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post #24721 of 25096
3/17/13 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by Ganymed4 View Post

Meanwhile I tested for you. It is as I wrote. I have about seven multichannel classical FLAC files two are 5.1, five are 5.0 - as you wrote. I can see that if I use 'Multichannel Direct' that in the input there are only five channels but the output shows 6, plus the subwoofer. However, there is no sound from the subwoofer. Exactly as you wrote.

Thank you once again Ganymed4. I have checked your findings and agree that the simple solution is to select straight MCH replay and not use Direct. The sub is then doing its job exactly as it should. Since I have already got one of my Quick Select buttons programmed to do Direct and another to do non-Direct, I am already well prepared smile.gif

Your effort to advise is much appreciated.
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post #24722 of 25096
3/17/13 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by Ganymed4 View Post

PS: Page 82/83 of the original manual shows the "Surround Modes and Parameters" and shows for 'Pure Direct' that the subwoofer is "turned on or off by speaker configuration", that must be the "LFE+Main" and that the LFE is on "when playing DD, DTS DVDA and SACD". May be your setting is right then. I am using 'THX' for the subwoofer and I don't get any sound from it using "Direct".

I am sure there is a way to have the sub operate with 2 channel playback in direct or pure direct modes so it follows that this should also apply for mch sources when there is no .1 channel info without engaging a dsp mode. My AVP is configured for sub playback with 2 channel (direct/pure direct) but I will have to see if I have any 5.0 recordings to see if my current avp settings work with them too..........Not sure if I even have any. Perhaps someone can PM me and email a short flac that has no .1 for me to test.wink.gif
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post #24723 of 25096
3/18/13 at 10:58am
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Originally Posted by DJB of Poole View Post

Thank you once again Ganymed4. I have checked your findings and agree that the simple solution is to select straight MCH replay and not use Direct. The sub is then doing its job exactly as it should. Since I have already got one of my Quick Select buttons programmed to do Direct and another to do non-Direct, I am already well prepared smile.gif

Your effort to advise is much appreciated.

You are very welcome and this is one of the things i was always curious abut with every AVR I owned. So your question changed my priority to find out, how this can be done with the AVP. I have never tried this before, only for Stereo sources. I also learned something, that classical music is most times encoded in 5.0. I wasn't aware of this, until I checked the multichannel files I have, also due to your question.
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post #24724 of 25096
3/18/13 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

I am sure there is a way to have the sub operate with 2 channel playback in direct or pure direct modes so it follows that this should also apply for mch sources when there is no .1 channel info without engaging a dsp mode. My AVP is configured for sub playback with 2 channel (direct/pure direct) but I will have to see if I have any 5.0 recordings to see if my current avp settings work with them too..........Not sure if I even have any. Perhaps someone can PM me and email a short flac that has no .1 for me to test.wink.gif

You got mail...smile.gif
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post #24725 of 25096
3/18/13 at 6:40pm
^^
I had a chance to play the 96k, 3/2/.0 flac file you sent me. I am getting sub output on my AVP. Front display lights show input from fl, fr, c, sl and sr and the display shows output from those channels plus sw and sw1 (I have 2 subs).

My settings:
STANDARD mode (multichannel in)
LFE+MAIN (sub setup)
Xover = ADVANCED (sub setup)
Speakers all set to SMALL (speaker configuration)
Sub=YES (speaker configuration)

Audyssey is ON, AL24 and Advanced front panel lights are on

I think that when one selects large front speakers and/or fixed Xover and/or THX sub (or some combination of those) it will limit your options and that may be what is keeping the sub(s) from playing.
Edited by WillyJ - 3/18/13 at 6:54pm
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post #24726 of 25096
3/19/13 at 8:46am
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Originally Posted by locutus2k View Post

That's exactly what happened. The service for Denon Italy doesn't hold the update (too expensive, only ordered by request). After months of wait they told me that Denon Germany who is the authorized seller of the update says is no longer available.
I would like to contact some Denon Europe "boss" but i really don't know who and how.
If someone can help i will appreciate. Thanks, Luigi

PM sent.
Kind regards.
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post #24727 of 25096
3/19/13 at 1:41pm
Great, this is good to know. That means it works as described in the manual.

And yes, it doesn't work for me this way, because my subwoofers are set to 'THX' which they are in fact.
They are also lighted in my case but in 'Direct' mode, I don't get any sound. However 'Stereo' and many other DSPs work for me.

Then some settings must be wrong in DJB's case - I guess.
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post #24728 of 25096
3/19/13 at 4:46pm
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Originally Posted by Ganymed4 View Post

Great, this is good to know. That means it works as described in the manual.

And yes, it doesn't work for me this way, because my subwoofers are set to 'THX' which they are in fact.
They are also lighted in my case but in 'Direct' mode, I don't get any sound. However 'Stereo' and many other DSPs work for me.

Then some settings must be wrong in DJB's case - I guess.

I think the issue is resolved quite satisfactorily. Sub control on with all settings except Direct and Pure Direct. I can live with that.

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post #24729 of 25096
3/20/13 at 6:28pm
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Just a question for all of you who got your AVP upgraded. Does the upgrade include all new HDMI's that are ver. 1.4a, and has ARC on them?

And if so, are any more upgrade kits available from Denon U.S.?
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post #24730 of 25096
3/20/13 at 7:17pm
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Just a question for all of you who got your AVP upgraded. Does the upgrade include all new HDMI's that are ver. 1.4a, and has ARC on them?

And if so, are any more upgrade kits available from Denon U.S.?

I don't recall any mention of 1.4a, or ARC. I think it's stil 1.3 with 3D support, kinda like the PS3.
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post #24731 of 25096
3/21/13 at 1:31am
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Just a question for all of you who got your AVP upgraded. Does the upgrade include all new HDMI's that are ver. 1.4a, and has ARC on them?

And if so, are any more upgrade kits available from Denon U.S.?

Hey Seth did you get your 4K TV ?
As Sam said I don't think we got 1.4a nor arc.

If you require those features the Marantz I think has those features Seth.
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post #24732 of 25096
3/21/13 at 1:50am
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Hey Seth did you get your 4K TV ?
As Sam said I don't think we got 1.4a nor arc.

If you require those features the Marantz I think has those features Seth.

Hi, Frank!

Yep, my new LG 84" 4K TV is installed and in use.smile.gif It arrived on Friday, and I have been learning to use all its functions since then. This thing is a sophisticated display! And it's a beauty to behold, as it's all metal and glass. About the only things plastic are the remotes. Fit and finish on this TV are top class. When I get a chance I'll post some pics in my gallery thread.

Yeah, I didn't think the upgrade brought 1.4a and ARC. But I may not need those features yet, so I may be able to continue using my AVP for a while longer.smile.gif But if it turns out I do, then like you said, the Marantz is probably the best option.
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post #24733 of 25096
3/21/13 at 2:14am
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Hi, Frank!

Yep, my new LG 84" 4K TV is installed and in use.smile.gif It arrived on Friday, and I have been learning to use all its functions since then. This thing is a sophisticated display! And it's a beauty to behold, as it's all metal and glass. About the only things plastic are the remotes. Fit and finish on this TV are top class. When I get a chance I'll post some pics in my gallery thread.

Yeah, I didn't think the upgrade brought 1.4a and ARC. But I may not need those features yet, so I may be able to continue using my AVP for a while longer.smile.gif But if it turns out I do, then like you said, the Marantz is probably the best option.

Looking forward in seeing the pics Seth.
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post #24734 of 25096
3/21/13 at 6:02pm
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Hi, Frank!

Yep, my new LG 84" 4K TV is installed and in use.smile.gif It arrived on Friday, and I have been learning to use all its functions since then. This thing is a sophisticated display! And it's a beauty to behold, as it's all metal and glass. About the only things plastic are the remotes. Fit and finish on this TV are top class. When I get a chance I'll post some pics in my gallery thread.

Yeah, I didn't think the upgrade brought 1.4a and ARC. But I may not need those features yet, so I may be able to continue using my AVP for a while longer.smile.gif But if it turns out I do, then like you said, the Marantz is probably the best option.

Seth, you can be the guinea pig: Get your AVP upgraded and test the 4K through it.smile.gif That is, if you can still get an upgrade kit. I think PaulDigione posted a week or so ago that Denon USA only had a few left. RUN!
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post #24735 of 25096
3/23/13 at 3:39am
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Daniel might know, haven't heard from him in awhile.

Ill ask around my guess is a few dealers are smart enough to have ordered some extra but no new batches will arrive. You are imho now looking for places who have them as repear parts or maybe ordered for units that didn't make it any new (as in order today) are probably gone.

Sorry if i have not been around, lots of european projects are starting up its spring smile.gif

Daniel.
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post #24736 of 25096
3/23/13 at 6:50am
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Hi, Frank!

Yep, my new LG 84" 4K TV is installed and in use.smile.gif It arrived on Friday, and I have been learning to use all its functions since then. This thing is a sophisticated display! And it's a beauty to behold, as it's all metal and glass. About the only things plastic are the remotes. Fit and finish on this TV are top class. When I get a chance I'll post some pics in my gallery thread.

Yeah, I didn't think the upgrade brought 1.4a and ARC. But I may not need those features yet, so I may be able to continue using my AVP for a while longer.smile.gif But if it turns out I do, then like you said, the Marantz is probably the best option.

Yeah the Marantz does all that. When I power on my LG TV, the HDMI control automatically turns on the Marantz, changes input and syncs the volume control. It's pretty slick.... SJ
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post #24737 of 25096
3/23/13 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Hi, Frank!

Yep, my new LG 84" 4K TV is installed and in use.smile.gif It arrived on Friday, and I have been learning to use all its functions since then. This thing is a sophisticated display! And it's a beauty to behold, as it's all metal and glass. About the only things plastic are the remotes. Fit and finish on this TV are top class. When I get a chance I'll post some pics in my gallery thread.

Yeah, I didn't think the upgrade brought 1.4a and ARC. But I may not need those features yet, so I may be able to continue using my AVP for a while longer.smile.gifBut if it turns out I do, then like you said, the Marantz is probably the best option.

Keep in mind that in many cases the TV's HDMI(ARC) connection can only pass PCM 2.0 while connecting via optical from the TV to the AVR will also allow for DD 5.1 (eg. Netflix movies). Check your owners manual to determine whether the HDMI(ARC) is able to pass DD 5.1. Also note that an annoyance for some is that with ARC enabled, the AVR will power on to the TV source every time (instead of last source used as would be expected) which can be avoided by making the optical cable connection instead.
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post #24738 of 25096
3/23/13 at 7:11am
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Originally Posted by SJHT View Post

Yeah the Marantz does all that. When I power on my LG TV, the HDMI control automatically turns on the Marantz, changes input and syncs the volume control. It's pretty slick.... SJ

iRule for Apple and Android smile.gif
http://www.iruleathome.com/
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post #24739 of 25096
3/23/13 at 7:13am
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iRule for Apple and Android smile.gif
http://www.iruleathome.com/

I still use the pronto tsu 9800 with its extenders. Does the job for now.
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post #24740 of 25096
3/23/13 at 10:27am
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iRule for Apple and Android smile.gif
http://www.iruleathome.com/
I have that too! Was running both pronto and iRule setups in parallel and decided to sale all of my pronto equipment. Only run iRule at this point, but the Marantz integration helps simplify. Use iRule for the AVP/POA setup in our dedicated theater. SJ
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post #24741 of 25096
3/23/13 at 6:33pm
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Seth, you can be the guinea pig: Get your AVP upgraded and test the 4K through it.smile.gif That is, if you can still get an upgrade kit. I think PaulDigione posted a week or so ago that Denon USA only had a few left. RUN!

As tempting as it is, I'd be majorly bummed if there is no HDMI ver. 1.4a. after shelling out $1,100. So most likely, I may have to go the Marantz route.

Let me explain the whole reason behind this possible need for HDMI ver. 1.4a. When playing 3D Blu-ray's on the new 4K TV I just got, the sound is out of sync with the picture. I have tried every possible connection method to correct this, all to no avail.And if I go from TV optical out to the AVP, the sound , while in sync, is in 2 channel. So I'm only getting a pseudo surround (PLIIX), and not 5.1 discrete digital.

By going HDMI out (audio) from my Oppo 103 to the AVP, and HDMI out (video) from the Oppo to the TV, the audio is out of sync. I have the AVP's auto lip sync function on, and I have even tried manually adjusting using the audio delay function. Nothing so far has worked. I selected "Game Mode" on the TV, as someone on another thread suggested, and even that did not work. So I'm stumped! So I'm hoping that by using a pre/pro that has HDMI ver. 1.4a, the audio return channel will sync it all up. And this way I can connect all my sources (HD satellite, Blu-ray, HD DVD, etc.) to the new pre/pro, and then go from the pre/pro to the TV using the ARC. And since HDMI ver. 1.4a fully supports 3D and 4K, playing 3D Blu-ray's this way be ideal, only if the audio is synced though.

I would really be sore, if I shelled out $3500 on the new Marantz 8801 only to find out that even with using ARC that the audio on 3D Blu-ray's is out of sync.

Any thoughts?
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post #24742 of 25096
3/23/13 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

As tempting as it is, I'd be majorly bummed if there is no HDMI ver. 1.4a. after shelling out $1,100. So most likely, I may have to go the Marantz route.

Let me explain the whole reason behind this possible need for HDMI ver. 1.4a. When playing 3D Blu-ray's on the new 4K TV I just got, the sound is out of sync with the picture. I have tried every possible connection method to correct this, all to no avail.And if I go from TV optical out to the AVP, the sound , while in sync, is in 2 channel. So I'm only getting a pseudo surround (PLIIX), and not 5.1 discrete digital.

By going HDMI out (audio) from my Oppo 103 to the AVP, and HDMI out (video) from the Oppo to the TV, the audio is out of sync. I have the AVP's auto lip sync function on, and I have even tried manually adjusting using the audio delay function. Nothing so far has worked. I selected "Game Mode" on the TV, as someone on another thread suggested, and even that did not work. So I'm stumped! So I'm hoping that by using a pre/pro that has HDMI ver. 1.4a, the audio return channel will sync it all up. And this way I can connect all my sources (HD satellite, Blu-ray, HD DVD, etc.) to the new pre/pro, and then go from the pre/pro to the TV using the ARC. And since HDMI ver. 1.4a fully supports 3D and 4K, playing 3D Blu-ray's this way be ideal, only if the audio is synced though.

I would really be sore, if I shelled out $3500 on the new Marantz 8801 only to find out that even with using ARC that the audio on 3D Blu-ray's is out of sync.

Any thoughts?
ARC is only for sending audio from the TV back to the AVR for things like using the built-in tuner or network apps on the TV. For the problem you're running into, ARC isn't going to make any difference. Going to the Marantz would get you 4k support, but ARC's usefulness is marginal at best as all it does is save you from connecting an extra cable between the TV and AVR.

If the audio is consistently out of sync and is ahead of the video, you should be able to use the lip sync adjustment in the AVP to compensate for that. The most likely culprit here is that the TV's video processing / scaling to 4k is probably relatively slow.
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post #24743 of 25096
3/23/13 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

As tempting as it is, I'd be majorly bummed if there is no HDMI ver. 1.4a. after shelling out $1,100. So most likely, I may have to go the Marantz route.

Let me explain the whole reason behind this possible need for HDMI ver. 1.4a. When playing 3D Blu-ray's on the new 4K TV I just got, the sound is out of sync with the picture. I have tried every possible connection method to correct this, all to no avail.And if I go from TV optical out to the AVP, the sound , while in sync, is in 2 channel. So I'm only getting a pseudo surround (PLIIX), and not 5.1 discrete digital.

By going HDMI out (audio) from my Oppo 103 to the AVP, and HDMI out (video) from the Oppo to the TV, the audio is out of sync. I have the AVP's auto lip sync function on, and I have even tried manually adjusting using the audio delay function. Nothing so far has worked. I selected "Game Mode" on the TV, as someone on another thread suggested, and even that did not work. So I'm stumped! So I'm hoping that by using a pre/pro that has HDMI ver. 1.4a, the audio return channel will sync it all up. And this way I can connect all my sources (HD satellite, Blu-ray, HD DVD, etc.) to the new pre/pro, and then go from the pre/pro to the TV using the ARC. And since HDMI ver. 1.4a fully supports 3D and 4K, playing 3D Blu-ray's this way be ideal, only if the audio is synced though.

I would really be sore, if I shelled out $3500 on the new Marantz 8801 only to find out that even with using ARC that the audio on 3D Blu-ray's is out of sync.

Any thoughts?

Have you asked the members on the marantz thread Seth? But it will be better if your able to test one in your system so you can be 100% sure.
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post #24744 of 25096
3/23/13 at 6:48pm
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As tempting as it is, I'd be majorly bummed if there is no HDMI ver. 1.4a. after shelling out $1,100. So most likely, I may have to go the Marantz route.

Let me explain the whole reason behind this possible need for HDMI ver. 1.4a. When playing 3D Blu-ray's on the new 4K TV I just got, the sound is out of sync with the picture. I have tried every possible connection method to correct this, all to no avail.And if I go from TV optical out to the AVP, the sound , while in sync, is in 2 channel. So I'm only getting a pseudo surround (PLIIX), and not 5.1 discrete digital.

By going HDMI out (audio) from my Oppo 103 to the AVP, and HDMI out (video) from the Oppo to the TV, the audio is out of sync. I have the AVP's auto lip sync function on, and I have even tried manually adjusting using the audio delay function. Nothing so far has worked. I selected "Game Mode" on the TV, as someone on another thread suggested, and even that did not work. So I'm stumped! So I'm hoping that by using a pre/pro that has HDMI ver. 1.4a, the audio return channel will sync it all up. And this way I can connect all my sources (HD satellite, Blu-ray, HD DVD, etc.) to the new pre/pro, and then go from the pre/pro to the TV using the ARC. And since HDMI ver. 1.4a fully supports 3D and 4K, playing 3D Blu-ray's this way be ideal, only if the audio is synced though.

I would really be sore, if I shelled out $3500 on the new Marantz 8801 only to find out that even with using ARC that the audio on 3D Blu-ray's is out of sync.

Any thoughts?
I have never noticed a lip sync issue with bluray but I have tolerated it to varying degrees with cable tv for many years(various brands and models of avrs). You probably are needing to speed the audio up which is what I have encounted with cable......That is a feature avr manufs should include. I think women notice it more than men because they actually watch people's faces when they talk.smile.gif And, I think it is more noticeable the bigger the picture becomes. So, you may have had it all along but just now are noticing it with your big new display. If speeding up the audio is what you need, I am not aware of a way to do this or slow down the video. In my case, I just tolerate it.
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3/24/13 at 2:09am
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

ARC is only for sending audio from the TV back to the AVR for things like using the built-in tuner or network apps on the TV. For the problem you're running into, ARC isn't going to make any difference. Going to the Marantz would get you 4k support, but ARC's usefulness is marginal at best as all it does is save you from connecting an extra cable between the TV and AVR.

If the audio is consistently out of sync and is ahead of the video, you should be able to use the lip sync adjustment in the AVP to compensate for that. The most likely culprit here is that the TV's video processing / scaling to 4k is probably relatively slow.

I did try the audio delay adjustment on the AVP. It goes from 0-200 ms, and it didn't do squat! I tried all connection methods, and nothing worked. So I have a TV that delivers the best 3D on the market, a library of 30 3D Blu-ray's, and I can't enjoy them the way I want to.

I'm going to call LG on Monday and see if they can help me resolve this audio sync issue.
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3/24/13 at 2:12am
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Have you asked the members on the marantz thread Seth? But it will be better if your able to test one in your system so you can be 100% sure.

I did, and now I'm just waiting for some replies. Yeah, it would be best to be able to try an AV8801 to see if it will work for me. But there are no Marantz dealers close to me that have the 8801, so I can't try one out first hand.
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3/24/13 at 3:04am
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As tempting as it is, I'd be majorly bummed if there is no HDMI ver. 1.4a. after shelling out $1,100. So most likely, I may have to go the Marantz route.

Let me explain the whole reason behind this possible need for HDMI ver. 1.4a. When playing 3D Blu-ray's on the new 4K TV I just got, the sound is out of sync with the picture. I have tried every possible connection method to correct this, all to no avail.And if I go from TV optical out to the AVP, the sound , while in sync, is in 2 channel. So I'm only getting a pseudo surround (PLIIX), and not 5.1 discrete digital.

By going HDMI out (audio) from my Oppo 103 to the AVP, and HDMI out (video) from the Oppo to the TV, the audio is out of sync. I have the AVP's auto lip sync function on, and I have even tried manually adjusting using the audio delay function. Nothing so far has worked. I selected "Game Mode" on the TV, as someone on another thread suggested, and even that did not work. So I'm stumped! So I'm hoping that by using a pre/pro that has HDMI ver. 1.4a, the audio return channel will sync it all up. And this way I can connect all my sources (HD satellite, Blu-ray, HD DVD, etc.) to the new pre/pro, and then go from the pre/pro to the TV using the ARC. And since HDMI ver. 1.4a fully supports 3D and 4K, playing 3D Blu-ray's this way be ideal, only if the audio is synced though.

I would really be sore, if I shelled out $3500 on the new Marantz 8801 only to find out that even with using ARC that the audio on 3D Blu-ray's is out of sync.

Any thoughts?

for what its worth I think hdmi v14 will do didly squat in this situation. there seems something wrong in additional processing along the way introdicing a delay.

I'm happily running 3D via my epson 9000W projector via cambridge 751 bd player (oppo 93/95 equivalnet) feeding the avp and onto the projector and there is no lip synch issues. and neither is it something you should experience either.

you absolutely do not need hdmi v1.4a for 3D. infact hdmi if you check their website has purposefully got rid of all reference to version numbers for this very reason.

there is something wrong here and I would lay this fairly and squarely at either some setting or some display issue ! are you upscaling in the display or using some other processing ? this could introduce some delays due to additional picture processing the display might be introducing.

have you tried using the dual out on the oppo so one goes direct player to display other player to avp for audio ?
Edited by alebonau - 3/24/13 at 3:31am
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3/24/13 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

I did, and now I'm just waiting for some replies. Yeah, it would be best to be able to try an AV8801 to see if it will work for me. But there are no Marantz dealers close to me that have the 8801, so I can't try one out first hand.

I am currently in the Oppo 103 thread and if I understand you correctly, you are using HDMI 1 for video and HDMI 2 for audio, correct?

If yes, then please read the last pages of the 'Official Oppo 103 owners' thread and you will find that you are not the only one with a lip sync problem. There are some reports.
In other words, if the set-up is as described above, this has nothing to do with the Denon and would also not be helped by the Marantz.

Try HDMI 1 only and change the Oppo to Dual HDMI and not 'Split'. Then go to the AVP and then to your display.

But can the AVP do 4k? This would be the question then.

However, this is a problem of the source and not of the AVP. At least this is my opinion.
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3/24/13 at 5:36pm
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I am currently in the Oppo 103 thread and if I understand you correctly, you are using HDMI 1 for video and HDMI 2 for audio, correct?

If yes, then please read the last pages of the 'Official Oppo 103 owners' thread and you will find that you are not the only one with a lip sync problem. There are some reports.
In other words, if the set-up is as described above, this has nothing to do with the Denon and would also not be helped by the Marantz.

Try HDMI 1 only and change the Oppo to Dual HDMI and not 'Split'. Then go to the AVP and then to your display.

But can the AVP do 4k? This would be the question then.

However, this is a problem of the source and not of the AVP. At least this is my opinion.
Signs of Deja Vu. When we only had Component Video and SPDIF we often saw this when DD and DVD players first came out. Whenever the audio and video go a separate path, and those paths become complicated, they will get out of sync. Since the processing is generally not uniform, setting a delay on the audio path (the simpler one) rarely fixes the problem, but can perhaps lessen it.

So the only real solution is one where the display does no processing and all the video/audio processing are done in the same unit (like the AVP).
Edited by Aesculus - 3/25/13 at 5:28pm
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3/24/13 at 5:59pm
I completely agree. The point with the Oppo is, that on HDMI 1 the Qdeo video processor is working, on HDMI 2 not. Nothing against Oppo - I own the 103 and think it is very close to my 2000 US$ Denon 3800 BDCI - but building one HDMI with full Qdeo processing (= delay), the other not, may be a bit of a flaw in the design of this machine.
I mean, I am not a circuit board expert and Denon did this also with the A1-UD - Anchor Bav on one HDMI and Realta T2 on the other. However, there it seems it worked.

I am absolutely not against the Oppo. This is a very good player and has many very useful features and has a list price of 499. For this price, the Oppo is - IMO - really a masterpiece. But it also has it's problems and flaws, as you can read in the Oppo thread. Sometimes only for specific people and they send it back to Oppo in exchange for a new one and it doesn't solve the problem. It seems there are so many influences and equipment combinations, that it always depends what you actually have.
I don't use two HDMI outs but ohyeah32 surely has a need to use the two HDMI outputs for his 4k display.

I can only confirm, that using the Oppo with one HDMI to the AVP doesn't cause any problems - at least in my case.
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