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post #3151 of 25091
6/29/08 at 12:47am
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Sorry Scott - those thread police!! Try a search on ebay (dot) com
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post #3152 of 25091
6/29/08 at 4:44am
When connect pc to avp I can't get pioneer plasma to use dot by dot mode... anyone seen this too ? it's pc <- hdmi -> avp <- hdmi -> pdp-lx6090
connection pc sends 1920x1080P, when connect pc direct to pioneer plasma I can choose dot by dot mode.
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post #3153 of 25091
6/29/08 at 7:00am
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When connect pc to avp I can't get pioneer plasma to use dot by dot mode... anyone seen this too ? it's pc <- hdmi -> avp <- hdmi -> pdp-lx6090
connection pc sends 1920x1080P, when connect pc direct to pioneer plasma I can choose dot by dot mode.

Do you have "Video Convert" off and "i/p Scaler" off?
That should "just pass through" the signal if they are off.
Other than that, I am of no help
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post #3154 of 25091
6/29/08 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Again the 3800 has been delayed in europe, But the 2500 also after a delay seems to become available in a few weeks. I asked about why it took so long to make a euro version and got al kinds of weird replies also making me thing something was/is up. I have no idea the only thing i can thing of is changes to the machine or they are under time pressure making lower end models like the new 1800DB. My euro 2500DB is also 'expected' mid-end jul.

Daniel.

The way it's going for me I would be able to a Denon 2500 REG B here before I get my Reg A.

My goal is to replace most of my BD players all with denon ruuning them with R-s232 support which I find very stable.I want 2 reg B denons and 2 Reg a but one being the higher end Reg A model.
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post #3155 of 25091
6/29/08 at 8:25am
Denon BTCI 2500 REG B will arrive here in september.Gives you an indication on how long we have to wait.
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post #3156 of 25091
6/29/08 at 8:56am
Not meaning to be cynical, but have been previously trapped on getting in on the newest technology -- am in need of a top notch pre-pro but do not wish to fight either a lousy f/w update or some glitch in the pre-pro that prevents an otherwise good f/w update from working right.

(thinking of a couple of personal horror stories about bad f/w updates for a motherboard and also a printer and can probably come up with several others if I had not removed them from my aging memory)

Has it ever been determined that the recent f/w update issue to be hardware-based or strictly flawed f/w update?

I have followed this lengthy thread (mostly lurking) since its beginning and until this f/w issue, had noticed barely a complaint which is pretty striking compared with most devices with such leading (if not bleeding) edge technology and that does everything.

It is a shame that it was not possible to incorporate a dual f/w setup so that if one is flawed OR a person was using a wifi and missed a few important bits, or that the electricity had a momentary glitch, that it could be easily rolled back to the previous f/w keeping all settings that resulted from that f/w.

Thus my somewhat cynical question--has the recent f/w issue been determined to be hardware-based or the f/w update itself being flawed? Has Denon fixed whatever the issue is and is the next shipment of AVPs due next month fixed?

Thanks,

MikeSp
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post #3157 of 25091
6/29/08 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by GoodSonics View Post

With my AVP, the Wireless could be set back up after I did a Microprocessor Reset. If I reloaded a previous set of settings, then the Wireless stopped working.

The only way I could get everything working was to due the Microprocessor Reset, then load my settings manual. After many hours, I think I have everything set back up.

Darrell

Mine has functioned in exactly the same way. The biggest pain will be having to run the Audessey calibration again, I had a pretty good one last time. I don't know how things will be done with the Pro package, but if a firmware update traps someone's paid-for setings, things could get uncomfortable.
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post #3158 of 25091
6/29/08 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by MikeSp View Post

Not meaning to be cynical, but have been previously trapped on getting in on the newest technology -- am in need of a top notch pre-pro but do not wish to fight either a lousy f/w update or some glitch in the pre-pro that prevents an otherwise good f/w update from working right.

(thinking of a couple of personal horror stories about bad f/w updates for a motherboard and also a printer and can probably come up with several others if I had not removed them from my aging memory)

Has it ever been determined that the recent f/w update issue to be hardware-based or strictly flawed f/w update?

I have followed this lengthy thread (mostly lurking) since its beginning and until this f/w issue, had noticed barely a complaint which is pretty striking compared with most devices with such leading (if not bleeding) edge technology and that does everything.

It is a shame that it was not possible to incorporate a dual f/w setup so that if one is flawed OR a person was using a wifi and missed a few important bits, or that the electricity had a momentary glitch, that it could be easily rolled back to the previous f/w keeping all settings that resulted from that f/w.

Thus my somewhat cynical question--has the recent f/w issue been determined to be hardware-based or the f/w update itself being flawed? Has Denon fixed whatever the issue is and is the next shipment of AVPs due next month fixed?

Thanks,

MikeSp

Well thats the thing MikeSp with my current F/W updates I haven't had a problem(touch wood) and there are some that haven't either but then there are some that have.Theres was more the wireless issue and some being the netaudio.But then there are some that have a problem due to the hardware being faulty also which the firmware tried to update but could not due to fault.
I guess where all in agreeance where we wish Denon provided us something like a USB or even a disc so we can have that option to roll back.can it be done? god knows.Some of these guys on this particular thread will have more of an idea if it can be done as there much more knowledgable in that department than me.

Certainly has not been offered by Denon as of yet.
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post #3159 of 25091
6/29/08 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by MikeSp View Post


Has it ever been determined that the recent f/w update issue to be hardware-based or strictly flawed f/w update?

I have followed this lengthy thread (mostly lurking) since its beginning and until this f/w issue, had noticed barely a complaint which is pretty striking compared with most devices with such leading (if not bleeding) edge technology and that does everything.

It is a shame that it was not possible to incorporate a dual f/w setup so that if one is flawed OR a person was using a wifi and missed a few important bits, or that the electricity had a momentary glitch, that it could be easily rolled back to the previous f/w keeping all settings that resulted from that f/w.


Thanks,

MikeSp

Mike,

The latest issue involving the firmware was not hardware related. Some units had their setting file corrupted during the firmware process. Once the settings file was reset, people were able to proceed to use the AVP with the new firmware.

Some people were able to re-load a previous settings file, while a few (like me), had to redo thier settings manually. I haven't heard of anyone not resolving the firmware update issue, that reset their setting file, so reverting to a preious firmware has not been necessary.

I have heard of one person wiuth a hardware issue, but they had those problems before the firmware update.

Darrell
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post #3160 of 25091
6/29/08 at 10:49am
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Originally Posted by MikeSp View Post

Not meaning to be cynical, but have been previously trapped on getting in on the newest technology -- am in need of a top notch pre-pro but do not wish to fight either a lousy f/w update or some glitch in the pre-pro that prevents an otherwise good f/w update from working right.

(thinking of a couple of personal horror stories about bad f/w updates for a motherboard and also a printer and can probably come up with several others if I had not removed them from my aging memory)

Has it ever been determined that the recent f/w update issue to be hardware-based or strictly flawed f/w update?

I have followed this lengthy thread (mostly lurking) since its beginning and until this f/w issue, had noticed barely a complaint which is pretty striking compared with most devices with such leading (if not bleeding) edge technology and that does everything.

It is a shame that it was not possible to incorporate a dual f/w setup so that if one is flawed OR a person was using a wifi and missed a few important bits, or that the electricity had a momentary glitch, that it could be easily rolled back to the previous f/w keeping all settings that resulted from that f/w.

Thus my somewhat cynical question--has the recent f/w issue been determined to be hardware-based or the f/w update itself being flawed? Has Denon fixed whatever the issue is and is the next shipment of AVPs due next month fixed?

Thanks,

MikeSp

I understand your fear of the new technology trap. But just keep it mind that it's always like this on product threads. When there's a common problem, in this case a glitchy F/W update, everybody talks about it a lot and it's easy to get the impression that everybody's unhappy and the AVP is problematic.

But in fact, I think your other observation, where you "had noticed barely a complaint which is pretty striking compared with most devices with such leading (if not bleeding) edge technology and that does everything," is a more accurate characterization of our experience in general. We all know that there will be a few bad units with any product, we all feel for stenvik & ahr34 for getting a couple of those, and we all want to support them through this process of getting their situations rectified. But I'm sure, based on my participation in this thread from day one, that virtually everyone here thinks the AVP is an outstanding piece of technology, beautifully executed, and (we're now glad to confirm) very well-supported by its manufacturer.

Denon is aware of this firmware issue, and we've been told they take it very seriously. I have no doubt that they'll get it figured out and make every effort to avoid this problem in the future. So please, don't let recent discussion skew your impression. Should you decide to get an AVP, you'll have a great cutting-edge processor and a community of supportive fellow owners eager to help you learn how to squeeze every last drop of performance out of it.

Best of luck on your research and shopping adventure!
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post #3161 of 25091
6/29/08 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

I understand your fear of the new technology trap. But just keep it mind that it's always like this on product threads. When there's a common problem, in this case a glitchy F/W update, everybody talks about it a lot and it's easy to get the impression that everybody's unhappy and the AVP is problematic.

But in fact, I think your other observation, where you "had noticed barely a complaint which is pretty striking compared with most devices with such leading (if not bleeding) edge technology and that does everything," is a more accurate characterization of our experience in general. We all know that there will be a few bad units with any product, we all feel for stenvik & ahr34 for getting a couple of those, and we all want to support them through this process of getting their situations rectified. But I'm sure, based on my participation in this thread from day one, that virtually everyone here thinks the AVP is an outstanding piece of technology, beautifully executed, and (we're now glad to confirm) very well-supported by its manufacturer.

Denon is aware of this firmware issue, and we've been told they take it very seriously. I have no doubt that they'll get it figured out and make every effort to avoid this problem in the future. So please, don't let recent discussion skew your impression. Should you decide to get an AVP, you'll have a great cutting-edge processor and a community of supportive fellow owners eager to help you learn how to squeeze every last drop of performance out of it.

Best of luck on your research and shopping adventure!

Very well put, and I couldn't agree more. Before this firmware release pretty much every AVP owner were just as happy as can be. And there were hardly any complaints. So other than this F/W issue wrecking havoc, the AVP itself is very stable. The AVP is indeed an outstanding product, that offers outstanding performance! And it is very nice to know that the AVP is being well supported by Denon. I expect some news on them addressing this issue sooner rather than later. Once I find out something from Gene over at Audioholics, I will be sure to let everyone here know.

I know that I am one of many who are absolutely loving their AVP's. MikeSp, like progprog said, don't let this discussion of the recent F/W issue(s) scare you off from considering the AVP. I for one have not done any firmware updates to my AVP and it has been working beautifully. So I just say for anyone who buys an AVP, just hold off on doing any updates until all this gets ironed out.


Seth
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post #3162 of 25091
6/29/08 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post



Denon is aware of this firmware issue, and we've been told they take it very seriously. I have no doubt that they'll get it figured out and make every effort to avoid this problem in the future. So please, don't let recent discussion skew your impression. Should you decide to get an AVP, you'll have a great cutting-edge processor and a community of supportive fellow owners eager to help you learn how to squeeze every last drop of performance out of it.

Best of luck on your research and shopping adventure!

Being a McIntosh and Denon fan, I trust that since Denon is aware of the f/w update issue, that they will get it fixed ASAP -- it is reassuring to know that Denon IS aware of it. When I start a new computer build, I will probably get one with dual BIOS chips so that should a buggy f/w update occur, it can easily be rolled back to the previous stable update.

I am getting ready to hang the sheetrock in the kitchenette/bar area of my HT that is under construction, so I still have a couple of months to finish the rest of the construction (finishing drywall, painting, trimming out) before I will be ready for a new pre-pro and my short list is real short: #1 Denon AVP, #2 Classe's SSP-800 even though its physical design does not come close to the rest of my components. My interest is only in the digital world and have gladly said goodbye to analog sources (not meaning to step on anyone's analog toes )

MikeSp
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post #3163 of 25091
6/29/08 at 11:25am
I'm curious, what kind of Blu-Ray player are you guys using with your A1HD's? Are you happy with the current offerings or are you anticipating a new player on the way? If so, which one?
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post #3164 of 25091
6/29/08 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

I for one have not done any firmware updates to my AVP and it has been working beautifully. So I just say for anyone who buys an AVP, just hold off on doing any updates until all this gets ironed out.


Seth

I guess there is a moral to this story -- just like f/w upgrades to motherboards, videocards and (gasp) Windows operating systems -- it is best to hold off a couple of weeks and read the forums to find out if it is safe to upgrade...

MikeSp
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post #3165 of 25091
6/29/08 at 11:30am
Thread Starter 
Everyone,

I strongly suggest, that if you have any suggestions for Denon about this F/W update issue (back up firmware on disc, USB stick etc.) please let Gene know on the Denon AVP-A1HDCI / POA-A1HDCI Review Support Thread .


Thanks.
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post #3166 of 25091
6/29/08 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by rsbeck View Post

I'm curious, what kind of Blu-Ray player are you guys using with your A1HD's? Are you happy with the current offerings or are you anticipating a new player on the way? If so, which one?

Pioneer BDP-95FD. I love its picture, but the load times can be slow. Many like me are anticipating the mythical Denon "universal" player that lurks in the future....supposedly.
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post #3167 of 25091
6/29/08 at 11:34am
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I'm curious, what kind of Blu-Ray player are you guys using with your A1HD's? Are you happy with the current offerings or are you anticipating a new player on the way? If so, which one?

I am using the Panny BD-30. It Bistreams the signal (including TruHD, and DTS-MA) to the AVP, which decodes it.

The video picture is excellent, and I have no HDMI issues between this player, the AVP, and the HDTV.

The player has no major bugs, and Panasonic has provided good firmware updates when needed. This player is a great match with the AVP, and is available for ~$450.

The only feature it is missing (which I personally don't care about), is the Internet functionality. While it would be good to do firmware updates over the net, buring a CD once every 4-6 months is no big deal. My HD-DVD had the Internet interaction, and I never used it except for the firmware updates. If you need this, the BD-50 is coming out which has this.

Darrell
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post #3168 of 25091
6/29/08 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by MikeSp View Post

I guess there is a moral to this story -- just like f/w upgrades to motherboards, videocards and (gasp) Windows operating systems -- it is best to hold off a couple of weeks and read the forums to find out if it is safe to upgrade...

MikeSp

Very true.
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post #3169 of 25091
6/29/08 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post


I know that I am one of many who are absolutely loving their AVP's. MikeSp, like progprog said, don't let this discussion of the recent F/W issue(s) scare you off from considering the AVP. I for one have not done any firmware updates to my AVP and it has been working beautifully. So I just say for anyone who buys an AVP, just hold off on doing any updates until all this gets ironed out.


Seth

Just to pile on, there are any number of us who have so far had no problems with the upgrades on their first attempt. We just don't tend to post about it.

There are a few glitches in the AVP, but for how versatile it is, and how early we are in some of the newer technologies and underlying chipsets, it's amazingly stable, and performance is top notch.

You don't have to spend too much time in the other pre/pro threads to get a sense of how good a job Denon has done on this unit. It's not perfect, but once you get it configured (and boy, does this thread help with that), it seems to be handling movies/sat/cable/cds/external media streamers very well. I don't recall any HDCP handshake problems being reported, no sonic booms when some of the codecs start up, no surprise lockups requiring a hard reset, no scaling/deinterlacing problems, etc.

The only dings I personally have on the AVP are the manual, the remotes, the user interface and stability of some of the Net stuff (media sharing, internet radio browsing), and, of course, it would be nice if it was half the price.

eric
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post #3170 of 25091
6/29/08 at 11:49am
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I'm curious, what kind of Blu-Ray player are you guys using with your A1HD's? Are you happy with the current offerings or are you anticipating a new player on the way? If so, which one?

BD-30 for me. Bitstream into the AVP, so all the audio formats work as they should. Video quality on BD is very good, and I go out component video into the AVP for SD DVDs and have the AVP handle scaling/deinterlacing - probably one of the bigger weaknesses on the BD-30.

Plus, for the high def players, the BD-30 is so much quicker and more responsive.

Internet connectivity doesn't really excite me that much in a player, and since I don't tend to watch commentary tracks, I don't need (or really want) onboard decoding.

I am without a SACD player right now, so a great universal player might get me to swap out the BD-30

eric
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post #3171 of 25091
6/29/08 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by EricBergan View Post

Just to pile on, there are any number of us who have so far had no problems with the upgrades on their first attempt. We just don't tend to post about it.

There are a few glitches in the AVP, but for how versatile it is, and how early we are in some of the newer technologies and underlying chipsets, it's amazingly stable, and performance is top notch.

You don't have to spend too much time in the other pre/pro threads to get a sense of how good a job Denon has done on this unit. It's not perfect, but once you get it configured (and boy, does this thread help with that), it seems to be handling movies/sat/cable/cds/external media streamers very well. I don't recall any HDCP handshake problems being reported, no sonic booms when some of the codecs start up, no surprise lockups requiring a hard reset, no scaling/deinterlacing problems, etc.

The only dings I personally have on the AVP are the manual, the remotes, the user interface and stability of some of the Net stuff (media sharing, internet radio browsing), and, of course, it would be nice if it was half the price.

eric

Thank you Eric for chiming in.
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post #3172 of 25091
6/29/08 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by Joe C5 View Post

Do you have "Video Convert" off and "i/p Scaler" off?
That should "just pass through" the signal if they are off.
Other than that, I am of no help

You havn't read through whole thread no?.. if you did you should know that mine avp has defective video board/dead realta chip....
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post #3173 of 25091
6/29/08 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by MikeSp View Post

Being a McIntosh and Denon fan, I trust that since Denon is aware of the f/w update issue, that they will get it fixed ASAP -- it is reassuring to know that Denon IS aware of it. When I start a new computer build, I will probably get one with dual BIOS chips so that should a buggy f/w update occur, it can easily be rolled back to the previous stable update.

I am getting ready to hang the sheetrock in the kitchenette/bar area of my HT that is under construction, so I still have a couple of months to finish the rest of the construction (finishing drywall, painting, trimming out) before I will be ready for a new pre-pro and my short list is real short: #1 Denon AVP, #2 Classe's SSP-800 even though its physical design does not come close to the rest of my components. My interest is only in the digital world and have gladly said goodbye to analog sources (not meaning to step on anyone's analog toes )

MikeSp

The Classe SSP-800 seems like a very popular choice for many, considering it hasn't been released yet. I guess it has a good reputation.

The things I noticed when choosing the AVP were were:

1. HDMI inputs - Classe has 4, AVP has 6

2. Denon Link- If Denon Link does the same for High Definition audio as it did for regular DD/DTS, then it really is a "must have" IMO. Unless Classe is planning to use an HDMI 1.3a based jitter control protocol for audio ( not claimed) then it will be at a disadvantage compared to the AVP.

3. Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA, DDplus, DTS-HR: AVP- Yes, Classe- NO. It will come later. But when? Probably in the next tomato season. Excuse my cynicism here but judging by what owners of high end gear from boutique manufacturers say about promised upgrade dates, I think it is reasonable to be so.

4. Classe does not appear to be a fully balanced design like the AVP, although it does have XLR inputs and output

5. Denon has Audyssey - not a big deal for me but it is for others. Classe has manual equalizer options only and I didn't see if it could do auto channel level calibrations.

I guess all will be revealed soon enough.
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post #3174 of 25091
6/29/08 at 1:58pm
So, BD-30 for Blu-Ray? What are you guys using for SD DVD's? The BD-30, or something else?
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post #3175 of 25091
6/29/08 at 2:46pm
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So, BD-30 for Blu-Ray? What are you guys using for SD DVD's? The BD-30, or something else?

Well, BD-30 for some. I play SD-DVDs in either my Pioneer Blu-Ray player or my Toshiba HD-A35 HD-DVD player. They both do a better job than my Sony ES DVD player, but that could be related to the component-to-HDMI conversion the AVP has to do. (I'm not sure about that, but it definitely doesn't look as good, even with the AVP doing the VP.) I think the Pioneer has an edge in image quality, while the Toshiba scores a little better on user friendliness.

I recently tried an SD copy of "Ronin" in all three, just for kicks. Played in the Blu-Ray player, you almost would have thought it was a hi-def movie. It was really amazing how much better it looked.
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post #3176 of 25091
6/29/08 at 3:10pm
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So, BD-30 for Blu-Ray? What are you guys using for SD DVD's? The BD-30, or something else?

What's SD-DVD?

When I play the "old format", I use my Denon 3930ci (which I also use for CD, DVD-Audio, and SACD).

Darrell
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post #3177 of 25091
6/29/08 at 3:34pm
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What's SD-DVD?

When I play the "old format", I use my Denon 3930ci (which I also use for CD, DVD-Audio, and SACD).

Darrell

Just lingo for "Standard-Def DVD." You know, I kept my Sony DVD player in the rack after I got my HD players because it was just a great player and I have about 1500 SD-DVDs that I figured I'd still be watching for a long time. But after doing some direct comparison, it's pretty hard to justify playing them in that player anymore. The upconversion in my HD players, especially the Pioneer, just outshines any combination of processing I've tried with the Sony SD player. I've decided to pull it from the rack. I loved that player and it served me very well, but it just can't keep up with the new kids on the block.
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post #3178 of 25091
6/29/08 at 3:45pm
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I'm curious, what kind of Blu-Ray player are you guys using with your A1HD's? Are you happy with the current offerings or are you anticipating a new player on the way? If so, which one?

I'll be using a BD30 as well and likely won't change it until a universal transport comes out like the 2500 with DVD-A and SACD support.

I use the Oppo 980H for those two applications and for SD-DVD, and the Toshiba A30 for the few HD DVD's I have.

With the Realta in the AVP I think any player that can output native 480i over HDMI would be the ticket for SD-DVD, I have the Reon in my PJ now and it does a fabulous job, there's no reason to believe the Realta won't be even better.

The A30 is supposed to be able to send 480i/24 over HDMI but I haven't tried it yet and I'm not sure what my PJ or the AVPs Realta will do with that signal. I know the AVP passes 1080p/24 through with no processing who knows with 480i/24? Anyone try this yet?
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post #3179 of 25091
6/29/08 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by Wilfred View Post

Mine has functioned in exactly the same way. The biggest pain will be having to run the Audessey calibration again, I had a pretty good one last time. I don't know how things will be done with the Pro package, but if a firmware update traps someone's paid-for setings, things could get uncomfortable.

Yes, if someone had Audyssey Pro run, then has to reload the setting manually, that are not going to be happy.

If they bought the AVP and got the Audyssey Pro from the same dealer, they MAY rerun the Audyssey Pro for free. Maybe...

I was lucky. I got the firmware straightened out the day BEFORE they came and ran Audyssey Pro. I immediately save copies out to my laptop. Hopefully, Denon tests their future firmware updates better in the future.

Darrell
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post #3180 of 25091
6/29/08 at 5:15pm
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

With the Realta in the AVP I think any player that can output native 480i over HDMI would be the ticket for SD-DVD


Agree this would be perfect with the A1HD. Is there a Blu-ray player or one coming that outputs DVD in 480i?
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