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post #25651 of 25965
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Originally Posted by cinema mad View Post

Hi fperra
Just wondering if you ever got your AVP Repaired, If so what did the popping issue turn out to be ?..
Did you end up Preferring the Marantz AV8801 over the AVP or Vice versa..

Cheers

This problem was a real ball buster. I went through every piece of equipment in my system to find this problem and in the end I thought I had narrowed it down to the Denon Preamp. Unfortunately, when I installed the Marantz the problem persisted. So I took the Marantz out and put the Denon back in and scratched my head wondering where to go from there. Well, it turned out that one of the high voltage power supply's in my electrostatic speakers had a very high frequency oscillation that was somehow coupling to the preamp. I built a new power supply and the problem disappeared. So I never really got to listen to the Marantz. I was able to sell it right away though.
post #25652 of 25965
You must of been very relieved that it wasn't your AVP fperra & knowing you where able to rectify the power supply issue yourself smile.gif..

Not really surprised to hear your 8801 selling quick especially when you factor in the Marantz 8801 being in high demand around the world & the recent reports of being out of stock @ times.. I get the impression you much preferred to stay with your AVP in comparison:)


Cheers..
post #25653 of 25965
Hi

I could use some help please

I decided to do the upgrade to audyssey xt32 and now have my unit back from Denon

I have 2 issues when running the new version..

1- I have 3 subs - when I start the auto EQ it does a level check of just one sub (the FL one) - I set the level to 75 DB and carry on - It never does a volume check of the other 2 subs which I would expect it should of in case they are too high in volume

when Audyssey is finished it says I have just one sub although the output bars display 7.3 on the right side

2- after I run the EQ, but before I do the STORE function, you can see what the speaker distances and levels are - I need to adjust some of the values but I dont see how I can do this here - so I carry on and eventually store the results..

I can toggle thru the various Audyssey choices - from Xt32 to OFF

I then, using the manual mode, change some of the settings (3 subs/distances based on actual measurements and volume levels using a SPL meter)

After I make these changes I lose Audyssey completely because when I toggle between the various choices it says "Run Audyssey"


What am I doing wrong??

TIA
post #25654 of 25965
should see 3 subs. have you checked your sub configuration. what is it L&R and LFE or 3 x LFE ? how have you told it what subs you have ? I have run 2 subs on mine and it sees both smile.gif
post #25655 of 25965
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Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

should see 3 subs. have you checked your sub configuration. what is it L&R and LFE or 3 x LFE ? how have you told it what subs you have ? I have run 2 subs on mine and it sees both smile.gif

I did tell it I have 3 subs (L&R and LFE)

when Auto is run it sees only the L one - when I manually check volume levels it does send a tone to all 3 and I can adjust the volume of all 3
post #25656 of 25965
I made a thread on this and was told that one of the owners of this processor with XT32 installed also owns a Marantz AV8801. I was wondering how the sound quality of the two compared?
post #25657 of 25965
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Originally Posted by MC Maniac View Post

I did tell it I have 3 subs (L&R and LFE)

when Auto is run it sees only the L one - when I manually check volume levels it does send a tone to all 3 and I can adjust the volume of all 3

Mc been a while since I ran 2 subs through the avp, so will differ to one of others running multiple subs to answer.smile.gif
post #25658 of 25965
MC Maniac

With AVP-3D I Run 4 subs using Audyssey XT32.. 2 Front subs placed Equidistant run as one/ Rear subs Equidistant run as one..
AVP is Configured using 2 SP Mix & Mode is LFE-THX.. (See Page 25 of AVP Upgrade Manual)

In the Denon GUI when running Audyssey it brings up A menu for Subwoofers to allow both my front subs "Summed" for 75dB calibration & Rear Summed Subs separately & Later in the process pings front/rear subs separately through the whole Speaker calibration process ..

Your Issue is just a Configuration issue..

Hope this Helps..
post #25659 of 25965

New subject.  Hope this is the right place to post.

 

I am new to this thread and owner an AVP-A1 so I hope this is in the right section of the forum.  I have the AVP set up for both home theater and two channel hifi with digital or analog sources.  I wonder if anyone has compared the audio quality of the AVP phono section to other high end systems that use dedicated phono preamps.  I am currently running a VPI turntable and arm with a Dynavector 20X2H which is a moving coil cartridge and it sounds excellent, much better in fact, than running lossless digital through the AVP DAC which is also very good.  Soon I will compare the AVP to my Audio Research Reference 3 with the same turntable for comparison.  In the meantime, I would like to hear from others who have examined the same issue.  I am trying to determine whether I can use the AVP for audiophile quality playback as well as a surround sound processor for movies, or will I have to go to a completely separate preamp for two channel listening which is a slightly higher priority for me.  Thanks in advance for your feedback.

post #25660 of 25965
Welcome to the forum. I use the AVP in the same way but whilst I do use its line stages I have always adopted a separate phonostage for vinyl. I have not heard an Audio Research amp but I suspect it will outperform the AVP on vinyl. A more significant issue is whether the AR will sound better than the AVP with Audyssey processing. For me room processing is a very significant advance over the previous 'flat' frequency response approach that used to be the gold standard. All sources gain from a response tailored to the room. The other issue to think about is whether you want your carefully retrieved analogue music to be digitised before it reaches your speakers, because that is what the AVP will do unless you bypass goodies like Audyssey.

I too will be interested in responses to your useful post.
post #25661 of 25965
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Originally Posted by begoe111 View Post

New subject.  Hope this is the right place to post.

I am new to this thread and owner an AVP-A1 so I hope this is in the right section of the forum.  I have the AVP set up for both home theater and two channel hifi with digital or analog sources.  I wonder if anyone has compared the audio quality of the AVP phono section to other high end systems that use dedicated phono preamps.  I am currently running a VPI turntable and arm with a Dynavector 20X2H which is a moving coil cartridge and it sounds excellent, much better in fact, than running lossless digital through the AVP DAC which is also very good.  Soon I will compare the AVP to my Audio Research Reference 3 with the same turntable for comparison.  In the meantime, I would like to hear from others who have examined the same issue.  I am trying to determine whether I can use the AVP for audiophile quality playback as well as a surround sound processor for movies, or will I have to go to a completely separate preamp for two channel listening which is a slightly higher priority for me.  Thanks in advance for your feedback.

welcome, I run separate 2ch gear but integrated all in the one system. separate source, players, pre, pwr etc. with a ht bypass all work a treat whether doing 2ch or ht. I run an arc ph5 tube phono pre myself with my rega p9 lovely match. can check link in my sig for pics details.
post #25662 of 25965
One more factor to consider is that the AVP's phono stage is designed to work with relatively high output MM cartridges. If the MC cartridge being used is a low output model, it probably won't work well with the AVP's phono stage. But I've had excellent results playing my LP's through the AVP both with and without Audyssey enabled.
post #25663 of 25965
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Originally Posted by MC Maniac View Post

Hi

I could use some help please

I decided to do the upgrade to audyssey xt32 and now have my unit back from Denon

I have 2 issues when running the new version..

1- I have 3 subs - when I start the auto EQ it does a level check of just one sub (the FL one) - I set the level to 75 DB and carry on - It never does a volume check of the other 2 subs which I would expect it should of in case they are too high in volume

when Audyssey is finished it says I have just one sub although the output bars display 7.3 on the right side

2- after I run the EQ, but before I do the STORE function, you can see what the speaker distances and levels are - I need to adjust some of the values but I dont see how I can do this here - so I carry on and eventually store the results..

I can toggle thru the various Audyssey choices - from Xt32 to OFF

I then, using the manual mode, change some of the settings (3 subs/distances based on actual measurements and volume levels using a SPL meter)

After I make these changes I lose Audyssey completely because when I toggle between the various choices it says "Run Audyssey"


What am I doing wrong??

TIA

Rearrange the set up and set subs as 3 subs lfe. That should do the trick.
post #25664 of 25965
Thanks Cinema Mad and Jomark

I finally figured out what I was doing wrong..

Worked like a charm

smile.gif
post #25665 of 25965
^^
Also note that the sub "distances" are going to generally be longer than the actual distance as it accounts for the delay caused by the sub filters, therefore these settings should be left as is and not adjusted.
post #25666 of 25965
So I just hooked up my new projector and I'm assuming I'm having some major HDMI handshaking issues. When I have the input on my AVP on my ps4 or my xbox 1 it works. When I then switch to my ps3 the screen goes all pink or Magenta and then black and nothing displays. If I reboot the ps3 the image will display to the point of showing the ps3 home screen. If I then attempt to play a disc be it dvd or blu ray (tried various ones of each) the pink or Magenta screen flashes again and then nothing but black screen. Of my 3 input players (ps4, Xbox 1 and ps3) the ps3 is the only one which doesn't work and is a older HDMI format I believe. Does this sound like a HDMI hand shake issue?
post #25667 of 25965
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Originally Posted by sk576c View Post

So I just hooked up my new projector and I'm assuming I'm having some major HDMI handshaking issues. When I have the input on my AVP on my ps4 or my xbox 1 it works. When I then switch to my ps3 the screen goes all pink or Magenta and then black and nothing displays. If I reboot the ps3 the image will display to the point of showing the ps3 home screen. If I then attempt to play a disc be it dvd or blu ray (tried various ones of each) the pink or Magenta screen flashes again and then nothing but black screen. Of my 3 input players (ps4, Xbox 1 and ps3) the ps3 is the only one which doesn't work and is a older HDMI format I believe. Does this sound like a HDMI hand shake issue?

possibly more related to output setting on the ps3. check the settings on the ps3 menu. also check specifically if any difference on particular input on the avp. auto modes on the ps3, afp and display are usually best bet smile.gif
post #25668 of 25965
Looking at the HDMI/Color Settings of the PS3, PS4, AVP and JVC RS57 they each have the following available settings

AVP
Color Space: 1) RGB or 2) YCbCr
RGB Range: 1) Normal or 2) Enhanced

PS3
BD/DVD - Video Output Format (HDMI): 1) Automatic or 2) RGB or 3) Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr

PS4
RGB Range: 1) Automatic or 2) Limited or 3) Full
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Range: 1) Automatic or 2) Limited or 3) Full

JVC RS57 Projector
Color Space: 1) Auto or 2) YCbCr(4:4:4) or 3) YCbCr(4:2:2) or 4) RGB

It seems I can not watch any blu rays with either my PS3 or my PS4. I can play a game through the PS4 but not a blu ray. As soon as I select the blu ray to play the video cuts out. The sound is there, but the video is not.

Tried the PS3 with RGB and the AVP set to the RGB and the JVC set to RGB, did not work.

Tried the PS3 with Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr and AVP set to YCbCr and JVC set to either YCbCr(4:4:4) or YCbCr(4:2:2), did not work.

Any suggestions??
Edited by sk576c - 12/26/13 at 10:42pm
post #25669 of 25965
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Originally Posted by sk576c View Post

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Any suggestions??

I suggested "auto" setting on all, ps3/4, afp and jvc. have you tried that ?
post #25670 of 25965
I did attempt the auto settings on the ps3/ps4 and Jvc but the AVP only seems to have RGB or YCbCr. So where is the auto setting on the AVP?
Edited by sk576c - 12/26/13 at 10:55pm
post #25671 of 25965
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Originally Posted by sk576c View Post

I did attempt the auto settings on the ps3/ps4 and Jvc but the AVP only seems to have RGB or YCbCr. So where is the auto setting on the AVP?

I was thinking of under the source in the avp i.e. say DVD, then theres -> input mode then -> Auto
make sure video convert is off

under Manual setup -> HDMI setup I am using
Color space YCbCr
RGB Range Normal

other thing you can do is go into the HDMI information and get the "signal info" will tell you whats going in and out.

I run a mvc myself but the ps3 has long gone.

colour space setting in the ps3 is probably the main issue. if the avp and mvc setting are in auto will need to probably delve a bit deeper re the ps3/4 smile.gif
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So i went into the individual inputs on the AVP and each had the video convert to on so i turned them to off on each. And then I tried avp set to color space YCbCr which didn't do the trick. Set it to RGB, didn't do the trick. I then bypassed the avp entirely from my ps4 to the Jvc projector and still had the same issue. The home screen display of the ps3/ps4 displays but as soon as I hit play blu ray e image flashes magenta and then goes black. I'm starting to think a) my HDMI cable (it's a 1.3b version) is the problem or b) the Jvc is the problem. But I've had some issues with Jvc projectors in the past (not the most recent one I have) and the likely hood of another issue with the Jvc is rather remote I'd think.
post #25673 of 25965
Ok try to use another type of display , apart from jvc, to see if the problem continues. I guess it won't. Try with a tv, if you can't find a pj.
The cable must not be a problem , cause if it was the problem , it would do it from the start.
post #25674 of 25965
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Originally Posted by sk576c View Post

So i went into the individual inputs on the AVP and each had the video convert to on so i turned them to off on each. And then I tried avp set to color space YCbCr which didn't do the trick. Set it to RGB, didn't do the trick. I then bypassed the avp entirely from my ps4 to the Jvc projector and still had the same issue. The home screen display of the ps3/ps4 displays but as soon as I hit play blu ray e image flashes magenta and then goes black. I'm starting to think a) my HDMI cable (it's a 1.3b version) is the problem or b) the Jvc is the problem. But I've had some issues with Jvc projectors in the past (not the most recent one I have) and the likely hood of another issue with the Jvc is rather remote I'd think.

ok that tells me the avp isn't the issue since bypassed it and saw the same. re hdmi they don't have versions anymore, just high speed ones, if yours is and old one not capable of high speed then possibly thats an issue. I doubt the issue is the jvc, am using one and as are many though possible you have some setting selected in it causing the issue. though given all other sources bar the ps3/4 play nice I would put blame at ps3/4 feet. I would do some research on the video settings on the ps3/4 to suit the mvc, perhaps as in the mvc/ps3/4 threads.
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Is there a way to force the avp to output only a specific resolution ie 1080p on everything, even of that means up scaling?
post #25676 of 25965
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Originally Posted by sk576c View Post

Is there a way to force the avp to output only a specific resolution ie 1080p on everything, even of that means up scaling?

As far as I know: Yes. You can set this in the source settings under video, resolution. This is on page 47 on my manual in German. May be another page in the English manual but around this page.

You can set the parameter for Auto, 480p/576p, 1080i, 1080p 24 Hz, 1080i, 1080p, 720p. So, it is more an input function rather than an output function. You have to do this for each source individually. There you can also set the I/P scaler and picture improvement function. Set video conversion to on and then turn on the I/P scaler function to A to H and H to H. Then the REALTA T 2 will do its marvels.

I have it on Auto and my projector set to 'Pixel to Pixel' which means no scaling in the display but taking the original input signal from the AVP. The display is recognized as 'all formats display' and it recognizes all kind of sources. However, with setting the I/P scaler function in the AVP you send all signals in 1080p because the AVP up-converts all formats. This works via HDMI EDID tables. The format tables, telling the source what kind of format is supported by the display - player to AVP to display.
To make a long story short...

Hope it helps.
Edited by Ganymed4 - 12/28/13 at 3:58pm
post #25677 of 25965
I see the new JVC projectors may Have HDMI issues, from what I can gather when the resolution changes the JVC's aren't RE Syncing.

This may be your issue, so yes as A short term workaround if you can force A VP to only output say 24p or 60P into the JVC it should resolve the issue until JVC release A Fix.
post #25678 of 25965
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Originally Posted by Ganymed4 View Post

As far as I know: Yes. You can set this in the source settings under video, resolution. This is on page 47 on my manual in German. May be another page in the English manual but around this page.

You can set the parameter for Auto, 480p/576p, 1080i, 1080p 24 Hz, 1080i, 1080p, 720p. So, it is more an input function rather than an output function. You have to do this for each source individually. There you can also set the I/P scaler and picture improvement function. Set video conversion to on and then turn on the I/P scaler function to A to H and H to H. Then the REALTA T 2 will do its marvels.

I have it on Auto and my projector set to 'Pixel to Pixel' which means no scaling in the display but taking the original input signal from the AVP. The display is recognized as 'all formats display' and it recognizes all kind of sources. However, with setting the I/P scaler function in the AVP you send all signals in 1080p because the AVP up-converts all formats. This works via HDMI EDID tables. The format tables, telling the source what kind of format is supported by the display - player to AVP to display.
To make a long story short...

Hope it helps.

There's no need to have the realta all the time on and interfering with the video signal.
It doesn't do any good. If you are sending 1080p24 signal from your blue ray player , it's useless to pass it through the realta for processing.Instead try to feed the video signal direct to your pj. It will be quite better.
post #25679 of 25965
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

There's no need to have the realta all the time on and interfering with the video signal.
It doesn't do any good. If you are sending 1080p24 signal from your blue ray player , it's useless to pass it through the realta for processing.Instead try to feed the video signal direct to your pj. It will be quite better.

Well, I have experienced a PQ improvement since I use the AVP, even without turning on the REALTA. I agree, that you don't need to have the REALTA turned on. However, it should bypass itself or 'do nothing' if the signal - which may be the case with 'full HD' 1080p signals - is outside its range.
I would recommend to try all possible combinations/settings and see for yourself what you like best. For me the best picture is achieved by using the AVP in the signal path. But this may be different for individual combinations/chains.
I use the Denon 3800 BD also with REALTA T2 on, or an Oppo 103. Both are par from the PQ and the SQ point of view. This shows to me how good the Oppo for a quarter of the original price of the Denon player is. I do not use the REALTA in the AVP - agreed jomark - and then I use a pixel-by-pixel setting for my SIM2 D80E projector. I am very happy with this setup and have no problems. Between the AVP and the SIM2 I am using a 15 meter Kimber HD 19 HDMI cable. I have compared this with a 1 m HDMI cable and found only little losses.

Since I use the AVP, the PQ has improved in the same chain, compared to my former Onkyo PR-SC5509. I know, it should not, but it did. I have no idea why. Just my experience and tests.

And BTW, you need two HDMI outs on your player to send one signal to the pj and one to the AVP or an external HDMI box.
post #25680 of 25965
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

There's no need to have the realta all the time on and interfering with the video signal.
It doesn't do any good. If you are sending 1080p24 signal from your blue ray player , it's useless to pass it through the realta for processing.Instead try to feed the video signal direct to your pj. It will be quite better.

I use the ps3/ps4 /xbox1 as blu ray players. The new Jvc projectors are most certainly having issues switching between the difference between resolutions and not resenting once the res changes. I was able to force the Denon to output only 1080p24 and 60 though I chose to do 60 seeing as u mostly play games on the system currently. I was only able to get the option for setting a specific resolution when turning on "video convert" under "source select" > "video" > "video convert". I assume this means I've no turned on the REALTA? I did not find any other method to force a specific output resolution from the avp.

Thanks for the assistance gentleman.
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