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Effin PS3... which Blu-Ray player should I buy at $399 price point?

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I finally broke down and bought a Blu-Ray player. Not being a fan of Sony I decided I would buy a PS3 because they lose money on me and I have no plans of buying games or accessories for it. After fighting this thing for a week now I think I'm officially done with it. The lack of HDMI cable, IR support, and a few other what I would consider requirements have made me dislike this thing to the point where I've had it. The final straw is my inability to make my Harmony remote work with it even w/the Blue Wave remote dongle. Sure I could put even more time into programming it but it will never control the PS3 100% no matter what I buy. So far, I've paid for another HDMI cable (I really feel sorry for the people that spend $100 for an HDMI cable) an IR remote and after all that it still doesn't function the way it should. I didn't buy a Harmony remote so that I can have some goofy video game controller that I had to use too.

/rant

So, now that I'm returning this PS3 to Best Buy I'm wondering what player that is at the same $399 price point I should get. I've heard that the PS3 is 'future proof' but the more I'm reading makes it seem like even the stand alone players can be updated with the latest firmware when it happens. So, is the PS3 any more 'future proof' than the others or is that a load of BS? The players available to me are:

Sharp BD-HP20U
Samsung BD-P1400/X
Sony BDP-S300

Of those three I would rather not own the Sony but if it's the best I will buy it. The other bonus is I have a 10% off coupon that I couldn't use on the PS3 that I can use on one of these so that will save me another $40. My Harmony will work perfectly out of the gate and it will most likely include an HDMI cable. So, which one should I pick and why? Thanks for the help and sorry if this has been covered some place. I read many pages of thread topics before posting this and didn't see anything that looked like it would cover my issues.
post #2 of 170
Keep the PS3. I have bought 3 of them and they are fantastic. Probably going to get one more.

1. If you need an HDMI cable, there are many available for little money.
2. There are several IR solutions in the marketplace. Take another look. Or try the Sony Blue-tooth remote, it is a very nice remote.
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Originally Posted by jeremyhelling View Post

I finally broke down and bought a Blu-Ray player. Not being a fan of Sony I decided I would buy a PS3 because they lose money on me and I have no plans of buying games or accessories for it. After fighting this thing for a week now I think I'm officially done with it. The lack of HDMI cable, IR support, and a few other what I would consider requirements have made me dislike this thing to the point where I've had it. The final straw is my inability to make my Harmony remote work with it even w/the Blue Wave remote dongle. Sure I could put even more time into programming it but it will never control the PS3 100% no matter what I buy. So far, I've paid for another HDMI cable (I really feel sorry for the people that spend $100 for an HDMI cable) an IR remote and after all that it still doesn't function the way it should. I didn't buy a Harmony remote so that I can have some goofy video game controller that I had to use too.

/rant

So, now that I'm returning this PS3 to Best Buy I'm wondering what player that is at the same $399 price point I should get. I've heard that the PS3 is 'future proof' but the more I'm reading makes it seem like even the stand alone players can be updated with the latest firmware when it happens. So, is the PS3 any more 'future proof' than the others or is that a load of BS? The players available to me are:

Sharp BD-HP20U
Samsung BD-P1400/X
Sony BDP-S300

Of those three I would rather not own the Sony but if it's the best I will buy it. The other bonus is I have a 10% off coupon that I couldn't use on the PS3 that I can use on one of these so that will save me another $40. My Harmony will work perfectly out of the gate and it will most likely include an HDMI cable. So, which one should I pick and why? Thanks for the help and sorry if this has been covered some place. I read many pages of thread topics before posting this and didn't see anything that looked like it would cover my issues.

Any of the players you listed are still inferior to the PS3 as a BluRay player. If you want a good stand alone player look at the Panasonic BD30, or wait for the new Sonys.

www.monoprice.com can bring you good HDMI cable for around $6-15 that is just as good as any $100 cable if it's shorter than 20 ft. If you want a good all in one IR solution for the PS3 you need to look at the remote called IR4PS3. It is a fully functional IR version of the PS3 remote. It even has attachments that mimic a finger pressing the PS3 buttons so you can have FULL IR control including power that you can program to your Harmony. These run about $50.

Also, back to the HDMI cable. I believe more players do NOT come with the cable. Don't think this is just a PS3 deal, you will still need to purchase one. However spending $100 on one is excessive. I feel a bit more information and a bit more effort will have you loving your PS3 as a BluRay player. If not, get the Panasonic.

Here is an article on the remote I mentioned.
http://www.remotecentral.com/article..._ir_remote.htm
post #4 of 170
You're making a big mistake. Your obvious hatred of Sony has clouded your judgement.

PS3, even with the minor niggles you mention, is still by far the best player on the market, certainly in the price-point you are talking about.
post #5 of 170
The OP said he didn't want to use the Bluetooth remote and the dongle wasn't working properly for him.


I just picked up a PS3 on Tuesday night but haven't had a chance to open it but wondering if I should (less hassle at Futureshop) as I have the same sort of reservations and I really don't want to order some hacked remote off the internet that uses a USB dongle or 'pushes' the power button off (by simulating pushing button?)

I too have a Harmony and would like to control it this way but that doesn't seem to be a feasible option right now.... can you put this Blue Wave in as the device type in the Harmony software (haven't looked - not sure what proper name of the device is) and then label it PS3?

I'm not too fond of having a gaming system as my BD/DVD player but my DVD player looks to be dying and not worth the price of fixing and the other BD players don't have the best DVD upconversion. I'm considering the Panasonic DMP-BD50 but how long am I going to have to wait for it here in Canada (may come to USA in April but no guarantee for Canada - may be late summer / Fall)

As someone else indicated, the Oppo DV-983H at $400 is too hefty perhaps and why someone would consider this player when you can get a BD player around this price or a bit more (but SD upconversion not as good).

I do plan on getting a projector at some point and would like the best SD possible as I have a large SD collection (500-600+) and some BDs on the coffee table that i can't watch as I pulled out of the BD/HD player race temporarily with the issues with Samsung Duo (BD-UP5000). The Sammy has REON processor and could play BD/HD discs but the lack of advanced audio codec support and disc compatibility haunt this player and until this is addressed with the magic holy grail firmware I decided to put it back on the shelf and prices have dropped too. If they fix these issues I may reconsider as I'm not interested in BDLive stuff but would get for disc compatibility guarantee.

I think the issues I'm raising are being raised by pretty much everybody...

post #6 of 170
Also the PS3 comes with Spidey3 and I already have the boxset 1-3 (unopened) sitting on the coffee table so I don't know what to do with the disc (and don't want to return th box set). (and no I don't want to give it away )
post #7 of 170
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Originally Posted by bolmsted View Post

Also the PS3 comes with Spidey3 and I already have the boxset 1-3 (unopened) sitting on the coffee table so I don't know what to do with the disc (and don't want to return th box set). (and no I don't want to give it away )

Not anymore.
post #8 of 170
There is at least one total control (including power control) coming for the PS3 and it is called the IR2BT. It was designed and tested to work with universal remotes. It also has been tested with Harmony remotes.

I'm not sure why the OP hates Sony so much but he/she will be missing out on a very value added product (even without DTS-HD:MA).

If your dead set against the PS3 then wait for the new Sony standalone players to come out... but you'll pay the same or more and get less.
post #9 of 170
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Originally Posted by mgillespie View Post

You're making a big mistake. Your obvious hatred of Sony has clouded your judgement.

PS3, even with the minor niggles you mention, is still by far the best player on the market, certainly in the price-point you are talking about.

+1.

I don't have no fancy remotes, and the bluetooth remote is a great thing.

Looking at the list, I wouldn't buy any of them. I'd wait for the BD50, or the 550 from Sony.

Seggers
post #10 of 170
You hate Sony, don't want a video game console, don't like the way the PS3 looks, etc., etc., and instead of spending some money on a standalone player you insist on trashing the PS3 as though someone was holding a gun to your head insisting that you buy one. If the PS3 is all you can afford, it would seem to me that you'd either have to buy one and put up with its "shortcomings", or do without a Blu-ray player until Walmart has them at an everyday low price of $199.
post #11 of 170
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Originally Posted by Rudy1 View Post

You hate Sony, don't want a video game console, don't like the way the PS3 looks, etc., etc., and instead of spending some money on a standalone player you insist on trashing the PS3 as though someone was holding a gun to your head insisting that you buy one. If the PS3 is all you can afford, it would seem to me that you'd either have to buy one and put up with its "shortcomings", or do without a Blu-ray player until Walmart has them at an everyday low price of $199.

People buy it because it is cheap and fast loading, not because it's a great disc player. People want a conventional disc player without the hassle of work arounds or unconventional menu systems or controls.

Boy does the world ever need a $299, fast loading, IR controlled blu-ray deck that supports the features we all hear studios market as the "future" (2.0 features, lossless audio).

The good thing about my PS3 is that when it's on, the cat always likes to be near it ... I guess for the warmth! If I ever can't locate the cat I turn on the PS3 she knows the sound ... It works better than milk or tuna.
post #12 of 170
Kevivoe,

You don't think the PS3 is a great BR disc player? I'm an HD DVD convert and I find the BR PQ of the PS3 on par with the HD DVD PQ of my XA2, both connected to a 60" SXRD XBR2. The only beef I have with it is the lack of MA support.

I've always listened to and respected what you have to say and its just that I did not expect a statement like that from you. Understand that I mean no offense by this. If thats your true opinion, it will be the first time I disagree with you.

I take it you were either joking or stating that people put more emphasis of importance on the loading speed and price of the PS3.

OP,

Anyway, from the reviews from here and other sites, I would not buy any of the players in the your poll. I researched my decision for over a month and the PS3 was a no-brainer at the price I could afford.

This purchase was one of the few times I felt I got more than my moneys worth. To me, its more of an AV hub than a game console. Slap TVersity on a machine, build a NAS and your good to go. Every song, picture and home movie I have is at my fingertips. Thats just one of the value add abilities of the PS3.

But, it seems like your dead set against the Playstation, so I won't waste anymore of your time...Will
post #13 of 170
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Originally Posted by Will Munshower View Post

Kevivoe,

You don't think the PS3 is a great BR disc player?

It is an O.K. disc player but that is not why people buy it I think. (It is missing some audio features ... and analog outs)

I bought it because it was FAST and because it was more future proof allowing for 2.0 capability. That fact that it upconverts SD-DVD was a secondary consideration for me (and others I'm sure). Playing blu-ray discs is a given so I automatically assumed that any blu-ray player should do that with basic discs. It's those future discs that moved me into PS3 and not Samsung 1400. It was the future DTS-MA decoding that moved me into the PS3 also.

Now if in the future Panasonic releases a BD-50 with all of the capability and the PS3 does not upgrade to match it ... I will move to that player.

It was the promise of a great player that moved me to buy into the PS3 relative to the competition in the field to date. It will be hard to give up the fast loading but I could easily give up the menu system and controls for a more conventional player. Case in point. My daughter uses the A35 for SD-DVD movies because the buttons on the front of the player are familiar to her. Activating the PS3, hunting down the buttons on the controller (blue tooth remote) in a dim room are not familiar to her. I don't think we've watched any SD-DVD's start to finish on the PS3 ... I might have to try that.
post #14 of 170
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Originally Posted by rlsmith View Post

Keep the PS3. I have bought 3 of them and they are fantastic. Probably going to get one more.

1. If you need an HDMI cable, there are many available for little money.
2. There are several IR solutions in the marketplace. Take another look. Or try the Sony Blue-tooth remote, it is a very nice remote.

I know that HDMI cables are cheap. I get them at MonoPrice so it's not that expensive but it's not about the money, it's about principle. I can spend about $475 to make the PS3 'kinda' work or I can spend about $300 to have something that DOES work. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me really. I'm a 360 fanboy so I have NO intention of buying any games for it and can use my 360 Elite for file streaming and all that fun stuff. From where I'm sitting the PS3 just doesn't make sense and the things Sony did to make a few bucks here and there is unreal. I don't want the Sony Blutooth remote because it would be giving Sony more profit but more importantly I didn't spend money on a Harmony remote to have to spend another $30 on another remote for when I want to watch Blu-Ray movies. I don't care about special menus or features and just want to watch the movie. I don't think I've ever watched the special features so to me, it doesn't matter. I want to watch Blu-Ray players, use my Harmony remote and be done with it.
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Originally Posted by jeremyhelling View Post

I really feel sorry for the people that spend $100 for an HDMI cable.

Dont feel sorry for those people... those people feel sorry for you... You're the one that spent thousands on a display panel and are sending a dirtier signal to it through your 20-30$ cable. People underestimate the difference a good quality cable makes.... theres a reason that they are $100's. And you obviously havnt maneuvered through any of the output options for the PS3 or you'd know that its as good as you're gonna get for the money
post #16 of 170
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Originally Posted by Rudy1 View Post

You hate Sony, don't want a video game console, don't like the way the PS3 looks, etc., etc., and instead of spending some money on a standalone player you insist on trashing the PS3 as though someone was holding a gun to your head insisting that you buy one. If the PS3 is all you can afford, it would seem to me that you'd either have to buy one and put up with its "shortcomings", or do without a Blu-ray player until Walmart has them at an everyday low price of $199.

I hate Sony because of their track record w/new technology. They always make greedy moves and in the end the consumer suffers from their improper use of new technology. Still waiting for them to start taking advantage of the consumer now that HD-DVD is no more and start raising prices on players or media or change format or something idiotic like that. Sounds silly but Sony has been going it for decades now.

That aside, it's not that I can't 'afford' a player that's $500 or $800 it's that I can't justify it. I have a hard time justifying even $400 for a device that plays slightly better resolution movies. After all, that's all we're talking about at this point in the game. I bought a PS3 and am repeatedly put off by the idiotic things that Sony has done to wring a couple bucks of profit out of it here and there.

You speak of an 'Every day low price of $199' and the funny thing is we could see this option in the not so distant future. The Xbox 360 add on and I'll be the first one in line for it. You think Sony would have produced a HD-DVD add on had they lost the format war?
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Originally Posted by lilmike2069 View Post

Dont feel sorry for those people... those people feel sorry for you... You're the one that spent thousands on a display panel and are sending a dirtier signal to it through your 20-30$ cable. People underestimate the difference a good quality cable makes.... theres a reason that they are $100's. And you obviously havnt maneuvered through any of the output options for the PS3 or you'd know that its as good as you're gonna get for the money

Thousands? My 100" display panel was less than $50 in parts and my projector cost $650 (used HD1000) and it looks fantastic. I'll put my $700 setup up against those costing thousands and you would be hard pressed to find a drastic difference.

Yeah, there's a reason they are $100 alright.... Sheeple buy them because they've been told for years that you get what you pay for and think that's excuse to blindly throw money around instead of investigating what the best product is for their money and cost vs return. I promise that over 6' my signal sent through my $6 MonoPrice HDMI cable is the same as your $150 MonsterCable HDMI cable. Anyone that spends $100+ on a 6' HDMI cable is a sucker. Period.
post #18 of 170
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Originally Posted by kevivoe View Post

People buy it because it is cheap and fast loading, not because it's a great disc player. People want a conventional disc player without the hassle of work arounds or unconventional menu systems or controls.

Thank you. Someone finally gets it.

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Originally Posted by kevivoe View Post

Boy does the world ever need a $299, fast loading, IR controlled blu-ray deck that supports the features we all hear studios market as the "future" (2.0 features, lossless audio).

Bingo. Too bad we won't see that any time soon (save for a Xbox add on) now that there's no war. The competition w/HD-DVD is what brought the prices down from thousands of dollars to a few hundred. People don't seem to realize that competition benefits the consumer. Instead of researching the product and investing in what they feel is best people are content to sit back and let things run it's course and hope that everything works out for the best.... sounds kind of like our general take on selecting a leader too. I digress...

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The good thing about my PS3 is that when it's on, the cat always likes to be near it ... I guess for the warmth! If I ever can't locate the cat I turn on the PS3 she knows the sound ... It works better than milk or tuna.

That's the other downside... it's hot an noisy and I don't really need that from a movie player when I can get another stand alone that's whisper quiet and doesn't require super fans creating excess noise to help keep it from melting down.
post #19 of 170
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Originally Posted by Rudy1 View Post

You hate Sony, don't want a video game console, don't like the way the PS3 looks, etc., etc., and instead of spending some money on a standalone player you insist on trashing the PS3 as though someone was holding a gun to your head insisting that you buy one. If the PS3 is all you can afford, it would seem to me that you'd either have to buy one and put up with its "shortcomings", or do without a Blu-ray player until Walmart has them at an everyday low price of $199.

Thats funny
post #20 of 170
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Originally Posted by bolmsted View Post

I too have a Harmony and would like to control it this way but that doesn't seem to be a feasible option right now.... can you put this Blue Wave in as the device type in the Harmony software (haven't looked - not sure what proper name of the device is) and then label it PS3?


Yes, you can do that. "Play BD" Activity sets up my TV and AVR normally, and activates the Nyko commands for the PS3 (which is the Device name). Then I go over and load the disc, which turns on the PS3 and the disc auto-plays (because I have auto-play turned on).

There are really no extra steps involved, and the Nyko IR receiver has a far wider capture angle than any other component I own (because it sticks out and can receive IR beams from almost any direction).
post #21 of 170
For all of you who state that Sony has a poor track record with new technology, I have only one word: Trinitron. Its inventor (an American) first took it to the (then) American TV manufacturers, all of whom reacted with indifference. But Sony recognized the potential inherent in the design, and refined it to the point that decades after its introduction every manufacturer was copying it.

Sony has always been a leader when it comes to cutting edge technology, but their arrogance rubs a lot of people wrong so their products aren't always embraced by their competitors. This leads to a lot of their innovations not being accepted as "standards", and thus eventual "failure" in the international market (their products tend to do very well in Japan). Many people will say that Sony comes out with new tech, then abandons these gadgets when sales begin to sag. This is not true....they just cease to actively market these "losers", particularly in the US.

I bought two PS3s, and even though I'm not a gamer I'll never regret going that route rather than buying standalones. The Bluetooth remote is very easy to use (though it's a pain in the ass not being able to program my universal remote with its commands), the game console plays everything I throw at it flawlessly, and the audio performance is stunning (despite the lack of DTS-HD MA decoding or bitstreaming). Plus, I got two very capable computers at no extra charge!

No matter how people feel about its manufacturer, the fact of the matter is that the PS3 is currently the best bang for the buck when it comes to BD players. Until that changes (and it will) I don't see a problem with anyone "settling" for one. After all, you can always sell it to a gamer once the perfect standalone player arrives in the stores.
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Originally Posted by Rudy1 View Post

the game console plays everything I throw at it flawlessly.


It would even work better if you would insert the disk in the machine instead of throwing them
post #23 of 170
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Originally Posted by jeremyhelling View Post

The Xbox 360 add on and I'll be the first one in line for it. You think Sony would have produced a HD-DVD add on had they lost the format war?

Don't be too excited about the Blu-Ray add on for the Xbox 360 because it probably won't stream lossless audio so you still would be getting a subpar product.

I have pointed you in the direction of options to fully integrate the PS3 into your Harmony but you seem to ignore them. I agree that it was a bonehead move for Sony to use BT with no consideration for IR though!

As for your other complaints, I haven't found my PS3 to be noisy (hot, yes).

How many items do you buy these days that require you to buy necessary cables (think, Printers and many devices that only get high quality through HDMI)?

Like other people here, I did a lot of research and found the PS3 to be one of the most capable blu-ray players as well as a future-resistant (nothing is future-proof) device. I think you'll like the PS3 more if you give it some time.

If not, then I wish you the best of luck with your next blu-ray purchase.
post #24 of 170
I love my PS3 and it is the best device I have ever owned. I have a moody H/K AVR 745, a cranky JVC P61R1U 61" HD-ILA TV. The PS3 is flawless. The Nyko dongle and the codes I entered into my harmony make it perform flawlessly. I play an occasional game, listen to SACDs, even do an occasional slide show. The PS3 is a $800 machine pretending to be a $400 machine.
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Originally Posted by bommai View Post

The PS3 is a $800 machine pretending to be a $400 machine.

Even though we get your drift, this is not a compliment. Read again. An expensive gear acting cheap.

You should have said it is an $800 box sold for only $400 and hence a great value.
post #26 of 170
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Originally Posted by Nosferax View Post

It would even work better if you would insert the disk in the machine instead of throwing them

I'll have to give that a try.
post #27 of 170
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Originally Posted by lilmike2069 View Post

Dont feel sorry for those people... those people feel sorry for you... You're the one that spent thousands on a display panel and are sending a dirtier signal to it through your 20-30$ cable. People underestimate the difference a good quality cable makes.... theres a reason that they are $100's. And you obviously havnt maneuvered through any of the output options for the PS3 or you'd know that its as good as you're gonna get for the money

LOL. How does that saying go something about a something born every minute.

Enjoy your cables. I enjoy my Home Theater.

Some light reading:
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/hdmi-cabl...t-2-268788.php

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At short distances up to 6ft (2 meters), you can pretty much get away with any cable. Monoprice cables kicked ass at the 6 foot length that mostly everyone uses.

Generally short cables any brand is fine and monoprice makes good cables. Don't judge a cable by it's looks or cost.

For longer runs it may be worth it to invest in higher guage and better constructions. I would still stand clear of Monster. There are plenty of companies that make high end long run cables that don't spend hundreds of illions $$$ on marketing. Instead they just build high end long run cables.

I installed 2km of Cat5e cable as part of a contract. Cost <$0.70 per foot. It pushes 1Gbbps in both directions. Strangely the business world doesn't buy "Monster Brand Ethernet cable" at $30/foot now "with electron lube resulting in 8000% reduction in electron clogs".
post #28 of 170
To the op to help you in your decision what AVR are you using. Is it HDMI 1.1 capable? Is it HDMI v1.3 capable? Do you plan to upgrade to HDMI v1.3 capable AVR within next 3 months? 6 months? year?
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I installed 2km of Cat5e cable as part of a contract. Cost <$0.70 per foot. It pushes 1Gbbps in both directions. Strangely the business world doesn't buy "Monster Brand Ethernet cable" at $30/foot now "with electron lube resulting in 8000% reduction in electron clogs".

[WAY Off Topic] Seriously? Electron lube? Is that like a board stretcher for carpenters? I hope you're kidding and I'm just gullible enough to believe that Monster would try it.
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Originally Posted by Bugg77 View Post

Don't be too excited about the Blu-Ray add on for the Xbox 360 because it probably won't stream lossless audio so you still would be getting a subpar product.

I have pointed you in the direction of options to fully integrate the PS3 into your Harmony but you seem to ignore them. I agree that it was a bonehead move for Sony to use BT with no consideration for IR though!

As for your other complaints, I haven't found my PS3 to be noisy (hot, yes).

How many items do you buy these days that require you to buy necessary cables (think, Printers and many devices that only get high quality through HDMI)?

Like other people here, I did a lot of research and found the PS3 to be one of the most capable blu-ray players as well as a future-resistant (nothing is future-proof) device. I think you'll like the PS3 more if you give it some time.

If not, then I wish you the best of luck with your next blu-ray purchase.

I'm not ignoring it but this is all stuff I knew about and did plenty of research on it. Even more time wasted trying to make this thing do what a stand alone already does. I have had this thing for a while now and it's a chore to watch Blu-Rays when everything else in my theater just works. I like simplicity and can't see a plus side to making this thing do what other players just do. I'm paying over $100 more for it and then it's already wasted SO much of my time trying to figure out how to make it do what it should just do out of the box. As for needing to buy other things... I don't know about you but I don't even recall the last HDMI device I purchased that didn't come with a cable or a printer that didn't include ink and a cable.
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