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post #25411 of 25955
I have my first issue with my AVP. When I use the remote to turn on the system to watch TV, listen to digital music or computer, there is no sound and I do not get the typical "Dig" input with the channels displayed on the screen of the AVP. Everything powers on correctly as it always has. There is just no sound. If I turn it off and back on it works fine. Has anybody experienced this issue? If so, does a processor reset fix the problem? I tried the small power button and it has no impact on resolving the issue.

Thanks in advance!

KrellAV
post #25412 of 25955
Is there any way to get the Audio Return Channel (ARC) from my Vizio TV to my AVP? I have the AVP upgrade, but I do not believe that the upgrade included ARC. I would like to watch the Vudu app in 7.1 sound, and I'm stuck as to how to achieve this. I even tried running an HDMI cable from a different HDMI input on the Vizio to an HDMI input on the AVP. No luck. Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated.
post #25413 of 25955
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Originally Posted by Krellav View Post

I have my first issue with my AVP. When I use the remote to turn on the system to watch TV, listen to digital music or computer, there is no sound and I do not get the typical "Dig" input with the channels displayed on the screen of the AVP. Everything powers on correctly as it always has. There is just no sound. If I turn it off and back on it works fine. Has anybody experienced this issue? If so, does a processor reset fix the problem? I tried the small power button and it has no impact on resolving the issue.

Thanks in advance!

KrellAV

I had a similar problem. I use to have a 7 year old Panasonic plasma and after I got the AVP upgrade it would do what you describe. It turned out to be an HDMI handshake problem with the old tv. I upgraded TV's to the 80 in Vizio, and everything is now fine.
post #25414 of 25955
Hi all,

my unit is 3D upgraded, and when ever watching a 3D video it is extremely difficult to change the volume using the remote control. It only changes it after keeping the volume up/down button pressed for a long time, and only very limited amounts at a time. Is this standard behaviour with the 3D upgrade?

Also quite annoying that it won't allow you to do anything while in 3D mode really, like changing the separate channel volumes, for example. But apart from that, 3D is awesome smile.gif
post #25415 of 25955
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Originally Posted by whiter View Post

Hi all,

my unit is 3D upgraded, and when ever watching a 3D video it is extremely difficult to change the volume using the remote control. It only changes it after keeping the volume up/down button pressed for a long time, and only very limited amounts at a time. Is this standard behaviour with the 3D upgrade?

Also quite annoying that it won't allow you to do anything while in 3D mode really, like changing the separate channel volumes, for example. But apart from that, 3D is awesome smile.gif

are you running a projectoror TV for 3D that uses a IR transmitter ? if the case they do flood the room with IR. meaning you need to either hold the remote close to you shield it from IR or hold it close to the AVP so it gets the remotes IR rather than flooded by the 3D IR tranmitters that tends to jam its signal.

an alternative is a TV that uses the more later RF that doesnt jam the IR signal to control the avp. or move to an RF universal remote and IR senders going direct to the avp un interuppted smile.gif
post #25416 of 25955
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Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

are you running a projectoror TV for 3D that uses a IR transmitter ? if the case they do flood the room with IR. meaning you need to either hold the remote close to you shield it from IR or hold it close to the AVP so it gets the remotes IR rather than flooded by the 3D IR tranmitters that tends to jam its signal.

an alternative is a TV that uses the more later RF that doesnt jam the IR signal to control the avp. or move to an RF universal remote and IR senders going direct to the avp un interuppted smile.gif

Good one. Hadn't thought about that at all. I'm using a Panasonic PT-AE8000 projector that uses IR indeed. Time for some experimenting! I'm not too fond of universal remotes yet, since I haven't found any that appeal to me. Maybe I should put some more effort in searching...
post #25417 of 25955
HDMI 2.0 officially announced!
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/04/hdmi-2-0-official-4k-60fps-32-channel-audio/

another upgrade for the avp?
post #25418 of 25955
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Originally Posted by djdmt View Post

HDMI 2.0 officially announced!
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/04/hdmi-2-0-official-4k-60fps-32-channel-audio/

another upgrade for the avp?

I sincerely hope so. I will switch out my AVP to get HDMI 2.0 but I'd be fine with tossing another $1000 at Denon if they made an HDMI 2.0 update.
post #25419 of 25955
I suspect that another upgrade to support HDMI 2.0 (or any other hardware update) is extremely unlikely. Our best hope is that Denon (or Marantz) eventually release an all new processor at the AVP's level.
post #25420 of 25955
Doubt be another upgrade board. But keep in mind every 10 years there has been a new avp, so hdmi 2.0 gives denon and hopefully marantz a good basis to develop the next flagship smile.gif and should be an easy task. The basis of the current avp is a solid one, the probably need tomdropmsome legacy stuff like composite and like to increase support to some more audio channels, but otherwise new dac section, new video section and there have it smile.gif

Like the current avp we should start to hear rumours and even see perhaps a mule/prototype in the next year or so. But don't forget the avp has never been a model that brings new tech, the lower models will do that first so by the time it's brought out on the avp is tried tested and the avp is bug free and just works ... As this one has smile.gif

To strengthen the d&m name I do hope there is a partnering marantz flagship as well and a return to the glory days they've had too smile.gif
post #25421 of 25955
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Originally Posted by djdmt View Post

HDMI 2.0 officially announced!
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/04/hdmi-2-0-official-4k-60fps-32-channel-audio/

another upgrade for the avp?

This all will take some time in my opinion. There is no physical media for 4k. 60fps for 4k is said to be only necessary for sports. For movies 24fps is sufficient. Dolby ATMOS or any other comparable sound coding scheme is not available for the consumer market. And also sources with 4k and anything more than DTS Neo:x 11.1 is not available right now. Well except the hard-disk player from Sony and some 60 more movies for download from Sony in the future.

For the time being, I will sit. watch and enjoy my AVP smile.gif
post #25422 of 25955
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Originally Posted by Ganymed4 View Post


For the time being, I will sit. watch and enjoy my AVP smile.gif

I will enjoy my current AVP but put it on craigslist the second a new AVP is announced (if it they make a new one). The AVP IMHO is by far the best compared to competitors product Denon sells. There are new higher res games coming out now that I'd like to play through my AVP. I don't use it for this but two of my clients are doctors and want higher res diagnostics sent through their AVP as they often work and consult from home. I don't expect a new AVP this year but if they don't release an hdmi 2.0 module for the current AVP, I sincerely hope they make a new AVP as it has been the best item I've purchased from Denon in the last two decades.
post #25423 of 25955
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

I will enjoy my current AVP but put it on craigslist the second a new AVP is announced (if it they make a new one). The AVP IMHO is by far the best compared to competitors product Denon sells. There are new higher res games coming out now that I'd like to play through my AVP. I don't use it for this but two of my clients are doctors and want higher res diagnostics sent through their AVP as they often work and consult from home. I don't expect a new AVP this year but if they don't release an hdmi 2.0 module for the current AVP, I sincerely hope they make a new AVP as it has been the best item I've purchased from Denon in the last two decades.

That's interesting and I also was once confronted with this request from MDs - high-speed transmission of radiology pictures to computer workstations. Long time ago in pre-Internet time around '94.

However, I strongly doubt that Denon will make a successor of the AVP. I mean, there is still hope, however, D&M has to change their current company philosophy, that M is doing the high-end stuff and D the mass market. I am also very, very disappointed with the lack of high-end BD players from D. I owned the 3910, 3930, 2500, 3800 and would have also bought an A1-UD but decided against it at the end and for the Oppo - missed the network functionality.

May be, we should write directly to Denon, asking for a successor of the AVP? I once wrote to Yamaha about separates - more than one year ago. They assured me, that they have no plans to do separates and look what they present now. May be it helps?

PS: I don't think it was me, who let them make separates and I think, Yamaha can do better than the 5000 series. I know this is not the Yamaha thread. I apologize in advance... biggrin.gif But if I understood Daniel correctly, who has - it seems - more insight than anybody else here into Denon internals, it takes great efforts in a company to produce something like an AVP. Just my thoughts.
post #25424 of 25955
everything will be in holding pattern for 4K and hdmi v2.0 the boffins will be off developing. and then ti will come. the consumer OEMs like sony and panasonic already have product announced with 4K hdmi v2. more specialist oems like denon marantz etc usually a lot slower to bring to market place. but will come. as far as disc players go dont expect any new hight end stuff till the new 4K blu-ray format is settled. no point really any maker developing a high end blu-ray player to current spec this late in the piece if to be outdated the minute 4K blu-ray spec is announced.

just sit back enjoy what we have. and see what comes forth...it will...just matter of time smile.gif
post #25425 of 25955
+1 smile.gif
post #25426 of 25955
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Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

just sit back enjoy what we have. and see what comes forth...it will...just matter of time smile.gif

Bahhh - I don't have the patience to have patience.
post #25427 of 25955
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

Bahhh - I don't have the patience to have patience.

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In keeping with your MD theme though, it could be "....Patients to be Patient" too.wink.gif
post #25428 of 25955
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Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

everything will be in holding pattern for 4K and hdmi v2.0 the boffins will be off developing. and then ti will come. the consumer OEMs like sony and panasonic already have product announced with 4K hdmi v2. more specialist oems like denon marantz etc usually a lot slower to bring to market place. but will come. as far as disc players go dont expect any new hight end stuff till the new 4K blu-ray format is settled. no point really any maker developing a high end blu-ray player to current spec this late in the piece if to be outdated the minute 4K blu-ray spec is announced.

just sit back enjoy what we have. and see what comes forth...it will...just matter of time smile.gif

Slow down, world....I don't even have my AVP 3D/XXT32 upgrade back from the shop yet to enjoy!
post #25429 of 25955
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Originally Posted by DoctorO View Post

Slow down, world....I don't even have my AVP 3D/XXT32 upgrade back from the shop yet to enjoy!

Are you kidding!?! It is suddenly becoming like the HT Renaissance after years of HT dark ages. Earlier this week, we got HDMI 2.0 and now we have one of the first TVs (concept) for release next year that would make you truly crave HDMI 2.0. If LG has a larger than 65" 4K "affordable" OLED TV planned soon you can be sure Samsung and others will have one planned - http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/06/lg-77-inch-curved-uhd-oled/ If the price is right and this is released next year, I believe that BIG 4K OLED TV will be in my home in about 2 years! My guess is that in 2 years we'll have ~80" 4K OLED TV's under $9000. That's where acceptable price, acceptable resolution, acceptable input and acceptable size lines all intersect for me.
post #25430 of 25955
hehe the oems will be loving it rubbing their hands in glee biggrin.gif

oh yeah heres our chance to get people to turn all their gear over again. player, processor/avr and display/projector. just like we got them to do going from dvd to blu-ray and then with 3D and 4K. oh the last one with 4K was a treat, just got them to update and guess what we get them to update again with this beauty of a thing called hdmi 2.0 :lol:

I can remember how after a decade of a fairly steady system with dvd it got a complete overhaul with hddvd/blu-ray. player after player, went through a few AVRs till settled on the avp. and then updated both displays and projectors ...am on my 3rd projector in just as many years :lol: dont ask me how many players have bought basically one a year been turned over biggrin.gif

can see 4K coming along ... rolleyes.gif
post #25431 of 25955
4k is a lot better than 3D to force an upgrade for anyone trying to view on a 55" set or larger at close distances. But the other emerging tech, curved screens, are another 3D in my opinion.
post #25432 of 25955
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Originally Posted by Aesculus View Post

4k is a lot better than 3D to force an upgrade for anyone trying to view on a 55" set or larger at close distances. But the other emerging tech, curved screens, are another 3D in my opinion.

I don't get the curved screen thing for TVs. I could see it as very useful with a sharper angle for very wide PC monitors.

I'm all about BIG screens and 4K.

I would not bother buying a pair of 3D glasses as I just don't appreciate 3D. Avatar was pretty well done but about 95% of the 3D movies I've seen, the opening credits are the only noticeable 3D effect.
post #25433 of 25955
I was also thinking about the new HDMI 2.0 and 4k etc.

Well, my thoughts are: What is the difference between HDMI 1.4 and 2.0? It is the higher bandwidth of 8 Gbit/s - 10 Gbit/s HDMI 1.4 vs. 18 Gbit/s for 2.0. This is necessary to transmit 4k 60 fps pictures.
What do I have from this? Full HD 3D pictures on a very large screen and 4k 2d with 60 fps and up to 31 channels of sound. Some of these new features have no practical use today, for various reasons - no source material, no players, no content etc.

Is this worth an upgrade of all your equipment you have? The answer is up to you.

My answer is no. Me and many others here, spent thousands of dollars for the upgrade from DVD to HD. Now again, for another 'green banana' product, the industry want us to believe that this is a must have? Nope, I am not following this trail. At least, not yet.

I am happy that HD has reached some kind of maturity. I was very disappointed with bad HD and 7.1 content, which has changed in the last two, three years dramatically. 7.1 sound is coming more and more and is also used for a new sound scape and not only for some ambient noise.
On the other hand, not everything needs to be developed again. HD has reached a good level, to serve as a platform for 4k to evolve from this level. However, it is not one technology - e.g. HDMI 2.0 - which makes the difference, it is a whole Eco-system, made out of several technologies and content and the understanding of the makers, how to cope with the new technologies and make the best of it.
Only when all the factors come together - IMO, the customer will be pleased and get the best experience of the new technology.

My decision is to wait and I have learned something form the 'HDMI disaster' or the 'format wars'. And anyway, if there is a screen with HDMI 2.0, where is the rest of the chain?
Edited by Ganymed4 - 9/7/13 at 7:08am
post #25434 of 25955
definitely makes sense to wait it out by the sidelines. can put self on the bleeding edge sure if want. it can be costly and painfull as end up the guinea as inevitably become for the oems to debug and beta/field test the gear for them.

thats where the likes of the next avp is worth waiting for. denon typically use their lower models as mules to test out new tech and it only comes on the upper model once tried, tested and mature in tech to go the distance smile.gif

myself while I can trully se we will never fully do justice and resolve 4K in the home...well its impossible you need an imax scale setup. and need screens taller than domestic ceilings where seated at your typical distances we do in homely setups..but I do think there will be benefits and probably worth going for still..even though we might not fully realise the improvements possible. and why likes of me probably dip our toe in at some stage..but yeah not on the bleeding edge ! not for me with something like this smile.gif
post #25435 of 25955
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Originally Posted by Ganymed4 View Post

I was also thinking about the new HDMI 2.0 and 4k etc.

My decision is to wait and I have learned something form the 'HDMI disaster' or the 'format wars'. And anyway, if there is a screen with HDMI 2.0, where is the rest of the chain?

Sony already has a lot of movies in 4K for streaming.
Many new video games are set for 4K
Many doctors I support have 4K res diagnostics
My computer can do higher res
I'm willing to bet that the next Oppo will have HDMI 2.0
TVs are already in the works with HDMI 2.0 and some previous models can actually be upgraded ( I can't remember which one but 1 of them can)

Are you hoping that on Monday 9/9 Sony, WB, MGM etc all announce every movie will be released by the end of the week in 4k, Samsung and Panasonic say every new set will be 4K and have HDMI 2.0 and they'll have them at your local Costco by the end of the week, Oppo says they are releasing the 113 with hdmi 2.0 this week? Ridiculous I know and I get your point it will take a while for this to be the standard. So I can understand your reluctance however while I'm not usually bleeding edge, as soon as something is stable and the price is reasonable, I'm all on board. Most people didn't even have TVs that could take advantage of DVDs full resolution when they were released there was very little selection. I remember having a DVD player when there were only about 100 DVDs to choose from even though they'd been out about a year and they only released a few new ones every week or two. I don't regret being an early adopter in the least as it was worth it. I could worry that oh no, I bought all those DVDs and then I had to upgrade them to something better or could appreciate what they gave me during the time I had them. I could worry that I felt a need to replace my Ford Escort too but it got me from point a to point b when I needed it. When HDMI came out it was unlikely you'd have a receiver, tv and player all with hdmi. It is unlikely it will all be released at the same time but since the AVP is the core of my system, I'm looking forward to a prepro with HDMi 2.0.

I'm certainly not saying everyone HAS to jump to hdmi 2.0 but for me it will release the potential I've been looking forward to for the last 5 years since the first time I saw a 4K TV.
Edited by boe - 9/7/13 at 7:38am
post #25436 of 25955
Boe

I really appreciate that you are explaining your point of view and also showing understanding for mine. I agree with your point of view that the next Oppo will have HDMI 2.0 - but in fact what will it be good for IF there is not a new Blu-Ray format?
But may be, the next Oppo has HDMI 2.0 and plays 4k media from a server? I mean, as you already described, Sony did already issue most of the Eco-system. One thing - I think - you are wrong: There is a lot of 4k material at the film studios. Think about that every film according DCI specs, is already 4k. A bit larger than consumer 4k but it is there. The digital projection size in public theaters is 4k currently.
The point is only, that they won't give it to us. I mean this is also more a political question, rather than a product question. I would say interests of movie theaters, film studios and AV industry.

Just think of Lowry and their 4k scans of all the bond movies. The next 60th anniversary 007 box with all movies in 4k is on its way...

However, what we are still missing is the media - Internet, new BD format? The new codec MPEG 5 or H.265 is ready and reduces the data amount by around 50%.

What the AVP then would need is a new digital board. However, I don't know the circuit design of the AVP to say something about this and if this would be only the digital board, which has to be designed nearly from scratch to incorporate H.265, new processors and also HDMI 2.0 hardware - the step from 10 to 18 Gbit/s can't be done in software IMO.

I strongly doubt, that we will see that. It is more likely, that we will see a new Marantz 9901 in one to two years. Biggest unanswered question IMO will be the content and how it will be transported to the customer. But this is something, we will hear of in the next months, I guess.

But until then, nobody stops you to buy a 4k TV and prices are already cut by 50% - I read - during IFA in Berlin. US$ 4000 for a 55" and HiSense for 2000. Please correct me somebody, if I am wrong.
post #25437 of 25955
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/homecinema/sony-panasonic-plan-300gb-son-of-blu-ray-for-4k-future-50011844/

300Gb 4K blu-ray not till 2015 from sony and pana according to that article. so plenty of time...no rush... smile.gif
post #25438 of 25955
Ganymed4,

As you say streaming from the next Oppo is my main concern. I currently have 10TB of TV shows on my media server. Hopefully it will have a top notch 4k upscaler (not on the current model) I can stream some ISOs using mezzmo although it still isn't perfect. When mezzmo is perfect, I'll buy more storage and convert all my BR and DVDs to the server as well. I can already download 1080p TV shows so I'm hoping 4K will be coming as more 4K TVs hit the market. While I understand this is a prototype, http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/06/lg-77-inch-curved-uhd-oled/ The current OLED 55" TVs now on sale were prototypes at CES earlier this year. I'm waiting for the over 70" 4K TVs before I get rid of my very old but still one of the best picture TVs ever made.

I think you must be thinking of someone else about me being wrong about the studios having 4K movies. I never said they did or didn't (other than Sony) just that not all of them are releasing it any time soon. I'm wondering if they'll go through the same debate they went through with DVD then BR about the picture being too perfect.
post #25439 of 25955
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

Ganymed4,

I think you must be thinking of someone else about me being wrong about the studios having 4K movies. I never said they did or didn't (other than Sony) just that not all of them are releasing it any time soon. I'm wondering if they'll go through the same debate they went through with DVD then BR about the picture being too perfect.

Sorry, that I misunderstood you there. I also agree to your last sentence. I am asking me this too.

The biggest problem with all this stuff are the studios and their paranoid - sorry to say that - thinking about their rights management. I would be happy to pay a reasonable amount each month to the studios, to get access to the latest movies via streaming and pay an extra for 4k. Just an example. I mean, what are these guys afraid of?
Instead they put pressure on Oppo to delete the 'image' functionality from their firmware.

I mean, this is poor, in my understanding. And HDMI 2.0 goes with HDCP 2.2, it seems. Nobody seems to know something clearly. The new 4k TVs support may be HDMI 2.0 but not HDCP 2.2. Which will also be cracked one day, just a question of time.

However, if you want to buy one of these 85" TVs, I would be very careful checking that they are future proof. For a future, nobody knows exactly what it will bring. cool.gif
post #25440 of 25955
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Originally Posted by Ganymed4 View Post

Sorry, that I misunderstood you there. I also agree to your last sentence. I am asking me this too.

The biggest problem with all this stuff are the studios and their paranoid - sorry to say that - thinking about their rights management. I would be happy to pay a reasonable amount each month to the studios, to get access to the latest movies via streaming and pay an extra for 4k. Just an example. I mean, what are these guys afraid of?
Instead they put pressure on Oppo to delete the 'image' functionality from their firmware.

I mean, this is poor, in my understanding. And HDMI 2.0 goes with HDCP 2.2, it seems. Nobody seems to know something clearly. The new 4k TVs support may be HDMI 2.0 but not HDCP 2.2. Which will also be cracked one day, just a question of time.

However, if you want to buy one of these 85" TVs, I would be very careful checking that they are future proof. For a future, nobody knows exactly what it will bring. cool.gif
There are too many open questions and potential issues for me to consider upgrading to a 4K display at this time. For example, I have to wonder how much the quality of the scaling to 4K is going to improve over the next few years. You mentioned the possible HDCP version differences. HDMI 2.0 is brand new. There's very little 4K source material available to the average consumer at this point. And the cost for the big displays is just too high given all the questions. I think I'll just wait it out for at least a few years as I'm very happy with what I've got right now.
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