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post #151 of 23505
I'm done with this waiting game. I've been waiting and waiting and waiting. Something newer and better is always coming out, I've decided that I'm getting this TV and to heck with whats coming out later.

If the picture is outstanding and AMP works pretty darn good then I'm happy. I will be able to tell this when I get it home and no from some 10 minute flirtation I had with it. Time to put my money where my mouth is.

Mosh~~
post #152 of 23505
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Originally Posted by lipcrkr View Post

Gawd, i'd hate to watch porn and get the dreaded TBE. Less balls the better.

+ 1 lol...
post #153 of 23505
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Originally Posted by ooms View Post

maybe post a more realistic setting?

What kind of realistic settings would you like to see? Certain Blu Ray movie at a certain time frame?
post #154 of 23505
So, let me get this all straight... Please anyone correct me if I'm wrong because there has been some conflicting reviews.

The amp is still out of wack, unless you turn ENTERTAINMENT MODE ON, correct?

And, has the whole "soap opera" effect been cleared up? I guess it would be fixed if you just leave entertainment mode on all the time. Would you ever need turn it off??

Also, I was planning on getting a 40", does the 40" have entertainment mode? On samsung's website, the 4071 didn't have "game mode" (which is replaced with entertainment mode on the 650 series).
post #155 of 23505
So Manaburn, did the FPS games that you tried feel at all soft from input lag or was this really a non issue. And did you try your hand at any online matches with it (like COD4)? Inquiring gamers want to know...
post #156 of 23505
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Originally Posted by Manaburn View Post

LOL thank you so much for dealing with all my nonsence. This is hard to believe but i am for sure gonna take the 650 back.


Manaburn, did it ever occur to you that the 750 series has a higher bit processor because it needs it for the networking capabilities? Looking at the block diagrams i see nothing in there that tells me the 750 series is superior to the 650 series as far as PQ. The 750 series is not going to make the TBE mysteriously disappear over the 650. You guys need to realize that the 750 series needs more processing power because of the additional capabilities like MPEG4, LAN, etc. Unless MIKL1984 can convince me the additional juice will render a better picture over the 650, this 12/16bit nonsense means nothing. Samsung is not going to put an XBR engine in the 750 series for $300 more than the Sony W3000 650 series. The 750 series and the 650 series could never have the same bit processor.
post #157 of 23505
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Originally Posted by Mikl1984 View Post

P/N of service manual: BN82-00347A-00
Chassis :
GAM32MUS
GAM40MUS
GAM46MUS
GAM52MUS
Model :
LN32A650A1F
LN40A650A1F
LN46A650A1F
LN52A650A1F


Main processor
Samsung Bay hill+ (BHP) S4LJ003X
1204-002814 IC-DECODER;S4LJ003X,PBGA,816P,35x35mm,PL

Appear Fan in LN40A650 only

No direct input for HDMI - additional DA-AD conversions

BN07-00537A LCD-PANEL ??? 32"
BN07-00529A LCD-PANEL;LTF400HC01,10bit,40inch,1.07B,
BN07-00530A LCD-PANEL;LTF460HE01,10bit,46inch,1.07B,
BN07-00531A LCD-PANEL;LTF520HE01,10bit,52inch,1.07B,

I hope it will stop further speculations about VP in this serie for America

The 6 series uses the new Samsung Bay Hill + (BHP in service menu screen) SOC, replacing the old warhorse Trident SVP-LX. This chip performs the deinterlacing function and a whole host of others. The new chip has certain proprietary enhancements, but it is not the chip that performs the AMP function. Samsung appears to have moved the FRC (frame rate conversion) functionality into the panel, according to the block diagram you posted.

Since you have the manuals, you should check for the schematics of the panels (or parts list) and see what chips are used. My guess is that the 6 and 7 series both use the Micronas FRC-M chip, and therefore both series will have the same or very similar AMP performance.
post #158 of 23505
can someone speak on the difference between the glare of the 71 and 650? I held off on the 71 because of the glare, the TBE isn't really that big of an issue to me... but the glare really turned me off.
post #159 of 23505
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Originally Posted by shawndagan View Post

So Manaburn, did the FPS games that you tried feel at all soft from input lag or was this really a non issue. And did you try your hand at any online matches with it (like COD4)? Inquiring gamers want to know...

no i havent done anything with onlin matches yet mabye i will give that a try soon.
post #160 of 23505
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Originally Posted by djwu View Post

Okay I have the 71, but now I'm considering returning it because it is sitll in the return period. So I want to exchange it for the 650 of course. Manaburn would you exchange it for the 650 or should I just keep the 71?

well IMO the 650 when run on the 3 different entertainment modes kicks the crap out of the 71, but only on these 3 modes. Its a give and take. If you like fast action sports movies or games go with the 650 i would say. I have never seen anything like it.
post #161 of 23505
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Originally Posted by Manaburn View Post

well IMO the 650 when run on the 3 different entertainment modes kicks the crap out of the 71, but only on these 3 modes. Its a give and take. If you like fast action sports movies or games go with the 650 i would say. I have never seen anything like it.

But you can't adjust any of the picture settings when in these modes correct? They are all presets?
post #162 of 23505
Welp, I did it. I went into BB and they had them in store so I purchased one. Now I all I have to do is wait for the wife to get back with the highlander to go pick it up.

I am so excited I feel like carrying the dang thing home on the ol radio flyer red wagon. LOL.

Mosh~~
post #163 of 23505
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Originally Posted by Ready2Mosh View Post

Welp, I did it. I went into BB and they had them in store so I purchased one. Now I all I have to do is wait for the wife to get back with the highlander to go pick it up.

I am so excited I feel like carrying the dang thing home on the ol radio flyer red wagon. LOL.

Mosh~~

What best buy did you go to?
post #164 of 23505
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Originally Posted by lipcrkr View Post

Manaburn, did it ever occur to you that the 750 series has a higher bit processor because it needs it for the networking capabilities? Looking at the block diagrams i see nothing in there that tells me the 750 series is superior to the 650 series as far as PQ. The 750 series is not going to make the TBE mysteriously disappear over the 650. You guys need to realize that the 750 series needs more processing power because of the additional capabilities like MPEG4, LAN, etc. Unless MIKL1984 can convince me the additional juice will render a better picture over the 650, this 12/16bit nonsense means nothing. Samsung is not going to put an XBR engine in the 750 series for $300 more than the Sony W3000 650 series. The 750 series and the 650 series could never have the same bit processor.


Ok i hear what you are saying. but IMO if the amp micronos is not the problem. If you turn off al the VP it runs like a charm. Their algorithums are 95% solid and there is no lag. It is my theory that the reason that the amp sucks on normal veiwing settings is that the VP just cant keep up with the micronos. Why else would it work like a well oiled machine when the VP is turned down so low. All imputs go straight to the 16bit processor as you can see from the block diagram of the 750. Are you saying that the 16bit processor will act like the 10bit one on all viewing except for mpegs and such. I really dont think so its gonna act like a 16bit processor all the time. IT is my openion that using a faster procesor will allow the amp to work perfectly with more of the VP still on. This may be wrong but for $300 im willing to try. If it dosnt make a difference all i have done is waited a month longer to get a nicer looking bezel with a woofer and some extra features. If it does help then I made a very smart choice. I will not pretend to know everything about these circut boards in the least but with my engineering background this just makes sense to me. Im not sure why everyone is trying to convince me not to get the 750 anyhow. woofer seems cool sence i have no sound system.

Mikl1984 does this sound like good logic?
post #165 of 23505
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Originally Posted by Jodes View Post

But you can't adjust any of the picture settings when in these modes correct? They are all presets?

yes they are all preset. the only one im not too thrilled with is game mode. the other 2 are great for their respective source types. game mode is probubly good for most people but i play alot of fantasy games and really i like alot of color, color which would look like crap in most convintional games but look great on final fantasy and the like. It is worth getting this TV over the 71 for these 3 modes IMO, and thats a big statement for me to make cause i too am realy anoyed by the lack of customazation.
post #166 of 23505
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Originally Posted by COLLOSUS76 View Post

What best buy did you go to?


Bloomingdale, IL. They had 1 more in stock after I purchased mine. Give them a shout to see if they will hold it for you.

With the 10% off it came out about 1 bone less than retail when you add 7.25% tax. HTH

Mosh~~
post #167 of 23505
I noticed in the pre set settings that you can go in and see what they have those settings at at least on that first page of settings is it possible to clone those pre made settings? or is there more happening behind the scenes?
post #168 of 23505
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Originally Posted by Manaburn View Post

well IMO the 650 when run on the 3 different entertainment modes kicks the crap out of the 71, but only on these 3 modes. Its a give and take. If you like fast action sports movies or games go with the 650 i would say. I have never seen anything like it.

but what's he use if the foolishly take away color calibration!

game mode on xx71 series had HORRIBLE calibration for movie and tv viewing.
post #169 of 23505
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Originally Posted by dboys1 View Post

I know that as far as the technology goes in all the 650s across the board, all will be comparable, but my question is....Does anyone know where you would gain the most benefit out of 1080p? Through the 40" or the 46"? I am stuck at the point where I would probably regret not getting the 46" later on, but for price purposes the 40" looks awefully tempting.

Consumer Reports says you won't really see a difference between 720p and 1080p in sets under 50". Personally, I think you will see it in sets larger than 40". 1080p at 40" doesn't buy you much if anything.
post #170 of 23505
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Originally Posted by Manaburn View Post

yes they are all preset. the only one im not too thrilled with is game mode. the other 2 are great for their respective source types. game mode is probubly good for most people but i play alot of fantasy games and really i like alot of color, color which would look like crap in most convintional games but look great on final fantasy and the like. It is worth getting this TV over the 71 for these 3 modes IMO, and thats a big statement for me to make cause i too am realy anoyed by the lack of customazation.

since the three submodes look different, that means it MUST be applying calibration stuff behind the scenes so they could and should have allowed us to be able to adjust calibration settings instead of forcing us into their preset 'ideals'.

i don't why companies always do this. lock stuff in. supposedly makes life less complicated and simple. but no, not really at all.
post #171 of 23505
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Originally Posted by Jodes View Post

But you can't adjust any of the picture settings when in these modes correct? They are all presets?


There just has to be a way around this. People were finding new things about the Samsung 71 & 81 series months after they had them.
post #172 of 23505
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Originally Posted by skibum5000 View Post

since the three submodes look different, that means it MUST be applying calibration stuff behind the scenes so they could and should have allowed us to be able to adjust calibration settings instead of forcing us into their preset 'ideals'.

i don't why companies always do this. lock stuff in. supposedly makes life less complicated and simple. but no, not really at all.

Those three 3 entertainment modes are different most likely due to DNIe Pro being applied. This is a new Samsung technology, and probably embedded in the Bay Hill + SOC.

DNIe Pro is advertised to be good for HD, 120Hz operation. In the service menu, there is an item called FBE3, and that probably contains settings for DNIe Pro.
post #173 of 23505
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Originally Posted by clau View Post

Since you have the manuals, you should check for the schematics of the panels (or parts list) and see what chips are used. My guess is that the 6 and 7 series both use the Micronas FRC-M chip, and therefore both series will have the same or very similar AMP performance.

You are right
But Samsung doesn't include in Schematic Diagram T-Con+FRCM (Upper board)

Therefore I don't know is it the same or not

As you may see naming of panels change from last year also
May be they include FRC
Below you may find list of panels for LNXXA750 - the same as in LNXXA650
BN07-00529A LCD-PANEL;LTF400HC01,10bit,40inch,1.07B,
BN07-00530A LCD-PANEL;LTF460HE01,10bit,46inch,1.07B,
BN07-00531A LCD-PANEL;LTF520HE01,10bit,52inch,1.07B

Let's wait brave people which are able to disassemble TV (very simple procedure) or/and research Service Menu.
LL
post #174 of 23505
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Originally Posted by clau View Post

Those three 3 entertainment modes are different most likely due to DNIe Pro being applied. This is a new Samsung technology, and probably embedded in the Bay Hill + SOC.

DNIe Pro is advertised to be good for HD, 120Hz operation. In the service menu, there is an item called FBE3, and that probably contains settings for DNIe Pro.

Not probably
It's in reality
I wrote about this already
post #175 of 23505
Woot, I just called Best Buy and they have my TV in. I just need to find a friend that has a truck or SUV who is free to help me go pick it up, lol.
post #176 of 23505
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Originally Posted by Mikl1984 View Post

You are right
But Samsung doesn't include in Schematic Diagram T-Con+FRCM (Upper board)

Therefore I don't know is it the same or not

As you may see naming of panels change from last year also
May be they include FRC
Below you may find list of panels for LNXXA750 - the same as in LNXXA650
BN07-00529A LCD-PANEL;LTF400HC01,10bit,40inch,1.07B,
BN07-00530A LCD-PANEL;LTF460HE01,10bit,46inch,1.07B,
BN07-00531A LCD-PANEL;LTF520HE01,10bit,52inch,1.07B

Let's wait brave people which are able to disassemble TV (very simple procedure) or/and research Service Menu.

The 6 series and the 7 series share the same panels, which is to be expected. That means the Frame Rate Conversion is identical, and that means AMP is just about identical.

These new panels are significantly different than the 71 series:

1. FRC and T-Con inside panel. This has the important advantage of using a common memory for the two blocks, saving cost.
2. The cable that runs from the mainboard to the panel now carries 60Hz data instead of 120Hz data. Much better for RF interference control, and saves power.
3. The 6/7 series have a new backlight system that operates at twice the frequency of the 71 series. This helps reduce flickering and may have better motion blur.
4. The new T-Con reduces pixel response time to the 4 ms spec'd level.
5. The new T-Con is supposed to improve gamma response.

All in all, pretty good updates. But wait for the 9 series if you want major improvements in motion blur handling.
post #177 of 23505
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Originally Posted by Leftoverchinese View Post

Woot, I just called Best Buy and they have my TV in. I just need to find a friend that has a truck or SUV who is free to help me go pick it up, lol.

Woot, what does this mean??? is this one of those made up words by kids. Sorry way off topic but i see a lot of people saying this and it bugs the hell out of me lol.

Anyways, cant wait to see some more reviews from other people picking up this set. Good luck, hope u find someone with a truck..
post #178 of 23505
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Originally Posted by clau View Post

The 6 series and the 7 series share the same panels, which is to be expected. That means the Frame Rate Conversion is identical, and that means AMP is just about identical.

These new panels are significantly different than the 71 series:

1. FRC and T-Con inside panel. This has the important advantage of using a common memory for the two blocks, saving cost.
2. The cable that runs from the mainboard to the panel now carries 60Hz data instead of 120Hz data. Much better for RF interference control, and saves power.
3. The 6/7 series have a new backlight system that operates at twice the frequency of the 71 series. This helps reduce flickering and may have better motion blur.
4. The new T-Con reduces pixel response time to the 4 ms spec'd level.
5. The new T-Con is supposed to improve gamma response.

All in all, pretty good updates. But wait for the 9 series if you want major improvements in motion blur handling.

Just out of curiousity, when is the 9 series supposed to come out, is there any word on that?
post #179 of 23505
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Originally Posted by clau View Post

The 6 series and the 7 series share the same panels, which is to be expected. That means the Frame Rate Conversion is identical, and that means AMP is just about identical.

These new panels are significantly different than the 71 series:

1. FRC and T-Con inside panel. This has the important advantage of using a common memory for the two blocks, saving cost.
2. The cable that runs from the mainboard to the panel now carries 60Hz data instead of 120Hz data. Much better for RF interference control, and saves power.
3. The 6/7 series have a new backlight system that operates at twice the frequency of the 71 series. This helps reduce flickering and may have better motion blur.
4. The new T-Con reduces pixel response time to the 4 ms spec'd level.
5. The new T-Con is supposed to improve gamma response.

All in all, pretty good updates. But wait for the 9 series if you want major improvements in motion blur handling.

As allways spot on coments from you, thanks clau.

Victor.
post #180 of 23505
I'll bet Manaburn will be interested in this:

http://www.dtvcenter.com/product/lcd...model=LN52A750
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