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Congratulations to your 'reborn' AVP! Looking forward to read about your impressions.

Mine is a constant source of happiness and enjoyment if I listen to well mastered Blu-Ray or music.

Enjoy!
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Originally Posted by Ganymed4 View Post

Congratulations to your 'reborn' AVP! Looking forward to read about your impressions.

Mine is a constant source of happiness and enjoyment if I listen to well mastered Blu-Ray or music.

Enjoy!

We don't know if he liked what he heard he did a Steve Jobs and just stated : Wow, Wow, Wow and left us to wonder .... smile.gif

Daniel.
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We don't know if he liked what he heard he did a Steve Jobs and just stated : Wow, Wow, Wow and left us to wonder .... smile.gif

Daniel.

Hi Daniel. It was not my intention, leave you wondering, but had some issues to take care..
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So , i figured out that clarity of sound is indeed increased, not only in the center channel,rather everywhere i"d say. Sub utilization is much better, love the way it brings subs levels about the same in the begginning.New implementation is much faster than it"s predeccesor, taking samples and calculating in less than half the time. Hight wide channels are fine but i haven"t yet tryied it out.
3D is something that i have no interest at.
Ok it took me about 2 hours to re connect the cables on the back, funny installation of the huge rack. Then configure , avp for dvd a1ud, piece of cake. Then run audyssey, all good .Then check parameters.Strange it set front speakers to small along with the rest of them, but with the application of different xover for each pair.
Also the levels that it set where different that the previous, setting fronts -8db, center the same , and sr, srb, about -5db. Ιt set subs at - different values also but clearly reduced the value of the third one to -10db, i didn"t set it right in the first time.I have to rerun audyssey offcourse.
The amount of high freqs is again high enough. Perhaps it"s due to the zzzzing bugs on the pines that where singing at the time of the measurment. I didn"t have time to rerun it but i will.
Now the whole picture of sound is a better sound , with a faster response ,livelyer , clearer , with better details and better blending of the front and rear soundstage. Souround sounds more detailed and focused.Bla bla bla. In conclusion i think it worths every penny. The new mic is funny and featherweight.I don"t like the deleted function of using any other mic by just plugging it in the aux input in the front.
Theese are my first thoughts and clues. I will see to it later on , rerun audyssey(what an unpleasant procedure) and report back.



Ps, i must do something about the high freqs level , cause they seem to be quite high. Funny because my speakers are quite clear and leveled perfectly in the medium medium high freqs.
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jo great to hear as like others whom have done the upgrade the changes are ready apparent..

if audyssey is setting all your speakers in the minus that would indicate that one of your subs level is too low in comparison and because it cant raise any further it is lowering speakers instead. need to also look at the one sub thats at -10 that shows its vol level is actually set too high and it is trying its best to reduce. I would adust the sub vol levels till all your trims are bit closer around the 0db mark smile.gif
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Thanks Al , i"ve looked that through, it"s what i thought also. But unfortunately , audyssey has it"s own way of thinking. You'll understand , when my currently uploading pics ,on photobucket become avail ,so i"ll be able to post them here.
I turned that sub down a litle bit ,along with the others, since they were all going a bit red at times and then green, but as it looks it"s going to give me a hard time to adjust properly. Ok , it"s in my hands to adjust those subs , and not let them to adjust my pressure mad.gif, .
We"ll talk again in a few mins when the upload will be completed.
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So let"s get going










This is first set of measurments
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Again this is the first set of measurments two days old.
The second set ,that was taken today follows.
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New set follows.





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Now, i"m all ears, on what you all think is going on , if any , in my room(well kinda big, salon) . Any thoughts suggestions , whatever you have to say , welcomed.

Ohh and let me remind you that the second set of measurments is varied only: by a lite mic relocation (one inch), and the subs levels being adjusted to be green on the display of new audyssey.

John.


Proud owner of upgraded avp.biggrin.gif
Edited by jomark911 - 7/19/13 at 3:39am
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After a more detailed watch -hearing of transformers dark of the moon, i jave to admit that high freqs, are not so "powerfull,or dominant" as i thought in the beggining. It sounds offcourse much better than before. I think new audy is fine.
I will play some more just to have adequate experience so i can be sure what the differences are.
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

Ohh and let me remind you that the second set of measurments is varied only: by a lite mic relocation (one inch), and the subs levels being adjusted to be green on the display of new audyssey.

John.


Proud owner of upgraded avp.biggrin.gif

This is something which is written in the Pro manual but never told to the 'consumer-version' users:

"Additional Position Measurements
Move the microphone to another listening position and press the Measure
button. Repeat the process for several positions in the main listening area of
the room. It is required to measure a minimum of three positions before
continuing. Audyssey strongly recommends measuring at least 8 positions
for average-sized rooms. Stagger the height of the microphone by a few
inches from measurement position to the next to account for the varying
heights of listeners.
" from Audyssey MultEQ Pro User Guide for Denon AVP-A1HDCI_5308CI_4308CI_3808CI, page 25.

And the general manual states:

"7. Vary the height of the microphone by a few inches between measurement positions to
account for standing waves between the floor and ceiling."

which is for me the real reason to vary the height. In my opinion this should also be done using the 'consumer version'.

Just for your information...
Edited by Ganymed4 - 7/19/13 at 5:28am
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

After a more detailed watch -hearing of transformers dark of the moon, i jave to admit that high freqs, are not so "powerfull,or dominant" as i thought in the beggining. It sounds offcourse much better than before. I think new audy is fine.
I will play some more just to have adequate experience so i can be sure what the differences are.

In my case, the movie watching experience is many times better than before the upgrade. The center channel clarity improvement by itself was worth the money paid for the upgrade. And thanks to JDSMOOTHIE and others on this thread, I now also use RLO and Dynamic Volume to great extent with movies and I can honestly say that I may not ever visit a commercial movie theater again. A recently installed projector and 106" screen top everything off in my room.

Glad to hear you too are pleased with the results.
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Can you please remind me what RLO is?

I haven"t visit a a commercial theater since 2005. My pj and 120" screen plus 7.3 audio strictly prohibits that.
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Can you please remind me what RLO is?

Reference Level Offset - see Audyssey Link Here.
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Thanks willyj.
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As allebonau pointed out, i still don"t know , which is the main factor around which the speakers levels are set. I suppose it"s -75db, so whatever attenuation i try in the various levels of front center rear subs, audyssey is going to set them by its way of thinking to be at or close to -75db.
That means if i attenuate my subs enough so audyssey sets them at odb, would it also reduce the ammount of it"s attenuation , to the fronts rears center?
Or do i have to lower the gain control in my amps to achieve this? (which sounds logical to me).
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jo sorry missed your pics you posted.

it is the subs that are key to levels set. ie the volume level seting on their amps. turn those down till audyssey in calibration sets their level at 0db smile.gif

that is the key

dont go adjusting trim levels yourself for any speakers smile.gif

I am littile confused why all your trims are minus though ! but in anycase. start with your subs. ps suggest take this to the official audyssey thread too. something chris there can help you with smile.gif
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I think the combination of sensitive speakers along with enough power to drive them. I will try your recipe though and report back.
I will try chris also. Thanks Al.



Ps , now that i think of subs level , as i said before , i trimed all 3 subs to be in the green band of audyssey display, before the actual measuring. This should be enough, i think.
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Jo, did you ignore the 75 dB level setting of the subs at the beginning of the Audyssey measurement?

You can jump over it and ignore it. Then, during the measurement, Audyssey will correct it and you get this kind of rather extreme settings. But if you are in the 'green area' now, I assume, that you have leveled the subs to 75 dB and everything will be good.

Enjoy!
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I went once. It served two purposes.
  • To reinforce why I don't go to theaters
  • To demonstrate to my wife why I can crank up the volume to near 0 at home tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by Ganymed4 View Post

Jo, did you ignore the 75 dB level setting of the subs at the beginning of the Audyssey measurement?

You can jump over it and ignore it. Then, during the measurement, Audyssey will correct it and you get this kind of rather extreme settings. But if you are in the 'green area' now, I assume, that you have leveled the subs to 75 dB and everything will be good.

Enjoy!


Correct i leveled them at about 75 dbs, but how do you jump over, just by ignore it whether it"s green or red?
Ok i haven"t tryied this out , but still , Al has a point on why all trims are so much lowered.
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Correct i leveled them at about 75 dbs, but how do you jump over, just by ignore it whether it"s green or red?
Ok i haven"t tryied this out , but still , Al has a point on why all trims are so much lowered.
As long as none of the trims are bottomed out at the maximum number, you really don't need to worry about it. The negative trims just mean you have efficient speakers and/or amps with a lot of gain. There would be no harm in adjusting the input levels on your subwoofers down a bit and running Audyssey again, but all that will do is move the trims for the subwoofers closer to 0 on the AVP - it should have absolutely no impact on the trim levels for the other speakers.
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Correct i leveled them at about 75 dbs, but how do you jump over, just by ignore it whether it"s green or red?
Ok i haven"t tryied this out , but still , Al has a point on why all trims are so much lowered.

Yes, you can just ignore it and press next. You are not 'punished' by Audyssey for not doing it cool.gif
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

As long as none of the trims are bottomed out at the maximum number, you really don't need to worry about it. The negative trims just mean you have efficient speakers and/or amps with a lot of gain. There would be no harm in adjusting the input levels on your subwoofers down a bit and running Audyssey again, but all that will do is move the trims for the subwoofers closer to 0 on the AVP - it should have absolutely no impact on the trim levels for the other speakers.

Correct , i agree. That"s what i posted a few posts back.
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Originally Posted by Ganymed4 View Post

Yes, you can just ignore it and press next. You are not 'punished' by Audyssey for not doing it cool.gif

Hehe biggrin.gif thanks .
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