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post #691 of 876
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

I discovered it only by chance. One time I had a DVD that I had recorded exactly 1hr in SP on my ES-15, and it had 1hr SP left. I later recorded a 5 minute clip in SP on my EZ-28. When I put the DVD back in my ES-15 it said I now had 1hr 2 minutes SP open Now how could I have more time now that before I recorded a 5 minute SP event One thing lead to another and after several hours of experimenting with RW discs I figured it out IMO this little trick really makes it worth it having at least one EZ recorder to compliment the more reliable ES/EH machines.
I would think it would also work for the older E series machines but since I don't have, nor have I ever had one, I can't say for sure.
At the rate I'm going it probably won't be too long before I add one to my arsenal and can say for sure

Now that you mention this, I found that the remaining time shown on a partially recorded DVD recorded on my first 2005 DMR-ES30V increased if I placed the DVD in my 2005 DMR-ES40V. Of course the 2005 DMR-ES40V had the operating system that served as the prototype for 2007 and later EZ series combo recorders. Likewise, I assume that the 2005 DMR-ES20 had the operating system that served as the protype for 2007 and later EZ series DVD recorders. (These DMR-ES20 and ES40V models were generally considered to be the "black-sheep" of the 2005 Panasonic model lineup.) Nowadays I seldom swap partially recorded ES series DVDs to EZ series recorders so I haven't paid attention to see if the same "longer remaining time" situation is present, but I'll try it and see.

Dare I say that you're getting "obsessive" with your collection of good old Pannys? (I'm frequently checking Craig's List for ES series recorders but see lots of EZ series models that folks are "dumping." In the EZ47 thread I reported purchasing one of those back in late June.)
post #692 of 876
I have an EZ-28K that I bought about a year ago but has hardly been used so its pretty much "like new" (with the box, etc.) It seems unlikely that I'll ever actually use it in the future. I'm wondering if there's much demand for this particular model and how much should I ask for it if selling it?
post #693 of 876
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Originally Posted by WaldorfSalad View Post

I have an EZ-28K that I bought about a year ago but has hardly been used so its pretty much "like new" (with the box, etc.) It seems unlikely that I'll ever actually use it in the future. I'm wondering if there's much demand for this particular model and how much should I ask for it if selling it?

Panasonic EZ series DVD recorders and VHS/DVD combo recorders have bugs and design flaws. These recorders require various workarounds to maintain satisfactory functionality.

At the moment I own six Panasonic EZ series recorders, one DMR-EZ28, one DMR-EZ47 and four DMR-EZ17 models. One of the EZ17 models was set aside as a standby recorder after around 2,134 recording hours, two EZ17 models were downgraded to "parts machine" status last fall after laser assembly failures in the 1,500 to 1,700 recording hour range, one DMR-EZ47 is a fully-functional standby, one EZ17 with around 1,560 recording hours and one EZ28 with around 1,920 recording hours are in current daily use.

On 9/18/2008 I purchased the like-new DMR-EZ28 in its original retail box for $19.85 (including shipping) from eBay seller DealTree. That EZ28 has been in near continuous daily use since it arrived.

In late July 2010 I purchased a DMR-EZ47 in near-new condition (except for a VHS mechanism alignment/functionality problem) for $25.00 from a local Craig's List seller. The next day I swapped in two good VHS mechanism cradle parts from a parts machine, returning this EZ47 to full functionality. This EZ47 is regarded as a standby recorder as it is fully functional, otherwise I regard this EZ47 as a third EZ series "parts machine."

Once the two remaining EZ series recorders are removed from service they will be replaced by older, more reliable ES series Panasonics or Magnavox HDD/DVD recorders.
post #694 of 876
I purchased a like new EZ-28 (including box and a mostly new 50 spindle) for $50 off Craigslist, I felt I got a good deal.
Since then I've seen a few more for between $50-$75, they stay listed for a few days to weeks and disappear, I assume they sell.
Depending on the shape of your EZ-28 you may want to list it between $50-$100 depending how long you want to wait for it to sell and if you want to bargain. If this were a EZ-17 or EZ-27(neither of which I can stand due to it's bugs and design flaws) I'd say closer to $25-$50.
post #695 of 876
Like DigaDo, I bought my last EZ28 pretty cheap ($30) a few years ago. But prices seem to have gone up quite a bit since then. If you search completed lisitings on EBAY you'll see prices ranging from $50 to $240 (which is insane). If it were mine, I'd probably list it for around $185 as a buy-it-now (since demand is low), or donate it to science, aka, DigaDo's collection ;-)

A few years ago, I sold my EH75 for over $800, which is also insane.
post #696 of 876
This Panasonic won't copy my home-made DVDs. Am I doing something wrong or is there another burner that will allow non-commercial dvd-duping?
post #697 of 876
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Originally Posted by Howard Od View Post

This Panasonic won't copy my home-made DVDs. Am I doing something wrong or is there another burner that will allow non-commercial dvd-duping?

Welcome to AVS.

See my response to your post in the other thread.
post #698 of 876
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

Welcome to AVS.

See my response to your post in the other thread.

Can you think of a DVD recorder that 1) is still produced, 2) works with DVD-RAM, 3) includes a digital tuner, and is not made by Panasonic? Toshiba seems to have dropped their RVR-RAM support. Thanks.
post #699 of 876
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Can you think of a DVD recorder that 1) is still produced, 2) works with DVD-RAM, 3) includes a digital tuner, and is not made by Panasonic? Toshiba seems to have dropped their RVR-RAM support. Thanks.

No.
post #700 of 876
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

I've highlighted your comments concerning "recording from TV." There were very few TVs that provided the "Monitor Out" feature that allowed "recording from the TV." (I have a five year-old Sony HD TV that has the "Monitor Out" feature, but it doesn't work for digital signals.)

Recording is usually from external sources, an antenna, a cable company coaxial cable feed, a cable company converter box or a satellite company receiver or other equipment connected to line inputs.

Some of your issues are related to a channel guide that allows instant selection of program(s) for recording. DVD Recorders do not have such features. What you want is a DVR provided by your cable company or a CableCard equipped DVR provided by a third party. A DVR does not record to removable media (DVDs).

Now, let's make sense of your DMR-EZ28 connected to a cable company converter box.

With a cable company converter box the DMR-EZ28 model's clear QAM tuner is not used, it will be bypassed. The RF coax cable feed from the wall goes to the cable company converter box RF input. Then you must decide which converter box output will feed the signal to the DMR-EZ28. Here are your options:

1-Cable converter box RF output to DMR-EZ28 RF input. The DMR-EZ28 will receive this signal on analog channel 3 (or 4). With this method of connection a DMR-EZ28 channel scan will find one channel, analog channel 3 (or 4).

2-Cable converter box composite outputs, yellow for video plus white/red for audio, to DMR-EZ28 composite inputs. The DMR-EZ28 will receive this signal on LINE 1 (rear connection) or LINE 2 (front connection). With this method of connection a DMR-EZ28 channel scan will not find any channels as there are no channels. The signal arrives at the DMR-EZ28 through a line input.

3-Cable converter box S-Video output, round cable with several pins for video plus white/red for audio, to DMR-EZ28 S-Video input plus white/red audio inputs. The DMR-EZ28 will receive this signal on LINE 1 (rear connection) or LINE 2 (front connection). With this method of connection a DMR-EZ28 channel scan will not find any channels as there are no channels. The signal arrives at the DMR-EZ28 through a line input.

When setting up a SCHEDULE timer recording be sure to select the correct input, channel 3 (or 4), IN1 (or LINE 1) or IN2 (or LINE 2) as the signal source. Remember to tune the cable converter box to the cable service you wish to record before the SCHEDULE timer recording begins. The DMR-EZ28 must be powered off before the SCHEDULE timer recording begins.


What am I doing wrong?

I have the DMR-EZ28 and the EZ27. I have not had a problem with my satellite box outputting via the S video to the line 1 or line 2 of the EZ27. I am able to record with no problem. However the tv monitor stays black when I have the same setup with the DMR-EZ28. I have tried connecting to the televising via component or DVI. Neither way shows a picture. I even tried to output the video to an old television via the Yellow for video and still nothing. I went into the menu ot the EZ28 and made sure that its output was not restricted to DVI. When I push the button for drive select or the functions button on the remote of the EZ28, I can see the choices on the monitor but no video is transmitted.
post #701 of 876
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Originally Posted by martig View Post

What am I doing wrong?

I have the DMR-EZ28 and the EZ27. I have not had a problem with my satellite box outputting via the S video to the line 1 or line 2 of the EZ27. I am able to record with no problem. However the tv monitor stays black when I have the same setup with the DMR-EZ28. I have tried connecting to the televising via component or DVI. Neither way shows a picture. I even tried to output the video to an old television via the Yellow for video and still nothing. I went into the menu ot the EZ28 and made sure that its output was not restricted to DVI. When I push the button for drive select or the functions button on the remote of the EZ28, I can see the choices on the monitor but no video is transmitted.

You mentioned "the tv monitor." Is this a TV or a monitor? It would help to know.

Perhaps your TV (or monitor) is not compatible with the current video settings on your DMR-EZ28.

If you've set the DMR-EZ28 for Progressive "ON" any of the "P" settings (as indicated with a "P" on the front panel display) your TV (or monitor) will not display that picture through the S-Video or composite inputs nor will many older TVs (or monitors) support that video signal.
post #702 of 876
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

You mentioned "the tv monitor." Is this a TV or a monitor? It would help to know.

Perhaps your TV (or monitor) is not compatible with the current video settings on your DMR-EZ28.

If you've set the DMR-EZ28 for Progressive "ON" any of the "P" settings (as indicated with a "P" on the front panel display) your TV (or monitor) will not display that picture through the S-Video or composite inputs nor will many older TVs (or monitors) support that video signal.

Its a plasma Pansasonic TC-P54VT25 that just was released.
post #703 of 876
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Originally Posted by martig View Post

Its a plasma Pansasonic TC-P54VT25 that just was released.

You may want to use component or HDMI connectivity if your DMR-EZ28 has the "P" showing on the front panel display indicating that the recorder is set to Progressive "ON." See the DMR-EZ28 Operating Instructions, especially pages 34-35 and 54-55, for more detail.

I don't use HDMI connectivity due to "handshake issues" and the potential for copy protection issues.
post #704 of 876
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

You may want to use component or HDMI connectivity if your DMR-EZ28 has the "P" showing on the front panel display indicating that the recorder is set to Progressive "ON." See the DMR-EZ28 Operating Instructions, especially pages 34-35 and 54-55, for more detail.

I don't use HDMI connectivity due to "handshake issues" and the potential for copy protection issues.

I have connected the EZ28 by HDMI. However I have also tried component.

I have vera link turned off. I have 24p output off. I have HDMI priority on.I have spent hours trying all different settings and connections. Nothing works. I am going to take it into the bedroom where by DMR-EZ 27 is working and connected via component to 1080i television. As I indicated the EZ27 is working fine there with s video going from a DishNetwork receiver to the line 2 of it. If the EZ 28 doesn't work there, then I may have a defective unit. I was worried about the "hand shake issues". That is why I tried component but it still did not work.
post #705 of 876
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Originally Posted by martig View Post

I have connected the EZ28 by HDMI. However I have also tried component.

I have vera link turned off. I have 24p output off. I have HDMI priority on.I have spent hours trying all different settings and connections. Nothing works. I am going to take it into the bedroom where by DMR-EZ27 is working and connected via component to 1080i television. As I indicated the EZ27 is working fine there with s video going from a DishNetwork receiver to the line 2 of it. If the EZ28 doesn't work there, then I may have a defective unit. I was worried about the "hand shake issues". That is why I tried component but it still did not work.

I narrowed it down. I took the EZ28 into the bedroom and attached it the same way I have the EZ27. At first the picture was jumbled but in a few seconds it normalized. I then took it back to the living room where the Panasonic plasma was and connected it with component wires and it worked. This was strange because I had previously tried component connections several times and it didn't work. Could the HDMI connection to the Panasonic TC-P54VT25 temporarily stooped the use of the S video connections in line 1 and 2?
post #706 of 876
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Originally Posted by martig View Post

I narrowed it down. I took the EZ28 into the bedroom and attached it the same way I have the EZ27. At first the picture was jumbled but in a few seconds it normalized. I then took it back to the living room where the Panasonic plasma was and connected it with component wires and it worked. This was strange because I had previously tried component connections several times and it didn't work. Could the HDMI connection to the Panasonic TC-P54VT25 temporarily stooped the use of the S video connections in line 1 and 2?

Keep in mind that the Line 1 and 2 S-Video (and composite) connections are inputs, not outputs. Perhaps someone with a DMR-EZ28 using HDMI connectivity will address simultaneous functionality of the S-Video output connection.
post #707 of 876
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

Keep in mind that the Line 1 and 2 S-Video (and composite) connections are inputs, not outputs. Perhaps someone with a DMR-EZ28 using HDMI connectivity will address simultaneous functionality of the S-Video output connection.

If the question is: can I send EZ28 HDMI output at 1080p at the same time there is S-Video output at 480i the answer is yes. I couldn't plug the S-Video into my TV since it lacks that input. I had to plug the EZ28 output to the H2160A front panel input and observe the 2160 output (also HDMI) on my TV.
post #708 of 876
Greetings to the EZ28 thread. I have a sudden problem with my recorder and thought I'd see if I could get some expert advice before I start going in circles on my own.

I use my machine mostly for making DVDs of things I want to save from my DVR. This morning, I thought I was burning a copy of a documentary when I noticed a quick flicker of something on the front panel display. A couple of times after that, the display read C 6. In the end, I got nothing on the 2 hour recording but snow.

I turned everything off and looked online and in the manual to see if it was a common error. I found nothing. Now, when I turn the system on, and select the DVD recorder as the input on my Samsung display, I get a message that there is no signal. (And absolutely nothing has changed since I made a previous successful recording several hours before - no cables were touched or anything like that.)

Again, I wanted to post here first before I did something stupid on my own. Let me know if there's info I need to provide to clarify things.

Thanks in advance for any help.
JEFF
post #709 of 876
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Originally Posted by SVTarHeel View Post

Greetings to the EZ28 thread. I have a sudden problem with my recorder and thought I'd see if I could get some expert advice before I start going in circles on my own.

I use my machine mostly for making DVDs of things I want to save from my DVR. This morning, I thought I was burning a copy of a documentary when I noticed a quick flicker of something on the front panel display. A couple of times after that, the display read C 6. In the end, I got nothing on the 2 hour recording but snow.

I turned everything off and looked online and in the manual to see if it was a common error. I found nothing. Now, when I turn the system on, and select the DVD recorder as the input on my Samsung display, I get a message that there is no signal. (And absolutely nothing has changed since I made a previous successful recording several hours before - no cables were touched or anything like that.)

Again, I wanted to post here first before I did something stupid on my own. Let me know if there's info I need to provide to clarify things.

Thanks in advance for any help.
JEFF

C 6 is not an error code. C 6 indicates that you have changed to RF analog channel 6 with the EZ28 model's internal tuner, thus departing from the channel or input providing the DVR output signal to your EZ28. Use the Input Select, numerical buttons or Channel Up/Down to find the correct input to record from your external DVR.
post #710 of 876
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

C 6 is not an error code. C 6 indicates that you have changed to RF analog channel 6.

Whew, thanks so much. We're dealing with my mom's Alzheimer's and I guess she changed the channel at some point when she was moving the remotes. Your reply let me get it fixed without spending hours chasing rabbits - thanks again!
post #711 of 876
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

Panasonic EZ series DVD recorders and VHS/DVD combo recorders have bugs and design flaws. These recorders require various workarounds to maintain satisfactory functionality.

At the moment I own six Panasonic EZ series recorders, one DMR-EZ28, one DMR-EZ47 and four DMR-EZ17 models. One of the EZ17 models was set aside as a standby recorder after around 2,134 recording hours, two EZ17 models were downgraded to "parts machine" status last fall after laser assembly failures in the 1,500 to 1,700 recording hour range, one DMR-EZ47 is a fully-functional standby, one EZ17 with around 1,560 recording hours and one EZ28 with around 1,920 recording hours are in current daily use.


How do you tell how many hours are on the recorder? or do you just keep a mental note? I have an EZ28 & ES15 and it might be interesting to know the hours
post #712 of 876
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Originally Posted by Nighthawk68 View Post

How do you tell how many hours are on the recorder? or do you just keep a mental note? I have an EZ28 & ES15 and it might be interesting to know the hours

I keep recording logs that provide reasonably accurate "recording hour" figures for each of my Panasonic DVD recorders.

Following the common AVS Forum wisdom I use my DVD recorders only for recording DVDs, not playing DVDs. I use DVD players for playing DVDs. This practice saves unneccesary wear and tear to DVD recorder laser assemblies.

Panasonic service mode includes several utilities, including those that display total laser used time, another allows for deleting (zero reset) the laser used time and another displays accumulated working time. This service mode data doesn't differentiate between laser "writing" and laser "playing." Due to laser assembly writing and burning procedures the data provided in service mode isn't "real-time" recording hours so I seldom access service mode data as it is irrelevant for maintaining a DVD archive.

I often caution that experimentation in service mode might have disasterous results. Earlier posts have more service mode information.

In my DVD recorder service log I also prefer to use "recording hour" figures to determine when recorders are rotated in and out of service for the routine DVD Drive lens, rubber hub and spindle area cleaning or for tracking other service or functionality issues. The routine lens, rubber hub and spindle area cleaning procedures are found here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post14479898

As it works out most of my Panasonic recorders have a rotation for servicing at eight to ten month intervals. With very heavy use the service intervals might be just six months. I rotated one EZ17 into a standby status when it had accumulated around 2,164 recording hours whereas ES series recorders are usually expected to accumulate at least 3,000 recording hours before being rotated into a standby status. (As reported earlier two of my EZ series recorders had laser assembly failures in the 1,500 to 1,700 recording hour range.)

"Standby status" recorders are usually those that have had heavy use but are still fully functional--so they may be swapped back into daily service if or when neccessary.

I might add that I do not give my Magnavox and Philips HDD/DVD recorders the routine Panasonic-type lens and rubber hub/spindle cleanings. In my thinking there are very specific reasons for this. At the moment I will only observe that I discourage owners of Funai-built recorders from using the Panasonic-type rubber hub cleaning procedures with their Funai-built recorders. (The details underlying my reasoning must await research and consultation.)
post #713 of 876
This is my problem. How do you correct it? Do you have to open up the whole thing to get to this?


Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post
Cleaning discs are designed to clean only the DVD Drive lens, not the rubber hub that the disc sits atop. The spindle rises, clamps the disc to the guide wheel in the drive lid prior to spinning the disc. The rubber hub collects dust, debris and oily residue allowing the disc to slip during reading, writing and finalizing operations. This is the most likely cause of disc failure with most DVD drives.
post #714 of 876
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Originally Posted by rachel999 View Post

This is my problem. How do you correct it? Do you have to open up the whole thing to get to this?


Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post
Cleaning discs are designed to clean only the DVD Drive lens, not the rubber hub that the disc sits atop. The spindle rises, clamps the disc to the guide wheel in the drive lid prior to spinning the disc. The rubber hub collects dust, debris and oily residue allowing the disc to slip during reading, writing and finalizing operations. This is the most likely cause of disc failure with most DVD drives.

For the answers click the link in the post just above your post.
post #715 of 876
I just purchased (thru Sears) five Panasonic DVD-RAM discs. They make this EZ28 a whole new machine. It could be my imagination, but my EZ28 behaves better, and the picture seems clearer and better defined. More recordings are needed to confirm my excitment ... er ... observations. I should not have waiting as long as I did to get the DVD-RAM discs.
post #716 of 876
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Originally Posted by Plasma Guy View Post

I just purchased (thru Sears) five Panasonic DVD-RAM discs. They make this EZ28 a whole new machine. It could be my imagination, but my EZ28 behaves better, and the picture seems clearer and better defined. More recordings are needed to confirm my excitment ... er ... observations. I should not have waiting as long as I did to get the DVD-RAM discs.

I've been using mostly Fuji with a few Panasonic disks. The playback of the EZ28 is quite good. I make some of the recordings with a Toshiba RX50 from an HD tuner. I've also tried Maxell, but they all have died. One lesson I have learned is to never format the disks on the EZ28 or they don't work on the Toshiba. Anymore I just delete the title. If I do format a disk, I do it on the Toshiba, then record a 63 minute title at the highest quality. The DVD will then allow me to get 1:03 in XP mode on the EZ28. Since the clock on my EZ28 drifts about 10 seconds per week, the extra time helps.
post #717 of 876
JoeKustra - you state "clock drifts about 10 seconds per week" ... so does mine. I have not experienced the DVD adding any additional or extra time, I have only the one Panasonic with DVD-RAM. My clock gains time. Interesting.
post #718 of 876
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Originally Posted by Plasma Guy View Post

JoeKustra - you state "clock drifts about 10 seconds per week" ... so does mine. I have not experienced the DVD adding any additional or extra time, I have only the one Panasonic with DVD-RAM. My clock gains time. Interesting.

It's hard to believe. I just like DVD-RAM, so there is a limited choice since Toshiba no longer supports them. And I even bought the manual mentioned in the previous posts. Nothing in it helps either. Every month I adjust the clock. Having media that lets me record 61 or 62 minutes helps. When you state that you can't get "extra time", do you mean the DVD only records 60 minutes in XP mode? If so, have you tried to force a 61 minute recording?

I tested it. Wow. I formatted a DVD with the EZ28 and it said I had 60 minutes on a disk that had 63 minutes before the format. So I tried a recording of 61 minutes and it stopped at 60 minutes. So sad. Now I will "format" the same disk on the Toshiba, which takes 40 minutes, then record something that takes 63 minutes, and be able to record 63 minutes on the EZ28. It's just my luck the Toshiba people never read the spec on the capacity of a DVD-RAM. I have a Mag 2160A and they also read the spec. Interesting!
post #719 of 876
JoeKustra - you guessed correctly, I have not forced any extra time on any of the discs I have used. DVD-R, +R, +RW, -RAM. Three days ago I got the DVD-RAM, so far they are great. Easy to use, and I like the chase play very much. The EZ-28 can be buggy, sometimes (about once a month) I have to reset the machine, but it comes right back to life, so far so good.
post #720 of 876
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Originally Posted by Plasma Guy View Post

JoeKustra - you guessed correctly, I have not forced any extra time on any of the discs I have used. DVD-R, +R, +RW, -RAM. Three days ago I got the DVD-RAM, so far they are great. Easy to use, and I like the chase play very much. The EZ-28 can be buggy, sometimes (about once a month) I have to reset the machine, but it comes right back to life, so far so good.

Don't try to force extra time. I did, and had to fall back on my procedure of a low-level format followed by a 63 minute recording on the Toshiba. It all boils down to bits per second and capacity. Takes me back to the old days of VHS.
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