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post #25201 of 25956
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Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

why not wait up till cedia in sept and CES at start of next year...if in no hurry.

the EOL aspect is what scares me most. not so much as a fault of the player more that blu-ray as a format is a flawed one. new discs come out and unfortunately like the total rekall one that recently came out needed firmware updates from manufacturers to sort out ! all best intentions you just cant expect manufactuers to continually keep supporting things with updates foreever and a day. I've had a new bd player since inception of the format, with a 1st gen sony, followed with a 2nd gen pioneer, the really excellent sony 5000es, a denon 4010 followed by an oppo 95 and then the cambridge 751 most recently. probably coming up to time for an update again. lets see what the next lot of shows bring biggrin.gif

You are right, however, I don't expect such sturdy and well built machines as the Denon A1 or the Pio LX-91. But I also start questioning all this Blu-Ray stuff. In fact you don't need it. More and more people have their media on computers and stream it from there. What you need today is a media renderer - like the Oppo. LAN speeds are high enough to transport HD media - CD and DSD are no problems. WiFi reaches 600 Mbit/s or 1 Gbit/s soon and even a good 300 Mbit/s connection these days is sufficient to stream HD.

4k media is only available from computer storage on hard disks. Why develop new disc formats to cope with 4k and spent millions of dollars?

It seems to me: Who need a BD-player these days or especially in the future? For today's needs, the Oppo and the AVP seem to be an excellent combination. The Oppo as an excellent media renderer with connection to computer networks and the AVP as a high-end DAC and processor. Well, that the Oppo can also play all kind of disks is nice, as long as they exist.
post #25202 of 25956
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Originally Posted by Ganymed4 View Post


It seems to me: Who need a BD-player these days or especially in the future? For today's needs, the Oppo and the AVP seem to be an excellent combination. The Oppo as an excellent media renderer with connection to computer networks and the AVP as a high-end DAC and processor. Well, that the Oppo can also play all kind of disks is nice, as long as they exist.

Please tell me where i can buy full bitrate non-drm (or something that makes sense) 2k or 4k transfers and ill consider it. The problem is not the being able to store and play them at home but how to get the bits inside the home. Knowing the industry it will probably take more years than we want and probably needs the use of a LART**.

Daniel.

** LART : http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/LART
post #25203 of 25956
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Please tell me where i can buy full bitrate non-drm (or something that makes sense) 2k or 4k transfers and ill consider it. The problem is not the being able to store and play them at home but how to get the bits inside the home. Knowing the industry it will probably take more years than we want and probably needs the use of a LART**.

Daniel.

** LART : http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/LART

Yes Daniel, you are right. As of today, this is not legally possible, but will change IMO soon. All this copy protection and other stuff costs a lot of money and is IMO a 'fight against windmills'. However, you are right.

Just watching Total Recall on my PC and I have drop-outs and hangers on a bought, paid BD. This is not, what I expected for the money. Thank you for the LART...tongue.gif
post #25204 of 25956
I have an recently upgrade AVP and have setup Audyssey. When I go into Auto Setup-Parameter Check-Spkr Config Check, it show my front speakers set to large. Will this have an impact on subwoofer performance. If so, how do I get them set to small.

Thanks
post #25205 of 25956
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Originally Posted by btscott View Post

I have an recently upgrade AVP and have setup Audyssey. When I go into Auto Setup-Parameter Check-Spkr Config Check, it show my front speakers set to large. Will this have an impact on subwoofer performance. If so, how do I get them set to small.

Thanks

Go into menu then setup (manual speakers). Then set your speakers as small. Then move down to the crossover and pick 40hz or what ever crossover you want to try.

Brad
post #25206 of 25956
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Originally Posted by BRADH View Post

Go into menu then setup (manual speakers). Then set your speakers as small. Then move down to the crossover and pick 40hz or what ever crossover you want to try.

Brad

Thanks for the response. I did that already. Will the manual speakers setup override what I am seeing in Audyssey or do I need to run setup again for this?
post #25207 of 25956
Yes, the Manual setup settings are the current "active" settings while the Audyssey Auto Setup settings are simply a recording of what the original settings were after Audyssey was first run, so that you can restore them should you choose to do so.
post #25208 of 25956
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Yes, the Manual setup settings are the current "active" settings while the Audyssey Auto Setup settings are simply a recording of what the original settings were after Audyssey was first run, so that you can restore them should you choose to do so.

Awesome, thanks
post #25209 of 25956
Thanks everyone for your replies to my query about the player options.

I'll be getting an Oppo 103 and try that for my BR/SACD (all DVD-A's get ripped to the HTPC immediately, so I rarely spin those anymore)

If I do find a 4010 used deal on fleabay, I might pick one up just to have the last DL4 compatible player from Denon. So if any of you guys in the USA is thinking of ditching yours, please PM me.
post #25210 of 25956
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Originally Posted by JonFo View Post

Thanks everyone for your replies to my query about the player options.

I'll be getting an Oppo 103 and try that for my BR/SACD (all DVD-A's get ripped to the HTPC immediately, so I rarely spin those anymore)

If I do find a 4010 used deal on fleabay, I might pick one up just to have the last DL4 compatible player from Denon. So if any of you guys in the USA is thinking of ditching yours, please PM me.

Accessories For Less has the 4010 refurbs in stock.
post #25211 of 25956
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Accessories For Less has the 4010 refurbs in stock.

thanks Willy, that looks interesting. appreciate the link.
post #25212 of 25956
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Originally Posted by btscott View Post

Awesome, thanks

Keep in mind Audyssey doesn't set the crossover points. they just provide the info to the maker of the device (in this case denon) they decide what todo based on the results. Not all brands do the same thing so we see slight differences. You can change the settings without having to rerun audyssey but keep in mind that if audyssey claims a crossover say at 60hz that you don't lower the point only make it higher.

Last thing on a avp take your time, read the audyssey FAQ, run it multiple times and fiddle around a little it might be sold as a 'push and go' thing but spending a little more time with it gets you the best results.

Daniel.
post #25213 of 25956
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Originally Posted by PLA View Post


Episode 164 of Home Theater Geek has interesting discussion on pros and cons of room EQ systems, worth listening to.

Yea good idea, I am always up for a little learning and always on the lookout for some interesting tips. I will do the research and thankyou for that.smile.gif

post #25214 of 25956
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Originally Posted by Ganymed4 View Post


You are right, however, I don't expect such sturdy and well built machines as the Denon A1 or the Pio LX-91. But I also start questioning all this Blu-Ray stuff. In fact you don't need it. More and more people have their media on computers and stream it from there. What you need today is a media renderer - like the Oppo. LAN speeds are high enough to transport HD media - CD and DSD are no problems. WiFi reaches 600 Mbit/s or 1 Gbit/s soon and even a good 300 Mbit/s connection these days is sufficient to stream HD.

4k media is only available from computer storage on hard disks. Why develop new disc formats to cope with 4k and spent millions of dollars?

It seems to me: Who need a BD-player these days or especially in the future? For today's needs, the Oppo and the AVP seem to be an excellent combination. The Oppo as an excellent media renderer with connection to computer networks and the AVP as a high-end DAC and processor. Well, that the Oppo can also play all kind of disks is nice, as long as they exist.

I think there will be those sturdy machines getting produced as long as there are people like myself and others that are passionate about their players. Well I am getting that impression now at least. I do agree with you on the streaming fact that more people have their media on computers as I for one do a hell of a lot of streaming which started with my VSXAX10 pioneer years ago before I picked up the AVP. At one stage I was thinks of just getting rid of my cd's until I was graciously advised not to. I also watch blue rays via my computer and have had some great results using my sound card in my computer. The oppo is a great machine and is truly setting the stage for many a good thing to come.

post #25215 of 25956
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Originally Posted by alebonau View Post


yes looking inside they dont look as all out as perhaps the denon A series, but I for one am pleased to see a maker such as yamaha go the distance. i can imagine a major japanese maker doing something like this is only going to spur on the denon & marantz coorperation in inspiration to continue their tradition of high end av pieces such as the avp here. it can only be good thing smile.gif

That's right Al, Yamaha have always been renowned for their audio. Their high end speakers are a great speaker. As you probably already know I have their HX series and never had an issue and they sound amazing considering their price compared to what other manufactures are charging and even making. You add the avp and xt32 to that and we all know what we are left with. But having said that I don't think it really matters if its an amp or speakers, its Yamaha and that's what matters because  they are competing well and pushing their own boundaries and that's what keeps other companies making better products. Yamaha are a classic example of either great competition or good value for money and always have been. I still have one of their projectors, its only 1080i but I play all my ps3 games via it as for some reason less lag than a 1080p projector. So Yamaha will always have a place in my theatre.cool.gif

post #25216 of 25956
Today finally took my beloved avp to service , for the upgrade. They will give me a call when ready, supposedly by the end of the week. We"ll see. Wish me luck guys.
One thing that looked funny, the huge box , which contains the small box with the kit. I found out the huge box is there to carry avp. Good thought.
post #25217 of 25956
Wow, surprised that you could still get an upgrade. I think you must have the last one? Question relating to a few post back concerning changing the speakers from large to small. I guess I just don't understand why one would want to change a speaker that Audyssey says is large to one that is small? The subwoofer can certainly handle low end 20 hertz or there about. I have Infinity kappa 9.1s as my fronts. They have two 12 inch woofers and go down to about 30 hertz. Why not let the subwoofer pick up the difference between 30 hertz and 20 hertz. My surrounds are Infinity Kappa 8.1s also tested as large (one 12 inch woofer). If your speaker is built to provide sound reproduction across the sound spectrum why change that?
Manny
post #25218 of 25956
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

Today finally took my beloved avp to service , for the upgrade. They will give me a call when ready, supposedly by the end of the week. We"ll see. Wish me luck guys.
One thing that looked funny, the huge box , which contains the small box with the kit. I found out the huge box is there to carry avp. Good thought.

I too am surprised they still have the kits available. Denon provides the big box so the dealer can ship it back to you in a brand new box. Sounds like you carried yours in to your dealer so the box was redundant if you still have the original. I carried mine in to my dealer as well but they kept the new box - stingy sob's..smile.gif
post #25219 of 25956
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

Today finally took my beloved avp to service , for the upgrade. They will give me a call when ready, supposedly by the end of the week. We"ll see. Wish me luck guys.
One thing that looked funny, the huge box , which contains the small box with the kit. I found out the huge box is there to carry avp. Good thought.

I am happy to hear that you can still make the upgrade, whereas the AVP and the upgrade has vanished from the web-pages I checked. This is good news, no question.

I think, you will be very satisfied with the upgrade, especially if you own or know somebody with an Audyssey Pro-Kit.

I love my AVP and sometimes I stroke it. Shouldn't write that, but it's true....biggrin.gif Feels very good.
post #25220 of 25956
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Originally Posted by drmanny3 View Post

Wow, surprised that you could still get an upgrade. I think you must have the last one? Question relating to a few post back concerning changing the speakers from large to small. I guess I just don't understand why one would want to change a speaker that Audyssey says is large to one that is small? The subwoofer can certainly handle low end 20 hertz or there about. I have Infinity kappa 9.1s as my fronts. They have two 12 inch woofers and go down to about 30 hertz. Why not let the subwoofer pick up the difference between 30 hertz and 20 hertz. My surrounds are Infinity Kappa 8.1s also tested as large (one 12 inch woofer). If your speaker is built to provide sound reproduction across the sound spectrum why change that?
Manny

Note that Audyssey doesn't set the speaker settings (LARGE/SMALL, crossover, distance), rather the AVP does that based on the -3db point passed to it by Audyssey. Chris K. (Audyssey co-founder) has said many times if he had his way, the mfr's would allow Audyssey to set all speakers to SMALL by default whenever a sub is in the setup. Not quite as critical with the XT32 upgrade having the same number of sub and speaker filter resolution; however, certainly more important for MultEQ XT on a non-upgraded unit which uses 8x higher sub filter resolution vs. speaker resolution.
post #25221 of 25956
I'm sure Your not alone on the stroking of your AVP Ganymed4 biggrin.gif
I would tuck the AVP in bed next to me every night if it needed it eek.giftongue.gif
post #25222 of 25956
Kit was here , ordered since 11/2012. It was simply waiting for me and the rep"s service to have free time to install it. I had pre buy it , and paid a 300e just to be kept for me. The rest of 1000e for the kit will be payed upon delivery of the avp.
post #25223 of 25956
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post


I too am surprised they still have the kits available. Denon provides the big box so the dealer can ship it back to you in a brand new box. Sounds like you carried yours in to your dealer so the box was redundant if you still have the original. I carried mine in to my dealer as well but they kept the new box - stingy sob's..smile.gif

Same heresmile.gif There was no way I was going to ship my 30kg unit 6 hours south so I drove the 6 hours and took mine in and they did it on the same day at which I organised a month in advance. That way I get my baby back in one piece as the box was the last thing on my mindbiggrin.gif

post #25224 of 25956
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

Kit was here , ordered since 11/2012. It was simply waiting for me and the rep"s service to have free time to install it. I had pre buy it , and paid a 300e just to be kept for me. The rest of 1000e for the kit will be payed upon delivery of the avp.

Hope all goes well. I have had no problems with mine after the upgrade and everything seem to be going great. I have to admit the techs that worked on my unit really knew what they were doing.smile.gif

post #25225 of 25956
I took everyone's good advice here and got an Oppo 103. Man, what a great player!

That Oppo is a very, very well engineered box, the features are amazing, and performance on SACD is the best I've ever heard. Not even the Denon 2930 on DL3 would deliver as complete a sound. Mainly because the Oppo actually gets the .1 channel correct. I never felt the Denon player / AVP combo could get that channel right.

I was going to take in my 2930 for a laser unit update (it was skipping on SACDs at the end of a disc), but now I'm wondering if it's even worth the effort.

The UI on the new 1xx series Oppos is excellent and it's abilities as a DLNA renderer and controller are very, very good.

One general feature I just love is its ability to resume any of the last five discs you've put in it from the last point of play. It works great with concert BluRays. This feature is nice for demos, as I can cue-up a couple of scenes on three or four discs, and just pop them in in turn and they all immediately pick right up at the right spot with the right settings (audio track and all that).

Thanks again for the recommendations.
post #25226 of 25956
I have a 4010 and it's as slow as a snail. I haven't found a disc it can't play yet, but I've had some I had to load a couple times to get going. I might pick up an Oppo for convenience if I get to build another dedicated room...I know I'm gonna at some point...I just miss it too much. Since putting my gear in a general purpose room I've found my music listening sessions have diminished significantly. It's just not the same when the wife is milling about or has to crank up the TV in the adjacent room...

To get back to the XT32 discussion, I don't know that I would ever be without it or something of equal quality. You can treat a room all you want, but it's always going to have dimensions that affect bass to some degree, and IMO that's where the RC's serve their purpose best. Over the years I've come to the conclusion that getting the bass right is the key to good audio, it's the blank canvas for the rest of the spectrum to paint on. I used to be a "pure-direct" guy, and quite frankly I'd never go back.
post #25227 of 25956
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Originally Posted by JonFo View Post

One general feature I just love is its ability to resume any of the last five discs you've put in it from the last point of play. It works great with concert BluRays. This feature is nice for demos, as I can cue-up a couple of scenes on three or four discs, and just pop them in in turn and they all immediately pick right up at the right spot with the right settings (audio track and all that).
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Now that's cool! It's something I do pretty often when I have company. No one wants to watch a whole concert typically.
I was using my Popcorn Hour for ripped BD concerts to do that, but it's so buggy I've kind of given up on it.
post #25228 of 25956
^ Just keep in mind that the auto resume doesn't work for Blurays that use Java as those discs provide their own version of resume (or mostly don't). From what Oppo has said, licensing doesn't allow them to override this behavior.
post #25229 of 25956
^^^ GSR - thanks for that tidbit. Haven't run int it yet, but good to know.

rnrgange - Thanks, and totally agree that RC is a revelation once well set up. And do check out an Oppo, it's very cool. I'm kicking myself for having waited.
post #25230 of 25956
BTW- a totally awesome BluRay concert disc is the Black Symphony by Within Temptation:



With a 24/96 lossless LPCM track, this thing totally rocks and will give any system a workout, it's great demo stuff. For symphonic Prog/Metal it is quite an enjoyable show. You guys in the EU have the best bands, I'm jealous.
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