Official Denon AVP-A1HD/AVP-A1HDCI and POA-A1HD/POA-A1HDCI owners thread. - Page 222

Originally Posted by QueueCumber

In all Siriusness, will I need to buy any additional wires, or anything else extra in order to hook up the kit when I get it, Mark?

Originally Posted by ohyeah32

That is great to hear that you are loving your AVP as much as nearly all of us here are. In my setup the AVP has been a most welcomed addition. Streamed music is just the coolest thing, and the quality of it really makes the whole experience that much more immersive. Movies and TV programs with Audyssey really bring it to another level.

Originally Posted by QueueCumber

BTW just bought a Vudu this morning, and I'm in the process of setting it up with the Denon AVP.

Originally Posted by markrubin

you need an adapter or cable with pins on both ends to connect the RS232 cable: make sure it is straight through and not null modem

Originally Posted by markrubin

I have a Vudu XL coming in Tuesday

Originally Posted by markrubin

you need an adapter or cable with pins on both ends to connect the RS232 cable: make sure it is straight through and not null modem: other than that everything is in the kit

now: can anyone provide the RS232 codes for Sirius commands??

Originally Posted by markrubin

Q

my dealer told me I need the Vudu XL because the base unit does not accept IR commands: only works with supplied RF remote

is that what you see?

Originally Posted by QueueCumber

I just ordered the IR converter on Amazon...

Originally Posted by Aesculus

That may be. I certainly cannot tell that objectively because there are virtually no specs available on the 5308CI amp portion to compare to the older POA's. Do you have them?

Originally Posted by Franin

I really can't see that will make much of a difference. I personally beleive Audyssey is a very fragile and complex, if done correctly the benefits are there but if not it can make your system sound bad. it's happened to me quite a few times and thanks to marks(giomania) write up it sort of gave me a much better understanding of mic positions and setup procedures before beginning Audyssey. Some of the guys in this particular thread are using the PRO system which is far powerful than the basic version we get with the system. I believe with the basic version it's a good starting point but I do believe that the system can be futher improved with some tweaking over Audyssey.

Originally Posted by AbMagFab

Post a link to help others out?

Originally Posted by nucky

Tests were done in h fi news. Denon AVC A1HD-5308
8 ohm 2 channel 200w - 5 ch 160w -7ch 140w
4 ohm 2 channel 285w - 5ch 240w - 7ch 220w

Denon T3- 8300-8200
8- ohm 2 channel 120w
4- ohm 2 channel 200w

I would try different speaker cable it can change the sound.
Try the avp with audessy of.

Originally Posted by QueueCumber

What are you using to stream audio to your AVP?

I just bought an Airport express because I want to have to use Windows to stream music to the AVP. Is there any solution for Mac OSX users over TCP/IP, besides Airport Express? I would love it if there were a program that simulates the needed aspects of Windows Media Center on the OS X. Come to think of it, I could just go buy one of those virtual windows software kits and run windows on the Mac, unless there is a simpler solution.

Originally Posted by rnrgagne

I'm not enough of a videophile to know those acronyms. IVTC, YUV?
I do know that 24fps is the natural frame rate of film that movies are recorded on.

I haven't checked yet if the 3930ci I have can output 480i/24 over HDMI, but I know my Toshiba A30 can, I anticipate this being the best possible SD-DVD up-conversion one can get if your display can handle 1080p/24.

Originally Posted by jackox

DVDs are recorded in 480i60 (not 480i24, that does not existe).

Movies have 24 frames per sec, in order to broadcast them and because of US TV system, the frame rate is plit in half frames of a 3:2 cadence to built 60 half frame video signal. It is called telecine conversion.

IVTC is Invert TeleCIne (or 3:2 pulldown), that means that the procees can take 1080i60 or 480i60 and rebuilt the original 24 full frame rate.
Since not so long ago most deinterlacer would do 3:2 pulldown but would create a 60 full frame cadence, re-building the film original 24 full frame rate is quite new (the VP50 is the first VP to do that, following the XE1, the CII, VP50Pro, EDGE, XDE500 , others ? And now the AVP-A1HD).
So that is a big feature ! Very usefull on DVD and 1080i60 HDTV playback.

Originally Posted by Aesculus

Well power is not my problem. For the small room I have and 8 ohm speakers the 120 watts is certainly enough. I can never get near 0db reference level. My speaker cable is 12 gauge wire and only 10 feet long.

Now for an update. I went back in and turned on the Tone Defeat to remove the treble reduction I did not think did much good anyway. I then went back into manual equalization but instead of copying the Audyssey Flat model I went for Default which just sets every channel to 0 db. I had to set the EQ model to Manual first otherwise my next step would not result in any audible changes. I then compared this under Stereo to Direct to make sure it sounded exactly the same.

Now in Stereo mode with various songs streaming from my NAS in FLAC (16/44.1) I targeted a number of older tracks that exhibited this harshness (Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel, Tears for Fears). I played with all the channels by reducing them dramatically until I got rid of the harshness. Once I felt I found the channel that was most effected, I went back out and reset all the levels to 0db. I then went back in and set the effected channel to a level that seemed to diminish the harshness but still left all of the other channels at 0db. I also looked at the two corresponding channels and set them at half the correction of the effected channel for a smoother transition.

The thought here right now is that it's the speakers and not the amps. The amps are probably neutral in this game. The speakers (old Klipsch Horns) probably over accentuated the highs to make up for the limits on the old AVP preamp. This was most noticed around 4 khz. When I dropped the 4khz channel by 3db it seemed to warm up the audio considerably. The two adjacent channels were dropped by 1.5 db. It still felt full and rich but seemed to reduce and in many cases eliminate the harshness.

We will run it for a few days using this method. So far the wife thinks it's a good improvement and just needs a few days to settle in.

I am still curious why the Audyssey modes sound so flat and also don't deal with this harshness. I know that Audyssey Flat is supposed to be used for music but I must say that Direct (Stereo in my case now with Manual EQ) sounds much fuller and richer. I think I might go off to the Audyssey thread and seek guidance over there.

For now I am still in the hunt for the next 48 hours while I try this new method.

Originally Posted by progprog

Thanks for that helpful explanation! I didn't get why that was a big deal, but now I see its value. Maybe I'll give the AVP another shot at upscaling SD-DVDs.

Originally Posted by jackox

DVDs are recorded in 480i60 (not 480i24, that does not existe).

Movies have 24 frames per sec, in order to broadcast them and because of US TV system, the frame rate is plit in half frames of a 3:2 cadence to built 60 half frame video signal. It is called telecine conversion.

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Originally Posted by ohyeah32

Very cool Jonathan! That is great to hear that all went well. I myself also plan on doing the update very soon. Also good to know that it didn't affect any of your settings. Congrats on the successful update!


Seth

Originally Posted by JonFo

Are you sure?

This goes aginst this: "DVDs, however, are capable of storing the native 24p frames. Every Hollywood movie is laid to disc as a 24p"

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24p

Also, my own experience playing DVD's on my HTPC at 48hz to my CRT show that the framerate on disc is indeed 24 fps as pans and other horizontal motion artifacts are much reduced at 48hz vs 60hz.

Originally Posted by ohyeah32

I'm using WMP11, and it has worked flawlessly for me. .WAV, FLAC, and WMA Lossless all play without a hitch.

But since you're using a Mac, things are a bit different. And as you said if you were to use WMP, you'd have to get a Windows software kit and run Windows on your Mac.

I think Airport Express should work very well for your needs. I believe other AVP owners here use it and are very happy with it. Once you get it set up let us know how it works for you.


Seth

Originally Posted by jackox

DVDs are recorded in 480i60 (not 480i24, that does not existe).

Movies have 24 frames per sec, in order to broadcast them and because of US TV system, the frame rate is plit in half frames of a 3:2 cadence to built 60 half frame video signal. It is called telecine conversion.

IVTC is Invert TeleCIne (or 3:2 pulldown), that means that the procees can take 1080i60 or 480i60 and rebuilt the original 24 full frame rate.
Since not so long ago most deinterlacer would do 3:2 pulldown but would create a 60 full frame cadence, re-building the film original 24 full frame rate is quite new (the VP50 is the first VP to do that, following the XE1, the CII, VP50Pro, EDGE, XDE500 , others ? And now the AVP-A1HD).
So that is a big feature ! Very usefull on DVD and 1080i60 HDTV playback.

Originally Posted by rnrgagne

So when the Toshiba HD DVD player is outputting 480i/24 it has done a conversion from 480i/60? I wonder what the point of that is?

No HD-DVD ouputed 480i/24 from DVD playback, where does that come from ?

Also isn't video based HDTV's native FR 60hz, so 1080i/60 should only be converted to 24 for film based material right?

Yes film based only can be converted to 24Hz.
But they should be from a 3:2 convertion and no varispeed cadence (the cadence alteration to fill in advertising ... dunno if you have that kind of stuff on HDTV broadcast like on SD ... maybe not anymore at all ?!