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post #421 of 25092
3/29/08 at 9:31am
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If you are using a PS3 to watch Blu-ray then you will only see PCM Mulitch as the PS3 does not bitstreem. It plays uncompressed PCM and decodes TrueHD just fine but does not have the capability to play the DTS-HD MA track yet, it will only play the 1.5 core DTS track now. The PS3 is supposed to get an upgrade to allow DTS-HD MA but when it shows up is anyones guess.

You would need to get a Panasonic BD30 to get all the latest sound codecs as it can bitstreem them all. Your Denon will then display DTS-HD MA in all it's glory!

Thanks for your reply. I am using the BD30 indeed. How do I know if it is playing TrueHD of DTS-MA? Do I have to set that in the AVP? Sorry... I am not very tech oriented.
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post #422 of 25092
3/29/08 at 9:40am
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Originally Posted by orologio View Post

Thanks for your reply. I am using the BD30 indeed. How do I know if it is playing TrueHD of DTS-MA? Do I have to set that in the AVP? Sorry... I am not very tech oriented.

It probably needs to be set-up in the BD30. When you go into the BD30 setup select Audio. From there select Digital Audio Output and make sure everything is set to Bitstreem.

Then you will want to put Live Free or Die Hard in DTS-HD MA and hold on to your seats
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post #423 of 25092
3/29/08 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

It probably needs to be set-up in the BD30. When you go into the BD30 setup select Audio. From there select Digital Audio Output and make sure everything is set to Bitstreem.

Then you will want to put Live Free or Die Hard in DTS-HD MA and hold on to your seats

And turn off secondary audio...
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post #424 of 25092
3/29/08 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by orologio View Post

Thanks for your reply. I am using the BD30 indeed. How do I know if it is playing TrueHD of DTS-MA? Do I have to set that in the AVP? Sorry... I am not very tech oriented.

There are also discs that default to a "lower" audio codec, like DD 5.1, unless you go into the DVD menu and select the audio track you want.
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post #425 of 25092
3/29/08 at 11:13am
Sorry to sound dumb shamus, but what do you mean by "turn off secondary audio"?
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post #426 of 25092
3/29/08 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by joeh71 View Post

Thank you,
I am very happy with my speaker setup (I would like to move up to the Evidence Masters some day) The Temptations you see are just over 6' tall, 76" to be exact. Yes, as I said adding height speakers should add a new level of envelopment that I think will be awesome!!! I remember setting up a surround system for my brother with on wall side speakers and in ceiling rear speakers and when we were watching Casper the ghost (I know, I know) but it's a cute movie... Anyway, when the ghosts and sound effects were coming from over head it really sounded like someone was upstairs, it really was cool...

Best Regards, Joe.

Geez, Joe, now you have us wondering if we need more speakers! Anyway, I've never heard of that set-up, so I was wondering which channels you'd output there. Would the height speakers be considered secondary side surrounds (from the AVP's perspective)? And what would you use, direct-radiating in-ceiling speakers?
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post #427 of 25092
3/29/08 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by joeh71 View Post

That's funny..... Glad to be apart of this forum.

Funny? I was being serious!

Welcome aboard mate!
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post #428 of 25092
3/29/08 at 11:39am
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Originally Posted by nethomas View Post

Sorry to sound dumb shamus, but what do you mean by "turn off secondary audio"?

It might be called something else in your player, but it must be set to OFF, or sound will be downcoverted.
Maybe mixed audio? Try the BD30 thread.
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post #429 of 25092
3/29/08 at 1:35pm
Just ordered the Pre/pro and Amp combo yesterday. Should have them in about 3 weeks I'm told. Can't wait to join the 'group'.

Bish
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post #430 of 25092
3/29/08 at 1:43pm
Has anyone compared the Denon POA-A1HDCI multichannel amp to anything?

Considering it's cost of $7,000 it has a lot of competition.
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post #431 of 25092
3/29/08 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Geez, Joe, now you have us wondering if we need more speakers! Anyway, I've never heard of that set-up, so I was wondering which channels you'd output there. Would the height speakers be considered secondary side surrounds (from the AVP's perspective)? And what would you use, direct-radiating in-ceiling speakers?

As I am not an engineer for Denon I can only give my opinion in this matter. If I understand things correctly the surround B speakers are there for the following reasons: 1) so you can run monopole speakers for music and dipole/bipole speakers for movies. (This is open for debate) but it has been generally agreed that this will give the best dispersion and to be the most NON-Directional as to not let us know where the sound is coming from (Suspension of disbelief). 2) If you do have monopole speakers for music (remember in a perfect world your tweeters should be at ear level for music. Keep in mind this is also affected by the dispersion/crossover design of your speakers and could very per manufacturer. You could then mount a second pair of speakers higher up on the wall again to potentially be more NON-Directional and could be changed with the remote on the fly given your source material. Also if you look in the manual you can assign this per surround field A, B, A+B. In my case I have floor standing monopole speakers for sides and rears that do a great job however; per my experience having height/in ceiling speakers truly does have an added sense of envelopment (RIGHT OR WRONG). As for what the AVP is actually doing I believe it is just going to duplicate the surround A output but that's ok because you will have independent distance and level compensation to fine tune the amount of information coming from over head as to not let it become too distracting and unnatural. As for what I am going to use personally Dynaudio now has a 6.5 in ceiling monopole coax design. I hope this helps clarify a few thing???

Best Regards, Joe.
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post #432 of 25092
3/29/08 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

It might be called something else in your player, but it must be set to OFF, or sound will be downcoverted.
Maybe mixed audio? Try the BD30 thread.

Did that. But does your AVP show DTS-MA or TrueHD on the displayOr does it show simply Multich?
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post #433 of 25092
3/29/08 at 2:25pm
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

Has anyone compared the Denon POA-A1HDCI multichannel amp to anything?

Considering it's cost of $7,000 it has a lot of competition.

I can't speak to a side-by-side comparison, as I didn't buy the Denon amp. I'm using the Anthem A-series (A5 and A2) and I love the sound. The Anthem-AVP combination is dead quiet, smooth, and musical, if that makes sense. I didn't opt for the POA-A1HDCI for a number of (only my own) reasons:
  • I just don't currently have a need to run that many channels.
  • If I do want more channels, I personally like to keep the amps closer to the speakers and run longer balanced interconnects (as opposed to longer speaker cables). If I end up using more of the AVP's channels, it's likely to be in another zone (or two), in which case I'd prefer to put the amps in those zones.
  • I'm really happy with the Anthems, so I didn't feel the need for different amps when I got the AVP.
  • I can't lift 132 pounds!!
From what I've read, the POA sounds like a great solution for those who like to do a lot of bi-wiring and bridging. If this is what you're looking to do, there are others here who can speak to that. And from what I can tell, everybody who bought the POA seems to love it.....
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post #434 of 25092
3/29/08 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by joeh71 View Post

As I am not an engineer for Denon I can only give my opinion in this matter. If I understand things correctly the surround B speakers are there for the following reasons: 1) so you can run monopole speakers for music and dipole/bipole speakers for movies. (This is open for debate) but it has been generally agreed that this will give the best dispersion and to be the most NON-Directional as to not let us know where the sound is coming from (Suspension of disbelief). 2) If you do have monopole speakers for music (remember in a perfect world your tweeters should be at ear level for music. Keep in mind this is also affected by the dispersion/crossover design of your speakers and could very per manufacturer. You could then mount a second pair of speakers higher up on the wall again to potentially be more NON-Directional and could be changed with the remote on the fly given your source material. Also if you look in the manual you can assign this per surround field A, B, A+B. In my case I have floor standing monopole speakers for sides and rears that do a great job however; per my experience having height/in ceiling speakers truly does have an added sense of envelopment (RIGHT OR WRONG). As for what the AVP is actually doing I believe it is just going to duplicate the surround A output but that's ok because you will have independent distance and level compensation to fine tune the amount of information coming from over head as to not let it become too distracting and unnatural. As for what I am going to use personally Dynaudio now has a 6.5 in ceiling monopole coax design. I hope this helps clarify a few thing???

Best Regards, Joe.

When not used for "monopole speakers for music and dipole/bipole speakers for movies", it is my understanding that A&B together is to help recreate the multiple side surrounds in a movie theater (especially for people with long rooms). I would think placing one speaker slightly to the front of the listener and the other to the rear would better create a phantom center between the two that should give you the same result as a dipole speaker... but better.

Placing it where you are suggesting may pull the sound field too much to the front of the room. I would definitely try it before you put the holes in the ceiling.
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post #435 of 25092
3/29/08 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by orologio View Post

Did that. But does your AVP show DTS-MA or TrueHD on the displayOr does it show simply Multich?

I got the 5308....
Your display should say TruHD for dolby and DTS HD for dts and multi ch in for PCM
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post #436 of 25092
3/29/08 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

When not used for "monopole speakers for music and dipole/bipole speakers for movies", it is my understanding that A&B together is to help recreate the multiple side surrounds in a movie theater (especially for people with long rooms). I would think placing one speaker slightly to the front of the listener and the other to the rear would better create a phantom center between the two that should give you the same result as a dipole speaker... but better.

Placing it where you are suggesting may pull the sound field too much to the front of the room. I would definitely try it before you put the holes in the ceiling.

Forgive me I'm not sure what you mean. I have a pair of floor standing speakers to the side of me (Surround "A"), A pair of floor standing speakers behind me (Surround Back) and then plan to put a pair in ceiling above me (Surround "B"). I think this will give me the desired effect??? Please see pics on previous page.
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post #437 of 25092
3/29/08 at 3:24pm
As I'm not sure how speakers above me would move the sound field to the front of the room???

Best Regards, Joe.
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post #438 of 25092
3/29/08 at 3:33pm
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Originally Posted by orologio View Post

I am playing Blueray for the first time. How do I know whether is standard DTS/DD or TrueHD/DTS MA on playing? The AVP displays Multich and a small pmc logo. Sounds great thou...

Which audio track did you select?
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post #439 of 25092
3/29/08 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by joeh71 View Post

As I'm not sure how speakers above me would move the sound field to the front of the room???

Best Regards, Joe.

My bad... I thought you were going with something like Yamahas height channels towards the front of the room.
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post #440 of 25092
3/29/08 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

I would think placing one speaker slightly to the front of the listener and the other to the rear would better create a phantom center between the two that should give you the same result as a dipole speaker... but better.

Such a so-called "phantom center" will not work because you have only one ear on each side of your head. What such an arrangement will to is to simply spread the source, much as a bipole side would do. Multiple sides with appropriate time delays are used in theaters to accommodate multiple rows of listeners.
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post #441 of 25092
3/29/08 at 4:46pm
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Such a so-called "phantom center" will not work because you have only one ear on each side of your head. What such an arrangement will to is to simply spread the source, much as a bipole side would do. Multiple sides with appropriate time delays are used in theaters to accommodate multiple rows of listeners.

Hmmm... I never thought of it that way. So having only one ear on the side of my head will lose any kind of stereo effect to the sides and will not place the sound in the center of them? The "phantom center" was the best description I could come up with!
I've always felt multiple side surrounds would be ideal if you had the room instead of dipole/bipole.
Are the delays in the Denon enough, or are you talking about something else?
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post #442 of 25092
3/29/08 at 7:05pm
I'm using a Toshiba a35 HDDVD player via HDMI to my AVP. I have a HD DTS demo disc. It has several different movie clips including ones with DTS-HD MA. The AVP just displays THX Ultra Cinema. Nothing about DTS is displayed at all. When in standard mode the AVP just displays multichannel. I'm really confused.
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post #443 of 25092
3/29/08 at 7:31pm
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

I'm using a Toshiba a35 HDDVD player via HDMI to my AVP. I have a HD DTS demo disc. It has several different movie clips including ones with DTS-HD MA. The AVP just displays THX Ultra Cinema. Nothing about DTS is displayed at all. When in standard mode the AVP just displays multichannel. I'm really confused.

Can your player bitstream DTS MA?
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post #444 of 25092
3/29/08 at 7:43pm
The A35 can output bitstream for DTS-HD MA. If the front says THX Ultra Cinema than you are applying a DSP mode on top of the incoming signal.

Make sure the A35 is set up to actually output bitstream and not PCM and make sure the Denon is setup so that it doesn't apply post-processing onto the audio signal if you want to see Master Audio on the front panel.
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post #445 of 25092
3/29/08 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

Can your player bitstream DTS MA?

Yes, the a35 can bitstream both DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD. I must have something set wrong in the AVP. It won't even display basic DTS and DD. Just multichannel or THX Ultra cinema.
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post #446 of 25092
3/29/08 at 7:52pm
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

The A35 can output bitstream for DTS-HD MA. If the front says THX Ultra Cinema than you are applying a DSP mode on top of the incoming signal.

Make sure the A35 is set up to actually output bitstream and not PCM and make sure the Denon is setup so that it doesn't apply post-processing onto the audio signal if you want to see Master Audio on the front panel.

Ya know, it would be kind of cool to see Master Audio on the front panel.

The a35 is set up to output bitstream. My feeling is I have something set incorrectly in the AVP menu. When I select "standard" the AVP just displays multichannel.
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post #447 of 25092
3/29/08 at 8:08pm
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

Ya know, it would be kind of cool to see Master Audio on the front panel.

The a35 is set up to output bitstream. My feeling is I have something set incorrectly in the AVP menu. When I select "standard" the AVP just displays multichannel.

If you selected standard in the "surround mode" setting and its still saying multi ch in, than you are sending it PCM.

Goto information>audio input signal and it will show you whats coming in and what DSP (if any) is applied.
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post #448 of 25092
3/29/08 at 8:20pm
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Originally Posted by orologio View Post

I am playing Blueray for the first time. How do I know whether is standard DTS/DD or TrueHD/DTS MA on playing? The AVP displays Multich and a small pmc logo. Sounds great thou...

orologio, I have the same question/problem. I am using ps3 to play blu ray. I have set it to bitstream the audio. I played "I am Legend" and selected the TrueHD track from the disc pop up menu. However, the AVP showed Dolby Digital and not TrueHD on the display panel.

I chenged the track to Dolby Digital 5.1 and the AVP continued to show Dolby Digital on the display panel.

Therefore regardless of which track I selected, the display continued to show Dolby Digital!

I wonder whether this is a ps3 bug or an AVP bug?
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post #449 of 25092
3/29/08 at 8:28pm
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Originally Posted by StephenBishop View Post

orologio, I have the same question/problem. I am using ps3 to play blu ray. I have set it to bitstream the audio. I played "I am Legend" and selected the TrueHD track from the disc pop up menu. However, the AVP showed Dolby Digital and not TrueHD on the display panel.

I chenged the track to Dolby Digital 5.1 and the AVP continued to show Dolby Digital on the display panel.

Therefore regardless of which track I selected, the display continued to show Dolby Digital!

I wonder whether this is a ps3 bug or an AVP bug?

PS3 can not send the new audio bitstream. Leave it set at PCM and your Denon display should say multi ch in.
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post #450 of 25092
3/29/08 at 8:31pm
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Originally Posted by StephenBishop View Post

orologio, I have the same question/problem. I am using ps3 to play blu ray. I have set it to bitstream the audio. I played "I am Legend" and selected the TrueHD track from the disc pop up menu. However, the AVP showed Dolby Digital and not TrueHD on the display panel.

I chenged the track to Dolby Digital 5.1 and the AVP continued to show Dolby Digital on the display panel.

Therefore regardless of which track I selected, the display continued to show Dolby Digital!

I wonder whether this is a ps3 bug or an AVP bug?

I think I found the answer in the ps3 Forum. Here's a quote from one of the posts:

"If you are waiting for bitstreaming of the HD codecs (TrueHD and Master Audio) via HDMI, you will be dissapointed...the HDMI chip on the PS3 is incapable of streaming HD audio. Its a hardware issue, not a software issue that could be addressed with a firmware update. The best you can hope for is internal decoding of DTS-HD Master Audio and LPCM output via HDMI, which is how the PS3 currently handles TrueHD and Dolby Digital Plus. By the way, the PS3 already can decode and playback ALL Dolby codecs, either in 5.1 or 7.1 format. ......."

So it appears the TrueHD is internally decoded by the ps3 and then transported via PCM.
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