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post #31 of 148
I contacted a sales rep at Wadia to inquire about the audio capabilities of the iTransport.

Unfortunately it can only accept 16/44.1 audio.

I was hoping to be able to play either 24/48 or 24/96 Apple Lossless files through it.

Looks like I just saved myself $369 plus tax.

Kev
post #32 of 148
Just curious as to how the iTransport stacks up compared to a Squeezebox Duet for $399 pulling digital music off a HD? The iTransports outputs the digital content to a standard 16/44.1KHz; the Squeezebox outputs at 24/48KHz.

I was thinking of using a Duet and feeding it through my 840C's digital inputs but the idea of using an iPod's digital output is somewhat attractive. I use an NAD iPod dock now and listen to the analog output direct now - it sounds great (my iPod content is about 90% lossless) but I'd really like to use the EQ, bass management and other DSP functions at times.

iTransport or Duet? Hmmmm.
post #33 of 148
Thread Starter 
Update: My iTransport has finally shipped. Expected delivery is for the 23rd.
post #34 of 148
Update: My iTransport arrived today. Damm I need a longer digital cable. Will be running it thru a Casablanca III with Extreme DACS, Dreadnaught amp & Aerial Model 9.
Should be interesting.
post #35 of 148
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tjk3030 View Post

Update: My iTransport arrived today. Damm I need a longer digital cable. Will be running it thru a Casablanca III with Extreme DACS, Dreadnaught amp & Aerial Model 9.
Should be interesting.

Cool, can't wait to hear your impressions.
post #36 of 148
Well its up and running.

1. MAJOR IPOD breakthru, buy it. Sure its not in the same league as playback on my DV60 but damm its convenient. I just let the tunes run all day as I did my usual domestic chores.

2. I think this is the bridge for the IPOD crowd to the highend.

OK, now the nuts & bolts:

1. I needed a longer digital cable to my rack, couldnt find one locally, so used some 75 Belden Coax I had & off to radio shack for a couple of connectors. So what $35K with of equipment and using $2 cable set up. Ya gotta love it.
2. It actually sounds pretty good. Wait, sounds really good & my hearing sucks.
3. Out of curiosity I also ran the analog outputs thru my Casablanca for A-B comparision. Oh, my god, the analog output is just as bad as I thought it would be. I was always to scared to do that.
4. One curious thing though, the ads I saw for it, show the front is lit up, it looks like there's an idicator but its blank. Then again maybe its the IR control. I'll call Wadia tomorrow.

Bottom line - pretty damm cool & Wadia is on to something.
post #37 of 148
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tjk3030 View Post

Well its up and running.

1. MAJOR IPOD breakthru, buy it. Sure its not in the same league as playback on my DV60 but damm its convenient. I just let the tunes run all day as I did my usual domestic chores.

2. I think this is the bridge for the IPOD crowd to the highend.

OK, now the nuts & bolts:

1. I needed a longer digital cable to my rack, couldnt find one locally, so used some 75 Belden Coax I had & off to radio shack for a couple of connectors. So what $35K with of equipment and using $2 cable set up. Ya gotta love it.
2. It actually sounds pretty good. Wait, sounds really good & my hearing sucks.
3. Out of curiosity I also ran the analog outputs thru my Casablanca for A-B comparision. Oh, my god, the analog output is just as bad as I thought it would be. I was always to scared to do that.
4. One curious thing though, the ads I saw for it, show the front is lit up, it looks like there's an idicator but its blank. Then again maybe its the IR control. I'll call Wadia tomorrow.

Bottom line - pretty damm cool & Wadia is on to something.


From what I read over at Head-fi there is not a light, but just the IR control. The blue light in the ads is misleading. Mine should be here Monday. Can't wait.
post #38 of 148
Thread Starter 
I've had mine since yesterday, and am impressed. It sounds as good as my Cambridge Audio CDP, when switching back and forth between the iPod and the CD. I am using either Apple Lossless or WAV files and cannot be happier with the sound quality. Now on the other hand the remote sucks, and it would be nice if you could see the iPod display from the iTransport. But minor complaints that I can deal with.
post #39 of 148
I just received my Wadia iTransport. Know before you buy: this is not a fully developed product. If you own a video iPod--an iPod model Wadia claims to fully support--and use the digital out, you have no practical access to your iPod library through either the iPod's LCD screen or any other OSD. You have to select / create a playlist before you connect it to the dock, and can only navigate within the playlist you have pre-selected. You can only access the full library using the iPod click wheel if you switch the output mode to analog, thus negating the main selling point of the product. To switch back to digital, you literally have to disconnect the iPod from the dock, and then reseat it, being mindful that you may have to turn off your processor also lest it be confused by the absence of signal.

The remote was clearly designed by someone who has never seen or operated an iPod. Navigation is painful. Imagine a cable box remote with only channel-by-channel click-through access to 3000+ stations. And that's not even its worse feature. Of the six buttons on the remote, two serve no function. 33% of the remote is useless by design. And remember, with no LCD display, you have to rely on your memory to locate a song on the playlist (is Stairway to Heaven before or after Black Dog")? Even if you change the mode output to analog, there is no menu button on the remote. It takes engineering vision and guts to design a useless retro remote control.

The unit is made in China, not the U.S. like other Wadia products. The iTransport is the only Wadia product cased in an aluminum powder-coated box. There is not a polished surface to be found anywhere. I'm sure the marketing team at Wadia is thrilled a consumer market exists that is willing to drop their build expectations just to obtain the Wadia logo on a piece of equipment. Well done you!

For those who might wonder, "what about the sound quality", why would you even consider purchasing a product that diminishes the functionality of the product it's supposedly designed to enhance? Shouldn't that tell you something about the quality of thought that went into making it? Seriously. Read the iTransport manual posted on Wadia's website. If you are not appalled by the poor design and limitations of this product, you should really re-evaluate your expectations of this or any other audio manufacturer.

I am not typically a first adopter electronics buyer. I ignored what I know about 1st generation products, and purchased the iTransport based on the information Wadia made available prior to its release, and the company's reputation for quality. It's obvious they rushed the iTransport to market before it was ready. There are clearly a number of Wadia fans in the marketplace. I wanted to be one of them. I did not purchase the iTransport to be deliberately disappointed. I only wanted the iTransport to work as advertised, and be engineered at least as well as a $40 aftermarket iPod dock from Best Buy. Wadia missed on both accounts. I expected much more from Wadia.
post #40 of 148
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Originally Posted by uclaid View Post

I just received my Wadia iTransport. Know before you buy: this is not a fully developed product. If you own a video iPod--an iPod model Wadia claims to fully support--and use the digital out, you have no practical access to your iPod library through either the iPod's LCD screen or any other OSD. I only wanted the iTransport to work as advertised, and be engineered at least as well as a $40 aftermarket iPod dock from Best Buy. Wadia missed on both accounts. I expected much more from Wadia.

Sounds like a total rip off!! I just saved $350 thanks. I will just grab an ipod dock on Amazon
post #41 of 148
You're welcome wse. You would be amazed how many people have attacked my criticisms of this product. The moderator on the Audigon website has even blocked my ability to defend my position. I had no idea Audigon operated out of Beijing (or may be Wadia's corporate offices) . Here is the response they blocked (some statements are duplicated in my post above):

Allow me respond to some of the comments about my criticisms of the Wadia iTransport.

Regarding my buying this item blindly: There was virtually no information about iTransport and iPod compatibility issues before the iTransport's release. This includes Wadia's own web site which I researched. Moreover, Wadia lists the iPod Video as being compatible with the iTransport. It's even printed on the box! Compatible means retaining basic functionality while working together (look it up in a dictionary if you need to; I'll wait). How could anyone define the inability to navigate the iPod library when the iPod is connected to the iTransport in digital mode as being compatible? Perhaps Wadia is using the word compatible in an Orwellian doublespeak way that I'm not prepared to accept quite yet. Well call me Winston, and bring out the rats.

Regarding Build and Remote Functionality: I stand by my remarks. The iTransport is the only Wadia product cased in an aluminum powder-coated box. There is not a polished surface to be found anywhere. Just off the top of my head, I can think of at least a dozen excellent audio products on the market with a retail less than $379 that have a polished front plate. I'm sure the marketing team at Wadia is thrilled that there appears to be a few posters on this forum prepared to drop their build expectations just to obtain the Wadia logo on a piece of equipment. Well done you!

The remote was clearly designed by someone who has never seen or operated an iPod. Seriously, no menu button!?! Imagine a cable box remote with only channel-by-channel click-through access to 3000+ stations? And that's not even its worse feature. Of the six buttons on the remote, two serve no function. 33% of the remote is useless by design. It takes vision and guts to engineer a useless retro remote control.

Money to Burn: I spent $299 on my video Ipod, and it works beautifullyso much so, I wanted to incorporate into my audio system. My Shure EC5 headphones (also purchased for around $299) are an absolute joy to listen to. The $15 LED clock radio my wife bought at Target keeps excellent time, and wakes us at the hour we set. So what should I expect from a $379 Ipod dock from Wadia? Let's start with something basic liking working as advertised. Too much to ask for? Okay. How about a product that doesn't diminish the functionality of the product it's supposedly designed to enhance? Still asking for the moon? Wow! How about engineering that doesn't take remote design back 40 years? Pie in the sky? I feel badly that I can't drop my expectations any further than this. Perhaps I am being much too harsh on the poor folks at Wadia.

Those of you who seem so ready to defend a clearly misrepresented and poorly engineered product should really ask yourself, why? I have not posted a single mistruth about the iTransport; every statement I have made can be confirmed through Wadia's own website. The preposterous arguments I have read defending this product (what do you expect for $379?) suggest a fragile and desperate effort to justify a poor purchase. Even in the land of Audiophile, it's more important to be a critical thinker than a critical listener.
post #42 of 148
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by uclaid View Post

You're welcome wse. You would be amazed how many people have attacked my criticisms of this product. The moderator on the Audigon website has even blocked my ability to defend my position. I had no idea Audigon operated out of Beijing (or may be Wadia's corporate offices) . Here is the response they blocked (some statements are duplicated in my post above):

Allow me respond to some of the comments about my criticisms of the Wadia iTransport.

Regarding my buying this item blindly: There was virtually no information about iTransport and iPod compatibility issues before the iTransport's release. This includes Wadia's own web site which I researched. Moreover, Wadia lists the iPod Video as being compatible with the iTransport. It's even printed on the box! Compatible means retaining basic functionality while working together (look it up in a dictionary if you need to; I'll wait). How could anyone define the inability to navigate the iPod library when the iPod is connected to the iTransport in digital mode as being compatible? Perhaps Wadia is using the word compatible in an Orwellian doublespeak way that I'm not prepared to accept quite yet. Well call me Winston, and bring out the rats.

Regarding Build and Remote Functionality: I stand by my remarks. The iTransport is the only Wadia product cased in an aluminum powder-coated box. There is not a polished surface to be found anywhere. Just off the top of my head, I can think of at least a dozen excellent audio products on the market with a retail less than $379 that have a polished front plate. I'm sure the marketing team at Wadia is thrilled that there appears to be a few posters on this forum prepared to drop their build expectations just to obtain the Wadia logo on a piece of equipment. Well done you!

The remote was clearly designed by someone who has never seen or operated an iPod. Seriously, no menu button!?! Imagine a cable box remote with only channel-by-channel click-through access to 3000+ stations? And that's not even its worse feature. Of the six buttons on the remote, two serve no function. 33% of the remote is useless by design. It takes vision and guts to engineer a useless retro remote control.

Money to Burn: I spent $299 on my video Ipod, and it works beautifullyso much so, I wanted to incorporate into my audio system. My Shure EC5 headphones (also purchased for around $299) are an absolute joy to listen to. The $15 LED clock radio my wife bought at Target keeps excellent time, and wakes us at the hour we set. So what should I expect from a $379 Ipod dock from Wadia? Let's start with something basic liking working as advertised. Too much to ask for? Okay. How about a product that doesn't diminish the functionality of the product it's supposedly designed to enhance? Still asking for the moon? Wow! How about engineering that doesn't take remote design back 40 years? Pie in the sky? I feel badly that I can't drop my expectations any further than this. Perhaps I am being much too harsh on the poor folks at Wadia.

Those of you who seem so ready to defend a clearly misrepresented and poorly engineered product should really ask yourself, why? I have not posted a single mistruth about the iTransport; every statement I have made can be confirmed through Wadia's own website. The preposterous arguments I have read defending this product (what do you expect for $379?) suggest a fragile and desperate effort to justify a poor purchase. Even in the land of Audiophile, it's more important to be a critical thinker than a critical listener.


I seem to have read on both Wadia and Music Direct's website a few weeks before it came out the limitations the iTransport had. Yeah the remote sucks, and I wish I could see the iPod display on my TV display, but I knew about the limitations before it came out. How is it you did not. Did you return the unit since it did not meet your needs? This is how you show you do not like the product. The fact that it is a Wadia Product, played no part in my decision to buy this product. I knew practically nothing about Wadia before the iTransport was announced. If I had the version of the iPod you own, I would have not purchased the iTransport, due to its limitations. But like I said, the information was posted on the websites before it shipped. You could have cancelled your purchase.
post #43 of 148
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Sounds like a total rip off!! I just saved $350 thanks. I will just grab an ipod dock on Amazon


The iPod docks still do not bypass the internal DACS, so you would be wasting your money as well. Just buy a cable, and hook it into the analog ports of your AVR.
post #44 of 148
Dbackfan:

Of course I have returned my iTransport. $379 is awfully expensive for a paperweight.

As to why I am so adamant about make others aware of the extreme limitations of this product, I am angry that Wadia took a great idea and not only totally fumbled the execution, but kept the consumer in the dark until just before its release. I did research this product when I ordered it on 5/6/08 through musicdirect, checking for information updates through the beginning of June on both Wadia's and musicdirect websites as well Google searches. Contrary to your observation, the compatibility issues with the video iPod and G1 Nano did not appear during this period. Product reviews by the audiophile press earlier in the year also failed to mention these limitations.

If the remote could be replaced by another that would provide the functionality and accessibility I think most people want from their iPod, I would probably drop my rant about its poor design. I myself have replaced the remotes of all my other equipment with a single Universal remote. But because Wadia didn't include something as basic as the menu button on its own remote, I can't even program my Universal remote to assume this function. The remotes on iPod docks that cost a tenth of Wadia is charging have a menu button. Why should anyone accept less from Wadia?

Finally, from what I have so far read, there is no way to update the firmware / software of the iTransport to facilitate future iPod models, or correct compatibility with past models. Given that Apple has historically introduced new iPod models about every 18 months, and the iTransport doesn't support even current Apple products like the popular iPhone, it seems like Wadia has created a product that is almost obsolete before it has time to find a consumer base. An audiophile may hang on to VPI turntable (for example) for years, but the minute a new iPod model is released, the replacement clock starts ticking. Is Wadia expecting iTransport fans to be equally prepared to replace this dock with a future model?

If this product was made by some no-name company in Asia, and sold for $40, I wouldn't give it a second look. Nor would I spend a minute of my time warning people about it. Caveat emptor. But Wadia is like the Mercedes Benz of digital audio. If Mercedes Benz had built the Pacer, but stuck its label on it just like any other Mercedes, wouldn't you be upset with Mercedes? Such an act not only tarnishes the reputation of the company, but also diminishes the brand so many have placed their faith (and money) in. This is why I am (and others should be) upset with Wadia.
post #45 of 148
Related System Components:
Ipod Classic (160gb), Onkyo PR SC885 Pre/Pro, Sunfire TGA 7400 amplifier, Salk SongTower speakers...

Note: I have not connected component video ability yet. I have little or no interest in storing and playing video from the Ipod at this time.

Pros:

* SOUND: Wonderful, detailed, full, clean. It's lossless from CDs, so it's at least as good. It may very well be better since there is no moving parts and such a direct path to the DACs, but I have not yet A/B tested to try and hear a difference.
* CONVENIENCE: The Ipod controls and menus are still usable when docked so you can change settings or playlists while it's docked (Ipod Classic). It is so fun and wonderful to have my entire CD music collection available by Artist, Genre, Album, Playlist, etc. And it's great to be able to shuffle music with no gaps between songs (like a multi disc player). You can skip / pause / and play songs from remote.
* COST: It may be the cheapest component ever sold by Wadia and it is unique in it's ability to bypass the IPOD DAC.
* OTHER: My Universal learning remote was able to learn the skip song commands from the Wadia remote.


Cons:

* THE REMOTE: So small as to be quickly lost between seat cushions. My learning remote was NOT able to learn the Pause/Play button from the Wadia remote.
* CONVENIENCE: Can't see and navigate the Ipod menu from the TV screen.
* COST: There's really not much to this component. It's light weight and it's appearance is not bad but nothing special and it lacks ANY features beyond the very basics of passing video and sound signals (and skipping songs). Lastly, for less money the 160gb Apple TV will hold just as much music as this Ipod/Wadia combination, pass it digitally "perfect", and do much more for several hundred dollars less than the combo (Of course ATV has cons too: like running hot and needing the Telivision turned on to navigate and not being portable).
* OTHER: When you leave the Ipod connected but not playing, it charges it until charged and then the Ipod shows the battery symbol and "charged". That's OK, but I wish it had a power on / off feature. Lastly, mine came with finger prints all over it. No biggie.


All in all the Wadia itransport is what I expected and I love the convenience, usability, and tremendous sound quality. I will continue to rip any new music (Apple lossless) to my Windows computer which will sync to the Ipod for an ever growing and easily accessible and very playable library.
post #46 of 148
Is there any other device that can work with the ipod to achieve the same audio quality without the sacrifice in usability that doesn't cost $1000?
post #47 of 148
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Originally Posted by SpiritMachine View Post

Is there any other device that can work with the ipod to achieve the same audio quality without the sacrifice in usability that doesn't cost $1000?

Not yet. Wadia is the only one bypassing the Ipod's DAC in favor of your own.
post #48 of 148
I just got mine yesterday.

Its relatively cheap, face it 350 - 400 bucks for audio equipment is pretty minimal. Considering some people will drop that and more for a cable, its not an "expensive" addition to your system.

I have an NAD T175, adcom 7.1 power amp, Dali Helicons.

The addition of the iTransport is great, and I feel it was worth it.

***********************

Why do I like it?

First and foremost, the internal dac on an ipod blows. The high end has that annoying A.M. radio sound. Many folks want 10,000,000,000,000 songs or so on their pod and record at low bit rates. They can save their money. If you don't import to the ipod in very high wav or lossless, just get a regular dock or plug into your amp through the headphone jack. You won't miss anything and you can save your money for a 1000 gig ipod for more stomped on files.

If you have true high bit rate files, and you care about playback quality, the iTransport is plain awesome. The high end is smooth and pleasant, there is no "sizz" that gives you a headache and really ruins the experience (for me at least).

I have used BOTH the analog outputs (which bypass the noisy volume stage of the ipod) and the digital spdif cable into my NAD. BOTH sound really good. One thing that may help is that I am using Kimber Hero cables on the analog output. They could make a big difference, I can only tell you that both the analog and full digital output are really, really, great sounding. The digital spdif cable is a mass produced "convenience" that they included (nicely) in the box so that you could use it right away. That being said, the manual even says its not top quality - and that there are many better cables out there - I will be getting one and let you know.

I have the ipod Video. Does it suck that the menu disappears? We'll, yeah I guess I would rather have the menus. That being said, I am working on playlists, and can play albums, artists, shuffles, whatever. I was told by an audio dealer that Apple is working on a compatible firmware upgrade. If they get it done great, if not, I am not going to lose any sleep.

Some people call the iTransport "big". Big is a relative term. This thing is 1/4 the size of the smallest piece of audio equipment I have. The case looks nice to me, the isolating legs are cool. The back panel is a littly flimsy, but thats my only criticism. Also, the manual is written in a sort of "pseudo apple" simpleton fashion. It has its purpose I guess.

Those product bashers are a little harsh in my opinion. I am not going to get heavy handed wit the keyboard, but take it from me, this thing BLOWS AWAY any ipod dock that you could buy up until it came out. As long as you have full bitrate data, and a good system to play it through, get it! 350 bucks is a good deal for what it does - I have approx 700 albums in my pod, now I can FINALLY enjoy them in full color without getting out of my chair.

I have to go now - to sit on my duff and enjoy the wadia some more :-)

Plain and simple - the sound is very, very nice.
post #49 of 148
I believe that Apple TV does everything the Wadia does and more! After all, isn't what is in your ipod also on your itunes? If yes, then it can be streamed wirelessly to an Apple TV.
post #50 of 148
I have owned both the Wadia 170iTransport and the AppleTV and both were returned after on a few days. The iTransport would not work with my Anthem D2 for some reason and I also could not get passed not having a display other than the iPod screen to navigate my music collection. So, I bought an Apple TV. The sound quality while streaming wirelessly from the computer was not good. The sound was better via the optical output, but I still was not as happy as I was with my Squeezebox. The interface was excellent however.

I finally returned everything, sold my 160 GB iPod on Craigslist, and bought a MacBook. I decided to go ahead and bite the bullet and make the ultimate purchase instead of a band aid purchase that would get my by for a while.
post #51 of 148
Actually when I ordered mine I broke one of my own longstanding digital rules - NEVER BUY A FIRST GENERATION DIGITAL DEVICE.

That being said, its still pretty neat in the scheme of things.
post #52 of 148
Wow, are you guys serious about there being no on screen display with the iTransport? I was trying to decide between the DLO HomeDock HD(not released yet) and the Wadia, but I guess this kills the Wadia for me. Why wouldn't they include on screen display functionality that docks 1/3 of its price have?
post #53 of 148
For what it is worth, here is a review in the latest Playback (on page 208):
http://magazine.playbackmag.net/playback/200808/
post #54 of 148
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Originally Posted by TDI Driver View Post

For what it is worth, here is a review in the latest Playback (on page 208):
http://magazine.playbackmag.net/playback/200808/

Yup, I've seen that. It gets decent marks even for user interface which confounds me. No on screen navigation for a transport at that price point is inexcusable in my opinion.
post #55 of 148
My question is a simple one really. Is there any point in this dock if my system includes an HTPC networked to a NAS that can deliver unconverted digital audio to my Integra 8.8 either by itunes (even controlled with iRemote if desired) or 320kbps MP3s directly via any desired player? I like the idea of it but it does seem pretty redundant for this setup.
post #56 of 148
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

My question is a simple one really. Is there any point in this dock if my system includes an HTPC networked to a NAS that can deliver unconverted digital audio to my Integra 8.8 either by itunes (even controlled with iRemote if desired) or 320kbps MP3s directly via any desired player? I like the idea of it but it does seem pretty redundant for this setup.

Yeah, redundant. In my case I am looking for an iPod dock for someone who is not very tech savvy so they can just pop in their iPod and go.
post #57 of 148
I was one of the earliest adopters, from what I can tell from the various forums, I was the first to actually have/listen to it.

It may be heresy but I really don't give a *hit about all the techical babble, I drop the ipod it and fire up the tunes. I'm not one of this folks that put every conceivable song on it, I only load on the ones I really like, and let er shuffle. Just enjoy the music.
post #58 of 148
Because I have limited space in my livingroom system, I'm hoping to use the Wadia feeding a it's signal to a the DA converter inside a CD player. This requires a CD player with a Digital input feature. My Arcam FMJ CD23, does not have a digital-input. Can anyone recommend a CD player that does have digital in? My jolida is a simple 40 integrated, so no option of a DAC there.
post #59 of 148
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Originally Posted by bobcphoto View Post

Because I have limited space in my livingroom system, I'm hoping to use the Wadia feeding a it's signal to a the DA converter inside a CD player. This requires a CD player with a Digital input feature. My Arcam FMJ CD23, does not have a digital-input. Can anyone recommend a CD player that does have digital in? My jolida is a simple 40 integrated, so no option of a DAC there.

The Cambridge Azur 840C has digital inputs, and some great DAC at that.

DJoel
post #60 of 148
Here we go has anyone experience actually have bought both units the Wadia 170i Transport vs Apple TV sound quality.

I have read a lot about the Wadia 170i Transport and think that there are a lot of short coming including the fact that it doesn't support any older or newer version of iTune like the iPod touch??

I have all my music as apple loosless files want the best sound quality. I hope that Apple will make their own docking station that bypass the iPod internal dac

Macworld is just around the corner and I am sure they are going to upgrade their iMac hopefully, the Apple TV as well with HDMi 1.3a and who knows what else
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