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Does anybody know if PMs went through yesterday? I sent a couple and I'm wondering if I need to resend them...
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

I am one of the few here that is still using the stock remote.

Seth

You and me both.
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Well guys I'm happy to report that the update on my AVP went smoothly. It took a full 61 minutes to complete. And I decided to observe what it was doing every step of the way. And since I was camped out in front of my AVP anyway, I also wrote down what it showed in the AVP's display window. Here is what it showed from step one all the way through:

Main Firm
Sub Firm
Flash Firm
DSP1 Firm
Sflash Firm
Sflash Firm
Ether IM Firm
Ether WP Firm

After it completed the update, the AVP re-started itself. I checked to see if the steaming was working, and it sure was! So so far all is well.


Seth

Thanks Seth.

These are the old and new firmware versions after the update:

Before update → After update:
Main Ver 00.98 → 1.57
Sub Ver 00.58 → 0.63
Main ROM 00.98 → 1.57
Main PLD 00.25
DSP1 Ver 36.56 → 36.57
DSP2 Ver 37.14
DSP3 Ver 38.10
...a few Ethernet ones that I have not bothered to include...
GUI PRG 00007621
GUI DAT 10003007 → 10003012
REALTA 070C14
HDMIA PLD 00.20 → 0.72
DGTL FPGA 00.10
POA1 Ver 00.37

As I stated before, and others also have said, the firmware went very well and hopefully we can put the bad firmware update experiences behind us now.
post #4774 of 25153
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

I've just finished watching the fantastic 4 rise of the silver surfer and decided to have a look at this streaming music also.I have 3 ethernet cables in my room one being connected to the AVP and the other 2 for the BD players and would to have say amazing.I was sitting for 1/2 and hour listening to the music and man the convience is there, makes you think why bother with a cd player at all.I also saved pics of my kids and while listening to the music the pics come out clear, really good.I used to have it for the A1XVA but I find this one runs really good.I couldn't believe it you select Queen greatest hits volume 3 and I get the album cover on the top left hand corner same with van Halen albums etc etc its really good.On the Stereo side of things bloody hell it sounds fantastic, very happy.

Isn't it great? I just love the convenience and I listen to my music so much more now that it's easy. And when you consider that you can get really, really good quality music this way, it certainly does make you wonder why you need that CD player in the stack. I took mine out a few months ago....
post #4775 of 25153
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Wow, that's really too bad. I was wondering what the shutdown was about yesterday morning, but everything seems okay afterwards. Only this morning have I noticed that posts are missing all over the place. Are these two things related- yesterday's shutdown and today's missing posts?

Oddly enough, somebody just today received a PM that I sent weeks ago.....

Taken from a D-Nice post.

"AVS Forum Community:
On the morning of August 11, AVS Forum suffered a major failure in the database and backup storage. As such, we have no choice but to recover from August 2nd.

This represents tens of thousands of lost posts and new threads for the last week. There is nothing we can do about it at this time but move forward. We are sorry about the loss and will work to be sure this does not happen again. We are as upset about this as you may be, more than likely even more.

Regretfully,


AVS Forum"
post #4776 of 25153
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Originally Posted by Krellav View Post

running well. I really like being able to stream music from my pc (media player)! Music from the internet radio sites are pretty good also except for the occasional drop of signal. Not sure why that occurs. At some point I would like to get to lossless audio over the net or via pc but will need someone who has experience in setting it up to provide a guide.

I continue to be impressed with the AVP. It seems to be really well thought out with all of the technical capabilities. In my opinion this is a state of the art piece by today's standards and nothing comes close in video or audio. Never thought I would say that about a Denon product. But there it is! Would love to see a comparison of the Krell and Levinson pre/pros with the AVP. I believe it may cause mass histeria among audiophiles!

On another note, any recommendations for a full function remote to control everything. I have my eye on the Harmony 1000 as it appears to be easy to setup. Thanks for you input!

KrellAV

I'm glad you're loving the new toy! I think it's the best AV investment I've ever made..... As for remotes, I know there are quite a few using that Harmony 1000 you're looking at, and I know that Harmony set-up is indeed pretty easy. Many also like the Prontos, I think there is at least one RTI, and I use a Nevo. I would think there are some URC users as well, since those are pretty common, but I can't think of anybody off hand. Whatever you go with, somebody here will be using it and can help with setup if you need it.
post #4777 of 25153
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Isn't it great? I just love the convenience and I listen to my music so much more now that it's easy. And when you consider that you can get really, really good quality music this way, it certainly does make you wonder why you need that CD player in the stack. I took mine out a few months ago....

makes me think if I really want to go for that universal player now, I mean most of my music is stored in the PC in the office and fair enough I have to keep it on to use it but who cares.I sat on my arse and did not have to bother getting up and down changing discs. Im thinking about giving it a miss now it has to offer something more for me too buy I know it might be able to pass HD audio through Denon link but for HDMI is doing great regardless.
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[quote=Franin;14421081][quote=rnrgagne;14420770]I'm fighting the urge to say "I told you so".... oops, I guess I did ..

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He he he well thanks to Mark or I would never have believed it to work and became the icing on the cake for my HAA calibration. But I have to admit rnrgagne I give you credit mate you kept insisting that it works well and your right.

I remember asking the question about the different results I got for the db reading in my SPL meter for each speaker and I visited our Aussie home forum to have a read as sugggested by Alebonau but I found some interesting comments like level matching the db to 75db for each speaker regardless what Audyssey puts out. Now I believe that is wrong in a way correct me if im wrong guys because unless there all identical they have different characteristics. To level match them could cause peaks in the room, so thats where Audyssey comes in it's designed to get the best for your room and the listening pos it brings down the peaks and tries to bring up the nulls in it's own way.It's there to match the speaker level but not in db as such but in tone if you follow me.Like I said i could be wrong and im sure there someone who will say your wrong but it makes sense to me because as I said before unless there identical speakers throughout most have different charateristics even if they are from the same manufacturer, some have xtra drivers, the freq response is different, the build etc. As an example I recently purchased a set of Berylluim Sonance Virtuoso 834 DR sealed ceiling speakers for my surrounds the baffle,the mid and tweeter can pivot pointing towards you which is great.I noticed that level matching there was a lot of high and mid it did not seem right(I thought here goes another $600 to get out my HAA calibrator) so I decided to use the Audyssey instead and it did a fantastic job in matching the tone but the SPL meter showed it less than some of the others.When i watched the movie I could hear them clearly so I believe it's not all about db matching as some say. Correct me if im wrong guys im sure someone might have a better explanation.

Tough to say really, because you're never dealing in absolutes. Audyssey should be more accurate through the entire frequency range than an SPL meter because of the calibrated mic and accuracy of the test tones it generates.
post #4779 of 25153
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

makes me think if I really want to go for that universal player now, I mean most of my music is stored in the PC in the office and fair enough I have to keep it on to use it but who cares.I sat on my arse and did not have to bother getting up and down changing discs. Im thinking about giving it a miss now it has to offer something more for me too buy I know it might be able to pass HD audio through Denon link but for HDMI is doing great regardless.

If you weren't going to use it for music, what advantage could a new player offer over your 2500? Doesn't the 2500 bitstream every available audio codec? That's such a nice unit that I snap one up in a hurry if my Pioneer BD player wasn't elss than a year old...

That reminds me, did the recent update fix that one problem you were having with the 2500?
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[quote=rnrgagne;14422366][quote=Franin;14421081]
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

I'm fighting the urge to say "I told you so".... oops, I guess I did ..



Tough to say really, because you're never dealing in absolutes. Audyssey should be more accurate through the entire frequency range than an SPL meter because of the calibrated mic and accuracy of the test tones it generates.

Well like i said I could be wrong but it certainly did a very good job this time around.Everything is right i thought how much can I improve from the HAA calibratiom and now I know it's great. I even demoed some music and it was perfect. Im still suprised leaving all my settings as the HAA calibrator left it on the subwoofers, it actually kept it the same but adjusting to the new setting whaich was perfect.If anything I thought the two subs will be the problem but no they were not.
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

If you weren't going to use it for music, what advantage could a new player offer over your 2500? Doesn't the 2500 bitstream every available audio codec? That's such a nice unit that I snap one up in a hurry if my Pioneer BD player wasn't elss than a year old...

That reminds me, did the recent update fix that one problem you were having with the 2500?

Certainly did im looking at getting another to replace my Panasonic DMP-BD30.I want have it all Denon apart from HD DVD the toshibas will have to do.
post #4782 of 25153
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

If you weren't going to use it for music, what advantage could a new player offer over your 2500? Doesn't the 2500 bitstream every available audio codec?

True, why would I? I would be streaming like the rest of you.
post #4783 of 25153
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Certainly did im looking at getting another to replace my Panasonic DMP-BD30.I want have it all Denon apart from HD DVD the toshibas will have to do.

Yeah, kind of sucks about HD-DVD. I really like the format and, in fact, still buy them whenever I see them at a good price. I wish somebody (like you, Denon!) would make one last, definitive player- a robust, high-end unit with serial control (or at least rear-panel IR control) for those of us that plan to use the format as long as the discs last. I have three Toshibas, but they definitely feel like a mid-consumer-level product next to solid stuff like Denon.
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Yeah, kind of sucks about HD-DVD. I really like the format and, in fact, still buy them whenever I see them at a good price. I wish somebody (like you, Denon!) would make one last, definitive player- a robust, high-end unit with serial control (or at least rear-panel IR control) for those of us that plan to use the format as long as the discs last. I have three Toshibas, but they definitely feel like a mid-consumer-level product next to solid stuff like Denon.

BTW talking about toshibas for some reason the RS-232 port did not work. i was sent some RS-232 protocls but I must of done soemthing wrong as it did not work. Did you get yours going by RS-232?
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

BTW talking about toshibas for some reason the RS-232 port did not work. i was sent some RS-232 protocls but I must of done soemthing wrong as it did not work. Did you get yours going by RS-232?


You have RS-232?? Mine are HD-A35s and they don't offer serial control. Good performers otherwise, but like I said, they don't feel like they were built to last forever, and they don't have anything but front-panel IR control. Which one are you using?
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Frank,

Don't know if this will offer any insight, but just in case:
http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin...thread.cgi?204
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

You have RS-232?? Mine are HD-A35s and they don't offer serial control. Good performers otherwise, but like I said, they don't feel like they were built to last forever, and they don't have anything but front-panel IR control. Which one are you using?

Toshiba XE-1. or some reason they don't seem to work.Im using the IR also but it would of been nice if they worked.
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Frank,

Don't know if this will offer any insight, but just in case:
http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin...thread.cgi?204

Thanks progprog looks like i wasn't the only one having problems.
post #4789 of 25153
Can anyone offer any advice.

I have just returned from about 4 weeks in the UK and now the AVP will not synch up to my wireless network. It was working perfectly before I left.

It recognises the network, and I have the correct WEP key in place but it simply keeps saying 'Connection failed'.

All other aspects of my wireless network are working fine, it's just the AVP that seems to have gotten bollocks'd up.

TIA,
Bish
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Originally Posted by thebishman View Post

Can anyone offer any advice.

I have just returned from about 4 weeks in the UK and now the AVP will not synch up to my wireless network. It was working perfectly before I left.

It recognises the network, and I have the correct WEP key in place but it simply keeps saying 'Connection failed'.

All other aspects of my wireless network are working fine, it's just the AVP that seems to have gotten bollocks'd up.

TIA,
Bish

Other than saying "you're not alone," there isn't much I can offer. Problems with the AVP's wireless connection seem to be a regular occurrence around here. I would start by setting the wireless up from scratch again.
post #4791 of 25153
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

makes me think if I really want to go for that universal player now, I mean most of my music is stored in the PC in the office and fair enough I have to keep it on to use it but who cares.I sat on my arse and did not have to bother getting up and down changing discs. Im thinking about giving it a miss now it has to offer something more for me too buy I know it might be able to pass HD audio through Denon link but for HDMI is doing great regardless.

Music streamed from the PC to the AVP is simply astounding - especially WAV files. Music played this way is as good as I have ever heard, but I will hold off on the judgement of the new universal player until I know the full specification list like you Frank but it may be that there will be a couple of nice surprises!
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

I've just finished watching the fantastic 4 rise of the silver surfer and decided to have a look at this streaming music also.I have 3 ethernet cables in my room one being connected to the AVP and the other 2 for the BD players and would to have say amazing.I was sitting for 1/2 and hour listening to the music and man the convience is there, makes you think why bother with a cd player at all.I also saved pics of my kids and while listening to the music the pics come out clear, really good.I used to have it for the A1XVA but I find this one runs really good.I couldn't believe it you select Queen greatest hits volume 3 and I get the album cover on the top left hand corner same with van Halen albums etc etc its really good.On the Stereo side of things bloody hell it sounds fantastic, very happy.

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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Isn't it great? I just love the convenience and I listen to my music so much more now that it's easy. And when you consider that you can get really, really good quality music this way, it certainly does make you wonder why you need that CD player in the stack. I took mine out a few months ago....

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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

makes me think if I really want to go for that universal player now, I mean most of my music is stored in the PC in the office and fair enough I have to keep it on to use it but who cares.I sat on my arse and did not have to bother getting up and down changing discs. Im thinking about giving it a miss now it has to offer something more for me too buy I know it might be able to pass HD audio through Denon link but for HDMI is doing great regardless.

Yes the music streaming sound quality through the AVP is very impressive. And about the only reason I have kept my Sony XA20ES player in the rack is for the times I buy a CD and want to listen to it right away. It's taken a while for streamed music to approach the quality of CD, but that time is finally upon us.

For me the upcoming uber Denon player is something I really want for many reasons. It will give me the best of all worlds in one unit. Once I get it I will no longer need my Sony XA20 CD player, Sony S300 Blu-ray, and Yamaha S2300 universal player. And it will be my first player with DenonLink. And even though I won't be spinning a lot of CD's through it, I have to admit that I have always wanted a player with balanced outs. I have used many CD players over the years and none had balanced outs, so I will be realizing a dream.

I will be keeping my Denon 2500BTCI though, it'll be a fantastic back up Blu-ray player.

But like you guys, being able to just select an artist, album, or playlist, and then just let it play from the comfort of your chair is just so cool. And I agree Frank, seeing the album art on screen just adds to it.


Seth
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MarkB View Post

Thanks Seth.

These are the old and new firmware versions after the update:

Before update → After update:
Main Ver 00.98 → 1.57
Sub Ver 00.58 → 0.63
Main ROM 00.98 → 1.57
Main PLD 00.25
DSP1 Ver 36.56 → 36.57
DSP2 Ver 37.14
DSP3 Ver 38.10
...a few Ethernet ones that I have not bothered to include...
GUI PRG 00007621
GUI DAT 10003007 → 10003012
REALTA 070C14
HDMIA PLD 00.20 → 0.72
DGTL FPGA 00.10
POA1 Ver 00.37

As I stated before, and others also have said, the firmware went very well and hopefully we can put the bad firmware update experiences behind us now.

You're welcome.

And thank you for sharing the update Version list. Yes if many more keep on getting successful updates, then as you said, we can finally put the bad firmware update experience behind us.


Seth
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I selling my Lexicon MC12B and upgrading to new LPCM capable or HD audio capable processor. I am considering the MC12B-HD or the AVP-A1HD from Denon, talked about here in this forum thread.

I really need the low bass output of the MC12B, which apparently, this unit does not have. Please note that my low bass requirements are beyond just about anybody else in the world, given my need to drive two TRW subs, one Wilson XS and two Wilson Watchdogs. I've been told I can EQ my way around this, by the manufacturer of the TRWs, but I'd like to hear from you Denon owners: are happy with the way they drive your subs, esp those with large and multiple subs?

I really like the 3 sub outputs... that works well for me, better than the Lexi in fact which had 2 sub outputs.

Overall, can anyone think of a reason I should opt for the Lexi vs the Denon... ?

p.s. I was quite pleased with the Lexi DAC quality btw.
post #4795 of 25153
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

I wonder if anyone else has had and cured this problem;

My GUI is gone, no volume display or OSD either over HDMI or composite monitor out.

I don't know how it happened, I think my universal remote might have an incorrect macro or something because using it to turn on my system is the only thing I did differently.

I can't figure out how to get it back on going through the menu on the front of the AVP and the manual might as well be in a foriegn language..

yeah I had this, simple cure is a hard ON/Off and GUI comes back. I did post in the last week on this but obviously got lost in the wash hehe
post #4796 of 25153
is the general concensus that this very capable processor has remaining software bugs, or is it stable (other than the previous post where the UI disappeared)?
post #4797 of 25153
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Originally Posted by Krellav View Post

On another note, any recommendations for a full function remote to control everything. I have my eye on the Harmony 1000 as it appears to be easy to setup. Thanks for you input!

KrellAV

I'm a fan of the Harmony's but a little less so of the 1000. In general, I prefer more hard buttons, and something that can be used with one hand. I'm using the Harmony One these days, but have others scattered around.

I do find the Harmony's easy to set up and use, and more importantly, I don't get complaints from my family anymore about "I just want to watch TV!".

I've used Pronto's and their siblings before this, and while they are very powerful, my experience was they require much more development, and more updating when you swap in/out equipment. (Not that any of us ever change our configurations...)

It literally took me about 5 minutes to rip out my Theta and do the basic setup of the AVP on my Harmony, to be able to properly watch satellite/BD/HD-DVD/DVD/VCR/listen to music, etc. Granted, I did go back a couple more times over the following days as I learned which AVP functions I wanted quick access to, and what setup/tweaking functions to make sure I could find, and how to get zones to work.

No, I don't own Logitech stock. Actually, now that I think of it, I've been using these since before Logitech bought them...

eric
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Originally Posted by tzucc View Post

is the general concensus that this very capable processor has remaining software bugs, or is it stable (other than the previous post where the UI disappeared)?

The consensus is that the avp is very stable, but its also by far the most complex (in number of lines of code) software driven pre/pro in the market. The result is that there are bugs but they remain minor. The biggest problem sofar was with the update itself but that seems to be resolved.

For comments on the 12B vs AVP ill leave that to the owners who switched from the 12B to AVP in this thread which all seem to be happy. On bass control its always tricky but the AVP gives you more options to play with again than any other unit out there to start from. My guess is >50% of the owners are using multiple subs and/or transducers (they are also supported), external EQ systems like the sms-1 for bass and more...

I assume you have seen the reviews on audioholics that tell you alot about the buildup and dacs. As always the end result is personal but the build and implementation are top notch.

Daniel.
post #4799 of 25153
Just to recap some facts we 'lost' in the thread do to the server problems. We are now 99% the avp-a1hd's (not sure about the avp-a1hdci) models with serial numbers >400 have atleast 1 fan in them. Unlike in the poa-a1hd its not temp/volume controlled and runs all the time. Nobody opened a unit yet to find out where it is but my guess is near the realta video board.

Daniel.
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Originally Posted by EricBergan View Post

I'm a fan of the Harmony's but a little less so of the 1000. In general, I prefer more hard buttons, and something that can be used with one hand. I'm using the Harmony One these days, but have others scattered around.

I do find the Harmony's easy to set up and use, and more importantly, I don't get complaints from my family anymore about "I just want to watch TV!".

I've used Pronto's and their siblings before this, and while they are very powerful, my experience was they require much more development, and more updating when you swap in/out equipment. (Not that any of us ever change our configurations...)

It literally took me about 5 minutes to rip out my Theta and do the basic setup of the AVP on my Harmony, to be able to properly watch satellite/BD/HD-DVD/DVD/VCR/listen to music, etc. Granted, I did go back a couple more times over the following days as I learned which AVP functions I wanted quick access to, and what setup/tweaking functions to make sure I could find, and how to get zones to work.

No, I don't own Logitech stock. Actually, now that I think of it, I've been using these since before Logitech bought them...

eric

a harmony 1000 user here, and use one for basic control of the avp and overall system, for intricate setup etc, i still grab the denon use, but the harmony gets by for everyday use particularly for my wife and visitors friends using the system that arent familiar with it. the harmony 1000 makes things very easy
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