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11/3/08 at 9:02pm
The PS3 cannot bitstream.
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post #7412 of 25088
11/3/08 at 9:17pm
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The PS3 cannot bitstream.

It can but not the new audio codecs(DTS HD MA,etc) As a decoder it does a great job.
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post #7413 of 25088
11/3/08 at 9:53pm
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It can but not the new audio codecs(DTS HD MA,etc) As a decoder it does a great job.

True. Thanks for pointing that out. Having the AVP I automatically assume everyone is talking about the new codecs. My bad.
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post #7414 of 25088
11/3/08 at 10:28pm
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Hi Seth,
Yes thats why I asked because when I walked in there I asked on what they were and they told me there were similar to the ML but a whole lot better. Know that comment alone is why I had to ask on this particular thread because as Al put it the salesman was pushing them to me and I knew it was a sale pitch and a whole load of BS.Im passing on the quads as they were trying to do a deal on them, I also did my research and noticed there were some occasional panel faults with the quads. I do remember the ML I heard in the other shop(remember that pic I showed you) and that sounded very nice. I was very impressed.

I was always very intrested in ML speakers as I have to admit after looking at your setup Seth for the fist time it was actually the first time i've seen them and there design spun me out. They generated a lot if interest in me to have a listen to speakers of that design and I was very impressed with the sound quality.

Hi Frank,

Yeah for speakers to do both HT and music duties, the Quads aren't the best choice. Better than ML's? He was definitely pushing the Quads. The cool thing about Logans is how well they handle all kinds of music. But like the AVP, the Logans are very revealing of source material. Logans are very neutral just like the AVP, so I'm not sure how they would sound with a neutral amp like the POA. Sometimes too much of the same may not be the best match, but since the three AVP owners here that also own Logans (me, Jonathan, and Waboman) don't use the POA, we can't really comment on that.

But for ML's most times owners prefer an amp that leans toward the warm side of neutral (Sunfire, Sanders, McIntosh, Bel Canto, etc.). But I would be very curious if anyone ever does get a chance to listen to Martin Logans with an AVP/POA combo. At least we would know if Logans are a good match with the POA. If they are then some Logans just might be in your future. Back when I got my AVP, I was very tempted to get the POA, but I just wasn't sure about the match.

But I'll tell ya, ever since I first listened to ML's I knew I had to get me some.

And since you already got a chance to demo some Logans you know why we love 'em. And that's what's so cool about this thread of ours, we learn about different products by seeing each others systems. And we are always learning new things. You and everyone here are a goldmine of information. And as I've said before I feel very happy to be with you guys here.


Seth
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post #7415 of 25088
11/3/08 at 10:41pm
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Hi Frank,

Yeah for speakers to do both HT and music duties, the Quads aren't the best choice. Better than ML's? He was definitely pushing the Quads. The cool thing about Logans is how well they handle all kinds of music. But like the AVP, the Logans are very revealing of source material. Logans are very neutral just like the AVP, so I'm not sure how they would sound with a neutral amp like the POA. Sometimes too much of the same may not be the best match, but since the three AVP owners here that also own Logans (me, Jonathan, and Waboman) don't use the POA, we can't really comment on that.

But for ML's most times owners prefer an amp that leans toward the warm side of neutral (Sunfire, Sanders, McIntosh, Bel Canto, etc.). But I would be very curious if anyone ever does get a chance to listen to Martin Logans with an AVP/POA combo. At least we would know if Logans are a good match with the POA. If they are then some Logans just might be in your future. Back when I got my AVP, I was very tempted to get the POA, but I just wasn't sure about the match.

But I'll tell ya, ever since I first listened to ML's I knew I had to get me some.

And since you already got a chance to demo some Logans you know why we love 'em. And that's what's so cool about this thread of ours, we learn about different products by seeing each others systems. And we are always learning new things. You and everyone here are a goldmine of information. And as I've said before I feel very happy to be with you guys here.


Seth

Well im actually kind of glad you guys told me about the Quads and I did my research. I might have to see if i can borrow a pair of ML and see how it does stack up with the AVP/POA combo.
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post #7416 of 25088
11/3/08 at 11:01pm
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Well im actually kind of glad you guys told me about the Quads and I did my research. I might have to see if i can borrow a pair of ML and see how it does stack up with the AVP/POA combo.

If you can borrow a pair of ML's at some point to see how they sound with the POA, that would be very cool.
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post #7417 of 25088
11/4/08 at 9:30am
I got my audyssey dynamic volume today. A little scratch card I got it for free off my dealer. very happy
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post #7418 of 25088
11/4/08 at 9:46am
I was watching a little bit of the Cars Blu-ray this past weekend, and was using the 5.1 PCM soundtrack. I recently learned the surround parameters change based on the soundtrack selected. When I went to view the parameters, there was an option for the Surround Back speakers, so I turned it on. Sorry, I cannot recall the various parameter options from memory.

Was that the right thing to do for a 7.1 setup?

Thanks.

Mark
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post #7419 of 25088
11/4/08 at 10:40am
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I was watching a little bit of the Cars Blu-ray this past weekend, and was using the 5.1 PCM soundtrack. I recently learned the surround parameters change based on the soundtrack selected. When I went to view the parameters, there was an option for the Surround Back speakers, so I turned it on. Sorry, I cannot recall the various parameter options from memory.

Was that the right thing to do for a 7.1 setup?

Thanks.

Mark

I'm a bit new to the idea of choosing the sound parameters from the disk myself. I'm also interested in reading what others with a 7.1 setup do.

If one is trying to hold to the purist's point of view that we try to re-create the mix that the engineers intended for the title...what is the best way to ensure we do so? I realize most titles do not have 7.1 discrete channels available...so why the option of back speakers?
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post #7420 of 25088
11/4/08 at 12:31pm
Frank and all the rest of you guys who've ventured into the room treatment realm, you've got to see this! Just got an email advertising this $3000 room treatment kit!

I kid you not.... $3000



Product link: http://www.synergisticresearch.com/?p=195
Pricing link: http://www.thecableco.com/prodListing.php?cat=51&man=44


PS to all my American compadres: Happy Election Day!!!! GO VOTE!
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post #7421 of 25088
11/4/08 at 1:49pm
hello fellows, I purchased a center channel for my system - even that it sounds great without it but because I am infected with the upgradus virus desease I will give it a try. Now I need an amplifier and I have been thinking about the poa -If the size permits.
I am not sure however that the poa is approriate for me and I hope any of you owners can clarify my doubts.
If I get a poa I would be bridging at least 3 channels, the front ones. Because my main speakers are rated 4 ohms and because they are known for often going down to 2 ohms I wonder what would happen if an amplifier in bridge mode is driving such a difficult speakers. If I remember correctly, the amp will cut in half the impedance of speakers when bridged, 1 ohm in my case? Mhmm... If that's true I probably should look to an amp where I don't have to bridge. Anyone care to explain?
Thank you--but, fellow americans please go to vote first.
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post #7422 of 25088
11/4/08 at 2:13pm
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hello fellows, I purchased a center channel for my system - even that it sounds great without it but because I am infected with the upgradus virus desease I will give it a try. Now I need an amplifier and I have been thinking about the poa -If the size permits.
I am not sure however that the poa is approriate for me and I hope any of you owners can clarify my doubts.
If I get a poa I would be bridging at least 3 channels, the front ones. Because my main speakers are rated 4 ohms and because they are known for often going down to 2 ohms I wonder what would happen if an amplifier in bridge mode is driving such a difficult speakers. If I remember correctly, the amp will cut in half the impedance of speakers when bridged, 1 ohm in my case? Mhmm... If that's true I probably should look to an amp where I don't have to bridge. Anyone care to explain?
Thank you--but, fellow americans please go to vote first.

Someone else can speak to the POA, I'm not sure how its' bridging works as far as ability to handle low impedances.
If that doesn't fit the bill, I'd recommend getting into one of the B&O ICEpower offerings from either D-Sonic or Wryed 4 Sound using the 500w 1000ASP modules. Those are stable below 2 ohms, sound excellent and they're priced very reasonably. There's threads here on both those products.
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post #7423 of 25088
11/4/08 at 2:25pm
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I'm a bit new to the idea of choosing the sound parameters from the disk myself. I'm also interested in reading what others with a 7.1 setup do.

If one is trying to hold to the purist's point of view that we try to re-create the mix that the engineers intended for the title...what is the best way to ensure we do so? I realize most titles do not have 7.1 discrete channels available...so why the option of back speakers?

For music I rarely use anything but what's on the disc. For movies I use THX Ultra 2 Cinema to expand to 7.1 but only with stanard DD or DTS tracks. With the hi-rez tracks like DTS HD MA I use the native format.

It really just boils down to personal preference. Some people prefer PLIIx over THX for instance. In reality, the size of your room, type of speakers and how they are placed will all play a role in what works best for your surround environment.
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post #7424 of 25088
11/4/08 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Frank and all the rest of you guys who've ventured into the room treatment realm, you've got to see this! Just got an email advertising this $3000 room treatment kit!

I kid you not.... $3000



Product link: http://www.synergisticresearch.com/?p=195
Pricing link: http://www.thecableco.com/prodListing.php?cat=51&man=44


PS to all my American compadres: Happy Election Day!!!! GO VOTE!

I had to pay around $2700 for mine over here and that not including installations as these have to be proprley placed especially if you were like me you did not know where they had to be placed. what is the average price there for room treatment ? I bet like always we pay way too much over here, we get ripped off here
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post #7425 of 25088
11/4/08 at 2:42pm
Those room treatment gadgets look pretty cool. I wonder how well they work?
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post #7426 of 25088
11/4/08 at 2:55pm
For 3000$ you get real room treatment (shroeder panels, bass traps etc.)
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post #7427 of 25088
11/4/08 at 3:18pm
I just connected a Denon DVD-3800BDCI to an AVP-A1HDCI with HDMI and the front panel of the AVP-A1HDCI indicates PCM. Shouldn't it automatically be bitstream, or do I have select bitstream on the DVD-3800BDCI or AVP-A1HDCI? I would like to bitstream Dolby HD.
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post #7428 of 25088
11/4/08 at 3:31pm
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Those room treatment gadgets look pretty cool. I wonder how well they work?

I honestly don't see how they could possibly do anything. As Frank indicated, real room treatment is a rather sophisticated process and it requires properly absorptive materials in the right locations. You can't draw audio waves with magnets and junk like that. This whole scam....um, I mean "set-up" ..... reminds me of the $600 replacement wooden volume knobs I saw last year. (They were supposed to "absorb resonances" in the chassis.....)

In 9th grade woodshop, I remember an assignment one day where we had to make something out of our off-cuts. I think I made that "Bass Station!" Who knew I could have charged $750 for it.
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post #7429 of 25088
11/4/08 at 5:00pm
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Someone else can speak to the POA, I'm not sure how its' bridging works as far as ability to handle low impedances.
If that doesn't fit the bill, I'd recommend getting into one of the B&O ICEpower offerings from either D-Sonic or Wryed 4 Sound using the 500w 1000ASP modules. Those are stable below 2 ohms, sound excellent and they're priced very reasonably. There's threads here on both those products.

mrgagne, thank you for your reply. That is an interesting route especially if it saves energy, but I don't know anything about them. I will look into it before I make a purchase.
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post #7430 of 25088
11/4/08 at 5:29pm
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

I honestly don't see how they could possibly do anything. As Frank indicated, real room treatment is a rather sophisticated process and it requires properly absorptive materials in the right locations. You can't draw audio waves with magnets and junk like that. This whole scam....um, I mean "set-up" ..... reminds me of the $600 replacement wooden volume knobs I saw last year. (They were supposed to "absorb resonances" in the chassis.....)

In 9th grade woodshop, I remember an assignment one day where we had to make something out of our off-cuts. I think I made that "Bass Station!" Who knew I could have charged $750 for it.


Hey Prog I answered via my PDA (Did not show the pics) and finally jumped on a computer and had a look at those pics, they certainly do not look like room treatments I know of. I was wondering why you were commenting about the 9th grade woodshop , now I know.
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post #7431 of 25088
11/4/08 at 6:12pm
while I am still waiting and watching the presidential election to come to a conclusion I came through some posts regarding amplifiers called T-Class... And they cost $30! What?
Are they for real? If they are they would be Perfect for these times of economic drought. How would they match the AVP?
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post #7432 of 25088
11/4/08 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by orologio View Post

while I am still waiting and watching the presidential election to come to a conclusion I came through some posts regarding amplifiers called T-Class... And they cost $30! What?
Are they for real? If they are they would be Perfect for these times of economic drought. How would they match the AVP?

Ha, yeah "T" amps are quite cheap but not very powerfull. They actually can sound pretty good though. I tried one of the little Trends Audio T10.1's (which I think are about 15w/ch) in my garage powering a pair of Celestion Ditton 44's they couldn't play very loud, but had surprising bass control as well as a refined top end, very musical. I'm not sure how they would handle HT duties though.
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11/4/08 at 7:07pm
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mrgagne, thank you for your reply. That is an interesting route especially if it saves energy, but I don't know anything about them. I will look into it before I make a purchase.

Google; Bang & Olufsen ICEpower 1000ASP and see where that takes you.

These modules are the same as used in Bel Canto Ref1000's, Jeff Rowland Model 501's and PS Audio GCA500, just to name a few, and to give you an idea of the quality level they're found in.
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post #7434 of 25088
11/4/08 at 7:20pm
Has anyone heard anything new recently on the new Denon "Uber" blu-ray player that is supposed to be announced soon?
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post #7435 of 25088
11/5/08 at 3:00am
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Has anyone heard anything new recently on the new Denon "Uber" blu-ray player that is supposed to be announced soon?

Nothing at the moment. I would not mind seeing a pic of one.
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post #7436 of 25088
11/5/08 at 3:43am
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Frank and all the rest of you guys who've ventured into the room treatment realm, you've got to see this! Just got an email advertising this $3000 room treatment kit!

I kid you not.... $3000



Product link: http://www.synergisticresearch.com/?p=195
Pricing link: http://www.thecableco.com/prodListing.php?cat=51&man=44


PS to all my American compadres: Happy Election Day!!!! GO VOTE!

I always wondered what snake oil really looked like!
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11/5/08 at 3:51am
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Frank and all the rest of you guys who've ventured into the room treatment realm, you've got to see this! Just got an email advertising this $3000 room treatment kit!

I kid you not.... $3000



Product link: http://www.synergisticresearch.com/?p=195
Pricing link: http://www.thecableco.com/prodListing.php?cat=51&man=44


PS to all my American compadres: Happy Election Day!!!! GO VOTE!


Hey Prog
I've went into there site to have a look at these things more closely.I've gone and looked on how they are installed into your system.The Vibratron makes a nice corner mantle piece. Here is the Installation i copied for who are intrested.



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Vibratron
The Vibratron is placed on the front wall behind your main speakers approximately six to eight inches above the height of the tweeters. If a painting, video screen or other object prevents you from using this location, mount the Vibratron below the obstruction but as close to the ideal location as possible. You can then place a Gravatron Satellite above the obstruction to approximate the ideal Vibratron placement. This will raise vertical image placement to natural levels and smooth out high frequencies in your system.

If necessary the Vibratron can also be placed atop a system rack or any piece of furniture located between your main speakers.

Specially developed mid-range tuning magnets are included with the Vibratron and are used to integrate the Vibratron with your room. Try experimenting by placing all of the magnets atop the Vibratron. You should hear a noticeable increase in mid-range liquidity and warmth. Now remove them completely and listen for a lift in high frequency extension. Finally, experiment with different combinations of large gold magnets and the smaller silver magnets until the desired combination is found.
Bass Station



The Bass Station should be placed directly below the Vibratron approximately three to six inches out from the front wall with the dispersion baffle facing your listening position while obstructing the view of its resonator satellite. The Bass Station may also be placed on the floor behind a rack or piece of furniture just below the Vibratron. This will not hinder the Bass Station's performance. If necessary the Bass Station can be positioned in front of the equipment rack or furniture directly below the Vibratron and in between your main speakers for a significant improvement in low frequency performance.

Razor sharp patent pending Stilettos are included with the Bass Station to couple the characteristics of its bass resonator to your room. Simply screw the Stilettos into the Bass Station for noticeably tighter low frequencies and precise image placement. If you have carpeted floors, be certain you press down hard on the Bass Station so its razor sharp Stilettos make solid contact with the floor.


Magnetron Satellite



The Magnetron Satellite's base uses patent pending magnetic coupling to secure its resonator to the satellite base. The magnetic coupling strategically dampens the resonator to control its decay and frequency response for better integration with the Acoustic ART System.

Magnetron Satellites are used to control first order reflection points along a side-wall for improved image focus, a wider soundstage, and smoother high frequencies. When setting up Magnetron Satellites have a friend move a mirror along the side-wall between your listening position and the speakers. While sitting in your listening chair, look for the reflection of your speakers tweeter in the mirror. This is your first order reflection point and it is the starting point for affixing the Magnetron Satellite to your listening rooms side-wall. Listen to your system with both Satellite's at the first order reflection point several inches higher than your Vibratron and above the tweeter level of your main speakers. Next move the Satellites two inches toward your listening position, away from your speakers. If this is a movement in the correct direction, you should hear sweeter highs and a wider sound field. If you lose image focus try moving them three inches in front of the first order reflection point toward your main speakers. Again listen for image focus and high frequency response. If you cannot place the Magnetron exactly in its first order reflection point, experiment with your options and listen for image focus behind your speakers and for positive changes in high frequencies response. Since all rooms do not have walls that lend themselves to such an install, if necessary, you may forgo the installation of the Magnetron Satellites and still enjoy benefits of the Acoustic ART System.
Gravatron Satellite



The Gravitron Satellite's resonator sits atop a brass ring that allows for full activation and extended decay of its resonator satellite. This is key to its intended application of equalizing back pressure in a listening room for amazing wrap around acoustic environments and is perfect for balancing out less than ideal Vibratron placement. Properly installed, the Gravitron Satellite dramatically smooth’s all audible frequencies and improves overall soundstaging.

The primary role of the Gravitron Satellite is to balance out pressure along the rear wall of a listening room. With all other Acoustic ART resonators in place, experiment with rear wall placement directly behind your listening position approximately 2/3 to 3/4 of the way up the rear wall. Listen for desired high frequency response and soundstaging.

The secondary role of the Gravitron Satellite is to balance less than ideal Vibratron placement. When forced to place a Vibratron below its ideal location, place a Gravatron vertically above the Vibratron higher than ideal Vibratron placement to approximate ideal placement of the Vibratron.

Lastly the Gravatron Satellite can be used in place of a Vibratron should a more cost effective solution be needed. In this case follow the Vibratron placement guide.
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11/5/08 at 6:02am
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I was watching a little bit of the Cars Blu-ray this past weekend, and was using the 5.1 PCM soundtrack. I recently learned the surround parameters change based on the soundtrack selected. When I went to view the parameters, there was an option for the Surround Back speakers, so I turned it on. Sorry, I cannot recall the various parameter options from memory.

Was that the right thing to do for a 7.1 setup?

Thanks.

Mark

Anyone?
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11/5/08 at 6:15am
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Anyone?

Maybe i am missing something but the normal options can be used. Most will probably use THX u2 cinema mode to create the 7.1 mode from this.

Daniel.
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11/5/08 at 7:54am
I may have missed something but I am a little underwhelmed by the latest upgrade with Audyssey Dynamic Volume. In particular using the "evening" and "midnight " settings. They flatten the sound to a very drab and AM radio style dynamics.

On even some basic receivers, the 'night time' modes still retain dynamics to maintain the audio visual impact. I am wondering whether re-calibrating the system will make any difference.
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