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post #61 of 25154
3/15/08 at 2:07pm
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GoodSonics,

How long have you been using your AVP, and have you noticed any particular heat issues? Have you been in touch with your dealer about this possible problem? Mine left a message for his Denon rep but doesn't expect to hear back until next week. I'm trying to decide whether to fully set it up in my HT this weekend or hold off and wait for word on a potential exchange.

Prog,

I have had the unit for 5 days. I have my unit on the top shelf of an open rack. I haven't noticed any heat issues, but then I didn't look for them.

I saw my dealer yesterday, but I didn't see the notes about the heat issue until this morning, so I haven't talked with him about it. My Dealer is terrific. I think he will work it out so I have a loaner if my unit needs to go in for this repair.

Since you can save your settings to a Laptop, this makes swapping units pretty painless. You don't have to set everything back up again.

I will check mine for heat next time I have a long listening session, and I will watch this thread for new news on this issue. Please keep us posted of any new info.

Darrell
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post #62 of 25154
3/15/08 at 2:14pm
Well I am not too worried - but I will ask my supplier to ask the Denon rep what the situation is though. I must admit AVP does get quite warm - the POA is actually quite cool.
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post #63 of 25154
3/15/08 at 2:29pm
A very reliable source at Denon tells me that there is no recall.
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post #64 of 25154
3/15/08 at 2:30pm
I checked my unit yesterday, it was also a hot day ambient wise, while streaming audio via Sonos for some 10hours the AVP was mildly warm, I also have a couple of fans drawing air across the AVP due to it being in a rack.

In the evening we watched a couple of movies, I also had the Air Conditioning running in the HT while watching the movies, didn't bother while streaming music. This is when I notice the temp does raise considerably especially the middle back top plate of the unit. I wouldn't deem it excessive although depends on how hot the boards are getting inside and if there are other boards on top of the video, which I'm guessing there will be. The video board would be running fairly hot when it is handling video for the change in temp, and must go into standby mode when audio only is being played.
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post #65 of 25154
3/15/08 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by gimp View Post

A very reliable source at Denon tells me that there is no recall.

Did they say if there is a problem with the voltage to the video board?
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post #66 of 25154
3/15/08 at 3:05pm
Well. I haven't had a chance to read the entire thread yet, but I just got back from out of town since Wed.(my AVP A1HD came Tues) so will get it set up tonight.
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post #67 of 25154
3/15/08 at 5:29pm
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A very reliable source at Denon tells me that there is no recall.

good to hear I have asked the retailer I am getting from to check with denon and confirm
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post #68 of 25154
3/15/08 at 6:06pm
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good to hear I have asked the retailer I am getting from to check with denon and confirm

Hey Al are you purchasing yours back here in OZ or in another Country?
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post #69 of 25154
3/16/08 at 5:19am
I am surprised that Denon does not sell this piece with rack ears. I had to order a custom rack shelf from Middle Atlantic Products for the AVP to get in my rack...another $200 cost. I would think that Denon would incorporate that in the AVP and new Amp.
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post #70 of 25154
3/16/08 at 5:24am
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Originally Posted by ddimberio View Post

I am surprised that Denon does not sell this piece with rack ears. I had to order a custom rack shelf from Middle Atlantic Products for the AVP to get in my rack...another $200 cost. I would think that Denon would incorporate that in the AVP and new Amp.

I'm thinking that more people would be using this in a cabinet like salamander synergy etc. I suppose the rack option would be a good idea as an option but isn't this really for most HT? How many HTs really do racks?
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post #71 of 25154
3/16/08 at 5:30am
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Originally Posted by pentium7 View Post

I'm thinking that more people would be using this in a cabinet like salamander synergy etc. I suppose the rack option would be a good idea as an option but isn't this really for most HT? How many HTs really do racks?

All good ones Actually I think the percentage is relatively high for dedicated HTs vs media rooms & family rooms. These behemoths though challenge the physics of any rack and clearance considerations.

With the 5308 & related video and power issues I'm glad I waited the PVA out a bit (uncharacteristically).
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post #72 of 25154
3/16/08 at 5:31am
Considering the weight of just the pre, and even more so on the amp. Denon may have decided that not giving rack ears or even a option for them, was a better idea than the possibility of people dropping their units while trying to use the rack ear mounts.
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post #73 of 25154
3/16/08 at 6:02am
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

Considering the weight of just the pre, and even more so on the amp. Denon may have decided that not giving rack ears or even a option for them, was a better idea than the possibility of people dropping their units while trying to use the rack ear mounts.

Perhaps there may be some units from Denon Professional based on the AVR/AVC, AVP and POA - these units are rack mountable
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post #74 of 25154
3/16/08 at 7:00am
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

Considering the weight of just the pre, and even more so on the amp. Denon may have decided that not giving rack ears or even a option for them, was a better idea than the possibility of people dropping their units while trying to use the rack ear mounts.


Many people I know have racks in their home theaters. My Anthem P5 comes with rack ears and it weighs about the same as Denon's POA. One of my buddies has a Krell 2 channel that weighs almost 200lbs in his rack. Rack shelving units, like those from Middle Atlantic, are designed to hold hundreds and hundreds of pounds of equipment.

I am just saying they should have made it an option. Most HT pieces in this price range at least have rack-mounting as an option. No big deal though...just an observation.
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post #75 of 25154
3/16/08 at 7:29am
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Originally Posted by GoodSonics View Post

Prog,

I have had the unit for 5 days. I have my unit on the top shelf of an open rack. I haven't noticed any heat issues, but then I didn't look for them.

I saw my dealer yesterday, but I didn't see the notes about the heat issue until this morning, so I haven't talked with him about it. My Dealer is terrific. I think he will work it out so I have a loaner if my unit needs to go in for this repair.

Since you can save your settings to a Laptop, this makes swapping units pretty painless. You don't have to set everything back up again.
I will check mine for heat next time I have a long listening session, and I will watch this thread for new news on this issue. Please keep us posted of any new info.

Darrell

Hello, few days ago I finalized the purchase of the AVP especially because the dealer told me that the unit was available and ready to ship. So I bought it. A couple of days after, when I asked him to check if the unit was physically on the way, the answer was that denon just communicated him that my unit was on back order. It could be true that... the engineers are working overtime. In either case the dealer assured me that all is going to be fine. Effectively it is a good thing that they put it on hold if that's the reason.
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post #76 of 25154
3/16/08 at 9:18am
I have my unit set up and running. Easy to set up since I have been using the 3808 and the GUI is the same. Sound is very good. Watched NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN last night and the sound was excellent. I can't say that I can tell any great difference with the Realta Vs. the Reon video card. My Sony XBR2 has a great picture anyway. I think two channel audio is very good especially when I use Pure Direct. By the way have been reading the thread about the heat issue. My unit is warm on top but certainly not "hot" to touch. Maybe there won't be an issue with heat build-up after all.
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post #77 of 25154
3/16/08 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by nethomas View Post

~SNIP~
By the way have been reading the thread about the heat issue. My unit is warm on top but certainly not "hot" to touch. Maybe there won't be an issue with heat build-up after all.

Let's hope you're right. I'm guessing the video board is located somewhere in line with the HDMI connectors, or it could be lower. Therefore if it is running very hot any boards located above it will also run hot. The US models have the Tuner boards on top, the rest of us probably only have the LAN boards on top.

Hopefully we'll continue to get updates on the situation.
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post #78 of 25154
3/16/08 at 11:30pm
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Originally Posted by ddimberio View Post

Many people I know have racks in their home theaters. My Anthem P5 comes with rack ears and it weighs about the same as Denon's POA. One of my buddies has a Krell 2 channel that weighs almost 200lbs in his rack. Rack shelving units, like those from Middle Atlantic, are designed to hold hundreds and hundreds of pounds of equipment.

I am just saying they should have made it an option. Most HT pieces in this price range at least have rack-mounting as an option. No big deal though...just an observation.

Don't tell me, tell it to Denon.
All I really said was that Denon probably has their own reasons for not offering it, I only mentioned what *might be* one of their reasons.
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post #79 of 25154
3/17/08 at 6:03am
Any update on the video boards saga?
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post #80 of 25154
3/17/08 at 6:35am
I have emailed my supplier about the heat issue, but I have heard nothing back yet.

I have now ordered 2 3m lengths of QED Genesis Silver Spiral, and I intend to test the amp and speakers in the following configurations:

- Bridged Balanced mode (2 amps per channel)
- Bi-Amp mode (2 amps per channel)
- Bridged Balanced Bi-Amp mode (4 amps per channel)

I will play Dark Side Of The Moon SACD in stereo with the AVP set to pure direct. I will do this Saturday if the cable gets delivered this week, then my mate can give me a hand listening and setting it up.
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post #81 of 25154
3/17/08 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by pentium7 View Post

I'm thinking that more people would be using this in a cabinet like salamander synergy etc. I suppose the rack option would be a good idea as an option but isn't this really for most HT? How many HTs really do racks?


That's what mine is going into when it arrives (hopefully next week).
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post #82 of 25154
3/17/08 at 9:54am
I have a question: Anybody; I am running two subs, a pair of JL Audio F113. The AVP A1 HD allows you to configure 1, 2 or 3 subs. OK? Sounds like a no-brainer, however I use one of the subs as a master and the other as a slave with the first running the second. I only have one connect from the pre-pro to the first sub. Therefore should I just put in "one" on the sub menu? I'm not sure why I have pondered this so much.
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post #83 of 25154
3/17/08 at 10:03am
All,

I have a question and possibly a test I am hoping you can help with. It has to do with how the sub works with 2-CH Stereo and Direct modes.

My understanding is that for two channel music the the sub behavior is determined by the Stereo/Direct Setup Menu. I am seeing something different though.

When I put in a CD, and use Stereo mode, I get sound through the sub as expected. But when I use the Direct mode, I don't get sound through the sub. Can you help? Does your AVP do this? Is this behavior correct?

Below is how I have things set up. Note: this also happens when I stream music via the Network.

Main Setup:
Front Speakers = Small
Crossover = 60hz

Stereo/Direct Setup (Basic):
Front Speakers = Small
Crossover = 60hz

Stereo/Direct Setup (Custom):
Front Speakers = Small
Crossover = 60hz

Thanks,
Darrell
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post #84 of 25154
3/17/08 at 10:12am
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Originally Posted by nethomas View Post

I have a question: Anybody; I am running two subs, a pair of JL Audio F113. The AVP A1 HD allows you to configure 1, 2 or 3 subs. OK? Sounds like a no-brainer, however I use one of the subs as a master and the other as a slave with the first running the second. I only have one connect from the pre-pro to the first sub. Therefore should I just put in "one" on the sub menu? I'm not sure why I have pondered this so much.

Select 1 sub because you are technically using just 1 sub channel, or in other words you are using 2 subs as 1.

If you were to use L+R in the setup menu and connect both subs to the AVP, all the left channel bass (surround L, front L etc) goes to the left sub, right channel goes to the right sub, and centre and LFE go to both. This is what I inted to do!
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post #85 of 25154
3/17/08 at 10:12am
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Originally Posted by nethomas View Post

I have a question: Anybody; I am running two subs, a pair of JL Audio F113. The AVP A1 HD allows you to configure 1, 2 or 3 subs. OK? Sounds like a no-brainer, however I use one of the subs as a master and the other as a slave with the first running the second. I only have one connect from the pre-pro to the first sub. Therefore should I just put in "one" on the sub menu? I'm not sure why I have pondered this so much.

Thomas,

It has been a while since I set up my one F-112, but think it comes down to weather you want to use the sub's Auto Frequency EQ.

If you want to use that function, then I think you need to setup the subs in a Master/Slave config, and have the propro see then as one sub (one connection). This may be best if you don't use Audyssey, or another sub EQ.

If you don't use the subs Auto EQ, then I think you can use the two connections off the Prepro. This is option is probably better if you use Audyssey or and sub EQ like the Velo SMS.

Regards,
Darrell
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post #86 of 25154
3/17/08 at 10:33am
I think you are both right Darrell and Mark. I was just interested in what others had to say. I am becomming an Audyssey installer and will probably use the R&L outs with two subs and not use the ARC on the F113 but instead use the Audyssey Pro setup.
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post #87 of 25154
3/17/08 at 10:57am
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I think you are both right Darrell and Mark. I was just interested in what others had to say. I am becomming an Audyssey installer and will probably use the R&L outs with two subs and not use the ARC on the F113 but instead use the Audyssey Pro setup.

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Originally Posted by msmith_JL View Post

Holy mackerel, that thing is complicated... very cool, too. I took a look through the Denon manual and it looks like the best approach would be to connect the Fathoms individually to the left and right sub outputs via XLR cables. The bass management of the Denon is pretty darned complete so this should allow you to adjust parameters for 2 channels or multi-channel on the fly.

To set up the Fathoms, you would run ARO independently for each subwoofer (one at a time).


This is what ms_smith answered on ->
Originally Posted by stenvik
msmith_jl :

Just a question: If one have a pre/pro with 2 or 3 balanced outputs (XLR) for subwoofer, LFE left and right. What is best way to go.. have two F113 connected to each of outputs on processor or connect two f123 in a chain and one cable to processor ?

Thinking on buying denon avp-a1hd
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post #88 of 25154
3/17/08 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by nethomas View Post

I have a question: Anybody; I am running two subs, a pair of JL Audio F113. The AVP A1 HD allows you to configure 1, 2 or 3 subs. OK? Sounds like a no-brainer, however I use one of the subs as a master and the other as a slave with the first running the second. I only have one connect from the pre-pro to the first sub. Therefore should I just put in "one" on the sub menu? I'm not sure why I have pondered this so much.

I have my two subs set up the same way, with my Martin Logan Descent as the master sub and ADS MS3 sub as a slave running off the the Descent. The way I have it configured on the AVP is as one Sub, since there is only one sub pre-out being used. It has worked great this way, and this is also how I had it configured on my Sunfire TGIII. Now at some point when I get another Descent, I will then use 2 sub pre-outs and then configure it as 2 subs.



Seth
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post #89 of 25154
3/17/08 at 11:33am
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This is what ms_smith answered on ->
Originally Posted by stenvik
msmith_jl :

Just a question: If one have a pre/pro with 2 or 3 balanced outputs (XLR) for subwoofer, LFE left and right. What is best way to go.. have two F113 connected to each of outputs on processor or connect two f123 in a chain and one cable to processor ?

Thinking on buying denon avp-a1hd

As stated above, I would connect both subs individually to the AVP using SW1 (Left) and SW2 (Right) XLR connectors and then set 'Subwoofer setup/Configuration' to '2SP L/R'. That way all the left hand channel information (Surround and front L) goes to the left sub, all the right channel information (Surround and front R) goes to the right sub, and the centre and LFE are directed to both subs.

I would then use the AVP calibration routines to calibrate all the speakers, including the subs.

I intend to do this with 4×B&W 802D, an HTM1D and 2×ASW855.
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post #90 of 25154
3/17/08 at 11:35am
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Originally Posted by GoodSonics View Post

All,

I have a question and possibly a test I am hoping you can help with. It has to do with how the sub works with 2-CH Stereo and Direct modes.

My understanding is that for two channel music the the sub behavior is determined by the Stereo/Direct Setup Menu. I am seeing something different though.

When I put in a CD, and use Stereo mode, I get sound through the sub as expected. But when I use the Direct mode, I don't get sound through the sub. Can you help? Does your AVP do this? Is this behavior correct?

Below is how I have things set up. Note: this also happens when I stream music via the Network.

Main Setup:
Front Speakers = Small
Crossover = 60hz

Stereo/Direct Setup (Basic):
Front Speakers = Small
Crossover = 60hz

Stereo/Direct Setup (Custom):
Front Speakers = Small
Crossover = 60hz

Thanks,
Darrell

I experienced the same exact thing, and for the life of me couldn't understand why no bass was going to the sub. I contacted Denon tech support and what they told me to do worked. I later found it in the owners manual.

What you need to do is go into "Audio Setup" and then into 2 channel Direct/Stereo. In there you will need to select subwoofer to "On", than select "LFE+Main". These settings are for 2 channel only and will not affect any other setting you have made.



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