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post #6901 of 25097
10/16/08 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

just curious how many servers would you say Denon has for consumers to update? Because there was another update and as usual around 43 minutes updating it gets stuck. I guess they must know that people get stalled with these updates and by knowing that you think that they should provide more servers.It really annoys me.

The following Denon change log for mid-October update:

1)Translation mistake in German and other languages.

2)The GUI and OSD of the A/V amplifier doesn't operate correctly when the A/V amplifier is connected with "iPhone 3G".

3)Improvement of the Audyssey Dynamic Volume function. (For only PAY-Upgraded models.)
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post #6902 of 25097
10/16/08 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by captavs View Post

The following Denon change log for mid-October update:

1)Translation mistake in German and other languages.

2)The GUI and OSD of the A/V amplifier doesn't operate correctly when the A/V amplifier is connected with "iPhone 3G".

3)Improvement of the Audyssey Dynamic Volume function. (For only PAY-Upgraded models.)

Can I ask where do you get your log from? Im looking at the Japn website and cannot seem to find a thing.
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post #6903 of 25097
10/16/08 at 8:46am
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

just curious how many servers would you say Denon has for consumers to update? Because there was another update and as usual around 43 minutes updating it gets stuck. I guess they must know that people get stalled with these updates and by knowing that you think that they should provide more servers.It really annoys me.

I have no idea but I just keep getting "Connection Failed" messages when I check for updates.
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post #6904 of 25097
10/16/08 at 8:54am
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Originally Posted by JonFo View Post

So bottom line, I'd use a digital link if available, and Recommend a DenonLink for highest performance.

I don't have a Denon player so I can't take advantage of the DenonLink. I have one player hooked up via digital coax and another via HDMI.
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post #6905 of 25097
10/16/08 at 9:28am
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Can I ask where do you get your log from? Im looking at the Japn website and cannot seem to find a thing.

Takes time for Japan website to update
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post #6906 of 25097
10/16/08 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by the rick View Post

Do anyone know of any units beside McIntosh that use an analog volume control? I have no idea why I care but this jogged my memory of an old argument I got into that never got proved

Theta Casablanca always had an analog volume control and full analog bypass.
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post #6907 of 25097
10/16/08 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Can I ask where do you get your log from? Im looking at the Japn website and cannot seem to find a thing.

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Takes time for Japan website to update

But what is your source, captavs? You've kinda become the source around here for details about firmware changes, which is greatly appreciated, but we can't seem to find this info anywhere else. So we're just wondering where it comes from.
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post #6908 of 25097
10/16/08 at 10:45am
I like to know, before I begin updating.it will be nice if there is a site where we can go to before we update.
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post #6909 of 25097
10/16/08 at 12:13pm
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But what is your source, captavs? You've kinda become the source around here for details about firmware changes, which is greatly appreciated, but we can't seem to find this info anywhere else. So we're just wondering where it comes from.

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I like to know, before I begin updating.it will be nice if there is a site where we can go to before we update.

Ask Gene from Audioholics if he has any change log. Your Wiki has info from Gene as well.
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post #6910 of 25097
10/16/08 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by captavs View Post

The following Denon change log for mid-October update:

1)Translation mistake in German and other languages.

2)The GUI and OSD of the A/V amplifier doesn't operate correctly when the A/V amplifier is connected with "iPhone 3G".

3)Improvement of the Audyssey Dynamic Volume function. (For only PAY-Upgraded models.)

I just want to say that I "really" appreciate you sharing this info with us here. All of the past update info you have shared with us has been spot on with what Gene has provided. So I have no doubt that this info is indeed accurate.

Thanks again.


Seth
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post #6911 of 25097
10/16/08 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Seth i am so happy you also got this bug now , I was missing the whole community feeling around this bug and wondering why i was alone in finding it. Feel much better now.

If (and it sounds like it) its the same bug its not audessey itself that is the problem but Dynamic EQ see the video if you turn that off its fine.

I think i know how to trigger it and after ive rebuild my home setup and saved it again ill try if i can 'screw it up' again. Once its screwed up the bug stays until you start from zero again.

Very good that you mailed it to Gene, in the past i have talked to Jeff a few times and if needed will provide him with mode info. lets keep both ways open since i am not sure how quickly the dutch denon route will go (they are still thinking if they want to sell the volume upgrade at all, amazing).

Also its not just related to DTS i had it on multiple input and connection types (optical, hdmi, analog) and even in direct and pure-direct if you also use audessey on these modes.

Daniel.

I still need to verify and see if what I experienced is indeed the same issue that you are having. So far, other than the "one" incident with a streamed DTS Surround track, everything else is working great. I have tried all of my connected audio inputs and all are issue free so far. I have watched over 7 Blu-ray movies since the update and with Audyssey fully engaged not once has the volume spiked. So I'm still sticking to my theory that the volume spike I experienced was do to Audyssey kicking in abruptly on multichannel from a 2 channel Direct (or Pure Direct) state.

If this is indeed the case, then it's still no less of a potential problem. As I should be able to listen to DTS Surround while streaming without the need to worry that the volume is going to spike all of a sudden if it goes from a 2 channel track to DTS surround with Audyssey on. I should also bring this up to Chris on the Audyssey thread and see what he has to say.

But for the moment I am only going to listen to 2 channel material when streaming. And just to be safe I also turned Audyssey off for Net/USB.


BTW I tried to view that video you have showing the volume issue on your AVP, but only showed "page error" when I downloaded. I don't know why.



Seth
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post #6912 of 25097
10/16/08 at 12:56pm
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Well at least we know its a firmware issue. Hopefully Denon can respond quickly.

Yeah I'm pretty sure that it's a firmware issue. And once Denon is aware of it and what it's doing, then they can find a fix for it. Until then, since I only have 3 DTS surround CD's, if I can't listen to those three albums via streaming, no biggie. I have 600 non DTS CD's I can still enjoy!
Now if I had like 40 or 50 DTS encoded CD's that I wanted to stream, well then that's another story.

But like I was telling Daniel, every other source so far has been issue free. Satellite, DVD, HD DVD, and Blu-ray, are all working just fine with Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume.

Speaking of Dynamic Volume, I watched Indiana Jones IV last night and it was an awesome listening experience! Talk about a stunner of a soundtrack! And not once during the whole film did I have to turn up the volume to hear the dialog, and at all times the sound effects never overpowered the dialog.

I am impressed with what Dynamic Volume does.


Seth
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post #6913 of 25097
10/16/08 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

I just want to say that I "really" appreciate you sharing this info with us here. All of the past update info you have shared with us has been spot on with what Gene has provided. So I have no doubt that this info is indeed accurate.

Thanks again.
Seth

I absolutely agree, Seth. The info has proven accurate and it's greatly appreciated.

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Originally Posted by captavs View Post

Ask Gene from Audioholics if he has any change log. Your Wiki has info from Gene as well.

But why so secretive about the source? Obviously, the info must be published somewhere, if Gene and captavs have access to it. I'm merely suggesting that many AVP owners would like to access this information at its source, at their convenience.
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post #6914 of 25097
10/16/08 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

BTW I tried to view that video you have showing the volume issue on your AVP, but only showed "page error" when I downloaded. I don't know why.

Seth

I was able to download it (it took quite a while), but it only played audio.
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post #6915 of 25097
10/16/08 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

I was able to download it (it took quite a while), but it only played audio.

How weird but for you people ill reencode it and try again

new h.264, http://www.xs4all.nl/~daniel/ht/avpbug2.mp4

Daniel.
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post #6916 of 25097
10/16/08 at 2:30pm
Whatever you did, Daniel, it downloaded much faster, but still no video. That's okay, though, because I was able to hear the volume jump (and you quickly rescuing your equipment...). So is the consensus that this is a Dynamic Volume issue?
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post #6917 of 25097
10/16/08 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

I absolutely agree, Seth. The info has proven accurate and it's greatly appreciated.



But why so secretive about the source? Obviously, the info must be published somewhere, if Gene and captavs have access to it. I'm merely suggesting that many AVP owners would like to access this information at its source, at their convenience.

My source prefers to be unnamed.

Cheers, captavs
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post #6918 of 25097
10/16/08 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by captavs View Post

My source prefers to be unnamed.

Cheers, captavs

Can you at least clarify why this information should be "classified?" Just seems bizarre to me that every owner doesn't get this info from Denon with every update notification. As Frank said, it makes sense to be able to check these things before deciding whether we want to run an update.
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post #6919 of 25097
10/16/08 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Whatever you did, Daniel, it downloaded much faster, but still no video. That's okay, though, because I was able to hear the volume jump (and you quickly rescuing your equipment...). So is the consensus that this is a Dynamic Volume issue?

I did let someone else download it, you just need a good mp4 player . No its NOT Dynamic Volume its Dynamic EQ. I do think it triggers something in Dynamic Volume. Why simple my avp doesn't have Dynamic Volume yet, denon in netherlands is still thinking about it.

For you in the video you see me turn on/off dynamic eq. Ill make a wmv for you .

http://www.xs4all.nl/~daniel/ht/avpbug.wmv

Daniel.
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post #6920 of 25097
10/16/08 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

How weird but for you people ill reencode it and try again

new h.264, http://www.xs4all.nl/~daniel/ht/avpbug2.mp4

Daniel.

I downloaded it just now and it seems to work ok........audio+video.

John
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post #6921 of 25097
10/16/08 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Can you at least clarify why this information should be "classified?" Just seems bizarre to me that every owner doesn't get this info from Denon with every update notification. As Frank said, it makes sense to be able to check these things before deciding whether we want to run an update.

Infact in the next version they should DISPLAY this on the screen before you hit 'upgrade'.

Daniel.
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post #6922 of 25097
10/16/08 at 2:49pm
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Infact in the next version they should DISPLAY this on the screen before you hit 'upgrade'.

Daniel.

YES! This is exactly what I have been waiting for!
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post #6923 of 25097
10/16/08 at 2:58pm
The AVP-A1HDs with the October upgrade already included now shipping?
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post #6924 of 25097
10/16/08 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

YES! This is exactly what I have been waiting for!

Heck I'm looking forward to the day I wake up and the computer says "work is done enjoy the day"
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post #6925 of 25097
10/16/08 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by captavs View Post

Heck I'm looking forward to the day I wake up and the computer says "work is done enjoy the day"

As a ex programmer i can make that for you if you want no problem .

I hope you do agree that that is the best place to but the change log no?

Daniel.
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post #6926 of 25097
10/16/08 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

As a ex programmer i can make that for you if you want no problem .

I hope you do agree that that is the best place to but the change log no?

Daniel.

Ha... more programming more work
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post #6927 of 25097
10/16/08 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by captavs View Post

Ha... more programming more work

he i would just put up the message i would not make any claims about the content of the message itself.

I do notice that you sortof skip our questions could it be you work on the firmware ?. If you don't reply on this we assume thats a fact ok

Daniel.
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post #6928 of 25097
10/16/08 at 3:21pm
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

he i would just put up the message i would not make any claims about the content of the message itself.

I do notice that you sortof skip our questions could it be you work on the firmware ?. If you don't reply on this we assume thats a fact ok

Daniel.

Assume whatever you want.
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post #6929 of 25097
10/16/08 at 4:24pm
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Originally Posted by JonFo View Post

Well I got a Denon player because wanted all digital link for all content, including CD's.

The AVP's DAC's are always in-circuit as far as I can tell. So whatever you hear, it's gone through the AVP's DAC's.

Many pages ago, the question of whether the AVP had a pure analog bypass mode came up, I challenged it, and no one as refuted it.

So bottom line, I'd use a digital link if available, and Recommend a DenonLink for highest performance.

I think I remember making the point that Denon state explicitly that the AVP does have full analog bypass.
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post #6930 of 25097
10/16/08 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

I wonder what happened to Tassop and even Mark B? Have not seen them around for awhile.

I have been on holidays ( mostly on a cruise ship in the Mediterranean). Just got back. It looks like I have a bit of catching up to do!
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