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post #25681 of 25955
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Originally Posted by Ganymed4 View Post

Well, I have experienced a PQ improvement since I use the AVP, even without turning on the REALTA. I agree, that you don't need to have the REALTA turned on. However, it should bypass itself or 'do nothing' if the signal - which may be the case with 'full HD' 1080p signals - is outside its range.
I would recommend to try all possible combinations/settings and see for yourself what you like best. For me the best picture is achieved by using the AVP in the signal path. But this may be different for individual combinations/chains.
I use the Denon 3800 BD also with REALTA T2 on, or an Oppo 103. Both are par from the PQ and the SQ point of view. This shows to me how good the Oppo for a quarter of the original price of the Denon player is. I do not use the REALTA in the AVP - agreed jomark - and then I use a pixel-by-pixel setting for my SIM2 D80E projector. I am very happy with this setup and have no problems. Between the AVP and the SIM2 I am using a 15 meter Kimber HD 19 HDMI cable. I have compared this with a 1 m HDMI cable and found only little losses.

Since I use the AVP, the PQ has improved in the same chain, compared to my former Onkyo PR-SC5509. I know, it should not, but it did. I have no idea why. Just my experience and tests.

And BTW, you need two HDMI outs on your player to send one signal to the pj and one to the AVP or an external HDMI box.


I use dvd a1 ud , so i have two hdmi outputs, one audio to the avp , one video direct to my pj.
post #25682 of 25955
Yes, I thought so. You lucky guy. smile.gif The A1 UD is special due to it's two different video chips REALTA and ABT and it is also recommended to use one HDMI for sound and the other straight to the display.
I mean, it really depends on your equipment.
I have the 3800 BD and this has only one output. The Oppo also has two HDMI outs and you could do the same as with the A1-UD.

Well, as I wrote already, each chain needs a different solution and your solution is surely the best choice for the A1-UD.
post #25683 of 25955
This is embarrassing but I can't find the place to adjust the volume level of individual speakers. Can someone tell me what icon/ menu and submenu item I should be going to to find it?
post #25684 of 25955
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

This is embarrassing but I can't find the place to adjust the volume level of individual speakers. Can someone tell me what icon/ menu and submenu item I should be going to to find it?

Manual Setup -> Speaker Setup -> 4 Channel Level

I will post you a link, where you can download the manual, page 29 of the English manual.

Try this: http://usa.denon.com/us/downloads/pages/instructionmanual.aspx Choose 'Search by text' and type in AVP-A1.
post #25685 of 25955
Thanks!
post #25686 of 25955
There is a much easier way , of doing this.
Hit the center or enter of your remote (main remote with lcd)
It will show you instantly (wel 5 secs) all the levels of all the channels that you have.
Then by using the jog dial you increase or decrease , or do whatever you like with them.
post #25687 of 25955
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

There is a much easier way , of doing this.
Hit the center or enter of your remote (main remote with lcd)
It will show you instantly (wel 5 secs) all the levels of all the channels that you have.
Then by using the jog dial you increase or decrease , or do whatever you like with them.

Keep in mind that this sets the levels for just some 'modes' it doesn't override all the levels set in the main menu, Even weirder is that you also have levels/distances for stereo/pure modes.

So be careful with this 'override' mode since you might get different settings at different times.

Daniel.
post #25688 of 25955
Well yes , but since i use the basic dolby true hd, or dts hd master , only decodings , there is nothing to alter.These are audyssey's standard levels, or manual if you have selected it.
When in stereo mode it displays the apropriate level. With sub(s) or without , so it is a very easy function of recalling the various levels and temporary readjust them to your favor.
post #25689 of 25955
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

I use dvd a1 ud , so i have two hdmi outputs, one audio to the avp , one video direct to my pj.

Hey curious to know if you've tried the DenonLink with the AVP A1-HD and A1-UD pair? If so what's your take? I'm currently using the AVR-4311 with DBP-4010 via DenonLink which is a very dynamic pair so the upgrade is very enticing.
post #25690 of 25955
Through the dl4 i use them from the start. Very nice combination. Works like a charm.
post #25691 of 25955
Happy new year everyone , to you , to your families ,








And of course to your system.
Edited by jomark911 - 1/3/14 at 12:37am
post #25692 of 25955
Quite quiet in here for a long time.


I get it we are all happy with our avp's .


RIGHT .biggrin.gif
post #25693 of 25955
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

Quite quiet in here for a long time.


I get it we are all happy with our avp's .


RIGHT .biggrin.gif

I guess going into year 7 with the avp/poa and we still find out new things about it is amazing, A few weeks ago i was stuck with voices not coming from dead center in pure-direct mode. It turns out there is a special distance setting for pure-direct mode that was off by 6". I have to wonder why there is a special setting for that (and how it got moved).

Since its so slow on the thread maybe we are allowed to go of topic a little and share the best toys we got last year ?

for me :

best overal : B&W 802 Diamonds fronts and center
best upgrade : ipad air
most fun : sony qx100

Daniel.
post #25694 of 25955
You lost me there on the first portion of your post. Can you be a little more specific?
post #25695 of 25955
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

You lost me there on the first portion of your post. Can you be a little more specific?

What part was unclear, i got the avp in a state that most voices in music didn't come from the middle of the soundstage (in pure direct mode) and it turns out the avp keeps distances for pure-direct mode separate from the overal distance settings. Maybe this is done because in pure-direct mode that part of the chipset is off and its implemented in a different way. Normally they show the same distance as the overal one but in this case the left speaker had a 6" distance differences to the listen position than the right speaker. Our ears are very sensitive in delays it seems and that moved the voices in the soundstage by at least 2 feet.


More clear ?

Daniel.
post #25696 of 25955
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

Quite quiet in here for a long time.


I get it we are all happy with our avp's .


RIGHT .biggrin.gif

yep ! got mine 2008 so coming up in a couple of months to 6 years of very happy ownership here of my avp !
post #25697 of 25955
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

What part was unclear, i got the avp in a state that most voices in music didn't come from the middle of the soundstage (in pure direct mode) and it turns out the avp keeps distances for pure-direct mode separate from the overal distance settings. Maybe this is done because in pure-direct mode that part of the chipset is off and its implemented in a different way. Normally they show the same distance as the overal one but in this case the left speaker had a 6" distance differences to the listen position than the right speaker. Our ears are very sensitive in delays it seems and that moved the voices in the soundstage by at least 2 feet.


More clear ?

Daniel.
Yes more clear. Though i feel we have to discuss this.On the why and how basis.
post #25698 of 25955
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Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

yep ! got mine 2008 so coming up in a couple of months to 6 years of very happy ownership here of my avp !

Yeah i got mine on 2008 also. It was september. On january i got poa, and on july i got a1ud.
Yes quite happy ownership here too.
post #25699 of 25955
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

Yes more clear. Though i feel we have to discuss this.On the why and how basis.

Well after thinking about it for a while i still don't have a clue why denon would allow you to set the distances in pure-direct mode. I can see that maybe they shutdown the delay part used in direct mode and added a smaller circuit to regain that feature (as with the crossovers) but they normally copy the distances set in during setup so that doesn't explain why you as a user can set them again.

So the open question is does anyone know a reason why denon would allow you to set different distances for the 2 front channels in pure-direct mode to create a difference vs the normal distances ?.

Daniel.
post #25700 of 25955
Without being sure about this , i think the same applies to the 2 channel pure direct.
I don't know i'll have to check on mine. What were you playing at the time?
post #25701 of 25955
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Well after thinking about it for a while i still don't have a clue why denon would allow you to set the distances in pure-direct mode. I can see that maybe they shutdown the delay part used in direct mode and added a smaller circuit to regain that feature (as with the crossovers) but they normally copy the distances set in during setup so that doesn't explain why you as a user can set them again.

So the open question is does anyone know a reason why denon would allow you to set different distances for the 2 front channels in pure-direct mode to create a difference vs the normal distances ?.

Daniel.

Not at all. I hear this for the first time and never saw a setting like this on other pre/pros. Because I don't use pure direct mode due to the Audyssey calibration, I haven't come to this issue yet. But I will check it. Thank you for letting us know.
post #25702 of 25955
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Originally Posted by jomark911 View Post

Without being sure about this , i think the same applies to the 2 channel pure direct.
I don't know i'll have to check on mine. What were you playing at the time?

Not sure what it has todo with the settings but i was playing PCM 44.1/16 or PCM 96/24.

I am talking about the setting in :

MANUAL SETUP / AUDIO SETUP / 2ch Direct/Stereo

you will see the 2 settings there called :

Distance FL : xx
DIstance FR : xx

These are copied from your normal setup but do override them if you change them. Now i am sure it was user error how they got set in my system but i do wonder why they exist at all.

Daniel.
post #25703 of 25955
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Originally Posted by Ganymed4 View Post

Not at all. I hear this for the first time and never saw a setting like this on other pre/pros. Because I don't use pure direct mode due to the Audyssey calibration, I haven't come to this issue yet. But I will check it. Thank you for letting us know.

I guess this is because denon (and now marantz) has a different (and i think correect) idea about what 2 channel en pure-direct mean. They don't follow the 'pure-direct' is full analog idea but that pure-direct turns off what you don't need but they do allow you to set lots of things if you really want. The question here is why they allow you to set these distances my first guess is its needed because the normal delay code is turned off in this more and they want you to be able to compensate for sub woofer distance if needed. Weirdly if you turn the subwoofer on in this mode you can't set that distance so i guess you have to compensate using the 2 fronts.

Daniel.
post #25704 of 25955
My setup
  • I have an Oppo BDP-83 playing via HDMI to my AVP-A1HD and POA-A1HD.
  • I only have four speakers connected, i.e. FL, FR, SL and SR. I have no physical centre channel, sub etc.
  • I have set up the AVP with Large front and Small rear speakers, with no Centre, Sub or other speakers.
  • If relevant, I haven't upgraded the AVP firmware in a long long time; it's upgrading as I type, so I'm not sure what version it was at. The Oppo is also on old firmware.


The problem
I recently bought a Warner Brother Blu-ray of The Maltese Falcon, which has DTS-HD Master 1.0 sound. With the Oppo set to Auto or Bitstream, the AVP shows "DTS-HD MSTR" but I get no sound at all. If I change it to LPCM, the AVP shows "DTS NEO:6 cinema" and I get the sound.

My DTS-HD Master 5.1 Blu-rays play as expected with the Oppo set to Auto.

I've tried changing various setting on the AVP such as Downmix, to no avail. Can anyone suggest what else I might try, such that I can leave the Oppo on Auto and have it work correctly? Is it just a quirk of not having a physical centre speaker?



Images of the Oppo and AVP with Oppo set to bitstream:







Images of the Oppo and AVP with the Oppo set to LPCM:



post #25705 of 25955
^^

If all your other blurays are OK then it sounds like an issue with that particular bluray or the oppo firmware is having an issue with that particular bluray. You might want to contact oppo and let them know. Another thing to try is to turn everything off and then back on again because sometimes it is a sync or handshake issue. I have that quite a bit with some quirky blurays.
post #25706 of 25955
^^ It's more likely an issue with the AVP with mono DTS-HD Master Audio tracks as the problem only happens when bitstreaming. There probably aren't too many mono DTS-HD Master Audio tracks out there, so finding other sample to test with could be a challenge.
post #25707 of 25955
I would say that your first setting is correct. This is the most amazing feature of the AVP-A1: It shows the input signal and the output signal. The 8801 doesn't do this and I am asking myself why?

However, if you input a mono DTS-HD signal - shown on your first AVP-A1 display picture - outputted to 4 speakers, what you have, the bitstream output seems to be doing everything correct, isn't it.
post #25708 of 25955
As a test you might try temporarily hooking up a center channel speaker and try a 5 channel configuration to see if that outputs a signal. You could just monitor the pre-amp center out instead of using a speaker but make sure you are at a low output level. I'm wondering if the phantom-center processing is having an issue?
post #25709 of 25955
Thanks all.

Funnily enough, I do have another DTS HD Master 1.0 Blu-ray, Warner Brother's "The Treasure Of The Sierra Madre", and this shows the same issue. I think I'll try to find and hook up a centre speaker to see if that solves the problem. It's not a huge deal, as I have a workaround.
post #25710 of 25955
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Originally Posted by rogergraham View Post

I think I'll try to find and hook up a centre speaker to see if that solves the problem. It's not a huge deal, as I have a workaround.

Or maybe I won't :-)

After realising how outdated my firmware was, I initiated a firmware upgrade last night. I've woken up 10 hours later to see the display unchanged. Any suggestions as to how to proceed - should I just disconnect/reconnect the power and see if it still works?

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