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post #25141 of 25955
we are not obsolete yet. See link to Audioholics state of the art HT room, powered by avpa1and poa1:
http://www.audioholics.com/buying-guides/reference-systems/audioholics-showcase-home
post #25142 of 25955
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Originally Posted by PLA View Post

we are not obsolete yet. See link to Audioholics state of the art HT room, powered by avpa1and poa1:
http://www.audioholics.com/buying-guides/reference-systems/audioholics-showcase-home

Thank you for posting this. Very interesting to read and I had no doubts that the AVP is still top of the line. For me it is still the best pre/pro with all features like a top AVR, triple the quality and 'living-room qualities'. Not such a puristic, high-end stuff where you miss this and that feature because it would have an impact on the sound. I think it combines the best of all worlds in hifi, AV and puts it together with the best choice of electronic components and an excellent build quality. However, it is surely not top of all classes and there are units on the market which are better in one or the other thing. But not in the sum of features. This makes the AVP outstanding for me.

I don't miss anything compared to other pre/pros on the market. This is the first pre/pro I own which makes me really happy and beats all other equipment, I had before. biggrin.gif
post #25143 of 25955
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I have several pc fans in my rack. I have 2 of them blowing air across the top of the AVP from the back to the front. Due to noise of the fans, they are turned way down so it is more of a gentle airflow effect rather than anything that would cause an air vortex inside the unit. A simple ac to dc 'brick" transformer is all you need albeit one with the right amps to drive the number of fans on the circuit at the correct speed. I had to experiment with the number of fans in order to get the speed where I wanted it to minimize the noise. I'm sure there are rheostats one could buy that would do the same thing but what I have seems to work. I am also considering a few of these ANTEC units when I get around to modding my rack later this year. Seems like these Antecs were recommended by someone on this thread some time ago.

carefull wiht the antecs they put out rf/im noise that I found actually corrupted our digital tv signal of all things ! I changed to noctua and no probs smile.gif

its easy to power them they just need a 12V source for which can use a 12V plug pack or brick as has been suggested.
post #25144 of 25955
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carefull wiht the antecs they put out rf/im noise that I found actually corrupted our digital tv signal of all things ! I changed to noctua and no probs smile.gif

its easy to power them they just need a 12V source for which can use a 12V plug pack or brick as has been suggested.

Thanks for that Al. I'll look into the Noctua fans as well.

Will
post #25145 of 25955
I have a question, may be somebody can help or has experience with this small problem.

We all know, that the AVP has very special output stages for the XLR connectors - each output has it's own Class-A amplifier, the green LEDs in the left and right side in the back of the unit.
My problem is, that I have two power-amps, one with XLR inputs, one only with RCA. I am currently using the power-amp with the RCA inputs for the back surrounds and front-height speakers and use the RCA outs of the AVP. For the LCR and SL, SR speakers I use the power amp with XLR inputs.

I wonder now, if there can be an improvement in the sound by switching from the RCA to the XLR out, by adding XLR to RCA adapters and maybe some attenuators of - 10 dB?

Has somebody else done this and if yes, what are your experiences with this? I am well aware, that the back surrounds and the front-heights are rarely in use and 'Dredd' or 'Expendables 2' sounded great with DTS NEO:X. However, before spending some money and doing some cabling and running maybe into problems afterwards with higher output power from the XLR outputs to RCA inputs, I thought I ask you for your experiences and advice.

Thank you in advance.
post #25146 of 25955
There is not much to gain by replacing rca"s to xlr"s for theese channels. You could do it , providing that you allready have a balanced amp. Not a unbalanced that you will feed with balanced to unbalanced adaptors.You will not gain anything.Actually you will only throw money out of the window.Dont.
post #25147 of 25955
Yeah, this was my concern. I ordered some time ago something called 'DI-Box', which does a balanced to single-ended conversion. But when I read the parameters about SN/THD and frequency, I sent them back because this was far inferior to the AVP even using the RCA outputs.

Well it seems, I am OK with RCA outputs for the time being...

Thank you Jomark911
post #25148 of 25955
as a bit of a history buff, like looking up stuff like this. the denon avp's history

AVP-8000 pro processor released 1985/87


AVP-A1 processor released 1997


then 2007/8 brought the AVP-a1HD as we know it here smile.gif


be interesting to see what 2016/7 brings ...only a few years away ! smile.gif
post #25149 of 25955
I have two of item number 1. One has DTS and the other just DD. I need to find them homes :-)
post #25150 of 25955
Great. Thank you Al. Nostalgic feelings are rising...

How the equipment was different in size, not so much in appearance or design. The AVP is really a monster compared to its two predecessors cool.gif
post #25151 of 25955
Having an issue with HDMI inputs and wondering if there is a way around it or if this is something I cannot change....

I have the Oppo 105 going out of HDMI #1 for video to theTV. I have Directv DVR going out of HDMI to Oppo 105 input to use Marvell chip in Oppo. I am then using Oppo 105 HDMI output #2 for sound to go to the Denon AVP input #1.

My problem is I am trying to set my Sat and DVD source selects to both use HDMI #1 on the AVP and when I turn off the AVP and then turn it back on the input for both is set to "none". Can you not use the same HDMI setting for 2 separate source selects? I can just use the same source select for both DVR and Bluray, but would prefer to use separate ones

Thanks for the help.
post #25152 of 25955
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Originally Posted by btscott View Post

Having an issue with HDMI inputs and wondering if there is a way around it or if this is something I cannot change....

I have the Oppo 105 going out of HDMI #1 for video to theTV. I have Directv DVR going out of HDMI to Oppo 105 input to use Marvell chip in Oppo. I am then using Oppo 105 HDMI output #2 for sound to go to the Denon AVP input #1.

My problem is I am trying to set my Sat and DVD source selects to both use HDMI #1 on the AVP and when I turn off the AVP and then turn it back on the input for both is set to "none". Can you not use the same HDMI setting for 2 separate source selects? I can just use the same source select for both DVR and Bluray, but would prefer to use separate ones

Thanks for the help.
Nope, you can't assign the same HDMI input to multiple sources on the AVP. I believe this is a side effect of having HDMI CEC capabilities as the AVP wouldn't know which source to select if the HDMI input could be assigned to more than one. One of many reasons why I despise CEC.
post #25153 of 25955
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Nope, you can't assign the same HDMI input to multiple sources on the AVP. I believe this is a side effect of having HDMI CEC capabilities as the AVP wouldn't know which source to select if the HDMI input could be assigned to more than one. One of many reasons why I despise CEC.

Thanks for the response. Too bad...
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I was in my theatre room recently watching a bluray movie via the AVP of course and noticed the centre channel is very very crisp and clear after the upgrade.I am really amazed at how well my AVP has taken the lead in my theatre room and how it is still the king of processors in my opinion. It does make me wonder especially after the upgrade if the sound can get any better as at the moment, i feel that for movies especially that i am at the pinnacle of sound quality with this machine.cool.gif

post #25155 of 25955
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I was in my theatre room recently watching a bluray movie via the AVP of course and noticed the centre channel is very very crisp and clear after the upgrade.I am really amazed at how well my AVP has taken the lead in my theatre room and how it is still the king of processors in my opinion. It does make me wonder especially after the upgrade if the sound can get any better as at the moment, i feel that for movies especially that i am at the pinnacle of sound quality with this machine.cool.gif

Good to know there is another owner happy with the upgrade - congrats. By far, the best money I have spent in the last year or so.

Makes me wonder though, whatever happened to that guy complaining about the SQ of the AVP and was having his upgrade done to see if it helped...........................I guess he is too busy mopping floors to post results.wink.gif
Edited by WillyJ - 6/20/13 at 7:48am
post #25156 of 25955
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Good to know there is another owner happy with the upgrade - congrats. By far, the best money I have spent in the last year or so.

Makes me wonder though, whatever happened to that guy complaining about the SQ of the AVP and was having his upgrade done to see if it helped...........................I guess he is too busy mopping floors to post results.wink.gif

Yea i agree, its a totally new sound with xt32 being the backbone of a great machine. Neo x adds a whole new feel to my movies. I am lucky having the sound proof theatre room, so i can crank up the volume for movies without disturbing any neighbors .The biggest difference since the upgrade for me has definately been the centre channel as its been the clear difference in volume and cripness,The AVP has been a true investment and i cant see it dying out for some time yet.Its The AVP is one of those units which people will remember for a long time to come as the processing is something special. The detail in sound for movies is the best i have ever listened to.Pioneer are giving me a new SC-LX86, so i will be doing some comparisons.It will be interesting to see what sound the latest intergrated receivers have compared to the AVP running through the sclx multi channel inputs for 7.1. I tried it with my vsxax10ai and my Avp had some great results Also i will get to test out Pioneers Advanced MCACC and Audyssey xt32.seperatly.

post #25157 of 25955
I have to agree with the comments. The center channel on my upgraded AVP is crystal clear. This was something I Immediately noticed post upgrade. For what it's worth, the Marantz 8801 in our family room is no way as clear although the speaker is much inferior. SJ
post #25158 of 25955
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Originally Posted by grassy View Post

I was in my theatre room recently watching a bluray movie via the AVP of course and noticed the centre channel is very very crisp and clear after the upgrade.I am really amazed at how well my AVP has taken the lead in my theatre room and how it is still the king of processors in my opinion. It does make me wonder especially after the upgrade if the sound can get any better as at the moment, i feel that for movies especially that i am at the pinnacle of sound quality with this machine.cool.gif
Interesting to hear you notice a big improvement Grassy, would you say its soley to do with the Audyssey 32x upgrade or there's more to it?

The AVP OOZES ultra high quality, The underlying modular design of the AVP is A thing of beauty..
Edited by cinema mad - 6/20/13 at 6:54pm
post #25159 of 25955
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Interesting to hear you notice a big improvement Grassy, would you say its soley to do with the Audyssey 32x upgrade or there's more to it?

The AVP OOZES ultra high quality, The underlying modular design of the AVP is A thing of beauty..

Thats a really good question, when i get my new pio sclx86 i plan on doing some tests to answer that question.I will then be able to use the multi channel inputs on that machine and see what xt32 sounds like via the avp that way all i am doing is essentially using the pioneers amp section,all the processing will be done by the denon by keeping the pio at factory settings. As i stated in my previous post i have already tried this with my vsxax10ai and had some fantastic results with awesome sound.Also it will at the same time give me a good idea on how the subwoofer channel sounds on both units as at the moment the sub goes directly to the avp.I will also set up my sc lx86 seperately using the mcacc setup which then will be acting as an intergrated machine with it doing the decoding and see what results i get.Also then my sub will go directly via the pioneer.I am using the velodyne DD15+.I hope i explained it properlysmile.gif

post #25160 of 25955
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Originally Posted by grassy View Post

I was in my theatre room recently watching a bluray movie via the AVP of course and noticed the centre channel is very very crisp and clear after the upgrade.I am really amazed at how well my AVP has taken the lead in my theatre room and how it is still the king of processors in my opinion. It does make me wonder especially after the upgrade if the sound can get any better as at the moment, i feel that for movies especially that i am at the pinnacle of sound quality with this machine.cool.gif

good stuff grassy ! yes quite a few of use noticed this straight after the upgrade the gains in the clarity since the upgrade. definitely the king of processors I agree smile.gif
post #25161 of 25955
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Interesting to hear you notice a big improvement Grassy, would you say its soley to do with the Audyssey 32x upgrade or there's more to it?

The AVP OOZES ultra high quality, The underlying modular design of the AVP is A thing of beauty..

welcome to our thread hear cm, great to see you here. the upgrade definitely brought gains, but building from an awesome base. sure is a thing of beauty indeed....just sublime. its the heart soul and brains of my system biggrin.gif
post #25162 of 25955
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good stuff grassy ! yes quite a few of use noticed this straight after the upgrade the gains in the clarity since the upgrade. definitely the king of processors I agree smile.gif

G'day AL, i dunno but every time i visit your Lounge room i get inspired for some reason.cool.gif It was your lounge room that put me on to the velodyne subs, after seeing them sitting there i had to have one.Did you know your costing me a fortunebiggrin.gif

post #25163 of 25955
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Originally Posted by cinema mad View Post


Interesting to hear you notice a big improvement Grassy, would you say its soley to do with the Audyssey 32x upgrade or there's more to it?

The AVP OOZES ultra high quality, The underlying modular design of the AVP is A thing of beauty..

welcome to our thread hear cm, great to see you here. the upgrade definitely brought gains, but building from an awesome base. sure is a thing of beauty indeed....just sublime. its the heart soul and brains of my system biggrin.gif
Thanks for your welcome & taking the time to share your impressions regarding the gains brought with the upgrade Al..
post #25164 of 25955
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good stuff grassy ! yes quite a few of use noticed this straight after the upgrade the gains in the clarity since the upgrade. definitely the king of processors I agree smile.gif
G'day AL, i dunno but every time i visit your Lounge room i get inspired for some reason.cool.gif
 It was your lounge room that put me on to the velodyne subs, after seeing them sitting there i had to have one.Did you know your costing me a fortunebiggrin.gif
Yep I think most us audio/videofile's have friends like Al that are A bad influence on us biggrin.gif ..
especially bad if one of those friends owns an AV store eek.gif
post #25165 of 25955
Hi,

I agree since i had 'trouble' with my center channel i was not 100% sure but i also find the avp+xt32 to be very clear on the center channel now.

So since we are talking about the avp A1 line being a classic range i decided to marry it with another classic line smile.gif. Here is my new frontend i (well 2 people) installed today.

happy happy joy joy smile.gif



802D2's and the htm2d lets see if they will feel at home being driven by a avp and poa.
post #25166 of 25955
This looks great Daniel. Congratulations to your new speakers. Would be interested to read what your impression is.

Your home cinema setup seems to be perfect, by the book. Must be a very good experience to watch a movie there.

Cheers

Markus
post #25167 of 25955
Beautiful Daniel. I bet we don't here from you for a while smile.gif
Brad
post #25168 of 25955
gorgeous danielo ! if I were buying B&W and am a bit of a B&W fan then that set is just what I would get !

ps what size screen you running there ? and can you share some dimensions of your room ? curious to see kind of room a front stage like that needs smile.gif

whats the rest of the room look like can you share a few more pics ? you running any subs ?
post #25169 of 25955
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Well you're a believer. I simply am not.

I regret using the term snake-oil because it implies selling something that does nothing at a ridiculous price. The only way to do that successfully is by creating blind faith belief so powerful that your followers will resort to insults to defend your companies' honor. Well.... at least these guys change some hardware.

I find it interesting that you can hear the difference between the AVP's 0.25db FR and .0002% THD and the Classe's 0.1db FR and .003% THD, especially since with both the FR variances occur outside of the frequencies that humans can hear...

Oh, and I tend to use a mop to wipe the floor, but that's just me. wink.gif

No youre not but you certainly haven't experienced the CM mod have you. It always cracks me up how Luddites are so determined to malign those striving for better just cos they're too scared to push the ball out

I CAN hear the difference and if you can't then may I suggest a good ear wax cleaner. The audio from the classe300 pees over the AVP Lucky I've worked in some great recording studios and know what things are actually meant to sound like when mixing multi million selling hit records eh?

CMike is a modder par excellence and any cloth ears out there who think the AVP sounds good in audio over HDMI REALLY need to check him out
post #25170 of 25955
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Good to know there is another owner happy with the upgrade - congrats. By far, the best money I have spent in the last year or so.

Makes me wonder though, whatever happened to that guy complaining about the SQ of the AVP and was having his upgrade done to see if it helped...........................I guess he is too busy mopping floors to post results.wink.gif

Actually no. What HAS occurred is a few people in the UK Germany and Holland now are posting that I'm correct and that the audio from the standard non upgraded non modded AVP pretty much sucks for the money
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