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post #31 of 203
CM-7000 Operators' Manual, Page 7:
"To program a universal remote to operate the CM-7000 digital to analog converter box, use Pioneer cable box codes."
post #32 of 203
Ok then. I see several codes for the Pioneer Digital Cable Boxes,
0023, 0144, 0144a, 0260, 0477, 0533, 0533A, 0877, 1277

Maybe I'll go get one to try.

Thanks !
Cliff
post #33 of 203
I take that back.

The Channel Master rotor
Quote:


The 9537 rotator controller will respond to commands from universal remote controls configured to control most
Pioneer® brand cable converter boxes (HH1 mode) or most Pioneer® brand CD players (HH2 mode)

seems to respond to code 144.

On the other hand both the Accurian and Digital Stream STBs (which also use Pioneer codes?) don't respond to anything native.

It is however somewhat incestuous... the Accurian does respond to the CM remote but not vice versa, and the Digital Stream and Accurian remotes are not compatible but both respond to 0-9 from the Accurian remote so the original rid turns out to be compatible almost by accident.

What seems to be going on is the CM 9537 rotor controller responds to many (all?) Pioneer cable box codes so the chances are good the CM-7000 may do the same. The Digital Steam made boxes must use a narrower subset not included on the replays.

Even if the CM-7000 doesn't respond to any of those codes it should still be easy enough to add the NEC1 rid.
post #34 of 203
If those are all Pioneer codes, the 9537 controller only responds to 0144 (power, 0-9) and 0533 (power only) so not *all* Pioneer codes.

If the CM-7000 uses 0144, and 0144 is onboard SS,2K,3K, then the CM converter box may be a better choice than the RCA for those boxes.

But of course someone needs to try it.
post #35 of 203
"The CM-7000 remote control uses standard remote codes that allow it to be operated by a universal remote." WSJ on-line, 3-18-08
post #36 of 203
Someone needs to tell WSJ there really is no such thing as a *standard* remote code. They are programed to be unique so they don't interfere with each other.

However I suspect the odds are good that the CM-7000 will respond to code 0144, just as the above CM product also designed to be compatible with the most common Pioneer codes for the sake of Universal remotes.

And even if not, it's rather easy to add these particular codes to 4K/5K replays. The big news would be for SS/2K/3K users.
post #37 of 203
As I look at these four digit remote IR codes, I am getting the feeling that the coding is not universal but that each code may be peculiar to the manufacturer publishing it. For example, a Pioneer 9999 would not necessarily correspond with to a Replay 9999. Conversely, a number match might not be required if the identical device could be operated with differing codes. What do you think?
post #38 of 203
STB-T1 has a serial port as does ReplayTV but Tivax says it doesn't do anything yet. Here are the remote control codes used in the STB1 remote. Maybe someone can say whether they correspond to native ReplayTV codes.

Now our remote code is below( NEC remote protocol ):
the Custom code is 007F
#define KEY_NEC_POWER 0xD0
#define KEY_NEC_MUTE 0x50
#define KEY_NEC_1 0x80
#define KEY_NEC_2 0x40
#define KEY_NEC_3 0xC0
#define KEY_NEC_4 0x20
#define KEY_NEC_5 0xA0
#define KEY_NEC_6 0x60
#define KEY_NEC_7 0xE0
#define KEY_NEC_8 0x10
#define KEY_NEC_9 0x90
#define KEY_NEC_0 0x00
#define KEY_NEC_LAST 0xB8
#define KEY_NEC_INFO 0x82
#define KEY_NEC_MENU 0x70
#define KEY_NEC_EXIT 0x38
#define KEY_NEC_PROG_UP 0x48
#define KEY_NEC_PROG_DN 0xC8
#define KEY_NEC_VOL_UP 0x28
#define KEY_NEC_VOL_DN 0xA8
#define KEY_NEC_OK 0x78
#define KEY_NEC_FAV_UP 0x08
#define KEY_NEC_FAV_DN 0xF1
#define KEY_NEC_FAV 0x42
#define KEY_NEC_GUIDE 0x0C
#define KEY_NEC_FREEZE 0x88
#define KEY_NEC_TV_INPUT 0xF2
#define KEY_NEC_TEXT 0xE8
#define KEY_NEC_SUBTITLE 0x98
#define KEY_NEC_AUDIO 0xF8
#define KEY_NEC_AUDIO_LR 0x18
#define KEY_NEC_PAL_NTSC 0xF3
post #39 of 203
On the SUCCESS thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=13722487), users report that the auto-off function on the DTA 800B may be disabled and that code 0566 controls a Replay 4500; code 7911A controls controls a Replay 5080; and code 5392 (maybe also 392 and 533) controls a Replay 3030. This is the WalMart unit.

The government protocol requires the auto-off function and it could be hard to get around if it is not possible to leave the converter on all the time.
post #40 of 203
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Originally Posted by adfree View Post

STB-T1 has a serial port as does ReplayTV

Serial control of the Tivax, that would be something.
post #41 of 203
Thread Starter 
Input Needed
Attn: KenL,

I don't mean to be lamer-esque, but I haven't done any research on the $40 eligible HD converter boxes. I'm hoping you will pimp me the best info you have at this point on this situation for I have about 10 days before I'm out 2 (or 4 if I find them) $40 FCC 'tax refund' cards.

Before you decide to chose this mission know at least two old TV-illiterate people are counting on you.

Do'er won for the Moo'er
Get er done!


Two areas of focus on my mind:
>which boxes are likely or proven to work nicely with RTV5XXXs WITHOUT wirns
>which boxes are likely or proven to work nicely with RTV5XXXs WITH wirns
post #42 of 203
SUCCESS with a Replay TV 5040 controlled by an RCA DTA-800 using code 7911 purchased 5-19-08 at Walmart with downloaded programing for Seattle DirectTV on input 1 with RCA cables. The stock IR blaster had 2 emitters in series but I removed one and shorted the leads Xmas light fashion. The emitter is half over the converter's IR receptor and the remote works too. A Radio Shack infrared LED cabled to a mini-jack plugged into the back of the ReplayTV also works as a blaster (276-0143). I deleted about 1000 channels to expedite programing (I didn't know they had that stuff on TV).
post #43 of 203
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Originally Posted by icecow View Post

...Do'er won for the Moo'er
Get er done!


Two areas of focus on my mind:
>which boxes are likely or proven to work nicely with RTV5XXXs WITHOUT wirns
>which boxes are likely or proven to work nicely with RTV5XXXs WITH wirns

Without loading a blaster code the options seem to be limited to the less than stellar RCA or perhaps the Channel Master unit, or down the road maybe the Sling DTVPal due out this summer. However I'd simply load the blaster rid to any 4K/5K. You don't absolutely have to run WiRNS after but it almost always helps in most cases.


After all that has happened (and much has happened) I still prefer the Zenith DTT900 CECB by far over anything else I've sampled. I've played around with everything I could easily get my hands on.

That said, it's not necessarily as simple as running out and getting any Zenith DTT900 you see. What you need is one manufactured April 08 or later since they fixed a rather serious audio bug apparently starting with those manufactured after sometime in March 08.

What this means is going to a big busy Circuit City and digging though all the stock in search of boxes with this on the (center) barcode sticker on the exterior cardboard box. The earlier defect is a pretty serious audio chirping that may hasten deafness when tuned to certain stations. The problem is reported to be pretty harsh with the LA channels, so try to get the April 08 manufactured Zenith to hopefully avoid the problem. A newer DTT901 should become available next month to replace the DTT900 but it is something of an unknown at this point. Audio problem is rumored to be fixed along with some other changes that may prove good or bad, we will just have to see on that one. I'd personally rather reserve the option of an April 08 DTT900 in case other differences (good or bad) prove significant with the entirely reworked DTT901.

If you decide you want the current Zenith DTT900 and you can't find any with the new date (before your coupons expire) you can purchase older ones and Zenith *should* replace them with corrected units under warranty for no cost. Reportedly just takes a couple of weeks. To do so call the number on the box. This may be the path I end up taking since I haven't yet secured April 08 units.

BTW to tell if you have a *good* unit or not, crack it open and you should see 0809 (or higher) as the third line on the LGDT1111D chip in the center of the mainboard. This all may seem a little far fetched but this Zenith box is really worth it in my opinion... however you end up using it. I really wouldn't keep one with the audio problem since it rather bugs me personally. Just wanted to Do'er won for the Moo'er and get er done. That's all.

Best of luck and do keep us updated as to the progress of your exploits in this vital matter!
post #44 of 203
Thread Starter 
Excellent. Though it sounds safer to buy the bad box and call in on the warranty. If I get the holy grail dated model they may say 'no upgrade for you. Yours doesn't have the audio problem.'
post #45 of 203
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Originally Posted by KenL View Post

On the other hand both the Accurian and Digital Stream STBs (which also use Pioneer codes?) don't respond to anything native.

It is however somewhat incestuous... the Accurian does respond to the CM remote but not vice versa, and the Digital Stream and Accurian remotes are not compatible but both respond to 0-9 from the Accurian remote so the original rid turns out to be compatible almost by accident.

I have an older Accurian STB that outputs HDTV. Natively my Replay 5040 could not control it but there is a thread with a link to an ISO (with a poster named FlipFlop being the major contributor) that you can burn and run on a home network. The ReplayTV connects to the computer that booted from the ISO and downloads additional non-native IR code sets. I believe the Accurian box I have uses code 2000 (maybe it was 2003, 2004, etc) so it's possible the CECB Accurian could utilize these same codes.
post #46 of 203
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Originally Posted by KenL View Post

Without loading a blaster code the options seem to be limited to the less than stellar RCA or perhaps the Channel Master unit, or down the road maybe the Sling DTVPal due out this summer. However I'd simply load the blaster rid to any 4K/5K. You don't absolutely have to run WiRNS after but it almost always helps in most cases.

Sorry for the newbie question, but why do you consider the RCA less than stellar? The audio bug, or something else?

I'm trying to figure out which CECB to hook up to my 5K. I'm fairly confident in my ability to load new remote codes but I haven't been able to find much useful information as to which CECBs (besides the DTA800) work with either the stock Replay remote codes or with custom codes.
post #47 of 203
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Originally Posted by satpro View Post

I just determined that the rca dta800 box can be controled by using the same remote code as a rca brand directv satellite receiver this is also the same as the drd420. Any one with a replaytv could set up their replay to tune to the main channel and use the directv rca code.

I am even able to tune sub channels programmed in a manual record. For instance, if I want the replay to tune the dta800 to 56-2 I set it to tune channel 0562 or if I want replay to tune to channel 9-2 I set it to tune 0092, the dta800 inserts the dash itself and tunes to the right channel.

I suspect tuning sub-channels will be a big plus for a lot of ReplayTV owners. The lack of ability to do this with either my Samsung or Accurian STB's from a couple years ago has proven to be very frustrating. Due to your findings, I'll be picking up the RCA DTA800 with my coupons.
post #48 of 203
So, do any of these new OTA boxes put out anamorphic 16:9 on an S-Video port?
post #49 of 203
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Snyder81 View Post

I have an older Accurian STB that outputs HDTV. Natively my Replay 5040 could not control it but there is a thread with a link to an ISO (with a poster named FlipFlop being the major contributor) that you can burn and run on a home network. The ReplayTV connects to the computer that booted from the ISO and downloads additional non-native IR code sets. I believe the Accurian box I have uses code 2000 (maybe it was 2003, 2004, etc) so it's possible the CECB Accurian could utilize these same codes.


I remember references to that 2005 accurian box. Can anyone tell use if that box is tried and proven, and if the $40 offs work on em?
post #50 of 203
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Originally Posted by icecow View Post

...it sounds safer to buy the bad box and call in on the warranty. If I get the holy grail dated model they may say 'no upgrade for you. Yours doesn't have the audio problem.'

Nope. Scratch the idea of buying the bad box at all.

At this point it sounds like they are still *replacing* with the same defect. Someone just went through the process twice and reported getting a similar bad box back twice. So the only solution would seem to be getting your hands on the April 08 box yourself (in person) before burning coupon(s).
post #51 of 203
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Originally Posted by CodeOptimist View Post

Sorry for the newbie question, but why do you consider the RCA less than stellar? The audio bug, or something else?

Yep. The audio freeze bug in this one makes it risky to use unatteneded with a replay. It crashes and goes silent until you restart.

And it doesn't have anamorphic output and the PQ is blah. However if you are set on the RCA get the newer version (800B1?) (with pass-through) on the odd chance the the audio crash bug got fixed.
post #52 of 203
As far as my research into coupon boxes revealed, NONE of them output anamorphic 16:9 video. If anyone finds out otherwise, please let us know.
post #53 of 203
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Originally Posted by BaysideBas View Post

As far as my research into coupon boxes revealed, NONE of them output anamorphic 16:9 video. If anyone finds out otherwise, please let us know.

I take it you didn't get very far (yet)?

My *exhaustive* research and bench testing has so far revealed only one measly box without anamorphic 16:9 output. Granted I didn't try any of the Funai (maggotbox) variants. The numerous LG based boxes all seem to (even the one butchered by Digital Stream) as well as the Channel Master.

Which others have you verified don't?
post #54 of 203
Ouch, my ankles hurt. My research was done on published specs of the boxes. None of which provided the information sought.

Thanks for the heads up. Glad to have made your day.
post #55 of 203
Thread Starter 
The circuit city by my house has the zenths manufactured in April. They are $60 before the $40 off things. I guess I'll get 2 of those and 2 more if I find the other ones.

I tried to figure out a way to hook you (KenL) up. It seems shipping and hassel would kill any savings. Let me know if you can think of something.
post #56 of 203
My local Circuit City also has the April 08 Zeniths, all with 84E01083 on the barcode sticker. Is this a "good" model? (I noticed that the scan KenL posted was of a sticker that had code 1087, not 1083)
Just wanted to be sure before I burn my coupon
post #57 of 203
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Originally Posted by icecow View Post

...I tried to figure out a way to hook you (KenL) up. It seems shipping and hassel would kill any savings. Let me know if you can think of something.

Thanks. I was able to get hooked up myself... only 10 miles out of the way from where I was going.

Get April boxes with the coupons and don't mess with the bad ones. For ReplayTV or otherwise this is the best CECB (so far) by a pretty good margin.
post #58 of 203
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Originally Posted by CodeOptimist View Post

My local Circuit City also has the April 08 Zeniths, all with 84E01083 on the barcode sticker. Is this a "good" model? (I noticed that the scan KenL posted was of a sticker that had code 1087, not 1083)
Just wanted to be sure before I burn my coupon

Should be good to go.

I took a chance on 0206 and it was all good. So it seems apparently most/all April boxes have fixed audio. May have started in March but at this point only those very familiar with the problem would be best qualified to (quickly) give the all clear for an unknown individual box.

Go for the April build if available and I have to say I'm really happy with this box. And if you need the blaster rid it's available over at jp1.
post #59 of 203
Hi, I am new to the forum and have been reading up on CECB that works with ReplayTV. I have a model 5060. Most posts I've read indicates that the RCA DTA800B has been proven to work with ReplayTV's IR Blaster to control channel changing. However, Walmart no longer carries them. They only carry Magnavox. FreeDTVShop.com sells the RCA DTA800B for $64.99 + $9.95 shipping. Circuit City online (and I assume the stores) sells the Zenith ZEN DTT900 for $59.99. KenL, are you confirming that the Zenith will work with ReplayTV's IR Blaster (similar to the RCA)? I think you have on one of your posts and you really prefer the Zenith to any other CECB? It would be cheaper than the RCA purchased online.
post #60 of 203
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Originally Posted by bubbadubba View Post

...KenL, are you confirming that the Zenith will work with ReplayTV's IR Blaster (similar to the RCA)? I think you have on one of your posts and you really prefer the Zenith to any other CECB?

Works perfect.

The RCA DTA800B is more of a "last resort" choice for Showstoppers and 2K/3K replays since it is difficult to import new blaster codes into those replays. The DTA800B uses an old DirecTV code already present in all replays. The Channel Master CECB may be a better current choice for those folks but I haven't tried it.

For a 5060 you need to import the newer LG blaster code to control the Zenith box. The code is available and easy to load. In fact if this gets much bigger we may have Henry roll and upload a new linux boot CD with more current network drivers and all the latest rid files to make it all that much easier.

The Zenith DTT900 works great with the 4K/5K replays using said imported blaster code. Just make sure to get one manufactured in April 08 to avoid an ugly audio bug plaguing earlier Zenith/Insignia CECBs.
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