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post #6751 of 25090
10/7/08 at 4:34pm
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Are you sure that the hard power switch (the smaller one) is depressed? This is a classic Homer.

Thanks, Wilfred...but the hard power switch is toggled correctly.
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post #6752 of 25090
10/7/08 at 6:55pm
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Hi all...

I thought I'd check here as a long shot to see if I'm overlooking something on what appears to be an AVP that is DOA.

After several months of delays, my HT install finally began the past Sunday. As usual with these kinds of things the installers and I ran into a few delays, and we finally finished up a little while ago.

Unfortunately, the AVP appears to be dead. No red ring for standby...nothing. All other equipment in the rack fires up just fine. Switched out power cords...nothing. Switched power sources (i.e., different circuit)...nothing.

Installer called around for any info regarding where a fuse might be located or other ideas. No one seemed to know if there is a fuse that can be reset by pulling off the top panel...but even then I'm concerned about pulling off the top panel and voiding the warranty. Besides, pulling this thing out of the rack will be a major excercise that I probably wouldn't be able to get to until this weekend.

Unless someone has another trouble shooting idea, I suppose my next step is to my dealer (who unfortunately isn't local)? Or would it be better to call Denon directly?

Thanks,

-Dean

Dean,
I had the same problem, my dealer had a contact in the service center.
we opened the bottom of AVP A1HDCI ( ~12 philips screws)
there was a pcb board which ran across which was loose, just snapped that in and walla, AVP powered up.
This is the cause in transportation...the pcb board got loose.
Hope this helps and you can revive your DOA
regards
DrManny
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post #6753 of 25090
10/7/08 at 7:28pm
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Originally Posted by drmanny View Post

Dean,
I had the same problem, my dealer had a contact in the service center.
we opened the bottom of AVP A1HDCI ( ~12 philips screws)
there was a pcb board which ran across which was loose, just snapped that in and walla, AVP powered up.
This is the cause in transportation...the pcb board got loose.
Hope this helps and you can revive your DOA
regards
DrManny

Great info, DrManny...thanks. This is something that would certainly be worth a try. In fact, my installer had wanted to get into the case but I was hesitant because of warranty issues. We probably would have taken the top off and poked around. I wouldn't have thought about inverting it and going in from the bottom.

I've talked to my dealer this evening and he's going to call Denon in the morning. I'll pass your comments on to him and see if he can check to be sure it wouldn't cause a wrinkle with Denon. Although, if done properly I can't see how one could tell if it's been opened.

Really appreciate your response here, Manny. With any luck it may save having to ship this heavy unit.

-Dean
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post #6754 of 25090
10/7/08 at 7:50pm
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Originally Posted by orologio View Post

Hi JonFo, I visited your website and I am impressed by the sophistication of your system.
As result I am now curious about two things.

-DBX: how come you choose to have an external processor when you have the AVP and Audyssey Pro available?
-buttkicker: can it be set to be activated only for movies and not for music- How does it feel when you listen to music anyway?

Thanks for sharing

Welcome, it's been ever evolving for a decade and half. And I'm about at the point where it's really, really good

I've been running speaker processors for many years as both my active speaker crossovers and my room correction EQ.

The DBX DriveRack series is pretty awesome and can do many tricks. And they are essentially part of my speakers (the crossover/Delay/EQ). More details on my Bass Management page.

These days, I primarily use them for basic speaker crossovers in my all active, bi-amped setup.
I do use them for EQ in the low bass for the IB Sub and some for the front (L/C/R) mid-bass drivers.
But I flat lined the EQ's for the highs when I got the AVP, as Audyssey pro does a much better job at EQ and phase management than the DBX does.

In my setup, I use the DriveRack to generate the Buttkicker feed as a clone from my Sub feed. But I add volume limiting, custom EQ and custom delay to it before I feed the actual BK amp.

I can dynamically turn it on and off via GUI-based switches on the DriveRack software, or via my automation interface.

As for using for music, it's fine on certain types of music, but I turn it off for most. Never use it for classical or Jazz
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post #6755 of 25090
10/7/08 at 11:05pm
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Very cool! Sounds like you found the perfect solution for your needs. Airport Express in combination with Airfoil sounds like a true dream team. Thanks for sharing.


Seth

Keep in mind you can also do this with a AppleTV, Once you select a AppleTV as speaker in any of your itunes/osx/xp applications it will mute the already running music and start playing the incoming stream.

This way you have best of both, all the nice things of the appletv we already talked about and streaming from incoming machines (who can also be shared ofcourse).

Apple slowly gave us a whole range of tricks to use, most can now be controlled by the remote app.

Daniel.
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post #6756 of 25090
10/8/08 at 12:19am
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Well guys, here is the new seating. And yes it is as comfortable as it looks. I tried out the Buttkicker feature (using the "Transducer" option in the AVP) and it worked great! I had to fiddle with the settings a bit as initially it was a bit too much and it was a bit distracting instead of complimenting. I still need to fine tune it but now it really adds to the whole experience. I haven't yet tried it with music, so I don't know if I will like it with that or not.


Seth



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post #6757 of 25090
10/8/08 at 12:52am
Those look buttery soft, Seth. I feel a nap comin' on...

Congrats on your new furniture, mi amigo!
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post #6758 of 25090
10/8/08 at 1:21am
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

Those look buttery soft, Seth. I feel a nap comin' on...

Congrats on your new furniture, mi amigo!

Thanks.

Yeah they are super comfy.ZZzz
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post #6759 of 25090
10/8/08 at 1:24am
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Keep in mind you can also do this with a AppleTV, Once you select a AppleTV as speaker in any of your itunes/osx/xp applications it will mute the already running music and start playing the incoming stream.

This way you have best of both, all the nice things of the appletv we already talked about and streaming from incoming machines (who can also be shared ofcourse).

Apple slowly gave us a whole range of tricks to use, most can now be controlled by the remote app.

Daniel.

Another great option for AVP owners to know about. Thanks for sharing that!
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post #6760 of 25090
10/8/08 at 2:40am
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Well guys, here is the new seating. And yes it is as comfortable as it looks. I tried out the Buttkicker feature (using the "Transducer" option in the AVP) and it worked great! I had to fiddle with the settings a bit as initially it was a bit too much and it was a bit distracting instead of complimenting. I still need to fine tune it but now it really adds to the whole experience. I haven't yet tried it with music, so I don't know if I will like it with that or not.

Seth congrats, they look great !

The BK volume is something you need to play around with until its just right for you. Good thing the AVP gives us a +/-12dB range on the transducer output (plus the BK's own amp volume control).
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post #6761 of 25090
10/8/08 at 3:33am
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Well guys, here is the new seating. And yes it is as comfortable as it looks. I tried out the Buttkicker feature (using the "Transducer" option in the AVP) and it worked great! I had to fiddle with the settings a bit as initially it was a bit too much and it was a bit distracting instead of complimenting. I still need to fine tune it but now it really adds to the whole experience. I haven't yet tried it with music, so I don't know if I will like it with that or not.


Seth





Very nice Seth, Congratulations mate.
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post #6762 of 25090
10/8/08 at 4:39am
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

The difference is a little more than where they are made. A star-quad design like the Canare uses twisted pairs, yielding the better noise rejection characteristics. The Belden uses single-wire conductors. But I think they are both excellent cables and I wouldn't expect to hear any difference in actual use. The Canare would probably be a better choice for a "noisy" environment (for example, where lots of other cables, especially power cables, run parallel with the interconnects...). I personally use a star-quad design (not Canare though) in my XLRs, but I'd be comfortable with either type.

P.S. In both cases, Blue Jeans terminates the raw cable at their shop here in

Seattle.

Hi Prog,

Ok then......is there any issue with using low-capacitance cable (Beldon), vs the higher capacitance cable (Canare)?

Thanks!

John
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post #6763 of 25090
10/8/08 at 11:04am
ohyeah32,
What is "Transducer" option in the AVP? Can you please explain?
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post #6764 of 25090
10/8/08 at 12:03pm
It looks like I've got a little reading to do .

My AVP is scheduled to arrive this coming Tuesday. I got what I believe is a KILLER deal on it (assuming it's in good shape). I got a customer return from an authorized dealer with full warranty, free shipping, and for about half of MSRP. They couldn't give me any info on the cosmetic condition, but I've got 7 days to return it if I'm not happy and would only be out the return shipping. This is replacing my Lexicon MC-12B EQ V5.

Now the big question is: should I have gotten the matching POA amplifier (same deal - customer return, free shipping, full warranty, about 1/2 of MSRP) or should I stick with my Krell KAV-250a/3 (x2) and Krell KAV-250a amplifiers? At this price, I could sell all of my Krell amps and come out ahead financially, but I'll only do this if I'd gain something (other than 2 extra channels of amplification). Speakers are B&W 800 Matrix series 802's (front left / right), HTM (center), and 804's (surround left / right and rear left / right).
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post #6765 of 25090
10/8/08 at 12:11pm
Well, I'm prejudiced, but I'd get the amp also. The combo in my rack is the best sound I have ever had in my HT.
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post #6766 of 25090
10/8/08 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by nethomas View Post

Well, I'm prejudiced, but I'd get the amp also. The combo in my rack is the best sound I have ever had in my HT.

Thanks for the quick reply - what have you had in the past to compare the combo to? I'm pretty happy with the Krell amps and would have to juggle finances a bit for the short term to do this - I'd want to buy the amp soon while they still have it in stock (I doubt they have more than 1 customer return in stock) rather than waiting until I sell my current amps.
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post #6767 of 25090
10/8/08 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by iolair View Post

Hi Prog,

Ok then......is there any issue with using low-capacitance cable (Beldon), vs the higher capacitance cable (Canare)?

Thanks!

John

Hey John, here's my understanding of the trade-off: capacitance only becomes a factor in very long cable runs, just as noise rejection becomes more important in long cable runs. In most of our home theater applications, our cables are short enough (a few meters at most) that neither of these are significant factors.

I choose the twisted-pair design using the following logic: my cable runs are no where near long enough for capacitance to be a consideration at all. While it's unlikely that EMI or RFI (electromagnetic and radio frequency interference) are significant in my environment either, I lose nothing to capacitance issues by choosing the cable with the best possible noise rejection characteristics. Is this necessary? Probably not. Does it hurt? No. As you mentioned, the price is very similar, and since I buy raw cable and terminate it myself, it's even lower. So basically, I'm just pursuing that extra level of overkill that we HT addicts so enjoy!

You can use either cable with excellent results. (I do suggest that you carefully measure your runs before you order, and remember that XLR connectors stick out straight about three inches from the back of each component. Factor that in if you're trying to get your lengths exact, and when positioning your equipment.)
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post #6768 of 25090
10/8/08 at 12:30pm
When I first got the AVP I was using a Gemstone and it sounded very good. I also got a good deal on the POA so bought it and sold the gemstone. Although the gemstone was very good, the POA is a step above. I have also used B&K(sound good) Adcom(so-so) and Proceed(very Sterile), but none of those were used with the AVP.
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post #6769 of 25090
10/8/08 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Thanks for the quick reply - what have you had in the past to compare the combo to? I'm pretty happy with the Krell amps and would have to juggle finances a bit for the short term to do this - I'd want to buy the amp soon while they still have it in stock (I doubt they have more than 1 customer return in stock) rather than waiting until I sell my current amps.

Many of us here use other amps other than the POA. Only a couple instances of "lower-end" amps not blending well with the AVP have come up. And your Krells are certainly not low-end, so I bet they'd sound great. One drawback of the POA, just for my application, was that I like the flexibility of putting the amps a little closer to their speakers, and the POA, a beheamoth that I probably couldn't move on my own, centralizes the amp duties in one unit. This is more a logistical issue than anything else, but I just thought I'd bring it up in case that's a consideration for you.

Congrats on the great deal, BTW!!
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post #6770 of 25090
10/8/08 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Hey John, here's my understanding of the trade-off: capacitance only becomes a factor in very long cable runs, just as noise rejection becomes more important in long cable runs. In most of our home theater applications, our cables are short enough (a few meters at most) that neither of these are significant factors.

I choose the twisted-pair design using the following logic: my cable runs are no where near long enough for capacitance to be a consideration at all. While it's unlikely that EMI or RFI (electromagnetic and radio frequency interference) are significant in my environment either, I lose nothing to capacitance issues by choosing the cable with the best possible noise rejection characteristics. Is this necessary? Probably not. Does it hurt? No. As you mentioned, the price is very similar, and since I buy raw cable and terminate it myself, it's even lower. So basically, I'm just pursuing that extra level of overkill that we HT addicts so enjoy!

You can use either cable with excellent results. (I do suggest that you carefully measure your runs before you order, and remember that XLR connectors stick out straight about three inches from the back of each component. Factor that in if you're trying to get your lengths exact, and when positioning your equipment.)

Good stuff Prog...........thanks man!

John
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post #6771 of 25090
10/8/08 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Many of us here use other amps other than the POA. Only a couple instances of "lower-end" amps not blending well with the AVP have come up. And your Krells are certainly not low-end, so I bet they'd sound great. One drawback of the POA, just for my application, was that I like the flexibility of putting the amps a little closer to their speakers, and the POA, a beheamoth that I probably couldn't move on my own, centralizes the amp duties in one unit. This is more a logistical issue than anything else, but I just thought I'd bring it up in case that's a consideration for you.

I'm really only considering the POA because it would be a great deal as long as the cosmetic condition is fine. The placement flexibility really isn't a concern as my current amps are all in the same rack right now rather than being closer to the speakers they drive (though this could change to some degree when I eventually upgrade my behemoth Mits RPTV and gain storage underneath the new TV which would allow me to spread things out a bit). Making the switch would gain me some vertical cabinet space - the POA would roughly take up the space of 2 of the current amps, but might create a depth problem as the rack my amps are in is a Salamander Archetype 5.0 and probably isn't deep enough for the POA.

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Congrats on the great deal, BTW!!

Thanks - I was shocked when I stumbled on it. I wasn't really planning on making the upgrade just yet as I was also considering the Anthem D2V2 (not out yet) and was just looking around for info and to get a feel for how one can do for price on the AVP. When I saw this, I figured I'd be a fool to pass it up. Given the timing, I'm saying it's my birthday present to myself (my birthday is next week) and my coworkers are asking if I'll be getting them birthday gifts too .
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post #6772 of 25090
10/8/08 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

It looks like I've got a little reading to do .

My AVP is scheduled to arrive this coming Tuesday. I got what I believe is a KILLER deal on it (assuming it's in good shape). I got a customer return from an authorized dealer with full warranty, free shipping, and for about half of MSRP. They couldn't give me any info on the cosmetic condition, but I've got 7 days to return it if I'm not happy and would only be out the return shipping. This is replacing my Lexicon MC-12B EQ V5.

Now the big question is: should I have gotten the matching POA amplifier (same deal - customer return, free shipping, full warranty, about 1/2 of MSRP) or should I stick with my Krell KAV-250a/3 (x2) and Krell KAV-250a amplifiers? At this price, I could sell all of my Krell amps and come out ahead financially, but I'll only do this if I'd gain something (other than 2 extra channels of amplification). Speakers are B&W 800 Matrix series 802's (front left / right), HTM (center), and 804's (surround left / right and rear left / right).

I would stick with your Krell amps. Now, what was the name / number of that dealer?
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post #6773 of 25090
10/8/08 at 1:34pm
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

I would stick with your Krell amps. Now, what was the name / number of that dealer?

Hmm, not sure if you're saying I really should stick with the Krell amps and reveal my source so some other lucky person can get a deal on the POA amp OR if you're trying to trick me into giving up the deal and that I really shouldn't keep my current amps. Keep in mind that these are the "baby" KAV series amps, not the monster FPB series amps. If I do decide to pass on the POA, I have no problem sharing the name of the dealer so someone else can get a crack at the POA.
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post #6774 of 25090
10/8/08 at 1:42pm
Why not get the POA and see how it sounds compared to the Krell and send it back if you don't like it? By the way, I had a D1 and it doesn't sound nearly as a good as the AVP. Now the D2 with ARC might be a different horse, so don't any fan boys jump me here. I had a Krell KAV integrated amp once and it really sounded good. I used it just in a 2-channel setup.
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10/8/08 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

It looks like I've got a little reading to do .

My AVP is scheduled to arrive this coming Tuesday. I got what I believe is a KILLER deal on it (assuming it's in good shape). I got a customer return from an authorized dealer with full warranty, free shipping, and for about half of MSRP. They couldn't give me any info on the cosmetic condition, but I've got 7 days to return it if I'm not happy and would only be out the return shipping. This is replacing my Lexicon MC-12B EQ V5.

Now the big question is: should I have gotten the matching POA amplifier (same deal - customer return, free shipping, full warranty, about 1/2 of MSRP) or should I stick with my Krell KAV-250a/3 (x2) and Krell KAV-250a amplifiers? At this price, I could sell all of my Krell amps and come out ahead financially, but I'll only do this if I'd gain something (other than 2 extra channels of amplification). Speakers are B&W 800 Matrix series 802's (front left / right), HTM (center), and 804's (surround left / right and rear left / right).

I have 2 Krell amps, the FPB300 and KAV1500, I'm using with my AVP. I'll tell you, it rocks! Everything is hooked up with XLR balanced connections and I'm a happy camper.
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post #6776 of 25090
10/8/08 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by nethomas View Post

Why not get the POA and see how it sounds compared to the Krell and send it back if you don't like it?

I considered that, but the cost of shipping the POA back would probably be around $130 or so - not a fortune, but I'd want to be pretty confident that I'd want to keep the POA before ordering it.

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I have 2 Krell amps, the FPB300 and KAV1500, I'm using with my AVP. I'll tell you, it rocks! Everything is hooked up with XLR balanced connections and I'm a happy camper.

I think that's good enough for me. I have no complaints at all with my current amps, so it probably makes sense to just stick with them.

If anyone is interested in grabbing the amp, you can find it at Vann's (assuming nobody else beats you to it). No need for me to get greedy and take both good deals .
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post #6777 of 25090
10/8/08 at 5:24pm
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Originally Posted by Shutterman View Post

Hi all...

I thought I'd check here as a long shot to see if I'm overlooking something on what appears to be an AVP that is DOA.

After several months of delays, my HT install finally began the past Sunday. As usual with these kinds of things the installers and I ran into a few delays, and we finally finished up a little while ago.

Unfortunately, the AVP appears to be dead. No red ring for standby...nothing. All other equipment in the rack fires up just fine. Switched out power cords...nothing. Switched power sources (i.e., different circuit)...nothing.

Installer called around for any info regarding where a fuse might be located or other ideas. No one seemed to know if there is a fuse that can be reset by pulling off the top panel...but even then I'm concerned about pulling off the top panel and voiding the warranty. Besides, pulling this thing out of the rack will be a major excercise that I probably wouldn't be able to get to until this weekend.

Unless someone has another trouble shooting idea, I suppose my next step is to my dealer (who unfortunately isn't local)? Or would it be better to call Denon directly?

Thanks,

-Dean

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Originally Posted by drmanny View Post

Dean,
I had the same problem, my dealer had a contact in the service center.
we opened the bottom of AVP A1HDCI ( ~12 philips screws)
there was a pcb board which ran across which was loose, just snapped that in and walla, AVP powered up.
This is the cause in transportation...the pcb board got loose.
Hope this helps and you can revive your DOA
regards
DrManny

Thanks to DrManny, my formerly DOA AVP has officially come to life! My problem was exactly the same as his.

As I told DrManny in my PM to him, that if he hadn't seen my post and hadn't had the kindness to reply to it, I most assuredly would have had to ship it off for service. Not only that, but it would have caused complications for Jeff Meier of Accucal who's scheduled to be here this coming Tuesday. Jeff already has his hotel booked, etc, and it just would have been a mess.

The folks that participate in this thread are indeed a wonderful group. It's a great feeling to know that in spite of what we see going on in the world today, there are still folks around that are interested in lending their fellow human being a helping hand.

-Dean
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post #6778 of 25090
10/8/08 at 6:10pm
Dean,
Glad to hear you got 'er up & runnin.

I have to also agree, it is nice to see some "I get by with a little help from my friends" in this world.
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post #6779 of 25090
10/8/08 at 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by Shutterman View Post

Thanks to DrManny, my formerly DOA AVP has officially come to life! My problem was exactly the same as his.

As I told DrManny in my PM to him, that if he hadn't seen my post and hadn't had the kindness to reply to it, I most assuredly would have had to ship it off for service. Not only that, but it would have caused complications for Jeff Meier of Accucal who's scheduled to be here this coming Tuesday. Jeff already has his hotel booked, etc, and it just would have been a mess.

The folks that participate in this thread are indeed a wonderful group. It's a great feeling to know that in spite of what we see going on in the world today, there are still folks around that are interested in lending their fellow human being a helping hand.

-Dean

Thats great news! It just makes me think I wonder how many shipped it to service not knowing that was a problem easily fixed.
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post #6780 of 25090
10/8/08 at 9:25pm
It appears there is a major FW update that include Dynamic Volume with some other updates. I have read through the forum to try and catch up. Does this update cause any problems? Any thoughts or reasons not to get the update? Thanks in advance.

On another note for gsr, I have Krell amps (TAS and 2250) and love the sound. I replaced my HTS 7.1 with the AVP and am pleased with the sound but somewhat overwhelmed with it's capaility. It has a very favorable sound to the Krell processor in the areas of dynamics and detail. Also built like a Krell!

KrellAV
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