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post #1051 of 1308
Thread Starter 
"playback stuttering (audio/video pausing) at various locations within the movie"

I can't remember the timestamps unfortunately.
post #1052 of 1308
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Calling anybody with access to Deja Vu, can he/she test it with 1.6?

This is on my list to test along with eagles HD for menu problems. Been too damn busy this week. Deja vu requires the entire movie to be viewed but in the past the problems were after the 1st hour. I will try to view that tonight. It has been on my mind to test and it is one that I reported in the giant batch with others that were fixed so hopefully it is. Still haven't got to a stack of fox titles to verify, but have had several mail rentals in the machine this week verifying newer wb titles since I was concerned about them.
post #1053 of 1308
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

"playback stuttering (audio/video pausing) at various locations within the movie"

I can't remember the timestamps unfortunately.

They are random and only if you view almost the entire movie
post #1054 of 1308
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the clarification. I only viewed it once (rental) and forgot that replaying the problem areas didn't yield repetition of the problems.
post #1055 of 1308
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Thanks for the clarification. I only viewed it once (rental) and forgot that replaying the problem areas didn't yield repetition of the problems.

Those are the most annoying problems. The ones that are not repeatable in the same spot. I've never bothered to write down where they occur 1st when viewing the entire movie. I will pay closer attention this time. I'm viewing it now since our annual conference is now done and home is in between where we were and work is so, "working" from home this afternoon.

I suspect this problem is a time sensitive one, like something gets out of sync once played for a specified amount of time. I have never been able to FF/RW and get the same result or even a skip within several min. of each one. That being the case, unless this is a documented known badly mastered disc with a code workaround, I doubt that it has been corrected. I remember some reporting no problems, so could just be a bad batch. Another theory is heat. The 5K warms discs up pretty good (at least all 3 of mine do) and is worse when mounted in a rack with other components stacked on it like mine is. So the disc might be getting hot and causing some issues. I've never ran into that before or since, so I doubt it. I did not look at my disc for laser rot (this is a Disney and not a Sony title, for some reason I was thinking it was Sony earlier). If I did have rot or a scratched/dirty disc the skips would be around the same place.
post #1056 of 1308
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Calling anybody with access to Deja Vu, can he/she test it with 1.6?

Ok so I have now viewed DJa Vu 2 times while working from home on stuff. I have not been paying complete attention, but I have only seen 1 glitch (actually heard it) on view 1, view 2 is almost complete with no more glitches (has ~20 min. left). The glitch I heard could be anything, the disc is not completely clean. WIth 1.5 the glitches were much less and much more infrequent than I remember with 1.3 and 1.4. I think with 1.4 it was just about as bad as 1.3.

I need someone else to verify this as I'm not interested in viewing this again for quite some time even-though I love this movie (any flick with Denzel in it is usually a great one and Tony Scott is one of my favorite directors).

I think it is fixed. Need a couple more verifications to be sure. If it is not completely fixed, what I did detect is not enough to sour a great movie experience.
post #1057 of 1308
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Thank you. I'm gonna' preliminarily remove it. If I can find the title for cheap, I'll check again one of these days.

Adam WL confirmed to me (via PM) that the Bubble HD DVD problem is still present.
post #1058 of 1308
2nd view of DeJa is done and no glitches at all in the 2nd hour+ but don't take my word for it, I have been distracted by a bunch of intense stuff this afternoon and evening.
post #1059 of 1308
Recent discs tried with no detected problems with 1.6; Batman Returns, Batman Forever, I love you Beth Cooper, Whiteout (not sure if I reported that one already or not). I want to try some contemporary recent WB BD releases other than library/reference releases, but there is just not that much that has been released since Sherlock that I care to view. Someone might have to take the reains on that one.
post #1060 of 1308
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Originally Posted by mr.kludge View Post

Ok so I have now viewed DJa Vu 2 times while working from home on stuff. I have not been paying complete attention, but I have only seen 1 glitch (actually heard it) on view 1, view 2 is almost complete with no more glitches (has ~20 min. left). The glitch I heard could be anything, the disc is not completely clean. WIth 1.5 the glitches were much less and much more infrequent than I remember with 1.3 and 1.4. I think with 1.4 it was just about as bad as 1.3.

I need someone else to verify this as I'm not interested in viewing this again for quite some time even-though I love this movie (any flick with Denzel in it is usually a great one and Tony Scott is one of my favorite directors).

I think it is fixed. Need a couple more verifications to be sure. If it is not completely fixed, what I did detect is not enough to sour a great movie experience.

I will view it tomorrow morning most likely and let you know of any issues.
post #1061 of 1308
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Originally Posted by polyscroll View Post

I just updated from v1.3 to v1.6 and it appears that the menu system on The Eagles HD DVD disc is still screwed-up.

At the menu screen (after the disc initially loads) if you try to scroll the track list to the right (ascending), the track names disappear after track #2 (New Kid in Town) and all you are left with is the track numbers. This behavior has been there from day one and persists even in the latest firmware.

Funny thing is, if you scroll to the left (descending) the names never disappear through all 30 or so tracks.

Kludge or Vinnie, can you confirm this?

Verified that this is still messed up. I'm going to try it on the LG this weekend since my wife is out of my hair running a race and I can do it anytime. Also might check on the A35 and see if it is a disc authoring problem (which is likely) or simply a lack of or buggy code on the 5K.

Might even flash my other players, but it is still a little premature for that, just in case I need to test with 1.4 and 1.5.
post #1062 of 1308
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Originally Posted by mr.kludge View Post

Verified that this is still messed up. I'm going to try it on the LG this weekend since my wife is out of my hair running a race and I can do it anytime. Also might check on the A35 and see if it is a disc authoring problem (which is likely) or simply a lack of or buggy code on the 5K.

Might even flash my other players, but it is still a little premature for that, just in case I need to test with 1.4 and 1.5.

I have played this disc numerous times (too many to count) on both my Toshiba HD-A2 and HD-XA2 machines, and the menu structure operates perfectly.

I suspect that Samsung's implementation of their equivalent of HDi is to blame.

I'm curious to hear how this disc fares on the BH200.
post #1063 of 1308
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Originally Posted by polyscroll View Post

I have played this disc numerous times (too many to count) on both my Toshiba HD-A2 and HD-XA2 machines, and the menu structure operates perfectly.

I suspect that Samsung's implementation of their equivalent of HDi is to blame.

I'm curious to hear how this disc fares on the BH200.

It is fine on the BH200 even with older firmware (I haven't updated or needed to in a year since I went to the BD Live update. I think there are 1-2 more recent than that now).

I will re-submit this one, not sure why they missed that. I checked and my ss includes the menu issue, which I did not even know about or check out for myself).
post #1064 of 1308
Book of Eli. Menu graphic fails to load, but movie loads and plays fine. Have not viewed entire movie yet, so it might have the video problems that Sherlock has? Hopefully since problems with Sherlock were widespread that WB has fixed the issue? This is the 1st new release title I have tried since Sherlock. The others are re-releases of older movies and have played fine, including menu graphics.

Odd, since Vinnie ran into the menu graphic issues on Sherlock, but it comes up fine for me (maybe it is not coming up fully?).
post #1065 of 1308
After viewing BoE for quite some time now I have not seen any video (or audio for that matter) glitches. I presume it is ok.

Also, I just got through reporting, through official internal Samsung methods and procedures, ten reports of remaining problems with this player now that we have 1.6. I just remembered that I forgot to complain about the lack ofInternet streaming of Pandora and NetFlix. I will revise that.

[Edit: revised nag list to Sammy on outstanding issues] I now recall that BD-Live and Internet streaming will most likely not be possible on this player since it lacks the internal RAM to do so. DTS-HD HR MA internal decode may or may not be possible and my other gripes should be able to be fixed; Internet updates and general stuff that is broken like no DST support, no 7.1 internal decode of DDTHD, Web Enabled content that is gone now and with some movies causes them to loop or lock up when loading.
post #1066 of 1308
How about updates over ethernet like they used to do and do so now for some of the other players they have. Because we are a minority?
post #1067 of 1308
Invictus plays, but suffers from menu graphic problem that BoE and Sherlock has.

Verified as fixed/playable; Behind Enemy Lines, complete Die Hard collection, Mr & Mrs Smith, I Robot, complete Lord of the Rings (does not suffer from menu graphic problem), All About Steve, My Life In Ruins, The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassius, The Edge.
post #1068 of 1308
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Originally Posted by dvansowhat View Post

How about updates over ethernet like they used to do and do so now for some of the other players they have. Because we are a minority?

Noted, reported and mentioned in my recent post. My guess is that since this is a unique player that they would prefer folks to upgrade via. CD since it is much more reliable, though a tad bit more inconvenient. Just a guess. I remember people bricking their players with online updates?
post #1069 of 1308
I decided to go back a ways in my WB collection. The Blind Side, Where the Wild Things Are and The Never-ending Story do not suffer from the menu graphic problem. Sherlock seems to be the start of this and the older ones mentioned above are mastered much different. Appears that WB decided to change the way they master discs recently. Should be an easy fix and will probably have to wait until a title is unplayable before they fix it and release it? Just going by past experience. This issue does not hamper your ability to play and enjoy the movie, so imoHO I don't think it is a big deal. However if I run into any more recent movies other than Sherlock that suffer from frame skipping, that will be a big deal.

Oh, BTW, obviously Blind Side, WtWTA and Never-ending Story are all loadable and playable.
post #1070 of 1308
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Thank you. I'm gonna' preliminarily remove it. If I can find the title for cheap, I'll check again one of these days.

Adam WL confirmed to me (via PM) that the Bubble HD DVD problem is still present.

You should buy it. When I get around to it I will PM you an online used place that has BDs for cheep, you are sure to be able to get it there and the price should be very good (and even better if they have no BaM stores in your state so you don't have to pay tax). They are great with CS and if you have any problems they refund you or take back more expensive items no questions asked if they are broken, don't work etc.

I have reported Bubble. I keep meaning to buy that one. There is a new copy in a local store I I need to check and see if it ever got marked down. i don't think it is expensive used online anyhow? And I have some ebay bucks coming soon, maybe I will use them for that.
post #1071 of 1308
So I played Deja Vu the entire way through this morning and got to watch most of it. I can say I had 99.99% no issues with this title on my 5K. I think I noticed 1 ultra brief less than 1 second kinda pause around the 115 to 116 mark. Other than that it was great and I am not even sure if it was even a problem. Compared to the issues the BD-P1200 had with this title a long time ago the 5K had no issues, I am not even sure if the BD-P1200 has any issues with this title any longer.
post #1072 of 1308
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Originally Posted by cws_kahuna View Post

So I played Deja Vu the entire way through this morning and got to watch most of it. I can say I had 99.99% no issues with this title on my 5K. I think I noticed 1 ultra brief less than 1 second kinda pause around the 115 to 116 mark. Other than that it was great and I am not even sure if it was even a problem. Compared to the issues the BD-P1200 had with this title a long time ago the 5K had no issues, I am not even sure if the BD-P1200 has any issues with this title any longer.

That is great news. As I reported, only one small glitch on view one and zero on view 2. That movie has come a long way since it was 1st released and had problems.

When I get a chance, and not having to do other things at the same time (like when is that going to happen) I will play it again to be 100% for sure, but we can take it off the list to make room for all the new other minor problems.
post #1073 of 1308
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Originally Posted by oldvideophile View Post

I haven't either and like Devansowhat I also had problems with 1.3. I do have something odd to report however and that is that I own to SD's: one is Rebecca and the other Barry Lyndon. Neither would play with 1.4 and simply said "cannot read region code." When I loaded 1.5 I tried them and they both played! A couple of days later I tried them both again and neither would play. A day later I tried them again and they would play? Now once again they will not play. I have done nothing to the player and made no change of any kind and wonder if I have entered the twilight zone. Any thoughts Kludge or Vinnie? (and surely Barry Lyndon deserves a blue ray release....where is it?)

Hey, did you ever get this resolved? Have you tried 1.6? What version of Rebecca and Barry Lyndon are you trying? Date/UPC/anything you can give me. The library has limited copies and versions of those to test with.
post #1074 of 1308
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Originally Posted by mr.kludge View Post

Hey, did you ever get this resolved? Have you tried 1.6? What version of Rebecca and Barry Lyndon are you trying? Date/UPC/anything you can give me. The library has limited copies and versions of those to test with.

Hi Kludge! Yes, I tried them both shortly after doing the update and unfortuntely neither would play....same thing "cannot read region code."
The Rebecca is issued by Anchor Bay Entertainment and the package design is 1997. The number on the disc is DV 10808 copyright ABC. The Barry Lyndon is apparently a 2001 release from Warner Bros. The disc reads "Widescreen 21148 Region 1 USPG Canada 14A." Possibly this disc was not released in the U.S. but that would seem unlikely. Certainly is a mystery...first it works with 1.5 then it doesn't work and then it does and then it doesn't. Weird stuff!! And by the way I think the 1.6 is the best update we've had so far. Everything I put up look better for it, in my opinion, and the really good discs are nothing short of amazing, vide "The Young Victoria" and "The Red Baron", "Passage to India". Not only that, although I have an audiophile two channel tube system, the sound also sounds better to me. I suspect the 5.1 surround is improved as well. Will be interested to hear what you come up with.

John
post #1075 of 1308
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Originally Posted by oldvideophile View Post

Hi Kludge! Yes, I tried them both shortly after doing the update and unfortuntely neither would play....same thing "cannot read region code."
The Rebecca is issued by Anchor Bay Entertainment and the package design is 1997. The number on the disc is DV 10808 copyright ABC. The Barry Lyndon is apparently a 2001 release from Warner Bros. The disc reads "Widescreen 21148 Region 1 USPG Canada 14A." Possibly this disc was not released in the U.S. but that would seem unlikely. Certainly is a mystery...first it works with 1.5 then it doesn't work and then it does and then it doesn't. Weird stuff!! And by the way I think the 1.6 is the best update we've had so far. Everything I put up look better for it, in my opinion, and the really good discs are nothing short of amazing, vide "The Young Victoria" and "The Red Baron", "Passage to India". Not only that, although I have an audiophile two channel tube system, the sound also sounds better to me. I suspect the 5.1 surround is improved as well. Will be interested to hear what you come up with.

John

Ok the bl I got from the library is the older non 5.1 from 1999 that one I will have to get from bb or nf and is in my queue and it will be a long time before I get it. It's not carried in local stores. The Rebecca is the same as the one I have a hold on at the library same year and release company. It will be a couple weeks before I get that. Have not had a chance to test the older Tom jones and bl I picked up today. Currently finishing book of Eli since it is due back in a couple hours and need to pick up the wolfman for new universal mastering possible issues. More on that later. Wish I would have held onto the fourth kind and ciirque de freak longer and or remembered to test some stuff
post #1076 of 1308
As I suspected the older Barry Lyndon and Tom Jones play just fine. I should have the problematic Tom Jones tomorrow to test and the suspected problem Rebecca once the two people that have it checked out return it.

Barry Lyndon is going to take some time, but testing with these other two should reveal some things.

I recall one of my loader contacts saying that the newer loaders (2008 dates rather then 2007 dates) were improved and are capable of reading many other types of discs (those strange BD formats I have not learned about yet) and it is possible that they were improved for DVD playback as well. I knew that the newer ones are more reliable and not as prone to failure, but did not know that the lasers were updated also. Personally I have never had a problem with DVD in this machine and even these terribly beat up lenders form the library played just fine.

I have noticed that these older MGM/FOX titles are on that old goldish colored media and that may be part of the issue? Just a theory. If Tom Jones and Rebecca are on the gold colored discs (on the media laser read side) then this may be a case of the loader just not being able to read the disc? The Barry Lyndon I have is that gold color and plays just dandy.
post #1077 of 1308
Here is a report I just sent to Sammy on The Wolfman:
Powering up unit with this disc inside results in a blank screen on TV with "Menu" displayed on unit display. Only functions on remote or unit front panel that are allowed are open/eject and power. The spinning Universal logo with object circling does not display as when the movie does load. "Slide Show" is never displayed on unit display are when it loads normally.

Often loading disc will result in 0000 on unit display and blank screen on TV esp. after stop and then play are pressed. Most often right before the "social View" message appears that you have to select ok on the screen with the enter button on remote. Also on repeat plays after stop and then play or disc menu button are pressed 0000 and blank screen happens right before FBI and other slide show elements before the movie. Note that when this problem happens "Slide Show" is never displayed on unit as it is when the movie plays normally.

Numerous audio drop outs while bit-streaming via. HDMI to compatible receiver. Every 3-10 min. audio will briefly drop out and receiver will register a momentary blip in audio format etc.

Note that The Fourth Kind and Vampires assistant may suffer from the 1st problem. I had no audio drops or playability problems with those two Universal titles other than the boot up with disc in issue. It happened often, but just as often it loaded normally. The Wolfman seems to be worse in that regard. Also I have only viewed the "Unrated version" and the "Theatrical version" may play normally without drops. This could be one of those branched disc issues?
post #1078 of 1308
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Originally Posted by mr.kludge View Post

Book of Eli. Menu graphic fails to load, but movie loads and plays fine. Have not viewed entire movie yet, so it might have the video problems that Sherlock has? Hopefully since problems with Sherlock were widespread that WB has fixed the issue? This is the 1st new release title I have tried since Sherlock. The others are re-releases of older movies and have played fine, including menu graphics.

Odd, since Vinnie ran into the menu graphic issues on Sherlock, but it comes up fine for me (maybe it is not coming up fully?).

That movie is giving you problems? I am thinking of buying it. It seems form what you said it plays fine just the graphic menus don't work well. Also I have been MIA from the forums having started working again so to confirm 1.6 is a new fw that got released for the player? I think I have 1.5 right now. I think I'll update to before I watch Alice in Wonderland.
post #1079 of 1308
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Originally Posted by Ludawg94 View Post

That movie is giving you problems? I am thinking of buying it. It seems form what you said it plays fine just the graphic menus don't work well. Also I have been MIA from the forums having started working again so to confirm 1.6 is a new fw that got released for the player? I think I have 1.5 right now. I think I'll update to before I watch Alice in Wonderland.

No playability problems at all, except the menu screen comes up completely blank except for the play movie and setup buttons. Great movie and worth owning imoHO. I will be picking it up in a few years when I find it cheep. Much better than The Wolfman. That movie has lots of playability problems besides being a crap film and a major waste of time.
post #1080 of 1308
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Originally Posted by mr.kludge View Post


Ok the bl I got from the library is the older non 5.1 from 1999 that one I will have to get from bb or nf and is in my queue and it will be a long time before I get it. It's not carried in local stores. The Rebecca is the same as the one I have a hold on at the library same year and release company. It will be a couple weeks before I get that. Have not had a chance to test the older Tom jones and bl I picked up today. Currently finishing book of Eli since it is due back in a couple hours and need to pick up the wolfman for new universal mastering possible issues. More on that later. Wish I would have held onto the fourth kind and ciirque de freak longer and or remembered to test some stuff

I finally picked this up at the library. No problems or loading for me despite the disc being very beat up. Its The same in every detail as what old videophile described.
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