Originally Posted by lilmike2069
Wrong. A '1' in a digital signal is generally designated as anything between 3.5-5 volts. A '0' is designated as anything below one volt. The 'gray area' is from 1 volt to 3.5 volts. This area, youre recieving unit does not know how to translate. It is very possible to dip into that gray area from losses in the wires, especially at higher frequency. At a higher frequency, the cross-sectional area of a wire decreases causing much more resistance (known as the 'skin effect'). This could easily cause a loss of some information especially over longer distances. Also, if you are running a 1080p signal, you're going to require much more bandwidth. With a cheap cable, you're not going to get the bandwidth necessary and yes... theres a loss of information. You should really educate yourself on DSP before your start touting your 'knowledge'. Just for kicks, read up on amplitude modulation, frequency modulation, and pulse code modulation. Then you will see how important the Amplitude and bandwidth of a signal is. BTW, this is outside of the scope of mine and yours opinion of a quality cable, i just want you to understand why a 1 is not just a 1 and a 0 is not just a 0.
All that is correct except for even the cheapest cable to carry HDMI logo and 1.3a label it must pass the HDMI working groups certification tests.
el cheapo non-compliant cable $6? = didn't pass HDMI cerification test.
el cheapo compliant cable $6 = passes HDMI certification test (= capable of 1080p24 or 1080p60 w/ HBR or PCM)
Monster compliant cable $100 = passes HDMI certification test (= capable of 1080p24 or 1080p60 w/HBR or PCM).A non compliant cable will be INSTANTLY obvious. No picture, HDCP errors, massive amount of digital noise (lines, sparkles, shifting). A compliant cable = a compliant cable regardless of price.
Any "over engineering" for spec lovers is just that "overengineering". If everything was designed they way monster operates just image how stupid it would be.
Toyota Corolla has 86mph speed rated tires. Toyota Corolla is never going > 86mph. However using the monster logic the dealer should put 192mph speed rated tires on it. 192 > 86 so it must be better right? If the Corolla never goes > 86mph then it was just over-engineering.
You are making a fallacy in assuming that it takes a $100 cable to just barely meet the spec. The truth is a $6 easily meets the spec anything above that is just "overengineering", marketing, and predatory retail practices.
One last point to ponder:
I recently upgraded my server and installed 8 new SATA drives. Bought a pack of 10 SATA II cable for $12. SATA runs at 3.0Gbps (50% higher than 1080p). Why don't I need a "monster SATA cable".
Digital is Digital. The bits don't know they are HDTV bits. They are simply bits. High speed interconnects have been around for years and nobody has needed the kind of overengineering that monster claims is required.
IF monster level prices are required that why aren't there $20/foot prices on:
SATA cables - 3.0Gbps
DVI cable - 1.65Gbps
Hypertransport links (used to interconnect processors on MB) - 20.8GBs (that's >160Gbps)
Fiberchannel - 10.5Gbps
Gigabit Ethernet - 1.0Gbps
10Gig Ethernet - 10.0Gbps
Infiniband - 96Gbps
PCIexpress 1x -2.0Gbps
PCIexpress 16x - 32.0Gbps
The truth is high speed digital interfaces are NOT as difficult as monster makes it out to be. If they were the average computer MB would cost $2K - $3K just for the interfaces. Cabling and interconnects would be more expensive that video cards, and CPU.
You bought a $12 cable with $88 markup and now you NEED to convince others that they are stupid for not paying 100%+ markup.http://consumerist.com/353938/monste...off-80-markups
If radioshack marks up monster cable 80%, how much do you think Monster cable marks it up from BOM to wholesale? How much markup is there from raw cable to retail? 160%?, 200%?, 300%?
Try peddling your snake oil somewhere else, this is the AVS (aka AV Science) not AVH (AV Hype) forum.