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post #1 of 40
3/14/08 at 9:14am
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Imax is going DLP: Read here!

Those screens are huge with deep curves. I wonder will they fill that with one projector or a blend system. I cannot envision one projector pulling it off without a sacrifice in PQ. This will be interesting.
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post #2 of 40
3/14/08 at 9:57am
At last a worthy competitor...
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post #3 of 40
3/14/08 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

Imax is going DLP: Read here!

Those screens are huge with deep curves. I wonder will they fill that with one projector or a blend system. I cannot envision one projector pulling it off without a sacrifice in PQ. This will be interesting.


If you post in the other forum Im sure Tryg will tell you he's already pulled it off with his RS1 and an HP screen

PS I now know the "film like" description so beloved of the LC posse to be utter garbage. Will post soon, but suffice to say, having seen a fresh print on a 12ft screen........... "holy sh*t Batman". Razor sharp and utterly beautiful.
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post #4 of 40
3/14/08 at 10:53am
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PS I now know the "film like" description so beloved of the LC posse to be utter garbage. Will post soon, but suffice to say, having seen a fresh print on a 12ft screen........... "holy sh*t Batman". Razor sharp and utterly beautiful.

Cant wait for the report..bring it on
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post #5 of 40
3/14/08 at 11:02am
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but suffice to say, having seen a fresh print on a 12ft screen........... "holy sh*t Batman". Razor sharp and utterly beautiful.

Despite the fact that it has ho-hum MTF, not even close to the SK.

The reason they are able to make DLP based IMAX is precisely the reason the SK is king, MTF, MTF, MTF. That is accomplished twofold:1) Great lens without anamorphic adapter 2) advanced algorythm S-Shape Gamma curves.

Forget 35mm CM, I put BR on the SuperKontrast anyday over your 35mm. It is not like you cannot see it, I told you I would show you, whateryouafraidoff?
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post #6 of 40
3/14/08 at 11:13am
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Despite the fact that it has ho-hum MTF, not even close to the SK.

The reason they are able to make DLP based IMAX is precisely the reason the SK is king, MTF, MTF, MTF. That is accomplished twofold:1) Great lens without anamorphic adapter 2) advanced algorythm S-Shape Gamma curves.

Forget 35mm CM, I put BR on the SuperKontrast anyday over your 35mm. It is not like you cannot see it, I told you I would show you, whateryouafraidoff?

You really love to try and take dump in peoples nachos, don't you. Thing is, I quite enjoy the taste.

I would have loved to see a demo, but this is a rather busy time for me. Also when it comes time for me to throw down the cheese for the new room, the demos will be coming to me, not the other way round.
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post #7 of 40
3/14/08 at 11:22am
Your loss then, since you have dci content in 3-d available and all...

It is that self-centric attitude by EGO driven videophiles that keeps preventing progress. Ya fool!!!

What makes you think that you are going to get a correctly bespoken solution to your room without the adequate Design & Development?

It takes months to tweak a good DCI system, what you are proposing is not a valid way to go. Sorry to say.
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post #8 of 40
3/14/08 at 11:32am
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Your loss then, since you have dci content in 3-d available and all...

It is that self-centric attitude by EGO driven videophiles that keeps preventing progress. Ya fool!!!

What makes you think that you are going to get a correctly bespoken solution to your room without the adequate Design & Development?

It takes months to tweak a good DCI system, what you are proposing is not a valid way to go. Sorry to say.

Peter, Im proposing nothing. I have an architectural consultation next month, that will determine the maximum screen size and whether i need to lower a floor. Only at that stage will I fully begin to go into detail. I intend be in contact.
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post #9 of 40
3/14/08 at 11:33am
I'm just waiting for a Peter post to equal that of Valhalla. It's getting close..
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post #10 of 40
3/14/08 at 11:47am
Though I certainly number myself within the group, there's just something intrinsicly amusing about theater nerds talking smack to each other.
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post #11 of 40
3/14/08 at 11:52am
"my contrast beats your contrast!" "Does not!"
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post #12 of 40
3/14/08 at 11:55am
They're also going to be doing some advanced multi-channel room correction too. IMAX called me a few months back about it, interestingly, asking about DEQX vs Audyssey vs other technologies. I would have been really flattered except for the 'you're the only DEQX dealer that picked up the phone' comment
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post #13 of 40
3/14/08 at 11:56am
Yeah?????? Your GAMMA!!!!
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post #14 of 40
3/14/08 at 1:11pm
Leave my Gamma out of this!
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post #15 of 40
3/14/08 at 1:14pm
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At last a worthy competitor...

Peter, about to throw down with IMAX like El Santo -

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post #16 of 40
3/15/08 at 8:09am
Alan,
Did I miss something in that article ? Are they specifically developing an IMAX DLP projector ? It better have several times the resolution (among other thing) of present models or it won't touch IMAX in that parameter.

Art
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post #17 of 40
3/15/08 at 8:20am
I don't think that it's a higher resolution DLP. My guess is that it's multiple 2K projectors, possibly in a blend configuration. 4K DLP is probably 2-3 years out and a single projector would not have enough light output for IMAX, especially for 3d.
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post #18 of 40
3/15/08 at 8:35am
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Alan,
Did I miss something in that article ? Are they specifically developing an IMAX DLP projector ? It better have several times the resolution (among other thing) of present models or it won't touch IMAX in that parameter.

Art

I'm very skeptical of this myself. IMAX is my current absolute favorite King of all front projection formats.

Cliff
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post #19 of 40
3/15/08 at 8:40am
Maybe they just designed and built a special mechanism or multi-output projector for their purposes?
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post #20 of 40
3/15/08 at 8:44am
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Art, odyssey, Cliff

Im will you , the 2k limitation of current DLP technology I cant see being enough to fill those large screens adequately without visible pixel structure, light output, resolution. Im guessing odyssey has to be right, I hope so anyway
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post #21 of 40
3/15/08 at 8:44am
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Maybe they just designed and built a special mechanism or multi-output projector for their purposes?

I'm not sure what you mean by that ?

Art
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post #22 of 40
3/15/08 at 9:47am
I heard it is two OEM'd Christy CP2000x units. Some special software for keeping them balanced and aligned. Probably looks damn good on a 50ft screen but nothing proprietary anymore, they can't charge $2M a system for this. They are in a overlay/stack configuration (for 3D) which also gives them inherent pixel blending because one never gets the alignment of the 6 DMDs perfect.
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post #23 of 40
3/15/08 at 11:43am
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I heard it is two OEM'd Christy CP2000x units. Some special software for keeping them balanced and aligned. Probably looks damn good on a 50ft screen but nothing proprietary anymore, they can't charge $2M a system for this. They are in a overlay/stack configuration (for 3D) which also gives them inherent pixel blending because one never gets the alignment of the 6 DMDs perfect.

Two 2K projectors are still going to be way short with the seating distances in IMX theaters.

Art
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post #24 of 40
3/15/08 at 11:59am
sounds like an array will be needed, similar to simulator setups.
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post #25 of 40
3/15/08 at 4:58pm
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

Art, odyssey, Cliff

Im will you , the 2k limitation of current DLP technology I cant see being enough to fill those large screens adequately without visible pixel structure, light output, resolution.

Agreed Alan. I have to see it to believe it but the sheer resolution power of IMAX film although a pita to maintain I'm sure is just gorgeous.

When I saw I am Legend not too long ago they did a 5-6 minute clip of the new Batman movie and my jaw was COMPLETELY on the floor the whole time.

Just amazing. Gotta love those horns surrounding you all over the place as well. IMAX is the best I have ever seen.

Is there anything better?

Cliff
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post #26 of 40
3/15/08 at 5:12pm
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Is there anything better?

Cliff

Yes Cliff, the Superkontrast with the s-shape gamma curve can presents dozens of different focal planes within a scene, King Kong scene where he is perched up on the island with her doing cartwheels. Once you see that you say screw IMAX. BTW KingKong is my least favorite film from having watched it extensively with the Mercury projector and the Fujitsu plasmas, the glowing colors and plasticity of the presentation was a deal breaker in the suspension of disbeilief department. What a difference in the Superkontrast the monkey was real, the motion when he is running with the girl through the jungle, something very speical was going on in there, the motion was fluid and tightly focussed.

I say these s-shape gamma curves are the reason IMAX will go DLP...
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post #27 of 40
3/15/08 at 8:32pm
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

Yes Cliff, the Superkontrast with the s-shape gamma curve can presents dozens of different focal planes within a scene, King Kong scene where he is perched up on the island with her doing cartwheels. Once you see that you say screw IMAX. BTW KingKong is my least favorite film from having watched it extensively with the Mercury projector and the Fujitsu plasmas, the glowing colors and plasticity of the presentation was a deal breaker in the suspension of disbeilief department. What a difference in the Superkontrast the monkey was real, the motion when he is running with the girl through the jungle, something very speical was going on in there, the motion was fluid and tightly focussed.

I say these s-shape gamma curves are the reason IMAX will go DLP...





I'm sorry, but there is no way that any IMAX will have a DLP implementation anytime soon that will surpass the current format.

This is EXTREMELY not cool.
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post #28 of 40
3/15/08 at 9:55pm
I agree Cliff, something missing in the equation.

Art
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post #29 of 40
3/16/08 at 2:40am
The only thing missing is a demo. You'll see.
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post #30 of 40
3/16/08 at 5:32am
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The only thing missing is a demo. You'll see.

Peter, I'm looking foward to it but IMAX has in excess of 50MP resolution if nothing else this is an issue.

Art
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