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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post

Wonder how much that election cost....

... and I wonder if we shouldn't go back to the original method. Top vote getter = President ... Second = Vice Pres ... no "tickets."
post #212 of 302
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Originally Posted by allargon View Post

Weekly bump. The camera was really at an angle tonight.

Reminded me of the old Batman series.

Liked the series at first...now it just seems too long.
post #213 of 302
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Originally Posted by HeyNow^ View Post

Don't you just want to sqeeze those white headed pimples on his nose? God only knows we are being subjected to extreme closeups for over an hour each week. Didn't they have mirrors back then?

Hah! I was wondering if I was the only one! I can barely stand to watch this guy any longer because of that and his expressions/mannerisms. How much of those pimples/blemishes, etc, are the actor's makeup versus Paul himself?
If it's Paul, he's got some real problems.....
post #214 of 302
I thought that last night's episode could hardly have been better dramatically. I agree, though, that some of the camera work was off-putting. I found the tilted camera perspectives particularly annoying, although the sets and exteriors continued to be consistently beautiful. The closeups of Adams' face did not bother me at all, though. Adams was portly, aging, and not very handsome to begin with, so showing him warts and all seemed to me to be a good choice.

Speaking of warts and all, the show does not try to sugar coat Jefferson's extreme, some would say ill advised, positions about the French Revolution and its bloody excesses. I wonder how they will tell the tale of the presidential election of 1800, in which Jefferson defeated Adams by turning it into a partisan political fight, thereby leaving Adams feeling betrayed. Adams had a point, given Washington's abhorrence of and desire to avoid partisan political wrangling in American politics.

I have also enjoyed the show's examination of John and Abigail's relationship. Adams was a prickly guy with a big mouth, which frequently made him his own worst enemy. Nevertheless, the patient Abigail managed to rise above her husband's difficult nature and serve not just as a wife but also as a brilliant and effective partner. What a woman!
post #215 of 302
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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post

... and I wonder if we shouldn't go back to the original method. Top vote getter = President ... Second = Vice Pres ... no "tickets."

Those votes were from the Electoral College, same as today. It certainly would be a hoot to see the second vote getter become VP - imagine the fun!
post #216 of 302
HBO has discovered an anti-piracy trick for "John Adams" borrowed from the broadcast networks. 1:08 min for the first episode, 1:31 minutes for the second, just enough time to annoy the hell out of anyone wanting to do 1 hour on a single layer DVD or force someone to break out a dual layer for barely over an hour. Slick....

Honestly, I hope they employ this method in the future rather than imploring multichannel providers to restrict HD resolutions to HDMI/DVI.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archi.../t-846429.html
post #217 of 302
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Originally Posted by allargon View Post

HBO has discovered an anti-piracy trick for "John Adams" borrowed from the broadcast networks. 1:08 min for the first episode, 1:31 minutes for the second, just enough time to annoy the hell out of anyone wanting to do 1 hour on a single layer DVD or force someone to break out a dual layer for barely over an hour. Slick....

Honestly, I hope they employ this method in the future rather than imploring multichannel providers to restrict HD resolutions to HDMI/DVI.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archi.../t-846429.html

Man, I must be getting old, that was not even on my radar....However...that damn pimple has me up late at night...
post #218 of 302
I just finished watching this week’s episode of John Adams and was surprised to see that nobody has posted about it yet.

I particularly enjoyed the visuals of the new “President’s House,” in its moonscape setting in the newly built “Washington City.” All of that serves to remind us that life was still primitive in 1800, even for the President and his family.

The delineation of Adams’ character continues to be fascinating. He was so stubborn and hardheaded that he could not find it in his heart to forgive his son, the unfortunate Charles, even after Charles’ death. Sad stuff.

What a constitution Adams must have had. He was fat, smoked cigars, and was subjected to 18th and early 19th Century healthcare. No matter, he still lived to be almost 91. Let’s hear it for obesity, cigars, and leeches!
post #219 of 302
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I just finished watching this week's episode of John Adams and was surprised to see that nobody has posted about it yet.

I particularly enjoyed the visuals of the new President's House, in its moonscape setting in the newly built Washington City. All of that serves to remind us that life was still primitive in 1800, even for the President and his family.

I wasn't impressed by the visuals at all. It looked fake. It looked like a mixture of CGI and painted sets. My gut says it was all CGI based on seeing the "Making of". My girlfriend and I both liked that they didn't sugarcoat the fact that Washington, D.C. was built by "half-fed" slaves.
post #220 of 302
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Originally Posted by FOPA View Post

I really enjoyed the first 2 installments, but grew weary watching the 3rd. There were some amusing moments with Franklin,the curmudgeony Adams and French decadence. But, it moved a little too slowly for me.

I really enjoy the political & historical opinions expressed here. And find it interesting that our present regime will quote many of the themes expressed by the FF's seeking liberty and freedom, while laying absolutely nothing personal on the line. Nothing but a few thousand of our troops and tens to hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives (depending upon whom you listen to) on the line for their alleged freedom and an hour a day of electricity.

Be careful of thy politico speech here. Other members are watching and commenting. I was chastized for of all things expressing a political opinion of such a politically-driven mini-series.

But, aside from that - as I'm sure most of you have noticed - there have been some very carefully chosen phrases in key parts of the various episodes as I've watched the series. It really has been riveting!
post #221 of 302
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Originally Posted by Wytchone View Post

Am I the only one who felt badly for John Quincy Adams? Sent away at 14, harsh.

Not at all. It struck to close to home for me NOT to feel something.
post #222 of 302
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Originally Posted by lwien View Post

PLEASE don't turn this into a political thread. God only knows that there are enough of THOSE around.

I'm sorry. This is both an historical and POLITICAL series, whether you like it or not. Some of us rather enjoy seeing and drawing the parallels, however divergent they have become in over 200 years. I suggest not reading those posts that are political in nature. Personally, I have found the political statements and viewpoints far more riveting then the period(historical times) in which they are set.
post #223 of 302
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Originally Posted by TeacherMan View Post

Awesome film, even my wife (who is not a film and history geek like me) is enjoying it, that really says something for the production. As far Mr. Adams illness, the best I can discover is either malaria or typhus.

Same here. My wife now looks forward to spending Sunday night in my media room enjoying the series in HD. We both absolutely love it. I grew up in Williamsburg, VA where some of the scenes were filmed.
post #224 of 302
Enjoyed the final segment today but thought the coverage of his presidency was too minimized by the more extensive melodrama. (Sure, buy the book.) Haven't really been tracking PQ of the segments. This one often seemed grainier and flesh tones were alternately too reddish in some of the darker scenes. Music segments caught my attention from an earlier earworm , cured when I recalled Kubrick's "Barry Lyndon" use of Handel's sarabande ( samples ), (D minor suite, HWV437). "It is used at various points in the film, in various arrangements, to indicate the implacable working of impersonal fate," as the Wikipedia Barry Lyndon piece puts it. -- John
post #225 of 302
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Originally Posted by John Mason View Post

Enjoyed the final segment today but thought the coverage of his presidency was too minimized by the more extensive melodrama. (Sure, buy the book.) Haven't really been tracking PQ of the segments. This one often seemed grainier and flesh tones were alternately too reddish in some of the darker scenes. Music segments caught my attention from an earlier earworm , cured when I recalled Kubrick's "Barry Lyndon" use of Handel's sarabande ( samples ), (D minor suite, HWV437). "It is used at various points in the film, in various arrangements, to indicate the implacable working of impersonal fate," as the Wikipedia Barry Lyndon piece puts it. -- John

John.. the final segment airs on Sunday
post #226 of 302
The final segment is next week...
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I commented to the wife that they should release this a movie theater for a week just so that Laura Linney can win an Oscar to go along with the Emmy she is going to win for her portrayal of Abigail Adams. What a tour de force.......
post #228 of 302
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Originally Posted by bobby94928 View Post

I commented to the wife that they should release this a movie theater for a week just so that Laura Linney can win an Oscar to go along with the Emmy she is going to win for her portrayal of Abigail Adams. What a tour de force.......

I can't wait to get it on BD. It's definitely a keeper. BTW, HBO is scheduled to re-air the first 6 episodes, this Sunday(4/20) afternoon starting at 2:00pm(I believe), concluding with the final episode(#7) at the regularly scheduled time of 9:00pm EDT. So, if you missed any episode or want to record the entire series, now's your chance. The HBO/John Adams marathon! Don't miss it.
post #229 of 302
Man you'll be calling everyone sir and after 8 hours of this show.
post #230 of 302
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Originally Posted by bobby94928 View Post

I commented to the wife that they should release this a movie theater for a week just so that Laura Linney can win an Oscar to go along with the Emmy she is going to win for her portrayal of Abigail Adams. What a tour de force.......

Agreed, she's been letter-perfect. I remember her from her first starring role in PBS's adaptation of Armistead Maupin's 'Tales of the City' (she was also in the sequel) back in 1993. Didn't think she was much of an actress way back then, but she's grown to be one of the best.
post #231 of 302
sorry as great as the acting has been on this show, I got bored with it its to slow.
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Originally Posted by Robert Clark View Post

The final segment is next week...

Maybe he got a double-secret copy ... or VOD?
post #233 of 302
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Originally Posted by Doom878 View Post

Man you'll be calling everyone sir and after 8 hours of this show.

Yes. My how the times have changed! I grew up in the 60's in VA, and it was expected to address parents, other adults, or anyone older then you as sir, or mam - and in school teachers. I remember vividly being 14, or 15 at the time and referring to one of my teachers as 'man', and I was taught an immediate lesson in respect. At least we've shrugged off the other personal greetings of the time period. But I digress....
post #234 of 302
I noticed in corporate culture also. My supervisors all the way up to the CEO are addressed by their first names. However I see it ironic that sports athletes, some unprofessional, still address their billionaire owner as Mr. Davis, instead of Al. Ironic because they're not in the typical corporate America.
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Originally Posted by Doom878 View Post

I noticed in corporate culture also. My supervisors all the way up to the CEO are addressed by their first names. However I see it ironic that sports athletes, some unprofessional, still address their billionaire owner as Mr. Davis, instead of Al. Ironic because they're not in the typical corporate America.

If a boss wrote me checks for millions each year, I'd address him as "Mr. ___" too! Or whatever he dang well wanted.
post #236 of 302
I have now watched the final episode of John Adams and enjoyed it. I had forgotten that Adams reached out to Jefferson after Adams' beloved daughter, Nabby, had died. The TV show took some liberties with these facts, portraying Adams' reconciliation with Jefferson as having occurred after Abigail's death, although that was many years after the actual event.

I enjoyed the irony of Adams' prediction that Jefferson's reputation would not be hurt by the despicable James Callender's accusations concerning Jefferson's part in a scandal during John Adams' administration that had been ruinous to Adams' chances of reelection in 1800, and that Jefferson had fathered children with his slave, Sally Hemings. Adams' prediction notwithstanding, Jefferson's betrayal of Adams while he served as his vice president is well known history and the accusations concerning Jefferson's liaisons with Hemings have gained a lot of credibility as a result of modern DNA testing.

No matter what one may think of the Hemings issue, Jefferson's reputation now clearly is not what it was a hundred years ago and Adams' is much enhanced, thanks in part to David McCullough's biography and this terrific series. History does strange things.
post #237 of 302
What a great piece of Fate that these two patriots managed to live until the 50th anniversary of their beloved country, then die within hours of each other.
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

No matter what one may think of the Hemings issue, Jefferson’s reputation now clearly is not what it was a hundred years ago and Adams’ is much enhanced, thanks in part to David McCullough’s biography and this terrific series. History does strange things.

The facts of history never change. It’s the revealing of the hidden facts that changes history.

Sorry, HBO. John Adams Wasn't That Much of a Hero.

By Jack Rakove
Sunday, April 20, 2008

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Here's one scene that did not make it into the epic HBO miniseries on the life of John Adams that ends tonight. It is June 23, 1775, and members of the Continental Congress accompany George Washington as he sets off to command the provisional army outside Boston. Adams rides along, then returns to his Philadelphia digs and writes in self-pity to his wife Abigail: I "must leave others to wear the Lawrells which I have sown; others to eat the Bread which I have earned -- A Common Case."

Coming at the zenith of the colonists' revolutionary fervor, two months after Lexington and Concord, this was a stunning statement. It was also classic Adams. At the very moment when selfless feelings of patriotism ran highest, he was already fretting about whether his countrymen and history would treat him fairly, whether his contributions to "the common cause" would be justly recognized.

This outburst of envy and self-doubt -- one among so many -- goes to the heart of our John Adams problem. Was Adams, as his admiring biographer David McCullough would have it, the one leading founder who has never received his due? Or was he his own worst enemy, succumbing to a temper and vanity unique among his contemporaries? HBO is keen to usher him into the canon, but Adams did a great deal to earn the devastating assessment that has trailed him ever since Benjamin Franklin first quipped it in 1783: "He means well for his Country, and is always an honest Man, often a Wise One, but sometimes and in some things, absolutely out of his senses."

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post #239 of 302
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Originally Posted by rickmccamy View Post

What a great piece of Fate that these two patriots managed to live until the 50th anniversary of their beloved country, then die within hours of each other.

It truly is unbelievable. Some kind of psychic or spiritual connection at play here, no? I mean, what are the odds?
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Originally Posted by lwien View Post

It truly is unbelievable. Some kind of psychic or spiritual connection at play here, no? I mean, what are the odds?

No, the odds may be long, but that doesn't rule it out. The odds of winning the lottery are in the neighborhood of 20 million to 1, but someone wins it every couple of weeks.
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