Official Denon AVP-A1HD/AVP-A1HDCI and POA-A1HD/POA-A1HDCI owners thread. - Page 837

Originally Posted by gsr 

There's no need to have native 4K source material, just a source device that can scale to 4K - such as an Oppo BDP-103 or BDP-105.

Originally Posted by rnrgagne 

If I get to 4k at some point and I still have the AVP, which is more likely than not, I'll just bypass the video either with a dual output player or switch. The only way I'm letting go of my AVP is if someone comes up with something better than XT32 Pro..... by a wide margin.

Originally Posted by gsr 

The potential problem with dual HDMI output is what Seth ran into for 3D - the audio and video could end up getting out of sync. But that's a bridge to cross when/if we come to it.

Originally Posted by alebonau 

no no...I'm talking real 4K source. not fake 4K upscaled or anything. otherwise we'll keep going on the circular argument its the upscaling introducing the delays lip synch etc the oppos are still only 1080p source and upscaling to 4K is a bit like the old dvd players that upscaled to high definition. wasnt the same as output from a blu-ray player

Originally Posted by alebonau 

yep is what I would do yep the avp aint going anyplace unless something better by a huge margin comes along.
no probs with dual hdmi and the avp. before I did the 3D upgrade on the avp I used the wireless hd transmitter for my epson pj that worked off my oppo 95 and then the cambridge 751's dual hdmi output worked a treat no lip synch and what not. same with after the upgrade at one stage I ran dual hdmi to and again no issues. I suspect seths issues more related to the 103/105 upscaling or his 3D display itself ! but yeah for me it would be worth a shot

Originally Posted by alebonau 

No disagree. It does not eliminate either the player or display as providing spanner In the works. As many here have mentioned we have all used dual hdmi with the avp and not had any issue. I still lay his lip synch issue at the feet of his oppo and display. I am pretty sure if he updated his avp it would be passing 3 D as every one here has done without lip synch. It's all the additional processing done on one video stream vs nothing done on the other. I don't know why that's not clear. If the signal was native no upscaling or further processing would be needed.

I myself rather try native 4k. It's a bit like jvcs eshift which they try and purport as 4k. Gimme a break ! What a load of crock. No diffent to the oppo upscaling DVD players anyone whom used those would say their upscaled DVD was no way confirmation their display or processor would pass blu-rays 1080p and hd audio were talking complete different ball game, different ball park ! Don't give two hoots about fake 4k

Originally Posted by alebonau 

Seth's situation lets leave that aside as all he was passing was 3D. And we all whom have done the upgrade or used dual hdmi' have done so and continue to do so without issue. His situation is particular to his player and display. If he had upgraded his avp, I dare say it would pass 3D as everyone else has whom has done the 3 D upgrade. Full stop. again we can agree to disagree. And since not and option for him pretty much a mute point of no value discussing further.

Originally Posted by gsr 

I don't believe anyone else has reported using a 4K display with 3D and the AVP in this thread, so that's a variable I don't believe anyone else has tested with either a single or dual HDMI cable configuration. But I agree that an upgraded AVP most likely would have solved his problems with 3D (his switch to the 8801 helps support that) - I never said or suggested otherwise.

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Originally Posted by gsr 

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The bottom line on 4K (whether native or so-called "fake") is that I doubt the upgraded AVP will support passing it through. I'm pretty confident that 1080p 3D is the highest bandwidth signal it will support as I would have expected Denon would have advertised support for 4K if they had expected it would work as that would have been a pretty strong selling point for the upgrade kits (stronger than 3D support, IMHO).

Originally Posted by Franin 

I'm in no rush to check it out, ill be definitely sitting on the fence and watching it grow. Funny thing is not many people have blu rays there still content with DVD.

Originally Posted by alebonau 

just as clarification seth wasnt using 4K material through the avp or even the marantz for matter of fact. he didnt want to get the 3D upgrade and was trying to run 3D bypassing the avp and having trouble with lip synch. as many of us posted back its clear that there are many of us quite happily using 3D with our upgraded avps and without any lip synch or any other issues

re 4K and the avp there is still no native 4K source material so until there is such media device you prob wont have an answer

Originally Posted by alebonau 

agree
am not sure if it will or wont either. the thing with hdmi they stopped giving numbers to them as way to many manufacturers would support this and not that. its like hdmi cables now they are just called high speed dont say whether they do 3D or 4k or anything. though quite probably 4K probably wasnt even a factor when the kits for the avp were developed I dare say. But am not too worried I dont even have a 4K display/PJ also am not throughly convinced in their need in a domestic setup given the 1-1.5x screen height viewing required to resolve.. but am curious in any case to check out

Originally Posted by PLA 

Mono price Redmere cables can do UHD but are unidirectional, so will not support ethernet or audio return channels.

This cable supports the following HDMI features:

1080p Resolution - This High Speed HDMI Cable has sufficient bandwidth to transfer 1080p video signals between 1080p rated source and sink (display) devices.


HDMI Ethernet Channel - The HDMI Ethernet Channel provides 100 Mbps, full-duplex Ethernet traffic along the HDMI cable, allowing a wired or wireless Ethernet connection on one device to be propagated to other devices. Note that for this feature to be functional, all pieces of equipment between the Ethernet source and the destination must support the HDMI Ethernet Channel feature.


Audio Return Channel - Normally, your HDMI cable carries audio information along with the video from a source device (e.g. blu-ray player) to the sink device (display/television). Often times this goes through an AV receiver to drive a home theater audio system. The Audio Return Channel is primarily used to send the audio signal generated by the television when its internal tuner is used, back to the AV receiver, so that you can use your home theater audio system when watching television signals.


3D - 3D is the latest rage for both home theater and gaming. A High Speed HDMI Cable is capable of handling the high bandwidth requirements of 3D signals.


4K - The 4K resolution is 3840 x 2160 pixels @ 24 Hz, which is four times that of a 1080p display and the same resolution used by state-of-the-art Digital Cinema systems. A High Speed HDMI Cable is capable of handling the high bandwidth required for 4K support.


Deep Color - The Deep Color feature provides a minimum of 8-bits per color element (24-bits total), providing for a total of over 16 million color variations. Other versions of Deep Color allow for up to 16-bits per element, for a total of 48-bits and over 281 trillion color variations, which really makes your video images come to life!


x.v.Color™ - x.v.Color is a promotion name given to the products that have the capability to realize a wide color space based on the xvYCC specifications and is a trademark of Sony Corporation. Currently, only AVCHD and Playstation™ 3 devices support x.v.Color.


High Definition Audio - HDMI supports a full range of high definition audio types, including SA-CD, DVD-Audio, DTS-HD Master Audio™, and Dolby TrueHD™.

Originally Posted by Picasso Moon 

I just re-cabled my whole system with RedMere cables a few weeks ago and absolutely love them for there ultra-compact size and flexibility. Huge improvement over conventional HDMI cables with their ferrite rings that are both stiff and bulky.

I don't use either Ethernet or ARC over HDMI in my system but Monoprice explicitly states that RedMere cables support both of these features. Are these false claims?

Originally Posted by PLA 

Not sure. Robert Herron of HD Nation claims that the unidirectional design prevents ARC and ethernet bidirectional traffic.