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post #3031 of 7775
My TV is angled away from the wall. The right edge is 3.5" from the wall and the left edge is 21" from the wall.

What should I do about backlighting? I was thinking of the double Idealume light and making one brighter than the other. Or I could do a single Idealume light and either let the backlighting be slightly uneven or else use some aluminum foil to dim the side closest to the wall.

Thanks for any thoughts!
post #3032 of 7775
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Originally Posted by bytebuster View Post

I noticed the exact same thing.
I too own a 42 inch 600U and the 50 inch 800U
I found the sound quality on the 800U to be a step down.
I get the feeling it has something to do with the speaker placement.
The 600U sound definitely has more depth. I find the sound on the 800U a little flat

Oh well, sounds like I am not alone in thinking the sound on the 800 is not as good as one would have hoped. I have also read other reviews in other places that also said they were a little disapointed with the sound.

It does sound very good, but based on some early reviews here, I was hoping for a little better.

I guess the good news is that I won't have to call for service since it appears my set is working as it is supposed to.

I still think it is a great set and I am very happy with the purchase.

I must admit I do not really understand many of the technical things and concerns that people here are discussing and / criticizing about the 800. In my simple view of the set, I think it is great and my family & I totally enjoy watching it.

I guess sometimes ignorance is bliss.

Thanks
post #3033 of 7775
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Originally Posted by chrisherbert View Post

Better meaning lower. In ideal conditions (meaning from straight on), my parents' Samsung 71 LCD has better blacks than my Panasonic 700u. Not hugely better but it's noticeable. The Home Theater Magazine review confirmed this so as far as I can tell they're trustworthy.

The 750 may not have better black levels than 2008 plasma but I'll bet they're better than most 2007 plasmas.

i bet the 750 does have some of the best blacks of 2007 much like the 2008's do for this years in the same way.

But i was pretty sure both in measurements and even visually it's pretty easy to tell the plasmas superiority in black levels for the most part. Even the Cnet review stated that the LCD's from this year out of samsung didnt come close to the 800u, and i imagine both sets improved over last years versions.
post #3034 of 7775
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Originally Posted by jiwright View Post

On my set that light only goes on when I put an SD card in.....hmmmm?

same here. no blue light unless there is an SD card.
post #3035 of 7775
Sorry,
Don't mean to be rude..

By any chance someone here have 50PZ800U & Samsung LN52A650 LCD side by side for comparison?

I know it's probably mention somewhere here.. can't wait to read that much. I must buy it tomorrow or so. I've got relatives to be impress.

Anybody has recommendations? pro vs cons?

thank you
post #3036 of 7775
I don't mean to be rude but you people that want to buy LCD's and POI's or want to obsess endlessly about black levels which no human being from planet Earth that I know can visibly discern could you find another thread, this is supposed to be owners of the 800U series talking seriously about our viewing experiences and settings. And tubeavs1, god bless you.
post #3037 of 7775
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Originally Posted by johnnylighton View Post

My TV is angled away from the wall. The right edge is 3.5" from the wall and the left edge is 21" from the wall.

What should I do about backlighting? I was thinking of the double Idealume light and making one brighter than the other. Or I could do a single Idealume light and either let the backlighting be slightly uneven or else use some aluminum foil to dim the side closest to the wall.

Thanks for any thoughts!

The web site for Ideal-Lume is packed with information, and is found at www.cinemaquestinc.com/ideal_lume.htm. There's also an active board here for Bias Lighting, and most questions get answered by one of the manufacturers of Ideal-Lume lighting, George Alan Brown. He's great about answering questions, but prefers if you do your homework first by reading through the content on their web site.

Hope this helps.
post #3038 of 7775
By the way, the link to the Video Bias Lighting forum is here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=451527
post #3039 of 7775
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Originally Posted by tubeavs1 View Post

Oh well, sounds like I am not alone in thinking the sound on the 800 is not as good as one would have hoped. I have also read other reviews in other places that also said they were a little disapointed with the sound.

It does sound very good, but based on some early reviews here, I was hoping for a little better.

I guess the good news is that I won't have to call for service since it appears my set is working as it is supposed to.

I still think it is a great set and I am very happy with the purchase.

I must admit I do not really understand many of the technical things and concerns that people here are discussing and / criticizing about the 800. In my simple view of the set, I think it is great and my family & I totally enjoy watching it.

I guess sometimes ignorance is bliss.

Thanks

Great post. Being happy with your set is what really counts. I hope you and your family have a great 4th!
post #3040 of 7775
Hi guys.

Im salivating over the 42800u. But its for my bedroom. And Ill be about 8 feet away. Is this going to be overkill? Should I just get the 720P version?

I guess what Im asking is will I experience the benefits of 1080P and this set if I am that far away. Thoughts? Thanks
post #3041 of 7775
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Originally Posted by steevo123 View Post

Hi guys.

Im salivating over the 42800u. But its for my bedroom. And Ill be about 8 feet away. Is this going to be overkill? Should I just get the 720P version?

I guess what Im asking is will I experience the benefits of 1080P and this set if I am that far away. Thoughts? Thanks

We have our 42800U in our bedroom and are 9-10 feet away. It looks great and we are very happy with the set. You may or may not notice the difference in detail between 720p and 1080p at this size, but you will notice how accurate the color is on the 800U compared to other sets when using the THX mode. Plus the speakers are pretty good for a bedroom TV, but not as good as a surround system. Hope this helps.
post #3042 of 7775
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Originally Posted by realmatt View Post

WOO HOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

It finally shipped!!!

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Shipment #1: Shipped on July 3, 2008

Shipping estimate:July 3, 2008
Delivery estimate:July 15, 2008 (More about estimates)
1 package via CEVAwith tracking number

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(The delivery estimate sucks!)

Hmm...coming from Irving, TX to Orlando, Fl. ...I can't imagine it taking to the 15th.

For those who ordered from Amazon, is CEVA that slow?

Mine arrived a day early...
post #3043 of 7775
Overview at one month with the 800U:

Excellent!

There is no TV that is perfect; but this one is about as close as it gets overall.

With about 140 hours on it, it just continues to get better, richer, more accurate, more stunning.

Note for new owners of 800U. This picture you see in the first 5 hours of use is NOT the same picture you see after 100 hours of use. If you have any type of calibration disc, you will be able to confirm that yourself. This single biggest area of change I see is in overall screen purity. That one aspect purity looks just like any other HD set out of the box.after break-in it is in a class by itself IMO.

Sound system: At first I felt the sound had a flat spot. During the last week I spent a deal of time, just auditioning the sound. And more importantly comparing it to the 32 Trinitron. Our ears were so trained to the Trinitron which focuses only in the 250-1200 range, we thought that was normal..but of course it is not. The Panasonic simply does not have that Peak at 1,200 that we thought was a flat spot compared to the Sony's peak at 1,200. So I do stand by my very first impression the sound is excellent, smooth, even, pure, and solid; from about 40 to 20,000 (I should say as far up as I can hear?). The sound is clear and completely undistorted from a volume setting of 10 to 45. Be careful with sound: Just like Picture Quality; there are Good sources and Bad sources, so be careful not to confuse a Bad Source with underperforming sound system. It is just that the sound system on the 800U is so good it will reveal a lot of flaws in a Low Quality Sound Source.

Blacks, it is among the best, and addresses 98-99% of my requirements. It does produce blacks as dark as the frame, and you have to have High Quality source material to get that. Black details IMO in the 16-22 ranges are better than what I have seen on other sets.

Color Accuracy: I have not seen any set that is better.

Screen Color Purity combined with Lack of Video Noise combined with Lack of Crushing at both ends: Those three capabilities combined together is one specific area that Panasonic kills all the competition. From absolute black to absolute white, this set has far less video noise then any I have seen or tested. The screen lighting is more even and solid (purity), then any other display we have owned or tested. The sets' ability to reveal full black and full white details at the same time without crushing AND have pure whites (not yellow), is not touched by any other competitor on the market today. There are such a large number of models on the market today that produce very high levels of video noise in the 10%-20% range. A very high percentage of sets on the market today have very uneven screen lighting and exceptionally poor purity in the digital 160-200 range (often seen as false colors, or color blobs of red, green, or blue on what should be a grey screen.) It is those three items that I think has made the 800U so majorly popular. My wife makes simple. It just looks better

Fast Motion: It addresses all of my requirements, and it certainly kills any LCD's on the market today by a wide margin. Yes I know it is not as fast as DLP's (nothing is); but you have to give up way too much PQ in a DLP for the major gains in a Plasma.

Remote Control: Cnet and my wife love it. I hate it. I think it is stupid, I can't find the buttons in the dark, nor can I feel the difference in them. But surprisingly I do not watch the remote, strangely I watch the TV. So this is a non-issue.

The manual: It stinks. Just how many languages did it get converted to before it got to Texas English. I know for a fact it had to go through at least 25 iterations. Here is one simple example:

1. AI Sound: Equalizes overall volume levels across all channels and external inputs (on/off)

2. Audio leveler: Minimizes volume disparity after switching to external inputs (slider scale -10 to +10?)

Ok, so you think you kind of know what the two above explanations really mean don't you? - do they or do they not interact with each other? Is the AI sound really global as implied? Is the Audio Leveler, unique per port as implied? Maybe because it is under advanced settings? But why is Audio Leveler available under channels as well (a non external source, isn't it?)?


On Screen Help: Where are you? Not a biggie, but still, where are you?

Software and Program Information: No Program Content Information? No time clock from the station? The set's clock goes dead with power interruption? No start or stop time for the program? No visible slider bar for where you are (time wise) in the program? Is this a sitcom you are watching or a movie? That information tells you what you want/need to know. All the other companies have had that simple feature included for YEARS! Hello Panasonic this is not 1950.

The tuner: It's slow. Slower than Sony or Samsung, but still faster at tuning than Mit's (circa 2006). When switching between stations (flip/recall/whatever), it should be less than a second, getting to 3 seconds is a little annoying.

The CAT is dead: They failed to deliver the goods, what else can I say. Panasonic needs to figure out how to make that work correctly in a normal house. The CAT also has Extreme Rabies; it should not be killing color accuracy, gamma, or picture controls as it does now. Those are the real reasons everyone says to turn the CAT "off": 1. It does not work and 2. It has Rabbies if you turn it "on".

Like I said no TV is perfect. But from an overall HDTV stand point this is the best HDTV I have seen - EXCELLENT.

WOW, is all I can say.

Panasonic up by 1 in the 9th inning, the bases are loaded.

What will 2010 models bring?
1?
Full TV-Guide?
Absolute Black?
Tripple Fast Motion?
Full Born CAT-Alive(not dead with rabbies)?
Full OTA Program Information?
Much Faster Tuner?
Wireless N Built-In?
No double image stuff?

Ok, so what will my opinion be at 1,000 hours.............guess we have to wait!
post #3044 of 7775
steevo123, I think a lot depends on how you will be using the tv. If it's just going to be for casual viewing & listening then a 720p tv will be fine. I was faced with the same question when I was buying a 42" Panny for my daughter's bedroom & even though she was going to be using it for casual viewing I knew she would not be using a receiver for sound so besides a great Costco sale that was the biggest reason I went with the Panny PZ700 because of the Sound Quality not just the Picture Quality.
post #3045 of 7775
HoustonPerson, For the 2009 PZ900U I hope Panny puts back the P-I-P adds a 2nd RF Input & has a remote that lights up. Also 1080p over the Component & PC Inputs would also be nice along with an Earphone Jack & for God's Sake Please get rid of the "Lips Sticking Out" bezel design & do a one sheet glass over the whole front with holes in the glass for the speaker grills & door & while I'm at it how about adding a Sub-Woofer Output & a choice of Variable/Fixed Audio Outputs & it would be Very Nice if "All" the Audio "Inputs" could send Surround Sound "Out" through the Optical Audio Output.

And my daughter's complaint is, Will you please make "Seperate Buttons" on the remote for each input instead of having to open up a menu to choose them.

And for people who are not going to be using a Surround Sound Receiver how about adding "Wireless" Rear Speakers as an option at a reasonable price. This would be especially nice for a bedroom setup.
post #3046 of 7775
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Originally Posted by steevo123 View Post

Hi guys.

Im salivating over the 42800u. But its for my bedroom. And Ill be about 8 feet away. Is this going to be overkill? Should I just get the 720P version?

I guess what Im asking is will I experience the benefits of 1080P and this set if I am that far away. Thoughts? Thanks

In case you haven't seen this before, this is helpful in determining screen size to sitting distance and the impact on 1080P/720P resolution noticeability.

http://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/
post #3047 of 7775
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Originally Posted by caiman View Post

A quick question: What are your opinions on service plans? The Best Buy 4-year plan for the 800u is $340. Wise decision, or just for suckers?

Panasonic has the best reliability rating of any of the flat panels. Most of these extended service plans are high profit items and pushed by the sales folks. However the piece of mind might be worth it to some.

I once did a quick calculation of all the cost of all the service plans over ten years for my major appliances and electronics minus actual service calls and came to the conclusion I was about $7000 to $8000 ahead of the game by not purchasing any of the plans.
post #3048 of 7775
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

The tuner: It's slow. Slower than Sony or Samsung, but still faster at tuning than Mit's (circa 2006). When switching between stations (flip/recall/whatever), it should be less than a second, getting to 3 seconds is a little annoying.

My 800 takes an estimated 1/3 to 2/3 of a second to switch between channels with analog and digital cable. I wonder why yours takes so much longer?
post #3049 of 7775
Thanks folks,

Id actually be about 9 feet away so I guess 720P will have to do it. I SO desire the 800u though! lol.

maybe I could take some binoculars to bed
post #3050 of 7775
I would not buy ANY Extended Warranties from stores because they are too expensive but I did buy one for my daughter's 42" PZ700 from Chris at Mountavision & it was around $100.00 for a 3 year warranty that began after Panny's 1 year warranty was up so her set is covered for a total of 4 years & for me because my daughter lives in another state the $100.00 was more than worth the peace of mind for me. Chris goes under the name of creemail here & you can send him a PM & he is very easy to talk to with no pressure at all.
post #3051 of 7775
I pulled the trigger today and got the 50incher. BB had a decent price when combined with a 12% off coupon. I looked at the 850 and but couldn't justify the $600.00 price difference. I tried Pioneer but the set buzed too loud in my enviorment (drove me crazy). So six months later (no T.V. and about 50 new HD movies to watch) I finally have a set, well I will in two more weeks on the 17th when it gets delivered.
post #3052 of 7775
I've had my 46PZ800U for about three weeks now and one of the things that I have become more and more aware of is that this set is the first one I have ever seen that seems to get red right. Every TV I have seen, regardless of technology, has always had slightly orange-y reds. Not this one. It really struck me the other night when I was casually watching something on (I think) Discovery HD where they were showing a program about Ferraris. I couldn't help but say to myself when there were red Ferraris on screen that the color really was Ferrari red, not just any red. I don't know what phosphor Panasonic has used in this set but it seems to really get red the way it should be.
post #3053 of 7775
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Originally Posted by steevo123 View Post

Thanks folks,

Id actually be about 9 feet away so I guess 720P will have to do it. I SO desire the 800u though! lol.

maybe I could take some binoculars to bed

Don't take those stats too seriously. According to the viewing distance table, we should have a 70" TV for the 10' distance in our bedroom. We have a 42" 800u and I can clearly see the difference between a 720p signal and a 1080p signal, even though the chart shows that it shouldn't make a difference. Take a tape measure into a showroom and view some sets from 9' away. Trust your eyes, not a chart designed to sell large sets.
post #3054 of 7775
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

I've had my 46PZ800U for about three weeks now and one of the things that I have become more and more aware of is that this set is the first one I have ever seen that seems to get red right. Every TV I have seen, regardless of technology, has always had slightly orange-y reds. Not this one. It really struck me the other night when I was casually watching something on (I think) Discovery HD where they were showing a program about Ferraris. I couldn't help but say to myself when there were red Ferraris on screen that the color really was Ferrari red, not just any red. I don't know what phosphor Panasonic has used in this set but it seems to really get red the way it should be.

Same set and yes I have noticed that as well. Birds, cars, fish, and yea when the Mets played the Cardinals in HD, you see just about every kind of red at Busch Stadium, all right on 100%!
post #3055 of 7775
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Originally Posted by OgOgilby View Post

Don't take those stats too seriously. According to the viewing distance table, we should have a 70" TV for the 10' distance in our bedroom. We have a 42" 800u and I can clearly see the difference between a 720p signal and a 1080p signal, even though the chart shows that it shouldn't make a difference. Take a tape measure into a showroom and view some sets from 9' away. Trust your eyes, not a chart designed to sell large sets.

You must have the eyesight of an eagle if you can see a difference in resolution at ten feet. More likely what you are seeing is better source material.
post #3056 of 7775
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Originally Posted by Buckeye911 View Post

You must have the eyesight of an eagle if you can see a difference in resolution at ten feet. More likely what you are seeing is better source material.

Some stations broadcast video at 720p and some broadcast at 1080i. I can see the difference at 10' and I don't have eagle eyes (unless you consider 20-20 vision eagle eyes). The stations that broadcast at 1080i look sharper to me watching similar material. For example watching football on ESPN/ABC/FOX at 720p is not as clear as football on CBS at 1080i. I could see the difference at 10' with my 32" XBR LCD, - it was minor and you had to really look for it. On a 42" screen at 10' I can see the difference with no problem. All you have to do is look at the names on the back of the jerseys to see the difference. There is a lot more detail in a 1,920x1,080 image compared to a 1,280x720 image if both images are at high quality - even at 10'.

post #3057 of 7775
But the chart is talking about a 720p vs 1080p DISPLAY, right? Not the differences between a 720p and a 1080p SIGNAL displayed on the same 1080p TV.....? The charts says you wouldn't see the difference between a 720p native-resolution TV and a 1080p native-resolution TV at a certain distance, when both are given the same HD feed.
post #3058 of 7775
Is the 800 beating the 850?
(ala CNET)
Color-wise & on other PQ fronts?
(not including price point)

Eating Crow:
I had the 850 on top (pre-release).
My bias being against THX.
I'm realizing that not having "Digital Cinema Color Technology" & having "THX" might be a good thing!

Congrats too all the 800 owners & enjoy!
post #3059 of 7775
So I am sitting watching a film this afternoon with my wife on my 46PZ800U fed by my OPPO 983H since it was an SD DVD. During the film I start to see some distracting stuff happening at the very bottom of the screen. The film was originally shot for PAL so was probably not a good transfer anyway I switch to size 1, which is over scan, and everything in the universe is good until my wife asks me what I did. I realize I have no idea how to explain up-scaling 480P source material to 1080P, pixel mapping, 60Hz vs. 50Hz, interlaced, progressive, 3-2 pull down, SD, HD, BD, black levels, crush, and started to wonder if I really understand all that stuff myself. I decided on, "I just made the picture better". We continued to enjoy a great film on a great TV and everything in the universe is good again.
Have a great fourth everyone!
post #3060 of 7775
wait houston, what do you mean by screen purity? i dont get it. It almost sounds like you're saying the screen uniformity is better than other plasmas, but i always though their screen unformity is pretty much without flaw on any plasma.

also when you're talking about slow tuning, does that not matter if someone just has an STB hooked up for watching cable tv?

also, when you talked about fast motion, i did even hear that the PZ800u specifically had a tweaked/increased moving resolution. But i never heard that DLP tv's were even better than plasmas, thats true? Does that include Lcos displays?
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