHS inputs to work. Let me ask you two questions, and I will go from there.

1. Which S-VHS inputs on the back did you connect your S-VHS cable to. In other words, how were they labeled on the back?
2. Which input did you select with the selector swich, ie, sat, dvd, dvr-1,dvr-2, etc.?

Thanks a lot.

Originally Posted by Sam S 

S-video not S-VHS

I tried the DVD, TV/CBL and front Aux S-Video inputs, as labeled on the front/rear panel. Mine are renamed, so it doesn't matter what the input selector says (i.e. whatever I renamed them), just that they corresponded to those three inputs on the back.

Did you try regular composite inputs?

Originally Posted by Digione 

Y/C or S-Video, either way I cannot get the two I have tried to drive the HDMI monitor outputs either. I understood that once you selected HDMI to NONE that the AVP automatically detected whether an analog signal was present on either the composite or Y/C inputs. If this is not the case what else do I need to do to tell the AVP to "look at" the analog video inputs?

As the Y/C inputs when selected appear on the composite monitor out, why do they not appear on the HDMI monitor out, as I get the menu but no source video signal?

Looks like more work this weekend.