Official Denon AVP-A1HD/AVP-A1HDCI and POA-A1HD/POA-A1HDCI owners thread. - Page 247

Sorry mate I was being sarcastic becasue personally to make a statement saying that the Dali was better than those selected speakers and saying and the other ones come close was quite silly. When it comes to speakers it becomes a personal choice, speakers have there own charaterisitcs which appeal different individuals. And your right together with a good system can sound fabulous.

That is a +1000 !

The best HT French integrators replaced MC12HD by the AVP and were very impressed by it !
I do believe the AVP is even better with 2 channels, I find the MC12 a little flat to my taste, while the AVP is not that colorfull but keeps the warth and dynamics of my CD player (a tweaked Shanling CDT100, I replaced the tubes by NOS with better dynamics and use a Marigo Signature 3-D Mat).

I can understand that in the shootout ears got hurt, that simply means that the AVP does not match the Dali 800MKII (the tweeter might be much strait forward, has the JM-Labs, as he gave those for an example I think the glitch is here, the JM-Labs not using the correct amping can sound agressive). Maybe the amps where not the one to be used too ...

Still the same remark, the AVP needs tweaks to sound right ! They did not run anything for it ... they should have done a proper calibration and tweaks I am sure the AVP would have got some very different judments.

But yet again the thread really looks like a Refence70 WOW thread .... I know B&K products are good, but the Reference70 does not do what the AVP does ... simply not the same kind of product.

No problemo mate !

I just don't understand why the shootout got from a very interesting thread, which that seemed to be at first an honest vs match between pre-pros to a Dali and B&K the best of the best .... cost per year stuff ... I am disapointed by how the tone changed there ....

Your right the tone did change and at times got quite silly.The AVP personally will match every speaker but as you said jackox it need to be tweaked, it's not like any ordinary processor they needed to run audyssey first,have proper room treatments and the AVP would of impressed. But it's there loss, not ours

Really i was trying to get it back on track . I think the thread had/has value mostly how easy it is for others to forget the first rule (test yourself) and how limited a test like this really is even if you try.

Daniel.

Yeah ! That's for sure !

Yeah !

Only situation where this kind of test is relevant is in a pefect studio like treated room, neutral monitor speakers and neutral pro amps.
Then get inside the pre-pro and tweak them and get them sound as good as they can !

You do not test a race car off road right ? Same here give the unit the best they can give them you can compare !

That is an hardcore situation of course, but fair for all units in the shootout !

After reading that thread it certainly went off track.

Well lets not let the same thing happen to this thread. I think if people are interested in the avp or poa they should quickly find this thread and there is enough balanced info here for people to put the avp on their short list or not.

Daniel.

Well it's just a mature discussion were having, I can't that going being a reason to go off track. This thread is an awesome thread to be part of and I can't see why not we can't have these discussions. I think if people do decide to visit this thread and have read part of that shootout they will come to realise there are many happy AVP and even POA owners on this thread.They will then come to realise that some tweaking to the AVP will get your desired results.

Don't read to much into my comments please, just saying this is one of the few threads where we are still free of big troll actions and getting into yes/no type of discussions.

I am fine with not being on topic all the time, So i am thinking about moving to new speakers revel F52's and C52 anyone have a opinion on this combi. I will have a loan pair soon ofcourse.

Daniel.

I agree this is one of the best threads, sorry I just read that wrong my apologies. I guess I feel comfortable with you guys talking about other audio gear at times.

+1.

Hey Seth this might intrest you being an owner of Martin Logan I had a look at Quads 2905(electrostatic) whivch seemed quite nice, but whats your thought on them vs Martin Logans? PM me if you like

I've just finished incorporating the art Seth has provided me for the remote. Seth is a genuis and has keen eye for Art. I also incrporated some of the art into buttons, it took awhile but I got it at the end.I thought I will share some of the Pics with you guys.

The Opening Screen, Pressing the right ticket on screen takes you to menu screen:



The Meny Screen, pressing the Left ticket on screen takes you to Blu-ray choice of players and pressing the right ticket on screen takes you to HD DVD choice of players. Pressing the Popcorn on screen takes you to setup and pressing the Film cell #3 on screen on right takes you to net audio screen.




I would like to thank Seth for providing the Art. Thanks so much buddy.

Well, I’m not Seth, but I do own MartinLogans’s ;-)


The biggest difference is that most ML speakers are true line-sources (~4’ of transducer for mids and highs). A Quad is more like a point-source speaker with much smaller diaphragms than most ML’s.

Consequently, and ML sounds much louder (and can indeed play at higher SPLs) than a Quad can. One of the attributes of line sources is they have a deeper ‘near-field’, losing only 3dB per doubling of distance.

Ideal room placement and treatment is required for ML’s to sound their best. I’ve been pursuing that challenge with vigour for the past 8 years. See my posts on the ML forum and my site for where I’m at now and how we got there.

I will say that a set of ML Spires, plus a good clean sub will pretty much make anyone happy (if they treat the room a bit).
Couple them with the magic of a well done Audyssey room correction on an AVP, and it’s audio nirvana.

Thanks Jonfo I looking at the idea of Quad or ML as I heard ML awhile back, which had very nice mid-high end. Don't get me wrong my Focals are very nice but these speaker have me very intrested. Im still doing some research, though I've heard quads have had some panel problems. I was told that the quads have the same superiority in the mid and high end as some really high end speakers. Wether that is true or not i though my best bet is to ask here.The guys who sell ML are trying to get me into B&G ribbon speakers(have to admit never heard of them).

the ML's are more all rounders, my cousin has a ML setup he uses for both 2ch and ht duties. not wihtout its difficulties. the ML's take some setting up to get the bass driver in the speakers well integrated wiht the panels. they also need quite some space to breathe but can provide some wonderfull stuff with vocals, delicate detail and imaging. the quads are dynamics and loudness limited but excellent for delicate details, vocals and for some nice imaging but very much limited to 2ch listening to small scale perfomances, vocals or choral perfomances. not a speaker I'd use for HT though.

if considering any speakers franin, make sure you demo in your room. especially if someone is pushing them on you.

Thanks AL, they're trying to get me on the Quads but going by what many are saying and some reviews saying there having panel problems so I will Pass.

Considering options of connecting a Sony PS3 to an AVP-A1HDCI, is there any benefit of connecting the PS3 via HDMI directly to the AVP-A1HDCI if the PS3 will only be used for game playing? The only alternative would HDMI straight out of PS3 into the video source, and optical from PS3 to AVP-A1HDCI.

What are the benefits with either option?

The PS3 is capable of producing 7.1 PCM from some games... how much better it might sound is debatable, but may be a benefit.

Well thankyou Seth, family members are impressed with the art.

Hi Seth,
Yes thats why I asked because when I walked in there I asked on what they were and they told me there were similar to the ML but a whole lot better. Know that comment alone is why I had to ask on this particular thread because as Al put it the salesman was pushing them to me and I knew it was a sale pitch and a whole load of BS.Im passing on the quads as they were trying to do a deal on them, I also did my research and noticed there were some occasional panel faults with the quads. I do remember the ML I heard in the other shop(remember that pic I showed you) and that sounded very nice. I was very impressed.

I was always very intrested in ML speakers as I have to admit after looking at your setup Seth for the fist time it was actually the first time i've seen them and there design spun me out. They generated a lot if interest in me to have a listen to speakers of that design and I was very impressed with the sound quality.

Absolutely go with HDMI to AVP! I bought my son a PS3 a few months ago and I was floored by the surround audio that video games have these days. He's got one game (can't think of the name) that sounds like you're at Omaha Beach in Saving Private Ryan! Truly impressive sound mix. If you go direct to your video source, you'll be missing out on that.

Select LPCM on the PS3 and connect to the AVP-A1HDCI via HDMI? Is that the best set-up?

It's been long enough since I set it up that I don't recall all the PS3 options. But I think you have to convert to LCPM, right? (I.e., it won't bitstream out?) If so, then you're right, that's the setup and settings you'd want.

Thats correct Prog use PCM out.