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post #3661 of 23505
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Originally Posted by ATC1 View Post

I am familiar with the Infolink RSS Access service that Samsung is advertizing for the A650. Can you think of another advantage to having the A650 connected to the network? Streaming video from computer, etc?

No, you need a 750 for that ("Wiselink-pro DNLA"). Was just reading about it in the 750 manual.

Edit: typo - that's "DLNA"
post #3662 of 23505
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Originally Posted by ATC1 View Post

Need some advice from the tech guru's here.

I will be placing the A650 in a built-in cabinet. I already plan to run HDMI cables from this cabinet to a separate area where the satellite receiver and future Blu-ray player will be. While running these cables, should I also include a Cat5e feed from my router?

I am familiar with the Infolink RSS Access service that Samsung is advertizing for the A650. Can you think of another advantage to having the A650 connected to the network? Streaming video from computer, etc?

You need to get the A750 series if you want to get pictures, movies, etc., from your computer over an ethernet. It should be out in May. The user manual is already on Samsung's support webpage, so you can browse the manual and see if the few extra features are worth the extra cost and wait.
post #3663 of 23505
I tried the firmware 1003.G version for the auto power off/on symptom, it looks working good.
It seems they solved this auto off/on. This firmware can be downloaded in the samsung web site

Menu Path : Support -> Download Center -> Search by Product Category -> Firmware
post #3664 of 23505
cool just 10 more confirmations that the autoshutoff issue is solved and im sold
post #3665 of 23505
+1 to samsung for getting firmware out pretty quick, and so far it looks good!
post #3666 of 23505
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Originally Posted by jazzbass View Post

You seem like such a pleasant and positive person I updated my firmware last night and so far no problems. Kineahora, I think you'd be annoyed if you had tv that worked perfectly. I mean what would have then to bitch about?

I believe in taking a careful approach without jumping to assume everything's perfect, so sue me.

Annoyed at a perfect TV? No way, I'm annoyed that I can't seem to find a TV within reasonable striking distance of perfection.

When I'm posting, I'm b*tching or pointing out untruths as I see them in here; true you won't see me posting too much positive, because when I find a TV I'm happy with (hopefully this one if they can fix the auto-shut-off) I'll buy it and be done with this whole process. Surely you don't see me posting a whole bunch of stuff on a thread about my Sharp 20" because that TV has worked perfectly for me for like 4 years, what is there to say other than that about it, except it's now totally outmoded and I want a big screen in High Def?
post #3667 of 23505
Hi guys

If the auto reset is indeed fixed, then i am planning to pick one up today.

Either 40' or the 46.. now the problem is, i heard only the 40' has a fan inside? Is it kinda loud like the 40'xbr4? Infact, will that fan die out in a few years? I am spending a lot of money on this tv..infact about 400-900 more than my previous 4071. ( i live in canada btw).

So i am just wondering if i should spend about 900 dollars more for a 46' or 400 dollars more for a 40'. As a matter of fact, if i buy this tv i probably won't be able to buy another tv for at least another 5 years

so main concerns
1) the fan
2) the money

Please help me out!
Thanks
post #3668 of 23505
I only had one reset before dling the new firmware this morning and installing, but so far so good.

C
post #3669 of 23505
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Originally Posted by icewall2k3 View Post

Hi guys

If the auto reset is indeed fixed, then i am planning to pick one up today.

Either 40' or the 46.. now the problem is, i heard only the 40' has a fan inside? Is it kinda loud like the 40'xbr4? Infact, will that fan die out in a few years? I am spending a lot of money on this tv..infact about 400-900 more than my previous 4071. ( i live in canada btw).

So i am just wondering if i should spend about 900 dollars more for a 46' or 400 dollars more for a 40'. As a matter of fact, if i buy this tv i probably won't be able to buy another tv for at least another 5 years

so main concerns
1) the fan
2) the money

Please help me out!
Thanks

There is a fan inside the 40", but people have reported not even hearing it, so it may not even be active or becomes active when the TV reaches a certain tempature. As far as size goes you always have to take budget into consideration, so if you can afford the 40" and not be out I would say do that, but if the extra $500 isn't a big deal than certainly go bigger.

How far are you sitting from the TV?

Mosh~~
post #3670 of 23505
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Originally Posted by capa2000 View Post

I only had one reset before dling the new firmware this morning and installing, but so far so good.

C

AMP look more juiced to you?

Mosh~~
post #3671 of 23505
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Originally Posted by icewall2k3 View Post

Hi guys

If the auto reset is indeed fixed, then i am planning to pick one up today.

Either 40' or the 46.. now the problem is, i heard only the 40' has a fan inside? Is it kinda loud like the 40'xbr4? Infact, will that fan die out in a few years? I am spending a lot of money on this tv..infact about 400-900 more than my previous 4071. ( i live in canada btw).

So i am just wondering if i should spend about 900 dollars more for a 46' or 400 dollars more for a 40'. As a matter of fact, if i buy this tv i probably won't be able to buy another tv for at least another 5 years

so main concerns
1) the fan
2) the money

Please help me out!
Thanks

When this was first mentioned about the fan in the 40, I believe by default it is set to OFF. You can turn it on in the service menu. Maybe they were concerned if some sets started overheating they could issue new firmware that would turn the fan on.

Mike
post #3672 of 23505
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Originally Posted by 8IronBob View Post

Yeah, AMP seems to want to bring the performance of this to near plasma levels (let alone the glossy screen makes it even more plasma-like). Should be interesting.

I have noticed a few times in this thread others saying that AMP brings performance "close to" plasma levels. Out of curiousity, why not just buy a decent plasma? I am returning my 52A650 because of flashlights in the corners that are aggravating while watching movies and am not sure if I am going to rebuy it. I just wanted to know why owners chose 120hz LCDs such as this one as opposed to a plasma, since I'm not sure what tv to purchase at this point.

The existence of TBE/TCE (although not as bad as the 71 series) bothers me (it's more noticeable in certain video games/movie scenes) and I've been noticing the emeregence of Vapors/Aura much more lately. When I first got the TV, I didn't notice any Vapors/Aura except when playing Mass Effect, but now notice them all the time when playing COD4 (I could have missed this problem at first I guess, but I'm not sure how).

At this point, although the reset problem is hopefully fixed, I'm not sure if I'm going to rebuy this set or get something different; in which case, I was wondering why owners chose 120hz LCDs like the A650 as opposed to a plasma
post #3673 of 23505
Ahh... Yes, the default fan setting was the issue. This almost reminds me of another product (not TV related) that had it that by default the fan speed was set to a low 29%, and wound up crashing my computer trying to play some high-end games (yes, the dreaded 8800GT graphics card). I'm guessing that's the graphics card that drives the Samsung's graphics?
post #3674 of 23505
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Originally Posted by dev1os View Post

+1 to samsung for getting firmware out pretty quick, and so far it looks good!

-10 for sending a service tech over to my home 2 days before the new firmware came out to give me a new board. Missed half a day of work to do it too. Samsung guaranteed that would fix my problem, and it reset after 4 hours. Screw you Samsung for lying out the a%$ to me.
post #3675 of 23505
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Originally Posted by Ready2Mosh View Post

AMP look more juiced to you?

Mosh~~

Yes...I usually run it on Low. It came up on Medium after the install...but overall it does appear more pronounced. But to be honest, I have not had a lot of time with the AMP feature. Does it even matter for tv viewing?

C
post #3676 of 23505
Looking for some definitive content to determine AMP levels. I only have standard DVD and HD cable, but I do have laptops that can drive 1920x1080. Do any of you know of a test software or something similar? I have spent no time in the xx71 threads...
post #3677 of 23505
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Originally Posted by RandyRR View Post

Looking for some definitive content to determine AMP levels. I only have standard DVD and HD cable, but I do have laptops that can drive 1920x1080. Do any of you know of a test software or something similar? I have spent no time in the xx71 threads...

CGI movies benefit the most from AMP. Movies in general are a good gauge, some things show AMP effects than others.

Mosh~~
post #3678 of 23505
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Originally Posted by Mitmonk View Post

I have noticed a few times in this thread others saying that AMP brings performance "close to" plasma levels. Out of curiousity, why not just buy a decent plasma? ...I just wanted to know why owners chose 120hz LCDs such as this one as opposed to a plasma, since I'm not sure what tv to purchase at this point. =

Ah the classic debate. Possible reasons to own LCD over Plasma:

1) Brightness levels if you have a bright room.
2) Lack of burn-in/IR
3) Less weight
4) Less heat generation and energy use
5) Possibly longer lifespan

Just off the top of my head...
There I think that post was positive, yes Jazzbass?
post #3679 of 23505
Yeah, on top of that, plasmas are far more fragile than LCDs when it comes to lugging it around when you're trying to set it up. Plasmas get moved around, and that's when they start to really...well, it's not a pretty sight. LCDs can be moved around anywhere, and still work exactly the same, and is more durable when it comes to setting it up.
post #3680 of 23505
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Originally Posted by Kineahora View Post

I believe in taking a careful approach without jumping to assume everything's perfect, so sue me.

Annoyed at a perfect TV? No way, I'm annoyed that I can't seem to find a TV within reasonable striking distance of perfection.

When I'm posting, I'm b*tching or pointing out untruths as I see them in here; true you won't see me posting too much positive, because when I find a TV I'm happy with (hopefully this one if they can fix the auto-shut-off) I'll buy it and be done with this whole process. Surely you don't see me posting a whole bunch of stuff on a thread about my Sharp 20" because that TV has worked perfectly for me for like 4 years, what is there to say other than that about it, except it's now totally outmoded and I want a big screen in High Def?

I find it amusing that you're bitching about something you don't even own. Like some how Samsung has offended you personally. My only problem with you for example is when the one person posted his feelings of being pleased with Samsung's service you caution him to wait until he knows for sure the problem is fixed. Whether Samsung has got the fixed licked or not, they are trying to fix it. That is good service. Higher up officials have contacted several people, myself included, with concern over our issues. That's good service whether they've figured it out yet or not. these TV's are complicated pieces of equipment, it could be a million things that caused the shut-off issue. It takes time to pinpoint such things. If this firmware is the fix, I find that a very quick discovery. I truly hope you find your perfect TV and I hope the 650 is it.

Mana, I don't think Samsung lied to you. At that time they very well may have believed the issue was hardware related and truly thought this would fix it. They were wrong. They're also human. Let's just hope the firmware is the fix.
post #3681 of 23505
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Originally Posted by icewall2k3 View Post

Hi guys

If the auto reset is indeed fixed, then i am planning to pick one up today.

Either 40' or the 46.. now the problem is, i heard only the 40' has a fan inside? Is it kinda loud like the 40'xbr4? Infact, will that fan die out in a few years? I am spending a lot of money on this tv..infact about 400-900 more than my previous 4071. ( i live in canada btw).

So i am just wondering if i should spend about 900 dollars more for a 46' or 400 dollars more for a 40'. As a matter of fact, if i buy this tv i probably won't be able to buy another tv for at least another 5 years

so main concerns
1) the fan
2) the money

Please help me out!
Thanks

I don't think anyone here has said the fan is loud like the XBR4 fan. I might have to change my mind on this issue (hmmm...), but my thought on the size includes price difference, immersion factor, and bulk/weight, because I *rent* an apartment and am always thinking about moving issues.

I think if I knew I couldn't buy a new TV for some 5 years, and I knew I wouldn't be moving, I'd go one notch larger and enjoy the extra immersion for the 5 years. The price difference on the 40" and the 46" is looking like 5 or 6 c-notes at certain e-tailers named after a very long river in South America...
post #3682 of 23505
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Originally Posted by Mitmonk View Post

I have noticed a few times in this thread others saying that AMP brings performance "close to" plasma levels. Out of curiousity, why not just buy a decent plasma? I am returning my 52A650 because of flashlights in the corners that are aggravating while watching movies and am not sure if I am going to rebuy it. I just wanted to know why owners chose 120hz LCDs such as this one as opposed to a plasma, since I'm not sure what tv to purchase at this point.

The existence of TBE/TCE (although not as bad as the 71 series) bothers me (it's more noticeable in certain video games/movie scenes) and I've been noticing the emeregence of Vapors/Aura much more lately. When I first got the TV, I didn't notice any Vapors/Aura except when playing Mass Effect, but now notice them all the time when playing COD4 (I could have missed this problem at first I guess, but I'm not sure how).

At this point, although the reset problem is hopefully fixed, I'm not sure if I'm going to rebuy this set or get something different; in which case, I was wondering why owners chose 120hz LCDs like the A650 as opposed to a plasma

I had the A650 and swapped it out for a Panasonic PX80 plasma and I am thinking about returning the plasma and go with the A650 again. Image Retention is still a very real issue with plasma. There is just an added level of stress worrying about this issue and having to enact a whole set of rules for the family to abide by to not damage the TV. In the plasmas defense, it has absolutely no clouds or flashlights. A dark scene looks dark, period. Also, it handles motion flawlessly. I just want to be able to fall asleep on the couch and not worry about IR and not have to yell at one of the kids for not watching the tv properly. So for these reasons I will probably take back the plasma and buy the A650 even though it is well over twice what the plasma cost.
post #3683 of 23505
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Originally Posted by jazzbass View Post

I find it amusing that you're bitching about something you don't even own. Like some how Samsung has offended you personally. My only problem with you for example is when the one person posted his feelings of being pleased with Samsung's service you caution him to wait until he knows for sure the problem is fixed. Whether Samsung has got the fixed licked or not, they are trying to fix it. That is good service...

You're entitled to that personal definition of "good service" just like you're entitled to any opinion.

I happen to disagree. And you will find others here like tilca who share my opinion.

My definition of good service includes not releasing obviously defective units and also includes having people in the organization on the same page and not giving conflicting and often erroneous statements. Oh yeah, and it includes fixing the problem Perhaps they have fixed it. I hope so for current owners, and I hope so because I would like to buy the TV.
post #3684 of 23505
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Originally Posted by 8IronBob View Post

Yeah, on top of that, plasmas are far more fragile than LCDs when it comes to lugging it around when you're trying to set it up. Plasmas get moved around, and that's when they start to really...well, it's not a pretty sight. LCDs can be moved around anywhere, and still work exactly the same, and is more durable when it comes to setting it up.

Except even a slight knock to the LCD panel will destroy it whereas plasmas can take a hit from a steel ball and remain unscathed:
http://gizmodo.com/343009/attempted-...-plasma-screen

I've never heard of a plasma actually being damaged in transit other than by gross negligence on the part of the shipping company. It sounds like you don't even know why it's recommended not to transport plasmas while laying flat. Hopefully you won't say something ridiculous about the plasma gases getting shook up or something. Clearly you're not informed enough to comment on this topic, therefore you shouldn't in the future. Thanks.
post #3685 of 23505
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Originally Posted by Mitmonk View Post

I have noticed a few times in this thread others saying that AMP brings performance "close to" plasma levels. Out of curiousity, why not just buy a decent plasma? I am returning my 52A650 because of flashlights in the corners that are aggravating while watching movies and am not sure if I am going to rebuy it. I just wanted to know why owners chose 120hz LCDs such as this one as opposed to a plasma, since I'm not sure what tv to purchase at this point.

The existence of TBE/TCE (although not as bad as the 71 series) bothers me (it's more noticeable in certain video games/movie scenes) and I've been noticing the emeregence of Vapors/Aura much more lately. When I first got the TV, I didn't notice any Vapors/Aura except when playing Mass Effect, but now notice them all the time when playing COD4 (I could have missed this problem at first I guess, but I'm not sure how).

At this point, although the reset problem is hopefully fixed, I'm not sure if I'm going to rebuy this set or get something different; in which case, I was wondering why owners chose 120hz LCDs like the A650 as opposed to a plasma

Well IIRC Plasmas lose strength over time - as in the colors become weaker - so a plasma eventually will become crap. I could be wrong though as I have not kept up with all the details in developments of plasma tech in recent months. Also plasmas are heavier and consume more electricity - and IIRC 'burn in' is more prevalent in plasma than in LCD. Well thats my $.02 on why I won't go plasma - to me its a dieing tech IMO.

Edit: Oh and I'd like to be able to run a PC on my TV (future HTPC) so native res is better on LCD for PC's vs Plasma...
post #3686 of 23505
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Originally Posted by RiVoLT View Post

Well IIRC Plasmas lose strength over time - as in the colors become weaker - so a plasma eventually will become crap. I could be wrong though as I have not kept up with all the details in developments of plasma tech in recent months. Also plasmas are heavier and consume more electricity - and IIRC 'burn in' is more prevalent in plasma than in LCD. Well thats my $.02 on why I won't go plasma - to me its a dieing tech IMO.

Edit: Oh and I'd like to be able to run a PC on my TV (future HTPC) so native res is better on LCD for PC's vs Plasma...


1080p LCDs cost about 50% more than similarly-sized 1080p plasmas, so i have no idea what your point is about using a PC seeing as how plasmas are just as capable while also costing less. Also plasmas' brightness half-life is 100,000 hours these days, or roughly twice as long as CRTs ever were. It may start to look slightly dimmer in, say, 30 years of daily viewing. Maybe do some research next time so you don't make a fool of yourself.
post #3687 of 23505
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Originally Posted by n1ghtpr0w1er View Post

I had the A650 and swapped it out for a Panasonic PX80 plasma and I am thinking about returning the plasma and go with the A650 again. Image Retention is still a very real issue with plasma. There is just an added level of stress worrying about this issue and having to enact a whole set of rules for the family to abide by to not damage the TV. In the plasmas defense, it has absolutely no clouds or flashlights. A dark scene looks dark, period. Also, it handles motion flawlessly. I just want to be able to fall asleep on the couch and not worry about IR and not have to yell at one of the kids for not watching the tv properly. So for these reasons I will probably take back the plasma and buy the A650 even though it is well over twice what the plasma cost.

I am thinking about the Panasonic Px85 but similarily am worried about image retention. When talking with a BB salesperson about image retention, he said actual "burn in" rarely occurs with new plasmas, and with longer lasting image retention BB loops a dvd overnight, which apparently fixes any IR. I'm still skeptical though, but the flawless motion and price make the tv more and more tempting. What do you think about the Panasonic's black levels/contrast compared to the A650?

Thanks for everyone's comments!
post #3688 of 23505
Can we stop the LCD vs plasma. Weren't there already threads dealing with that issue?

If you want to get an LCD, get an LCD. If you want to go with a plasma, go for it. It's your money.
post #3689 of 23505
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Originally Posted by Manaburn View Post

I did the factory reset on accident once on my 650. Didnt hurt anything at all

Well the 650 may be different than the Mitsubishi it happened to me on but it taught me a very expensive lesson. Actually, service menus have scared the crap out of me since then.
post #3690 of 23505
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Originally Posted by taurus2007 View Post

Can we stop the LCD vs plasma. Weren't there already threads dealing with that issue?

If you want to get an LCD, get an LCD. If you want to go with a plasma, go for it. It's your money.

Well, all right, but even so, it's nice that Samsung brought that same quality to the LCD realm, tho anyway, so LCD owners can appreciate equal picture quality as their counterparts. They're one of the handful of brands that can really get it there.
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